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Message regarding Capricorn from 0xDeadbeef
Hi, this is a very nice tool! However I noticed that it doesn't generate a summary for the categorization templates. Is this considered a good idea? (Instead of the generic "modify using Capricon", it could be "+R with possibilities, R printworthy, R to subtopic with Capricorn") Thanks. 0x Deadbeef 17:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the idea . The edit summary isn't set up that way for a few reasons. First, the edit summary has a character limit, so in cases where a lot of categories get changed then information would be lost and the edit summary an incomplete picture of what got changed which is not ideal. Second, what got changed will always be available in the edit diff, and since redirect categories are pretty simple changes, the diffs aren't hard to read. Second, Third, for the majority of editors, knowing that categories were changed using a semi-automated script is enough info (some don't even know what redirect categories are, so the RCAT link is helpful); if power editors want to know exactly what got changed they can look at the diff. Fourth, for editors who do want that information, a consistent edit summary makes the diff easier to find while skimming edit histories or contribution histories; you can ctrl+f for the summary or just skim for the text since it won't vary between pages. All together, I think a simple edit summary makes edit histories more consistent and useful for a wide range of editors while still highlighting which diffs to look at if more information is needed. It's a design choice on my end, but I think it strikes the right balance among the needs of various kinds of editors. — Wug·a·po·des​ 20:07, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comprehensive response. 0x Deadbeef 10:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

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19:48, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Personal opinions vs. formal standards of professional ethics
Wugapodes, You left a comment on my Talk page suggesting that my academic research and years of academic publishing on professional ethics and healthcare ethics vs. militarism is all just "personal opinions". Your comment seems to be just a layperson's perspective on the subject area of professional ethics, military ethics and healthcare ethics. There are entire research literatures about these things, and Robert Jay Lifton's seminal book The Nazi Doctors is a good place to start. Was his research and interviews with those medical professionals just personal opinion too?

This concerns your deletion of 5 entire sections of the history of the Code of Ethics for the Canadian Psychological Association (CPA). They were already well-documented with a citation for almost every sentence, but I will try to address your specific concerns when replacing that content. Rather than simply deleting large amounts of other people's work, it would be helpful and constructive if you could correct it instead, or let the contributor know that something needs adjustment. Simply erasing 5 entire sections of history compromises the integrity of Wikipedia.

I replied back to your comment on my own Talk page, but thought it should also be noted on your Talk page that you appear to be making changes and major deletions based on your own personal opinions, in subject areas where you don't seem to have expertise or professional experience. PsycProf (talk) 21:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I would encourage you to read the policies I linked in the edit summaries and lengthy talk page explanation summarizing them. Consider that, despite your (alleged) expertise in medical ethics, you might not be an expert on Wikipedia's policies and reconsider your approach. Boasting about your credentials is unlikely to get you very far; you'll notice I don't go and bring up my my degrees or academic research in content discussions, and it's because no one here really cares. If you want to write whatever you want, post it on your own website or get your original research on medical ethics through peer review at an actual journal, but content on Wikipedia must comply with our policies. It's painfully obvious that you're here to push a particular point of view, and that needs to stop immediately or you may be blocked from editing. — Wug·a·po·des​ 23:13, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Wugaopodes, You seem to be missing the point, and threatening to block people who present reliable citations that do not agree with your point of view. Instead of making threats, sarcasm and deleting huge blocks of articles, why don't you correct issues to be helpful?
 * I was not "pushing a particular point of view" about CPA, anymore than the Senate Intelligence Committee was in their investigation of APA's similar secret policies. (Which is documented in detail on the APA page, under "Warfare and the Use of Torture" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychological_Association#Warfare_and_the_use_of_torture.) Or anymore than Robert Jay Lifton was, in his book on how medical doctors could do research for the Nazi government. You didn't respond to that. PsycProf (talk) 11:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As I said on the article talk page, I did correct the issues, and that correction was to remove them per the policies and guidelines cited. I didn't originally respond to your points about things-that-aren't-the-CPA because they seemed unserious. The APA is not the CPA; the third German Reich is not the CPA; the US Senate is not the CPA. In an encyclopedia article about the CPA, there's really no need to cover what people have said about organizations that aren't the CPA. You'll notice that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia while the US Senate report and the Lifton book are not encyclopedias. Even if you are pushing a point of view in the same way or to the same degree as a report or a book, that is still inappropriate for this genre of writing. If you wish to publish original scholarship, synthesize primary sources, or persuade others that your hypothesis is correct, Wikipedia is not the place to do that because that's not what an encyclopedia is for. Thirdly, the APA article covers their contribution to the US torture infrastructure because it was a topic covered in multiple, independent, reliable sources such as The New York Times and Washington Post. We know it is a significant aspect of the organization because it is a topic covered by dozens if not hundreds of different organizations and led to well documented responses by the organization which also garnered outside attention. The CPA section you would like to include is sourced almost entirely to letters of unknown custodial history (some digitized using what seems to be a phone camera) posted to a partisan website, a position paper published in a now-defunct periodical with unclear editorial oversight, and a non-academic article from the early 90s. These are vastly different qualities of sourcing, and I don't think I need to seriously explain those differences. — Wug·a·po·des​ 23:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2022 September newsletter
The fourth round of the WikiCup has now finished. 383 points were required to reach the final, and the new round has got off to a flying start with all finalists already scoring. In round 4, Bloom6132 with 939 points was the highest points-scorer, with a combination of DYKs and In the news items, followed by BennyOnTheLoose, Sammi Brie and Lee Vilenski. The points of all contestants are swept away as we start afresh for the final round.

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Closing two RMs
CHello. Hope you're doing well. Considering that you closed the RM on Charles III with a detailed closure response, I was wondering if you could do the same for Death of Elizabeth II and the article on his wife Camilla. The consensus for the first one appears to point to "Death and state funeral of Elizabeth II" as the acceptable name, similar to Death and state funeral of George VI. The suitable title suggested for Camilla's article appears to be "Queen Camilla" followed closely by "Camilla, Queen Consort", though the first one is based on WP:NCROY and is consistent with the articles on other queen consorts (Queen Letizia of Spain, etc.; also, the majority of people appear to agree that the name of a country cannot be added in Camilla's case as she's queen in 14 countries). I would be glad if you could take a look at the discussions and perhaps maybe close them. That would allow us to move the categories accordingly and have the templates corrected. Regards. Keivan.f Talk 00:58, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Questions about closing the Charles III RM early
I am confused on how a fully reasoned closure, where one side of the argument is declared as compelling and another side not so, like what you wrote for Charles III, would be imposed early without waiting a full seven days. I'd normally expect some sort of snow-justification for such an early close, but given the structure of the close reasoning, this close did not come off as snowing. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:57, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I also had some questions; thank you Mellohi for opening this. I was wondering about the early closure, but I was also wondering about three aspects of your assessment of consensus:
 * You said ~130 opposed, ~85 supported, and about ~240 participated. What was the opinion of the ~25 that aren't accounted for?
 * Of the ~130 opposed, by my count around 25 opposed solely on the basis of the proposed disambiguation - that is was inaccurate. However, they didn't oppose disambiguation in general. How did you factor this into your assessment of consensus?
 * How did you assess the !votes that opposed solely on the basis of consistency (or on the basis of consistency and the basis that the proposed disambiguation was inaccurate)? As far as I know, consistency is not a policy-based argument to reject disambiguation, and some of those votes were factually wrong - for example, one editor claimed It's consistent with several hundred years of predecessors, which is incorrect as can be seen at List of British monarchs.
 * BilledMammal (talk) 01:10, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (1) The remainder were people who commented without supporting or opposing with a number explicitly labeling themselves as neutral or abstaining. These didn't have much of a pattern in their leaning. (2) They were largely insignificant in my reading. Where to move the page is mooted if there's no consensus to move it in the first place. (3) Firstly, consistency isn't unrelated to the determination of a primary topic. Part of determining a primary topic is figuring out what and where readers expect an article to be, and if we have a particular or apparent pattern, then that speaks to what readers would expect. It's not the strongest primary topic argument, which is why they were not weighed heavily, but they are not to be thrown out in their entirety either. Secondly, for the handful of oppose comments which can be nitpicked, they were balanced by the bad support votes you don't bring up. Supporters made arguments like "There are 20 other Wikipedia pages for people named Charles III" or "There have been many rulers throughout history named Charles III" which isn't how we determine primary topics at all. Others make arguments like "to combat recentism and potential Anglophone bias" or "The UK is not the centre of the world" which are at best useless for determining primary topic (if anything, they suggest there is a primary topic and we just don't like it) and at worst they are an attempt to WP:RGW. The example you bring up isn't even particularly wrong; based on the link you gave me every British monarch since George III has omitted the "of {country}" in the title which spans over 260 years of predecessors. — Wug·a·po·des​ 02:54, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:SNOW is not a policy, but WP:NOTBURO is. While we usually keep requested moves open for 7 days, the length is to ensure that adequate participation is gathered so that we don't close a discussion based on one or two comments on a low participation page. At over 200 comments in two days, the discussion was already one of the most well attended discussions of all time. The only reasons to keep it open longer would be bureaucracy for its own sake or to stall the inevitable. — Wug·a·po·des​ 02:23, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't the participation level simply be an indication of the widespread interest in the topic? I don't see any basis to infer that it is an exceptionally significant sample of the vast population of interested editors. A closure needs to be based on a highly probable estimate of the population consensus, not just on sheer numbers. So, absent near-unanimity, the seven day span would seem to be for valid sampling not just number of replies.<b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b> talk 02:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Discussions are not a sampling process and our processes are not restricted to core contributors only. The population is everyone, and any statistician will tell you that n>200 will result in a reasonably robust sample even if that is what you think we're trying to do with discussions. — Wug·a·po·des​ 02:59, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Depends on the population size and variance of the statistic being estimated. You may believe that it is low variance, thereby justifying a small sample size relative to the population. However I would disagree about "not a sampling process" - otherwise, our articles would be unstable (not in the positive sense of continuously improving) depending on who happened to be participating at the time of any poll and thereafter.<b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b> talk 08:23, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Move review for Charles III
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Consensus, Policy, and Charles III
User:Red-tailed hawk, the nominator for the Charles III → Charles III of the United Kingdom/Charles III (disambiguation) → Charles III moves said this at the very beginning of the discussion:
 * I will also note that [i]n article title discussions, in the event of a lack of consensus the applicable policy preserves the most recent prior stable title, which would return the title of the dab page to Charles III.

Do you think this policy be clarified? Obviously it leaves everyone in a very awkward position if followed, as moving Charles III back to Charles, Prince of Wales would be very confusing. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[ᴛ] 04:05, 11 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The more specific applicable policy (WP:TITLECHANGES) notes that if an article title has been stable for a long time, and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed. Consensus among editors determines if there does exist a good reason to change the title. There's obviously good reason to not label him as the Prince of Wales when he's the king, and there was obviously consensus among editors that there was good reason to change the name of that individual's article. The point I was trying to make is that the current policy, when applied to the longstanding dab page, would command that we move the dab page back in the absence of consensus on whether or not it should have been moved in the first place. Any reasonable person who reads through the RM would know that reverting to "Charles, Prince of Wales" was something that nobody finds as appropriate, so the closer would have been able to default it to something like "Charles, King of the United Kingdom" or "King Charles of the United Kingdom". We have WP:IAR for a reason. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:45, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Red-tailed hawk is generally correct here. I would add: the title of the DAB page doesn't exist in a vacuum, and "winning on a technicality" rarely leads to the ideal outcome. Even if I agreed that there was no consensus on the primary topic, there wasn't a consensus on what the disambiguator should be, even among those who wanted one. As Red-tailed hawk points out, we cannot move Charles Windsor back to the "Prince of Wales" title because it's incorrect. If we perfunctorily move the DAB page back without taking into account the wider context, I, as closer, would need to pick a title. To do that, not only would I need to ignore a majority of editors, I'd then need to pick which faction of the minority gets to name the article. If we are trying to pick a title with the least support among editors, that would be a good process, but we are not. Avoiding situations where rigid application of rules would result in a worse outcome is the exact time to prefer common sense over bureaucracy. — Wug·a·po·des​ 03:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

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Q8/9
at SFR's RfA are excellent; thank you for asking them. Best, KevinL ( aka L235 · t · c) 02:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks . My process is "what tool is the candidate interested in that I've I gotten myself into trouble for using? How would they have handled that situation?" I'm mostly interested in how candidates will think through the harder problems admins will face. Protecting a high school article getting vandalism from a rival school is a no brainer, but how do we weigh openness against limiting disruption? What tools are available and why might one be better than another? What does it mean to edit through full protection as an admin? I don't expect candidates to have perfect answers---there are so many tools it's not reasonable to expect someone to know them all site-unseen. My goal's to just get a sketch of the candidate's thinking so that I can evaluate whether I'd trust their abilities to make these decisions for real. Plus, if we think of RfA as an "open book test", then crafting questions like this helps the candidate develop higher-order thinking and problem solving using policies by making them work through some simplified problems. The Washington Post had a good perspective article on that last point in 2020 when a lot of teachers were transitioning to online, remote learning. — Wug·a·po·des​ 06:59, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * +1 to the questions, regardless of which column you end up in. Vanamonde (Talk) 08:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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How do I edit --COM221 (talk) 17:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Our introduction to editing is the best place to learn about editing. — Wug·a·po·des​ 19:38, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery 22:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter #22


Welcome to the twenty-second newsletter from the Growth team!

Newcomers tasks reach the 500,000 edits milestone — more data publicly available
As of the last week of June 2022, the newcomers of the world have completed over 500,000 newcomer tasks. In other words, newcomers have made over half a million Wikipedia edits via Growth’s “Suggested Edits” module.
 * About 30% of those edits were completed on mobile devices.
 * Usage continues to increase; in June 2022 almost 50,000 newcomer tasks were completed.

We have added some new data to Grafana. You can now check the number of edits and reverts by task types, or the number of questions asked to mentors. You can filter the data by wiki.

If you have any questions, or there is more data you want access to, please let us know.

Ongoing projects and explorations


We are continuing our work on our new project, Positive Reinforcement. User testing of initial Positive Reinforcement designs was just completed. Interviews were conducted in Arabic, English, and Spanish. The outcome has been published on the Positive Reinforcement page. We are now utilizing user testing feedback along with prior community feedback to iterate and improve designs.

We are exploring the idea of a Copy Edit structured task. We have tested copy edits in Wikipedia articles for arwiki, bnwiki, cswiki, eswiki (Growth pilot-wikis) and enwiki with two different methods: LanguageTool and Hunspell. We will share more details here and on the associated Copy Edit page once the evaluation is complete.

Add an image was utilized at GLAM events in Argentina, Mexico, and Chile. For an overview of what was learned from these events, read: #1Pic1Article I: how Latin American heritage experts added images to Wikipedia (in English).

Experiments analysis
Add a Link Experiment Analysis has been published. The most important points are:
 * Newcomers who get the Add a Link structured task are more likely to be activated (i.e. make a constructive first article edit).
 * They are also more likely to be retained (i.e. come back and make another constructive article edit on a different day).
 * The feature also increases edit volume (i.e. the number of constructive edits made across the first couple weeks), while at the same time improving edit quality (i.e. the likelihood that the newcomer's edits aren't reverted).

Newcomer task edit type analysis has been published.
 * Communities had expressed concern that newcomers whose initial edits were structured tasks wouldn’t go on to learn how to complete more difficult tasks. The Growth team data scientist conducted a Newcomer task edit type analysis to see if this was indeed the case.
 * Results from analysis indicate that this likely isn’t a significant concern. More than 70% of users who start with the easy task "Add a link" also make another task type. Read the full analysis and methodology here.

News for mentors
A new system for the mentors list

The configuration of the mentors list will change over the next weeks. In the future, mentors will sign up, edit their mentor description and quit using Special:MentorDashboard. This new system will make the development of new features for mentors much easier.

At the moment, the mentor list is a simple page anyone can edit, unless it’s protected. With the new page, mentors will be able to edit only their own description, while administrators will be able to edit the entire mentors' list if needed.

The deployment will happen first at the pilot wikis, then at all wikis. Existing lists of mentors will be automatically converted, no action will be needed from the mentors. 

Mentors will be informed about the next steps soon, by a message posted on the talk page of existing Mentor lists.

Learn more about this new structured page on mediawiki.org.

A tip for mentors

Did you know that mentors can filter their mentees' changes at Special:MentorDashboard (and star the ones that require attention)? This feature helps to keep an eye on newcomers' edits, helping mentors to fix minor details, and encourage them if necessary.

And did you know that mentors have special filters to highlight their mentees' edits at Special:RecentChanges? Look for the following filters in RecentChanges:,.

Other improvements

Some improvements will be made to the mentor dashboard in the coming weeks:


 * While we now offer some options for mentors to take a break, the option to quit mentoring was not easy to find. This will be improved.
 * Mentors at wikis using FlaggedRevisions will have a way to discover their mentees' pending edits.
 * Dashboard discovery for new mentors will be improved.

Recent changes and fixed bugs

 * We moved to a new Image Suggestions API. This new API will allow us to deploy Add an Image to more wikis.
 * Starting September 19, a few more wikis now offer Add an image to newcomers. These wikis are, , , ,.
 * Add an image has been disabled for a few days due to technical issue. "Add an image" added a blank line instead of an image. This has been fixed.
 * In order to know if Special:EditGrowthConfig is used by communities, we now instrument page loads and saves of configuration.

Have a question? A suggestion?
Please let us know! You can also read our FAQ page.

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Question from InsertGenuineName (13:55, 20 September 2022)
How do I, for example: add images, add sections and etc on Wikipedia? Is there a tutorial on YouTube or any site? --InsertGenuineName (talk) 13:55, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! We have a tutorial on editing which walks you through the basics. The Irish Wikimedia community also has a video tutorial on youtube which you might prefer. Let me know if you have any more questions, and happy editing! — Wug·a·po·des​ 23:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

September music
Thank you for your eloquent support post for the SFR RfA, which would have convinced me if I hadn't arrived at the same result when looking myself (and, yes, opposing the opposes without saying so)! - Chamber music pictured today: Spannungen (tensions) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I bet the plant resonates so nicely---I used to be in a chamber choir as kid so I've always appreciated the sounds. I'm glad you appreciated my support, I'd been going back and forth for days. For the problems, I think it's good that we had a close RfA that didn't hinge on something salacious. It made me think hard about what RfA's about and how much benefit-of-the-doubt I'm willing to extend; it's good that we get to rethink that from time to time. Also nice to see a pass below 90%, hopefully it also inspires more candidates who are ripe for promotion but maybe haven't checked enough boxes to get 98% support. — Wug·a·po·des​ 23:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and agree. It would be nice if RfA could be changed to something a candidate of good will doesn't say afterwards - as this one did - he wouldn't do it again. I wonder if we could just let someone coming in above 70% become an admin on probation for half a year, without crat chat. I felt that the RfA was a bit of a battle field between parties, rather than evaluation of the candidate, continued in the crat chat talk, and don't know what could be done about that. Back to article writing ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:03, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
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