User talk:Wzy0831/Polykleitos's Diadoumenos and Doryphoros

Moved back to userspace
I've moved this back to the draftspace rather than delete it outright. The reason for deletion was that you had created an article on a topic that was already created on Wikipedia at Diadumenos. There were also some issues with your article that I wanted to address.


 * First off, the article needed additional sources to really back up the claims in the article. You have some, but only one has a link to the source material. While sources do not have to be on the Internet, we do need to be able to verify the source content. The last source was a little vague since I didn't know if you were trying to reference a magazine, the statue itself, or something else. I think that you were maybe referencing this link. If this is the case, then you need to reference that it came from ArtsConnectedEd, which is associated with the Minneapolis Institute of Art and Walker Arts Center. It should be usable as a RS, but you need to fill out the source form completely so you can give them due credit.


 * Secondly, the article did have some original research in the article. Original research is basically someone drawing their own conclusions from available information. This is something that's pretty common with student-made articles (and with many new editors) since you're more used to writing academic papers than an encyclopedia article. There is some similarity between the two, but one of the biggest differences is that while you can include your own conclusions and observations in an academic paper, you cannot do this with an encyclopedia article since all material will need to be explicitly stated by reliable source. I think that you were likely quoting a source, but the source wasn't put behind the sentence and the way that it was structured came across as OR. Here are the two specific sentences that stood out the most:
 * It was believed that either the sculpture was a normal civilian, or he could be Achilles going off to war.
 *  The gesture of the boy tying his headband represents a victory, possibly from an athletic contest.
 * Basically, you need to show who made these observations and, ideally, show why they came to this conclusion.


 * You also tended to rely very heavily on quotes in the article and I estimate that this was at least half of the article. You can use quotes in articles, but if you're using extensive quotes you need to state who is making the quote otherwise it runs the risk of being a WP:QUOTEFARM or worse, runs the risk of running afoul of Wikipedia's policies on copyright violations. In this situation it might have been better if you had re-written it in your own words, since you were using this more to illustrate a point. The quotes should not take up the majority of the article and really, should only be used sparingly. You do have more leeway with quotes in academic papers, although I will say that you shouldn't rely overly much on quotes in either work.

Now that said, if this was a student paper it wouldn't be that bad. If you want to see if you can re-work some of the content and merge it into the pre-existing article, that could be a way to gain your course credit. If you need to create a new article entirely, you can try checking in at Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Visual arts or Requested_articles/Arts_and_entertainment to see if any of the pages there might fulfill your need. I can't guarantee that everything mentioned on those pages would be notable or fit your need, but it's a good place to start. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:30, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * A quick look at the article for Polykleitos shows that Astragalizontes (also referred to as "Boys Playing at Knucklebones") doesn't have an article. It looks like it may merit an article since I found the following sources just via a quick search:, , , , , https://books.google.com/books?id=xWl9AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT38&dq=Astragalizontes&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CFwQ6AEwCTgKahUKEwjCzK-I1pnJAhWE6CYKHVXOBSg#v=onepage&q=Astragalizontes&f=false]. I'd definitely speak with your teacher about this and I also highly recommend getting some help from the WP:TEAHOUSE if you're in a spot. You can always ask me for help, but I'm not always on Wikipedia and there's always someone at the Teahouse. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)