User talk:X1\/Consolidated

Consolidated discussion


Building Consolidated discussion, combining 1987 and Bogatin story threads; updated "full-page ads" item, numbered items, just included for context items in (2 & 4). I plan to wlink to previous discussions threads in Archive2 for easy reference when time premits (WIP) soon, and Archive old/separate discussion threads. X1\ (talk) 21:39, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

In Google Books, a significant number of pages of Trump / Russia: A Definitive History are free to view online, including on Bogatin. Bogatin is on pages 6-13, 16, 18-21, 63, and 164 per the book's Index (the body of the the book is 224 pages). X1\ (talk) 20:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

For previous discussion, see "vision of "Trump Tower Moscow" starting in 1987" thread and "Trump's new found interest in international politics after their time to the Soviet Union" thread. X1\ (talk) 21:06, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

And for other previous discussion, see Talk:Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections/Archive 2. X1\ (talk) 00:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

And for more previous discussion, see Talk:Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections/Archive 3. X1\ (talk) 20:12, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Added "Right to Bear Arms" to item for clarity. X1\ (talk) 21:02, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

These items are gaining significance for here, &/or a new article will needed create per new U.S. House interest in probe of President Trump and Russia regarding money laundering in particular. Currently three committees are already involved: United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, United States House Committee on Financial Services, and United States House Committee on Foreign Affairs. X1\ (talk) 00:58, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Right. And these affairs are getting less and less connected to Russian election interference. Start another article. — JFG talk 11:02, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably better to rename this article and start a new article about Russian interference in the election. I don't see for example what John Bolton's appearance in a 2013 Russian pro-gun video has to do with the interference in the 2016 election. TFD (talk) 22:36, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * you appear to be confused. That article, of which you have edited, already exists: Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections; and Bolton's video is in this Timeline.  X1\ (talk) 01:28, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, now I am confused. Yes I edited this article two years ago and in fact am now posting on its talk page. My suggestion was that we have a separate article about Russian interference in the election and rename this article. Stuff about for example John Bolton appearing in a Russian pro-gun video before Trump decided to run for president is not an example of Russian interference in the election, considering that Bolton was not part of the Trump campaign. However, it may be part of an article that shows connections between members of the Trump administration and Russia. Having renamed this article, we could then have one that concentrates on how Russia actually interfered in the election, for example by using a Moscow troll farm to post ads on facebook. TFD (talk) 02:04, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * check the link again; that article (you edited 05:15, 17 April 2017) was started 10 December 2016‎ and this article was created 23 May 2017‎. And yes you are correct, the Butina/ NRA/Bolton /Trump item shows an example of Russian connections to the U.S. election system; infiltration and then interference.  X1\ (talk) 21:38, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I tend to forget edits after two or three years. What I meant was that there are two topics: the relationship between Trump officials and Russians and Russians intervention in the election. While I understand the view that facebook ads posted by Russians swung the election, it is unclear how Bolton's participation in a pro-gun video had any relevance. And no sources say it did. TFD (talk) 00:47, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed Bolton's pro-gun speech in 2013 is far removed from any Russian election interference in 2016. Perhaps a separate timeline should be created for the NRA–Russia–Butina sub-plot, which frankly only confuses readers here. Will remove Bolton now. — JFG talk 10:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The Bolton item shows that he is connected to Butina, who was part of the Russian influence campaign on the NRA, which is being investigated for possibly using Russian money in the 2016 election.Websurfer2 (talk) 00:02, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * New article on Bolton yet to read maybe useful. X1\ (talk) 19:33, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I copied from items from that are have been discussed here.  X1\ (talk) 19:38, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Something related to watch regarding money-laundering and Russia: Deutsche Bank with regards to Trump and Kushner (2016/2017)  ; and Estonian branch of Danish Bank, Danske Bank, involving $230 Billion.   X1\ (talk) 20:45, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: from Steve Bannon wp article, regarding book Fire and Fury quote: Bannon warned that investigators would likely uncover money laundering involving Jared Kushner and his family business loans from Deutsche Bank. X1\ (talk) 21:35, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: Felix Sater plotted to launder stolen cash through Trump projects, lawsuit claims published: Mar 25, 2019 10:24 p.m. ET X1\ (talk) 00:40, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: added "Maria Butina" wikilink for clarification. X1\ (talk) 00:42, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: US congressional probe finds possible failures in Deutsche Bank controls with Russian oligarchs: report & Exclusive: U.S. congressional probe finds possible lapses in Deutsche Bank controls - sources (both from September 6, 2019). X1\ (talk) 19:59, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: Semion Mogilevich → Dmytro Firtash → Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman per A Dozen Questions for John Solomon justsecurity.org (5.Nov), How an Indicted Oligarch Became a Key Player in Trump’s Ukraine Scandal; Dmytro Firtash is fighting extradition to the United States. His lawyers are the president’s staunchest defenders. MoJo (18.Oct), DOJ has still not answered question about Firtash extradition nbcnews (15.Oct), and Destination Vienna: Connecting Trump, Giuliani, two fixers and a Ukrainian oligarch kyivpost.com (12.Oct).  X1\ (talk) 00:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ...and John Solomon (political commentator) link. X1\ (talk) 01:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: Semion Mogilevich → Dmytro Firtash → Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman ⇿ Rudy Giuliani (per various RSs).  X1\ (talk) 00:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)