User talk:X12R5G

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Hi LiberalFascist,

thanks for the information. the article was based on audio tapes from mellon, and the video in the external links section. Is it appropriate to link to the audio tapes as a source?

Thanks again, X12R5G (talk) 16:13, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * First off, sorry if my edits seemed drastic, the biographies of living persons policy requires erring on the side of caution when it comes to articles about living people. It is easy to restore the old version if I was incorrect.
 * The source you describe seems to be a primary source, which can be used in very limited situations as described here. Articles should not be based on those sources, but they can be used to fill in details where needed.  Additionally, the primary source must have been "reliably published", meaning that someone should be able to verify that they are actually made by Mellon.  It doesn't seem like that will be possible if they are audio tapes that have not been published.
 * From what I can tell, the only way to use that material on the tapes would be if there were a published biography written using the tapes as a source. Assuming the biography is reliable, it would be a "secondary source", and a great source for creating this article.
 * The welcome message I put above should point you to some policies, which I would encourage you to read, but they can be lengthy, so here's a quick run-down of the main content policies:


 * 1) Verifiability - All content that has been, or is likely to be challenged must be attributed directly to a reliable secondary source.
 * 2) No Original Research - Any material that is added must be directly supported by the sources, and should not be interpreted in a novel way
 * 3) Neutral Point of View - Subjects should be described objectively, and without taking sides. Coverage of different aspects of the article should also be roughly proportional to the coverage they receive in reliable secondary sources.


 * Please let me know if you have any questions, I hope you won't be intimidated by the requirements. Also, in case you didn't know, you can see the old version of the article here, or by clicking the history tab, and clicking on the date next to the edit you made.  --Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 19:30, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Revised Article
Hi Joshua,

I think I have the article to the point it is ready to be posted back. I would appreciate it if you could look at it and let me know what you think. It's in my sandbox. Admittedly, it still relies on the audio for much of the history but I believe it is well supported throughout by secondary, reliable sources. Thanks again for your help.

Bob X12R5G (talk) 17:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I glanced over it, but I won't have time to look in detail for another 6 hours or so. It does look good, and if you think it fits with WP:BLP (policy on living persons) then you should replace the current article with that version. I'm not an authority figure or anything, so you should do what you feel is correct within the policies of Wikipedia. Cheers  --Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 18:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)