User talk:Wwoods/Archive 2009

Coords question
Seeing this edit, I was confused, as latitude as given in infobox and Geography seem to vary by four seconds; can you tell me which one you intended? Nyttend (talk) 02:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * For the Geography section, I followed the GNIS source, though rounding off the decimal degrees. For the infobox, I used the map to pick a better location, and rounded off the seconds. Thinking about it, I suppose the Geography sentence should say something like, "According to the U.S. Geological Survey, ..."
 * —WWoods (talk) 02:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Alaska
Thanks for cleaning up the Alaska NRHP lists; I thought I'd checked the tables before I placed them, but apparently not. Nyttend (talk) 20:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm just picking them up when they show on Category:Coord template needing repair.
 * If you set your Preferences (Misc.) to show hidden categories, it'll show if a page is in "Hidden category: Coord template needing repair" when you preview it.
 * —WWoods (talk) 01:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Surrender of Japan
I feel like taking another shot at getting Surrender of Japan up to FA status. Does that sound like something you'd be interested in doing? Raul654 (talk) 17:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Help -- coordinate corrections
I am working with the original NR nomination files for properties in Massachusetts and found that many UTM coordinates (in the NAD27 datum) have been incorrectly transferred to NAD83. As a result, many Wikipedia NR notations in Google Earth are substantially off. I am new to Wikipedia editing. How can I contribute? Who should I contact? RDescartes61 (talk) 02:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. By "NR" I meant National Register of Historic Places. I have revised coordinates only for Massachusetts properties, and without the nomination files themselves, I would be unable to contribute to efforts in other states. RDescartes61 (talk) 02:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * When there's a street address or something, you can look up the coordinates directly.
 * —WWoods (talk) 07:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Wwoods. I notice your corrections to various new NRHP tables, which come in with NRIS coordinates that sometimes seem to show 60 seconds when 1 minute 0 seconds would seem to be more appropriate.  I don't know what is going on with those.  I am not entirely sure that your corrections are themselves correct, maybe there is some other interpretation.  But, I am curious, how do you find these so easily / quickly?  Are you using some tool.  And, there are lots more coordinatess coming in, all via use of Elkman's tools.  Perhaps Elkman should be consulted to change something in his programming to fix them before they come in.  doncram (talk) 00:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Instances of coord which are broken in several ways, e.g. having seconds outside the range of 0<=s<60, show up in Category:Coord template needing repair. I'm chipping away at them. The NHRP lists are easy, because they're almost entirely cases where some algorithm converted from decimal degrees to d/m/s, rounding off the seconds without rolling over 60" to 1'0".
 * Incidently, you can set your preferences, in "My Preferences > Misc", to show hidden categories. Then pages with this problem are flagged with "Hidden category: Coord template needing repair" at the top.
 * —WWoods (talk) 01:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah. I see that are not too terribly many articles, 259 currently, in that category with coordinates problems, and that the NRHP ones are a significant chunk.  I notice several of the new county list-articles for NRHPs in Iowa and elsewhere there now.  I'm not sure, but i think about 1/3 or so of the U.S.'s 80,000 NRHP sites have so far been covered in these list-tables, cumulatively over the last 18 months or so.  The rest are likely to be covered over the next few months.  This could be a lot of individual fixes to implement one by one.  To inform you a bit more, for every instance where there is a coordinates problem like this in one of the NRHP list-articles, there's a corresponding sleeper problem:  for the individual NRHP site with the coord problem, when its separate article is created, a NRHP editor will add an infobox with the same problem, from the same fundamental National Register Information System source, via another one of Elkman's tools.  I expect it would be possible to fix all the problems centrally in his database system, and obviate thousands of corrective edits. doncram (talk) 22:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Coords in Somerset
Hi, from the look of my watchlist you seem to be doing a really good job on fixing the coords etc on some of the articles in Somerset & I wondered if you would be willing to take a look at Category:Somerset articles missing geocoordinate data?&mdash; Rod talk 22:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Surrender of Japan
FYI - I went and nominated the Surrender of Japan article on the FAC. Can you provide a source for this quote: "It should be clearly made known to Russia that she owes her victory over Germany to Japan, since we remained neutral, and that it would be to the advantage of the Soviets to help Japan maintain her international position, since they have the United States as an enemy in the future". Google books turned up a hit for 'The Rising Sun' by John Toland, but not a page number. Raul654 (talk) 08:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I haven't read Toland, so I probably got it from Frank. The catalog for my local library says they have a copy of The Rising Sun, so I can look for it there.
 * —WWoods (talk) 16:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, what source did you use to write the section describing the coup? It contains details that are definitely not found in Frank. Raul654 (talk) 00:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't write that, though I've edited it. Checking the history, it was added in 2006 by SGCommand.
 * —WWoods (talk) 00:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

What do you think about the article now? Raul654 (talk) 06:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks pretty good to me; I've just made a few minor edits — like why Shigemitsu is signing the surrender, not Togo.
 * FAC /Surrender of Japan is quiet; anyone to ask to review it? Maybe post something on WP:MILHIST?
 * —WWoods (talk) 22:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I know it's quiet ;)
 * Milhist is aware. But for odd reasons, few people reviewing it. And the few that do all seem to find something wrong, but never support it once their issues are addressed. It's very odd... Raul654 (talk) 00:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Hingham's Main Street
You're probably correct about Mrs. Roosevelt's observation. However, in working with a local photographer to supply these photos for the Hingham main page, as well as the Old Ship Church page -- as well as other photos on the Samuel Lincoln page, the Benjamin LIncoln page, the Plymouth County page, the Brockton page, the Massachusetts history page and other local pages -- it takes awhile to get around to photographing everything. Especially when the (gifted) photographer is shooting for nothing and is working around another job. MarmadukePercy (talk) 06:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Absurd coords
I've just found (before I placed it, so you'll not have to fix it) a National Register site in Utah that's listed at. I don't know about you, but I find this pretty impressive: I never imagined that there was a site about two billion degrees north of the Equator :-) I've listed it, using the standard coord template, at the usual NRHP errors page.  My question to you: is there any problem to having such a coord template on the other page?  I know it's not a problem for that page, but will its placement in the bad-coords category impede those of you who fix broken coords?  Please un-template the coords if this is a problem.  And hopefully you find this absurdity rather funny :-)  Nyttend (talk) 18:25, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it does make WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues show up in Category:Coord template needing repair. And now this page, too! Not a big deal, but I guess I'll nowiki it sooner or later. I've seen a few of those before in the NRHP lists; what causes their database to barf up numbers like that?
 * —WWoods (talk) 20:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Many of them, such as the Grand County one that you just fixed (sorry; I thought I'd fixed all the |60 bits when the tables were all still in Notepad on my computer) I'm assuming are the effect of rounding errors; perhaps they put more detailed coords into the database only to have it round to the nearest integer? Some errors that you might not pick up on, such as various sites on the NRHP errors page that are listed in the middle of the ocean, are likely typos, while ones that appear on the Equator in Ecuador are likely the result of someone forgetting to enter data for the latitude.  As for this one, I can't imagine how possibly this could happen; it's a rather implausible typo :-)  Nyttend (talk) 04:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Breaking coordinate fixes
At Isefjord, Lammefjord and Hornsherred, you have been "fixing" coordinates by What's up with that? –Henning Makholm (talk) 23:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * adding "format=dms" without actually converting the decimal-degrees values I added to the original template
 * adding an extra zero to the scale, such that the the subject of the articles becomes uselessly small when one clicks through to Google Maps.


 * Adding 'format=dms' automatically makes decimal-degree coordinates display as DMS:
 * -> 55.77°N, 11.5°W
 * I didn't add a zero, I just changed the '|'s to '_'s between parameters; see.
 * —WWoods (talk) 23:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * (1) I didn't know that. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 * (2) The edit history agrees with you; all of the zeroes were in my original edit. I'm at a loss as to how that could have happened; the scale seemed to be alright when I checked from the previev.
 * My apologies. I think I will just crawl into bed now and hide from the world. :-) –Henning Makholm (talk) 00:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Checking, in reading, Geohack ignored all the " " parameters and went with its default scale — 1:300000. You probably made a typo the first time, which you then copied to the others. You didn't catch it because it had no effect on the result!
 * Coord is somewhat confusing;  and   are , while  ,  ,  , etc. are
 * —WWoods (talk) 00:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hm. It doesn't help that I'm used to underscore binding much tighter than colon (as in Mediawiki's namespaced URLs, for example), so I failed to make sense of the examples in the coord documentation. –Henning Makholm (talk) 21:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Category:Biography articles without listas parameter
For almost 17 months after you created this category the problem that it indicated seemed to have been ignored. Since December 2008 it has started to be addressed. It would be extremely helpful to those of us who are addressing the problem if User pages could somehow be excluded from the category. While some of these pages are using the project banner inappropriately but are not really causing any harm, many of these pages are scripts of some sort and have a legitimate need for the project banner.

Is there anyway you could excluded user pages from this category?

Thank you.
 * JimCubb (talk) 17:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Not that I know of. I'd sure like to be able to do the same thing to Category:Coord template needing repair. ... Yikes, 309,700 pages?!
 * —WWoods (talk) 17:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

There are fewer than 20 such pages on Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts so identifying the new additions is not difficult. There could be a few hundred on the subject category but as it will take a while longer to reduce the category to just those items there is time for someone with some categorization knowledge and programming skills to do something. I need to find a guru.

Thank you for your appreciation of the problem. Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts had 2,777 pages when I started. After more than 3,000 edits it is now almost clean.
 * JimCubb (talk) 20:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Anderson Goose
Based on the references on Talk:Anderson Goose Lake, I added coordinates. -- User:Docu

Guadalcanal
Hi, you're quite right to say that Hiei and Kirishima were reclassified as battleships but they weren't rebuilt, merely strengthened a little. But they remained effectively battlecruisers and were less well armoured than their German equivalent Scharnhorst class. When it came to the test, Kirishima was blown apart by Washington, as you'd expect with a BB v BC. I won't revert this but "light battleship" would be a fair compromise between BC and BB. All the best, 143.117.64.10 (talk) 09:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

noob
get a life —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.63.102.254 (talk) 02:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Best Moon Landing Ever?
Hi Wwoods. Thanks for adding the cite to Apollo 11 and 27th_World_Science_Fiction_Convention. However, I really wonder if these citations are correct. I notice that the official Hugo site ( http://www.thehugoawards.org/?page_id=50 ) makes no mention of this award (indeed, searching the site for, for instance, Aldrin, yields nothing). I think there is a chance that the NESFA page you used to cite the articles may have just been copied from Wikipedia. The wording of the "special award", with the "Ever" ending, so reminiscent of Comic_Book_Guy, makes me still fairly certain that this is a hoax. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Perhaps I should post my "concern" on the Apollo 11 talk page. Cheers, Doctormatt (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No chance it was copied from Wikipedia. Nor that it's a hoax, since I saw it in print before the invention of the WWWeb ... somewhere I can't lay hands on right now, physically or mentally. Possibly in one of Asimov's Hugo anthologies. Other references: http://www.wsfs.org/hc.html#spc and http://www.worldcon.org/hy.html#69 . As for the "Best Ever" wording, hey, it was an award from a bunch of SF fans. :-)


 * However,
 * Special Awards


 * Some Worldcons give out special awards during the Hugo Awards ceremony. These awards are at the committee’s discretion, rather than by general vote. Such special awards may not use the Hugo Award rocket and are not considered Hugo Awards, but they are sometimes included in lists of Hugo Awards because they were presented at the same ceremony.
 * http://www.thehugoawards.org/?page_id=3
 * So, you've got a point about listing it as a Hugo.
 * —WWoods (talk) 20:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for clearing this up. Cheers, Doctormatt (talk) 01:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

A study on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies
Hi. I would like to ask whether you would agree to participate in a short survey on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies in articles pertaining to global warming and climate change. If interested, please get in touch via my talkpage or email me Encyclopaedia21 (talk) 19:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Cahokia Downs
Thanks for the excellent cleanup on this article. Handicapper (talk) 12:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S. - Would you mind checking out the Coordinates for Kentucky Association. Much appreciated. Handicapper (talk) 15:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You seem to be in the ballpark, though maybe "east end of 5th Street at Race Street" should be 'east end of Race Street at 5th Street'? Certainly there's a horsey theme to the street names — Bluegrass, Thoroughbred, Mustang, Triple Crown.
 * I can't see where the track was from the map or satellite image. The area seems to have been redeveloped twice since then, first with Shropshire Ave. running across it, and now with Bluegrass Park and Aspendale Drives. Maybe 5th did end at Race back then? And 6th also?
 * I'm very tempted to guess that the track's location is marked by that gratuitous loop in Shropshire Avenue, but you really need an older map to verify that.
 * —WWoods (talk) 16:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Coordinate fix in airports
Thanks for fixing these. It appears that the replace I typed in had an error in some cases. By the way how did you find them? Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 02:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there was a double pipe after the coords: ... ....
 * Instances of coord with various errors show up in Category:Coord template needing repair, which I've been beating on. You can also see this if you set your preferences to show hidden categories, which lets you know immediately if you've done something wrong.
 * Regards, —WWoods (talk) 06:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I not noticed the "show hidden catergories" before. I've turned it on and I'll be more careful in the future. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 13:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

broken coords
I removed the two old sandbox articles rather than have you fix them. Thanks dm (talk) 02:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Broken Coord
Sure that's fine. User talk:Ozdaren/personal sandbox Ozdaren (talk) 16:58, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Great tip! fixed my own bits. NVO (talk) 18:14, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I've nowikied it. Yes they are decimal minutes. Confused me somewhat at the time.©Geni 20:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead ( User:Andrew Jameson/sandbox). Thanks. Andrew Jameson (talk) 17:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:Broken coord
I'll fix it, thanks. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 20:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Broken coord List of Guano Islands Act claims
Thanks for fixing these. It sounds obvious now that you point it out, but I didn't know the max was 60 so I'll keep an eye out for that in the future. I just cut and pasted the article that you fixed into my sandbox so it should be good but, if not, feel free to fix it. Thanks again.RevelationDirect (talk) 02:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Angles are measured with the same sexagesimal system we use for time: 60 seconds to the minute, 60 minutes to the degree/hour. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but there it is. Note that you can use decimal degrees for coordinates — and a lot of sources do.
 * —WWoods (talk) 02:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

fix coords: dec/dms confusion
Thanks for fixing in Gosairhat Upazila page these. It appears that you have edited —WWoods (06:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC) Gosairhat Upazila ‎(fix coords: dec/dms confusion) the coordinates of Gosairhat as: 23°3′39″N 90°26′0″E But if we see the exact location of Gosairhat upazila Headquarter, it is 23.0765289°N/90.4318678 as per wikimapia. : Yeah, you can see here


 * May I ask to put the correct coordinates. Regards, User_talk:Mizan1947
 * ✅ —WWoods (talk) 18:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

coordinates fixing
i was trying to point towards my city hall. i didn't know the coordinates now needed to be in minutes/seconds form instead of decimal form.... i'll remove it immediately so i can fix it RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 06:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I meant the city hall of Windsor, Ontario, Canada, my home town. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 17:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure, change if you wish. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 23:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Renewable energy
I've responded to your reapplication of semiprotection to this article, on the talk page of the article. --TS 00:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:Renewable energy sources
Hi Ww, There has been a lot of IP vandalism here and I wonder if you would consider semi-protection please... Johnfos (talk) 17:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Johnfos (talk) 21:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Jack C Waldron
I stand corrected —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reargun (talk • contribs) 10:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)