User talk:Wwwhatsup/Archive 2

Collaboration on Punk & New Wave Music pages
It was with great interest that I noted that you were living in London in the punk (and immediate) post-punk era. When you have time, could you cast an eye of the pages I've been working on, and consider collaboration on the other pages listed? Many thanks.

The Cortinas, The Drones, Eater, The Lurkers, Henry Priestman (Yachts, It's Immaterial, The Christians), The Roxy, Kirk Brandon (The Pack, Theatre of Hate, Spear of Destiny), and The Vibrators.

New Pages completed: Johnny Moped, Live at the Roxy WC2, and Streets.

New Pages planned: A Bunch of Stiff Records (Seminal Various Artists compilation album), The Count Bishops, The Doll, The Gorillas, Pink Military, Rabid Records (Manchester label), The Shirts, and Step Forward (London label).

Existing Pages prioritised for improvement: The Adverts, 999, Penetration, The Ruts, The Skids, Slaughter & The Dogs, Tom Robinson Band, and X-Ray Spex.

P.S. Loved the N.Y. bands that flourished around CBGBs circa 1975-76! Yozzer66 (talk) 23:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I added a couple of little things. As I already said - I do think 1) you should just avoid the term 'seminal' altogether - it's discredited. Just find another way of saying it - 'early' would probably suffice, and 'influential' with a cite is great. 2) the trakmarx cites need to be fixed to be more specific. You should work on using the citation templates.

Streets (punk album)
Since you had some good comments and edits in related articles, perhaps you can take a look at the Streets (punk album) article, since at the moment it just reads like an advertisement, and has some other issues that need to be fixed. I attempted to correct the problems, but kept getting instantly reverted by the editor who created the article. Spylab 15:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Another editor and I have corrected the problems, and hopefully those improvements will not be reverted.Spylab 20:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah looks good. I'd totally forgotten that Streets was the first Beggars record. Yozzer's heart is definitely in the right place, and one can sense his enthusiasm. One can tell that the whole tight-ass aspect of WP goes against the grain there, you have to laugh - I mean well, punk rock! He's certainly breaking ground with his article work. Wwwhatsup 12:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for playing the peacemaker! The corrections to Streets mentioned above were incredibly minor and, after your advice on The Drones (I think) discussion page, were (largely) outlined by me on the Streets discussion page. In retrospect, I really can't see what all the fuss was about. Incidently, I've added a new overview section (with plenty of proper cites!) which clearly demonstrates the album's 'seminal' status. However, I'm not going to the stake over a word. Readers will interpret the album's significance for themselves. Finally, it's not that the WP tight-ass thing goes against the grain so much as the conduct of the people who see it as their role to enforce it (and I don't mean the elected people). They tend to be a real pain - arrogant, patronising, reluctant to discuss properly, behaving 'like a bull in a china shop', requiring more work / research from others but rarely contributing or colaborating themselves, etc. All the best. Yozzer66 19:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The Clash
Hi Wwwhatsup, First of all, I want to thank you for the correction about Siouxsie Sioux on the Pennie Smith article. I was adding some references to that article and I wrote Siouxie Sioux instead of Siouxsie Sioux, but I tried the link and it seemed to be right, so thank you again. I saw you have inserted the Refimprove template at the top of The Clash article on 16 September, 2007. Do you think is possible to return to the more specific Fact template now that there are 21 new references on 28? The Clash article failed the good article nomination on 13 October, 2006 (one year ago). Is now the time to renominate it? What you think about that? (Link: Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations) Thank you for all, and have a great weekend Pjoef 11:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah I took it down. You've done some good work there. You must have spent over 100 hours on it. I'd let it settle a bit. There's no rush. I'd like to see something about Magnificent Seven being a crossover R&B hit, particularly in NYC; the band's influence on early hiphop. I actually have some vid somewhere that I shot of Chuck D of Public Enemy talking about that.. Wwwhatsup 12:08, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

For The Magnificent Seven, check out its own article (it was inspired by Sugarhill Gang and Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, when the band went in NYC; the link in the reference, www.monthlyreview.org/0603ambrosio.htm, is really interesting. It's a part of a book written by Antonino D’Ambrosio and published in the USA). About Chuck D see the next section. It is the last part of an article/interview by Elton John, Bono and Chuck D. It's also available on the web at: findarticles.com/.../pg_3, www.strummernews.com/interviewmag.html and www.epitaph.com/news/print/1019. Check out WikiProject The Clash/List of related articles when you have a chance. It's a page where I'm collecting links, info, and more related to The Clash. Now is incomplete, but it should be used to watch the progress status of the articles and of the whole project. (for example, I used it to cite sources) Is possible to see your videos online (when you'll find out)? Do you have an account on YT? Cheers, Pjoef 16:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok Wwwhatsup! I'ld like to nominate The Clash article for FA, and my "rush" was also for that, but I believe in you and I put myself in your hands ;)

I have a video site of my own. I have 100's of videos that need to be edited and posted. I can't say if and when I'll get to that one. Wwwhatsup 22:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

STRANGE BEDFELLOWS HOW THE CLASH INSPIRED PUBLIC ENEMY BY CHUCK D
The first time I heard the Clash was in 1981. I was in College at Adelphi University on Long Island, and one night I went down to this show in Manhattan-one of Kurtis Blow’s hip-hop package shows. The crowd was rough. People from different camps were there-the hip-hop people and the punk-rock people. They even started throwing tomatoes at Kurtis, so that’s the type of wild kids who were there. But the Clash completely broke it that night. It was an awakening for a New York cat like myself.

As I delved more into the music scene, I started learning about how the kids across the water in England were rebelling against the queen and the aristocracy. Around the same time, Bill Stepheny, a friend of mine from Adelphi and one of the original members of Public Enemy, started playing the Clash’s records on his hip-hop radio show, which opened up a lot of people’s minds. He would reach into the Clash’s catalogue, as well as the sex pistols’, and make those kinds of songs work in the context of a hip-hop show. He was instrumental in exposing a lot of hip-hop cats to what the Clash were doing. I had great respect for Joe Strummer. How he used his music-incorporating a lot of black music like hip-hop and reggae-was very different from the guys who invented rock ‘n’ roll: He Always paid homage to those who came before him. I admired him for his humility as an artist and for the fact that he dug musical cats, no matter what type of music they played. He was constantly pushing the boundaries of the Clash’s sound and of what music could do on a greater level. And Joe was still rebellious: He was speaking about things he saw in his life-the things right in front of his face that none wanted to talk about-and taking his message around the world.

Public Enemy is an American group, but we address the same issues we deal with-political, social, musical-on an international level. We take our conversation worldwide. I learned the importance of that from Joe Strummer. Right now there’s a hunger out there for a musician like that. As a musician, it’s not an easy way to go, but there are people who are doing it in hip-hop right now-politically outspoken groups like Dead Prez and the Coup, who are totally fearless and noncapitulating in their work. That’s Joe Strummer’s legacy-the idea that you need to stand by your word every step of the way.


 * Yes that's from the intro to the book 'The Politics Of Joe Strummer' right? It was at a reading of that I taped him. Almost word for word the same thing. With that M7 article explaining everything, how about changing the sentence about radio play to say something along the lines: While The Magnificent Seven was a crossover hit on urban radio, the album itself failed to gain wider airplay etc etc.. I'm no judge of FA, so don't take my word for it. I put up that refimprove to replace an earlier, more severe warning, I think.

Wwwhatsup 00:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

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Barnstar
Thank you very much for the barnstar. Yes, that book was Yesterday, I have found a mistake in the Train in Vain article. TiV article has a reference to a web page/article, www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?id=299, but I discovered that the contents of TiV article appears to be a substantial copy of that web page. Check it out, when you have a chance. Thank you again, Pjoef 12:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. Great use of quotes inline and refs. I think the Typical Girls connection is a little far-fetched.Wwwhatsup 12:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Best wishes, Pjoef 19:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added a source for the "Typical Girl" (see Train in Vain). It is a part of an online article by Marcus Gray, the author of The Clash: Return of the Last Gang in Town, about the ongoing pop influence of 'Stand By Me'.


 * Very good. Who knew? Wwwhatsup 19:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Andrew WK
Yeah, the article is pretty poor. I guess that's because he's not that popular.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 00:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

PopUps, Joly??? & C/Si
“BTW Pjoef, do you use Popups?” No, I don't, but I'll try it out today. Thank you (Joly???) for the tip. Wow, I can't believe, but I think that I discovered you on YT. Yesterday, I was listening (more than watching) to one of my playlists related to The Clash and I saw (if I'm not wrong) one of your videos ("Vic Thrill & The Saturn Missile - Bankrobber)!!!!!!! I added a comment to that video, and I saw your reply.  I also subsribed to your CH, and I visited your web sites, they are amazing!  Tonight, December 5th there are the Carbon/Silicon (featuring Mick Jones & Tony James) at Highline Ballroom (431 W 16th St New York, NY 10011, between 9th and 10th Ave - (212) 414-5994). Concert starts at 9:00PM, more info at www.highlineballroom.com].  Have a great day, —P Joe F. (talk • contribs) 11:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I hate going to shows unless I'm shooting. If they're bad, I wish I wasn't there, and if they're good I wish I was shooting. The band, I know, would say ok, but I've not had any joy in previous efforts to get board audio out of the Highline people. My friend BP Fallon is going to go. He will report. I have three other shows that I'd be welcome at tonight. Wwwhatsup (talk) 12:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Dangolaenican
I noticed you've been reverting Dangolaenican apparently he is trying to remove what he deems to be "advertisements", really weasel words, however he keeps removing the entire sections. He does have a point, some of the way the article is phrased does use weasel words. He only has about 4 edits, so I am assuming good faith. See the revelant discussion on my talk page. --Nn123645 (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

It's sock-puppetry. I'll respond on Talk:Punk rock.Wwwhatsup (talk) 16:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Is there a case open at WP:SSP on this? --Nn123645 (talk) 17:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Punk rock
What the hell are you doing there? Dangolaenican (talk) 17:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm reverting you until an admin comes along and blocks you. Why waste everybody's time? Wwwhatsup (talk) 17:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Ira Cohen
I see it now. Thanks; Opiumjones 23 (talk) 12:22, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * fyi and source

Opiumjones 23 (talk) 02:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

PopUps
Hi, Joly. Thank you for the tip! It has previews and several enjoiable functions and features, but I'm not yet ready to use it completely, and I currently prefer to use the tabbed browsing instead. The ability of previewing an article and the relative information are really great. I saw your post about the Joe's archive. That article arts.independent.co.uk/music/news/article3233347.ece is very interesting. —P Joe F. (talk • contribs) 19:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Punk Star
Thanks, mate, much appreciated. Do you want to take a crack at the sort of edit that's being discussed currently? I gather it's the Pink Flag and Metal Box captions that are particularly at issue. If you have a sense of how you'd like to see the points made in the main text, by all means... Best, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 05:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you're on a roll so I'm happy to let you go. But I'll look at it tomorrow. Wwwhatsup (talk) 05:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Gene Vincent
May I suggest that you change the link for that site so that it points to a page that has valuable free content? I think that would be more appropriate. I left the other site because I'm not much into scorched earth editing ie deleting a bunchof stuff at once. Steve Pastor (talk) 20:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Jumpinjive.jpg

 * I messed with this. Feel free to revert it. Wwwhatsup (talk) 07:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Not a problem. -Freekee (talk) 02:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Slimsmith.jpg
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 * Fair Use Rationale added. Wwwhatsup (talk) 19:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair Use
Hi Wwwhatsup.

Thanks for the kind comment on my user page about the album cover scans I had provided. The problem is that I supplied so many (and here) and it would take me ages just to go back and amend the descriptions and I no longer have the time or enthusiasm. When I uploaded most of them the tags and fair use rationale I provided were deemed adequate (most 'fair use' images I came across then had no tags or rationale at all) and it's only now that the 'Copyright Police' have decided that that no longer applies and instead of altering the image page of a fairly-evident use of an album cover themselves, they then expect me to go back and alter them all myself. Thanks for doing the Adverts album cover BTW. I agree about the Captain Pugwash theme too - luckily I have it as a ring tone on my mobile phone! - LOL! Regards, Ian Dunster (talk) 12:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That was quick! - LOL! Thanks! Ian Dunster (talk) 12:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks again - BTW, if there are any that have been deleted that you would like me to re-upload then let me know and I'll see if I've still got them, as I kept backups of most. Ian Dunster (talk) 10:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I think they are working on improved easier to use templates for non-free stuff. I'd say hold off for a bit, but keep that stuff handy. Let's deal with keeping up what's there right now. Wwwhatsup (talk) 10:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi again Wwwhatsup.


 * Thanks again for the tag work. I have taken your suggestion and archived the talk page. BTW, Happy New Year! Regards, Ian Dunster (talk) 10:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Sienna Miller
I've responded on the talk page regarding the filmography, as well as on the page of the person who removed it. Also, I've re-inserted the filmography. Thanks for letting us know. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Scarlet457
I went back pretty far, pretty much as far as the single purpose removal of references to Riot Grrrl, Tobi Vail, and Bikini Girl went. Before that, the edits were a bit less disruptive, I reverted a few, but not all, as they tended to be a little more out of my realm of knowledge, so I figured they could be taken care of by other editors who might be watching those pages. The user hasn't edited in a few days, so I presume the disruption is over, though I've got their talk page on my watchlist in case. I'll let ya know if anything comes up though. Cheers! Murderbike (talk) 22:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, I reverted all of the edits made. Murderbike (talk) 20:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they're accusing them of being Courtney Love, which seems a little absurd, and definitely a personal attack. Murderbike (talk) 02:20, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationales
Please be more careful if you decide to write fair use rationales like. The two rationales you added were invalid due to the way the images were being used in the articles you added rationales to. The images were being used purely for decorative uses which violates WP:NFCC, points #3a and #8. I have removed those rationales as well as the images uses which were in violation. Please review WP:NFCC to make sure the images are not being violated before adding rationales. Thank you! — Save_Us   †  08:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. I knew I was on dodgy ground there under current regs. The image, which is fair-use in the article that it relates to, was included in the other article infoboxes in miniature form solely as a visual representation of the subject of the article, so the use was solely to illustrate the subject of the article as specified in the fur. I didn't put them in those boxes myself but I figured that if they were removed, then the fair-use rationales would become redundant anyway, so I might as well put the fur's in while I was updating the image. Wwwhatsup (talk) 09:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Question
Hi and thank you for welcoming me (please excuse my poor english...). I'm essentially a contributor to the french Wikipedia. I've juste met an unknown problem. In the WAX tailor talk page I'd like to add this paragraph:

" Hi everyone, I'm rather a contributor to the french Wikipedia. I come and see you cause I have a question. We don't have an article for Wax Tailor in french and I unfortunately don't know his work. An IP came and added WAX Tailor into the abstract hip hip list of artists. Do you think it's correct or no? many thanks. " And When I try to save I get a spam filter notice page telling me that it detected a spam link to the myspace blogs domains... But ther's no link at all in it!! What's the matter? Regards Xic667 (talk) 10:48, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I see you seem to have sorted out your problem. I don't understand what could have caused that warning. I do see a french entry. It does seem that he might be considered primarily a trip-hop artist, who uses elements of hip-hop in his music.. Wwwhatsup (talk) 20:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Arabella churchill 1967.jpg
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Music group logos
I don't think it is arguable that these are necessary fair use. I speak as the original uploader of the Clash logo. --John (talk) 06:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm just teasing the guy for getting his cite wrong. There obviously was an argument. I'll read the consensus when it's properly linked. Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You can view the discussion at Template talk:Infobox Musical artist. It appears we've agreed that, by and large, most of the "logos" that are currently in the infoboxes of musician articles aren't appropriate or at least aren't in the right place. We're trying to add some language into the template to the effect that the artist's name should be written in plain text. At the very least the consensus is at a point where I felt emboldened enough to remove "logos" that were either blatantly in violation of fair use or weren't really logos at all. Apologies for messing up the link earlier. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It's good reasoning. I concur. Wwwhatsup (talk) 14:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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 * Pic added to Arabella Churchill (charity founder). Wwwhatsup (talk) 14:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. That's the first time it's been vandalized that I can recall. Of course it's the first time I've been involved in such a heated discussion too. Thanx! --IllaZilla (talk) 20:40, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob. Wwwhatsup (talk) 23:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)