User talk:Wwwwolf/archive5

This is the archive of User talk:Wwwwolf for the 2nd half of 2007. Please don't add your comments here, use to leave me a note instead!

Lava lamp
I am overcome by the absolute and sheer stupidity of that entire situation. Thanks for your comment. I am sure if I ever aspired to be an admin this would be brought up as some edit that doesn't understand policy or some bs like that, But I know dumb sh*t when I see it, and, this is dumb sh*t. IvoShandor 09:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

"artists' liberation movement" / Liberation of expression
all art is advertisement of a message. sure i created this piece but the message is what is truly important, i do not even use my real name as the artists name. a standard article about nikola tesla is a promotion of the man and the things that he stood for. this is a very important communication about the freedom of people to express themselves and not have it judged as true or false. it deserves to be included in an encyclopedia that is open to the masses. i hope that you have read the text before you decide whether or not it is straight up advertising. it is education.

the website from which the text was copied is mean to inform as well, it is an artist statement about a piece of art that exists in reality. the most legitimate source for the education about any individual is their own writing, autobiographies. the single fact that a piece is written about oneself is not adequate reason to deem it propaganda, if anything it reveals the true intentions of a person so long as you consider it is self authored.

if after reading this you still determine that the text is illegitimate simply because it was written by the creator, please make your own entry to wikipedia for this message, it is too important to not let people know in every forum and source for education.

INDIVIDUALISM!

Taxbaxtaylor baybutt —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Taxbax (talk • contribs).

Replied on the user's talk page:

In order to follow along my explanation, I must make one thing very clear from the beginning: Wikipedia is not the kind of an art project you think it is. It is an exercise in creating a factual, useful encyclopaedia, with all parts of that rather traditional, hidebound, and non-expressive craft considered - and I'm not saying any of those qualities are bad things, they're extremely good for the task at hand. We're scholars, not prosaists. We're concerned about communication and conveying facts, not creativity. Who we are doesn't matter and we must not care. I'm a rather verbose prosaist so this is, of course, a personal challenge. We have very specific kind of commonly agreed rules here, and we don't interpret them too creatively. We're allowed to bend them if needed but even so we're expected to reflect on their spirit.

That said, I'll address some of the points you made...

I'll comment on your last comment first, because that explains a lot. No one finds it problematic in itself that you're writing about yourself. However, it's the way people write about themselves that's the problem. Actually, the problem is how one goes to present anything at all: You have to consider all of the relevant rules of the house, the style, the applicability of sources, the wording, the method of writing - now that you mention, everything that has to do with creating articles.

It's not something one learns overnight; I really recommend looking at other articles and seeing how they look. As said above, we're not creating Kewl Artikuls that stand out; we're creating articles that are uniform, accessible and informative.

I had a little bit of difficulty following what you actually referred to; I only deleted the article "artists' liberation movement". The reason I deleted it was that it was basically empty. Wikipedia articles have to stand alone and external links are only meant to give sources and supplemental information; article that only says "see this web page" isn't helpful at all. I discerned that you were actually referring to Liberation of expression; I purged the material you wrote from that article's history for a few reasons. So here goes:

You're interpreting the definition of "advertising" here pretty broadly, while we have a rather strict definition - even if it's just "I know it when I see it". The idea is not to curb the promotion of ideas; it's to curb promotion of ideas for their own sake. Nikola Tesla stood on his own merits, so we tell the world about what he did. A hypothetical company Bob's VCR Repair Shop isn't known for its own merits, has no records of ever being a notable company, and the article was created by the owner of the company for the purpose of generating the said notability - well, that doesn't bode well.

Which brings me to the conclusion of that one: We need a priori notability which must be demonstrated through reliable sources. If the article doesn't explain why the subject is notable and have sources to back it up, we're easily lead to the conclusion that the article is purely promotional - an attempt to get the notability a posteriori.

Then, the freedom of expression. This is an age-old dilemma: You have every right to say things and spread the word. Regrettably, freedom of expression entails neither a requirement to listen, nor requirement to convey. In other words, say what you want, but don't expect that people will help you spread the word and don't expect to be heard. Expect that people set the terms on how you may spread word on their communication channels.

Then, the website. We're not objecting on taking information from the website. We're objecting on the fact that it's a direct copy of the content and there's absolutely no indication on whether or not we're allowed to use the content in first place under the copyright constraints we have. Wikipedia is not a place to present original material anyway: Consider, for example, Dada - the article explains in its own words where the movement came from, and the Dada Manifestos only appear in the external links. And while it is true that you do get the best information from people directly involved, that doesn't necessarily work in a scholarly work. We require attributability and reliable sources, self-published material may not be the best when you consider reliability. We also have to consider problems raised by conflicts of interest if you are writing about yourself.

Now, you probably want to look at notability and see whether or not the subject qualifies. I also recommend looking at manual of style to see how articles are put together in the first place.

Sorry if I'm long-winded, but this is how things work here. Also, please don't be disappointed - life is always hard at first, so very confusing for all of us all the time, and no one can be a genius all the time. Happy editing and welcome to Wikipedia! --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 09:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

no need to apologize, i appreciate your longwinded-ness for it is from that which we can truly understand each other. i see all of your points while standing by mine. i definitely feel that i have separated myself from this expression and now it is my job to spread it as i see it being so important.

i fear though that you do not see this project as a creation and a result of design, no the traditional aesthetic form of design, but a product of the creation process. similarly, each article is an expression of a truth, none can exactly convey what was or is the real truth because as soon as you begin to put that into words, you are linking it to and individual's chosen connotations and definitions. word is a form of creation and by stating that the article on dada is in the author's "own words" you recognize that it can not exactly express the intentions of each artist of the movement.

i am an advertising major at the savannah college of art and design. thusly, i see all expression as forms of advertising, advertising a concept, advertising an ability, advertising an individual, whether or not they are written by an outside observer. because that observer, especially in a community encyclopedia, has chosen that topic as relevant enough for inclusion and, if he is educated enough to write about it he must be enthused enough to educate himself. perhaps he is promoting negativing (e.g. the death toll of world war 2 but this is proof that he is not promoting for the sake of the individual but for the sake of the communication that he feels is necessary enough to the progression of the species that it should not be forgotten.

i am not contesting the withdrawl any longer, but this is a very enjoyable discussion. i smiled when i saw that my term remained with a redirect to Freedom of Expression.

Taxbax 21:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)Taxbax

kidnap
if you want to kidnap me here is my address 1375 strong branch roadMountainD 13:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

PS

make sure ou carry me to the end of my drive way and back I love being carried put me over your sholder or inbetween your arm like they do in they movies

sorry that was my little sister Bethany you can play games or not but do not really kidnap her okay and she might want me to playMountainD 13:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

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Question for wwwwolf
Hi, just wondering how you can get that little box above your talk page saying "Send a mesage" or something like that. Thanks, Dingv03 02:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's simple - . Replace my username with yours if you're using it, obviously. =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 07:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Oikolukemista
Tere! Omituinen pyyntö tulloo, mut mitä siit voi :) Elikka tarvitaan kipiästi oikolukijoita (ja kääntäjiäkin) tämän wikin käännösrojekteihin. Kiinnostaisko edes hivenen vertaa? -Yupik 19:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Ingo Molnár
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Blosxom
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WikiProject Furry


Re: test
Thanks Wwwwolf!

I was unaware creating new namespaces required that... I hope my fiddling mind didn't cause much annoyance for any one else...

Charlie .somerville 11:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 11:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Tmaxsoft
Sir, The article "Tmaxsoft" is about an IT company in Asia, which is influencing technology in the area. It is notable as in recent years it has been trying to go global and hence has met with successes and failures. I think it is important to document such events as it will relate to many users. The reason it is notable is because it is trying and influencing the Asia region, by it's failed attempt to setup a centre in India. This can be informative to other people trying similiar strategies in countries such as China, Japan and Korea. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dudeb23 (talk • contribs).
 * will reply on the user's talk page. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 08:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Beautyscopes
hey...how am i supposed to enter "beautyscopes" without you claiming it is advertising? i get emails asking what a beautyscope is and i am trying to explain it so i dont have to answer 200 emails a week. it is trademarked, yes, but that does not mean i am trying to advertise. you also have other brands and published works out there like nataliedee.com (among others) so what is the issue with detailing what beautyscopes are and if you dont like how i wrote it can you jsut write something then because it would be great for people to have a definition and stop emailing me for onE! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User111669 (talk • contribs).
 * Replying on user's talk page. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 16:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Why do you find it necessary to delete other peoples messages?
It is none of your business! Furthermore, keep your opinions to yourself... believe me if more people in this world would mind their own business and stop putting their nose in others business mmmm yep this world would be a better place. Yes by the way I am annoyed by you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ziggykit (talk • contribs).
 * Er, I'm not quite following - where did I delete messages? Could have been an talk page archiving glitch or something. (This warrants some investigation...) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 06:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm a tiny bit confused here. I'd suggest calming down a little bit - I'm sure this can be resolved. Without your help, I don't think I can find the problematic deleted part, anyway, because it appears to me that this message was your first ever edit. Having some sort of reference would be extremely helpful. Just point out where and what I deleted unjustifiably and we can work this out, okay? --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 06:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Meow!
Heya, Wibblewoof... Not even one mention of Nethack on your talk page? No YAFM or YAAD? Not even a YAAP? :-D --StarChaser Tyger 14:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello. =) It's just that currently, I feel I'm capable of going up to the tops of tiny little hills... and Nethack would be the Mount Everest. =) Seriously, there hasn't been much progress lately because I've felt the game was soooo frustrating that I'd run out of As to describe the YAADs. =) Another thing is that I'm a little bit packed with games to play as is - if MobyGames' limit of 25 items on the list is too short for me and "Recently Finished" has one item, well... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 15:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

URLs on redlinks on a hndis page
I fixed some broken markup on Joe Jordan but was wondering if the disambiguation guidelines means I should remove the reference links for the redlinks, remove the redlinks altogether or something else I haven't thought of. Came here via your listing on editor assistance. elmindreda 00:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, in my opinion, there probably shouldn't be links to subjects that probably never will be proper articles. (in MOS:DP: "Links to non-existent articles ("redlinks") may be included only when an editor is confident that an encyclopedia article will be written on the subject.") The musician might warrant an article of its own, so it might stay. The other link's subject is debatable, the link is ill-defined in any case (the parenthetical part shouldn't be quite that long) and I'm not sure if the article could be written - I removed it. In any case, I have usually not seen references sections in disambiguation pages - the references are supposed to generally be in the articles themselves. I left them there for now, but they probably should be moved to the article once it exists as it's not really the best use of dab pages in my opinion. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 08:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, thank you for showing and clarifying. ♥ I'll keep an eye on it for a while. elmindreda 20:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Aircrafts of Ace Combat
Could u provide me a copy of aircrafts of ace combat —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark knightao (talk • contribs) 13:55, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I can't seem to find such page, and I checked common capitalisation styles. Could you provide me the exact title of the deleted article? --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 15:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, seems that the article was really titled "Aircraft of Ace Combat". That page has been already restored at User:Bikii/AAC. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 15:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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Horance AfD
Oh, sorry about that. I didn't realize I was giving an admin "permission" to speedy an article. By the way, I remember you from K5. :) Eleland 19:42, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Absolutely no problem at all. =) I just don't really believe in speedy deleting articles that have been around for years, so it's better to just let things run for a while and do the proper notices and all that. =) (And should get back reading K5 but I'm spending too much time elsewhere... =/ ) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 19:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Kiitos!
Ystävä hyvä, kiitos sinulle mielenkiintoisesta ja opettavaisesta kotisivusta. Luin se henkeäni pidätellen ja rienusta kiljahdellen. Oli se vaan niin mielenkiintoinen. Opin myös jotain. Meillä suomiwikissä on ollut liian kielteinen asenne noihin infobokseihin. Itse olen varmaan ollut ylimpänä kieltäjänä. Nyt kuin nain sivusi, niin ne antavat mielenkiintoisen ja hienon kuvan käyttäjästä, joka on sivun takana. Opetit minut kerta heitolla suohtautumaan niihin myönteisesti. Siitä kiitos. Sivua voisi tietenkin kommentoida vaikka kuinka runsaasti, sillä se herätti paljon ajatuksia, mutta ehkä toisella kertaa. Terveisiä sinne puolimatkan krouviin Ouluun!! tuus --Alexius Manfelt 19:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Kiitoksia vain kommenteista ja hyvää jatkoa =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 09:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Antiklaus
Back by popular demand, apparently. :P - CobaltBlueTony 21:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Killian Documents Lock Bypass?
Hi. I'm just curious about how you added an edit to the Killian Documents article page after it had been locked,. Nothing accusatory, just curious-tory -- editing the Wikipedia Killian wikis has been more like a text-version of something like World of Warcraft, with each correction involving a battle with trolls, orcs, evil wizards, and whatnot to complete. Whatever.... -BC aka Callmebc 22:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A simple explanation: Crazy Admin Powers to do maintenance on articles that are protected. =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 22:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Tervehdys!
Heips, mukava tutustua suomalaisiin enkkuwikissä, en täällä henk. koht. ole kovinkaan moniin suomalaisiin käyttäjiin törmännyt. Käyttäjäsivullasi oleva susikuva on upea, muuten! :-)

Huomasin, että sinulla on tunnus Wikiassakin; jännää, etten ole törmännyt sinuun vielä siellä, olen nimittäin aktiivinen Wikian käyttäjä ja jopa ylläpitäjäkin siellä päin. Oletko tietoinen suomenkielisestä Wikian kotisivusta? Varmasti siellä kaivattaisiin yhtä jos toistakin asiantuntevaa käyttäjää - itselläni ei aika aina riitä tuohon käännöstyöhön, joten olet tervetullut jos vain tämä kiinnostaa.

Kuulemisiin! --Roosa 20:37, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

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Sock puppetry
As for the "joke accounts" thing, shouldn't there be a bit more discussion about it?? I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just suggesting you check the talk page... I'm discussing it there! --Solumeiras talk 18:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

My deleted page
Hello, can you please undelete my page called: User:Benno briton and Jojo da best's page. Coz it was a merge and now both our pages are redirecting to a deleted page. If you cannot undelete it, please send a mail to me with the contents.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benno Briton (talk • contribs) 10:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Undeleted and restored to User:Benno Briton/Benno briton and Jojo da best's page as requested. You should keep this sort of stuff as a subpage of your user page, as linked here; the page was previously deleted because there's no user called "Benno briton and Jojo da best's page". --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 18:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Lilypond
Hello,

Are you Urpo Lankinen who composed this Fire Breathers? Did you compose more? Is your music released under a free license? Thanks, Yann 14:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am. The source code to that song is available in GNU LilyPond article; that source code (and music) is under GFDL, as stated in the comments. As for the game itself, the development seemed to stall a long time ago =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 16:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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Image copyright...blah
Hi. I got your name off the editor assistance page and I hope you can help me with a image copyright issue. I know very little about tagging images properly and an image I uploaded to an early article I wrote was recently removed. The article in question is Catya Sassoon and the removed image is. Is there any way this can be tagged properly so it won't be removed? I'd like the image to stay in the article because not she's not a well known actress. Any tips would be great, thanks! Pinkadelica (talk) 12:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much. Your advice helps quite a bit. I have some more copyright info about the photo, so I'm going to include that (I know the first version was unacceptable, but had no idea what to put!) and other tags. Again, thank you very much for the advice and info. Pinkadelica (talk) 14:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Ultima VII
The part I removed needs a good source. Newspaper98 (talk) 00:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Killian cooling
What probably cooled Killian documents was an editor being blocked. Related articles have been cooler since then. -- SEWilco (talk) 03:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, I figured out as much. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 11:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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