User talk:Xain it

Dialects
Hi. I noticed your contribution about dialects of Italy. Have you got any reference to support your claims? I refere, in particular, to the claim that some dialects are actually Romance languages.--Panairjdde 22:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC

Well - firstly, and more simply, others articles of Wikipedia that support this fact (see Sicilian language, for exemple; or the main article itself realted to the "Language" section). Then, I'm studying Communication Science and I recently studied Socio-linguistics, and i can assure you that mani linguists agree that the word "dialect" is used unproperlt - dialect is in fact a variation of an existing language, while Italian didn't exist as a spoken and standardized language before the unification. Xain_it22:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC


 * I don't want to seem harsh, but is a requirement for Wikipedia co Intribution, so you should provide some reference, apart yourself. We need to provide reference to increase the reliability of Wikipedia, not because Wikipedia doeas not trust you.--Panairjdde 23:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm saying that internal reference can be found in Wikipedia itself - see "Dialects of Italian", the first line sounds like this:
 * "Standard Italian, as every language, is marked by regional and local linguistic varieties who are more or less divergent from the official standardized form. Some of these variations can be different enough to be classified as separate languages. However, scholars did not agree upon a consistent set of parameters which might define what ought to be referred to as a language and what should be considered a dialect. It has been suggested that the wording "language" should be reserved for idioms recognized as separate languages by ISO 639-2. Otherwise, the term "dialect" should be used.


 * or Italian dialects:
 * "The label "Italian dialects" is often but ambiguously used. Dialects of Italian are varieties of Standard Italian, and they should not be confused with the varieties sometimes labelled Dialects of Italy, which, according to Ethnologue, belong to different branches of the family of Romance languages.


 * If you think that this concept is badly expressed I may agree with you (I'm not an English mother-speaker) - but the mere fact is that most of the languages commonly called "dialects" are NOT, linguistically speaking, dialects.


 * If you want the books - well, I can advise (in Italian :- (maybe I can put them on a footnote - but I don't know how):
 * L. Lepschy e G. Lepschy, La lingua italiana: storia, varietà d'uso, grammatica, Milano, Bompiani
 * G. Berruto, La sociolinguistica, Bologna, Zanichelli


 * Bye! Xain it 23:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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