User talk:X96lee15/Archive 2011

Western Michigan Broncos football coach navbox
Good morning, X96lee15. I just wanted you to know that I had tweaked the WMU football coach navbox, and why. We have recently upgraded all 122 of the Division I FBS coach navboxes to include first names and years of service. These upgraded navboxes have now replaced the old coach succession boxes, which have been deleted from all FBS coach pages. The upgrading of the FCS coach navboxes and those for the lower divisions is now on-going. The style formatting includes service dates in the following format: (1997–2001). We are using the so-called "ndash" as the date spacer, but it doesn't matter whether you use the HTML code or the single-character code for the ndash; I have left your single-character codes in place. I have also inserted the collapsed state code, which we are also using consistently for all upgraded navboxes, and which should be used in all navboxes over two lines of text. If you have nay questions, please give me a shout on my talk page or the WP:CFB talk page. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:24, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Michigan Wolverines men's ice hockey fansites
Was it really necessary to remove all of those? Those are all great sources of information: accurate, updated, and interesting.

For someone who routinely criticizes my edits, I feel as though you lack any kind of objectivity yourself.VictorsValiant09 (talk) 00:56, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * See WP:FANSITES. The section was self-admittedly called "Fan sites".  I do not criticize your edits, I merely follow Wikipedia policy. — X96lee15 (talk) 03:31, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * VV, after thinking about it more, I reverted my change. It may be against policy, but I only changed it when I saw you made an edit to the same section.  It's not my place to make that change since we've had disagreements in the past. — X96lee15 (talk) 15:38, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

losing score goes first
Thats how every college football page has been doing it this season and the college basketball pages are doing it aswell. I don't know where it is documented because I never read anything that they post on the college football or college basketball project pages, I just tend to look at trends and figure that its all been worked out that they have decided to do it that way. I edit enough pages to see a trend like that. So for one page, the Oakland page, to not do it that way makes no sence. So please don't keep changing it, it makes it uniform with other pages from this season if it's losing score first and uniformity is the ultimate goal amoung all the basketball pages. Thank you.
 * See CBB schedule entry. The documentation for the template shows the highest score always goes first. There is no reason to keep reverting.  And when referring to style issues with an article, WP policy is to keep it as it originally was in the article.  See WP:STABILITY. — X96lee15 (talk) 18:50, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Gary Gaines page links
The problem with the link to the kylgrafx site is, the kylgrafx sites are notorious for having erroneous info. For example, on their football pages, the kylgrafx web manager conveniently leaves out the names of award winners that he/she does not like. He/she should leave out their biases, and stick to reporting facts only. Specific to this case, the Gary Gaines page on that site is very outdated. Furthermore, IMO the Wikipedia page serves as Gaines' history page. So why does their need to be a link to another one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.210.67.111 (talk) 16:51, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Series of changes of actual names
Hi. I notice that you just made as series of changes of actual names. We reflect actual names, such as the ones I reverted you on, as they exist in reality. We don't change a name for gramattical or spelling purposes. Just as if Prince were to spell his name Prrince, we would follow his spelling, and not revise it per the dictionary. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:36, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Doing a google search for "out of zone plays made", the majority of them are lowercase, which is why I changed the name of the article. It's a statistic like "batting average" or "on-base percentage", which are not capitalized. — X96lee15 (talk) 22:47, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Baseball sites that define it tend to initial cap it. That serves as well to explain why it is OOZ (rather than ooz) ... and is the reason that when initial capped, the "of" is capped as well, which is of course not otherwise the norm.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:58, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That's two examples (and the second doesn't even capitalize "plays made"). The majority of google results do not capitalize it.  An acronym is always capitalized, even if the thing it stands for is not (like ERA, for example).  I started a discussion here: Talk:Out Of Zone Plays Made. — X96lee15 (talk) 23:03, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in a study
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Recent revert to Robert Traylor
Hi! You recently reverted my additions to the Robert Traylor saying that "Twitter condolances are not notable". However, the bit about Twitter was just one sentence of the paragraph I added (which mentioned Lebron James "tweet") whereas Paul Silas comment wasn't from Twitter. Either way, I think both comments are notable because of the relevance of James and Silas, both being former teammates and coaches of Traylor. Anyway, I commented out James "tweet" but left Silas' comment. Will that be okay? Thief12 (talk) 13:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're probably right. I'm OK with adding back in the info about Paul Silas.  I still don't think a tweet is noteworthy, unless it's covered in another source (like that whole Uptown Sports tweet scandal). — X96lee15 (talk) 14:55, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

A tosh.0 edit
So sorry to bother you. I have no idea what I am doing, but I wanted to edit the Tosh.0 wiki page and I saw that you have done so recently. Mike Gibbons created the show with Daniel Tosh. Gibbons is already listed as executive producer, but he should also be listed as creator along with Tosh.

It is well documented on IMDB  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1430587/

Thanks so much, and sorry again for the bother and my wiki unsavvy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdeano (talk • contribs) 01:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for contributing to the ongoing discussion on the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry talk page. I have read your comment and replied there. Levdr1lostpassword (talk) 03:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Upper Fells Point
Upper Fells Point has no apostrophe. see Upper Fells Point Improvement Association and the NRHP listing. GcSwRhIc (talk) 18:38, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

You don't think allegations of steroid use are relevant to home run records?
I am disgusted. That is all. Vranak (talk) 15:26, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The article doesn't mention steroids. Therefore, the caption should not either.  If you want to add to the article, that's fine, but it shouldn't be contained unsourced solely in a caption. — X96lee15 (talk) 15:28, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

American college basketball conference player of the year navigation boxes
X96lee15 – a while back we had a squabble over whether The Summit League Men's Basketball Player of the Year should contain first initials and last names, or just last names. I've given it some thought and I now agree with you that last names only is the way to go. For one, it's cleaner, and more importantly, it keeps in line with the way WP:NBA uses navboxes, and these two WikiProjects should overlap with how we standardize such things.

I am wondering if you could help me out in applying these changes to all of the navboxes in Category:American college basketball conference player of the year navigation boxes? There would be two objectives to keep in mind (which I'm sure you're aware of, but I just wanted to make sure): Thoughts? Jrcla2 (talk) 15:12, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) If there are 2 or more players with the same last name (e.g. Tim Smith and John Smith), then the first initials should be kept to disambiguate.
 * 2) Be sure to add non-breaking spaces between the year and the player's name (see example here) so that it doesn't cause bad breaks when skipping down to the next line.
 * I think you have my position confused. I think the navboxes should include the full name of each person, not just the last name. This is because:
 * Better idea of who you are clicking on (many of the players are somewhat obscure)
 * Less chance of including a typo when spelling out the right side of the pipe in the wikilink. If you typo the name, it will more than likely show up as a red-link, as opposed to a blue link that is misspelled.
 * Cleaner when editing since there are no piped links (except for the dab links)
 * — X96lee15 (talk) 23:00, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Losing score first
True, it not be the standard, in fact I don't know why everyone started doing it a few years ago, but all FBS and FCS pages list scores that way. Why should the 2011 Western Michigan page go against what every other page does? In fact, the 2010 page still has it listed that way. 2009 is only not that way because you changed it. There may not be a standard, but in the intrest of consistency it should stay with the losing score first. It is pointless to be the only page out of 120 to not list scores this way.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 18:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If there isn't a standard, then there is no reason all the team pages have to be the same. The format should be consistent within the article, but it doesn't have to be across the articles. To me, having the losing score first isn't how it is said if you were speaking in a sentence. — X96lee15 (talk) 18:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think thats wrong. All pages within the scope of college football on wikipedia should strive for consistency. It is pointless for one page to be different then all others. But whatever, I have have started disscusions on the templates page and on the WikiProject College Football page to set try and set a standard. I think it is very selfish of you to continue to make it different. 119 out of 120 all do it that way. You do not own that page, or the Oakland basketball pages where you contiune to go against the norm. It only hurts the college football pages as a whole when one page is different from all the rest.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 19:37, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Your deletion of place of birth
Hi X. You deleted the place of birth from an article, pointing (correctly) to the fact that it is in the ibox.

The ibox is in part summary of what is in the text of an article (same as a lede). As the MOS states: "keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts about the article in which it appears." (emphasis added). The fact that information is in an ibox is not reason to delete it from the article itself. If it were, we would be deleting a great deal of information from text of an article -- much of the ibox information, including date of birth, is in the ibox -- we don't go around deleting that information from the text of the article. Same with place of birth.

Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:32, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Consensus A-A templates
As a reg, I thought you might have an opinion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:06, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

College football season records table
X96lee15, your opinions and votes are solicited at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

College basketball national championship template
You were involved in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball/Archive 2 last year. You may want to be involved in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Hatnotes
There is no hatenote on a secondary topic. See WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. If we put hatenotes on just to "reduce confusion", every article on Wiki would have a hatenote. If Billy Williams (left fielder) becomes primary topic, the correct form for the hatenote will be '''This page is about TOPIC. For other uses, see ARTICLE NAME (disambiguation).''' If the No. 2 topic is outstanding, it can be mentioned. But I don't think that is necessary in this case. Neither the outfielder nor the umpire are the No. 2 topic anyway. Kauffner (talk) 15:10, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess the umpire portion of the note can go away. However, Billy Williams (left fielder) and Billy Williams (right fielder) are so similar, I think you still need the hatnote. I don't think the average reader knows the more-famous Billy Williams is the one that played left field. — X96lee15 (talk) 15:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You are using the hatnote for "disambiguating article names that are not ambiguous". That is to say, this hatnote simply reminds readers that a right fielder is not the same thing as a left fielder. This is given as an example of improper hatnote use at WP:NAMB. Kauffner (talk) 15:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

2011-2012 NCAA football bowl games
I had edited this page, stating Penn State was not a co-champion of the Big Ten Leaders division. Wisconsin beat Penn State today, and will play Michigan State, the winner of the Legends division in the conference championship. How is Penn State still a co-champion? Thanks! --Dpaulat (talk) 01:20, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

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Interested in creating a few WMU basketball player of the year articles?
Hi Lee- You may have noticed on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball that there has been a push to complete college conference player of the year articles. Knowing you are a WMU fan, I wanted to see if you'd be interested in creating articles for three Broncos who won Mid-American Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year. Jeff Tyson, Booker James and Mike Williams are the three players. Any interest? Rikster2 (talk) 18:58, 21 December 2011 (UTC)