User talk:Xaosflux/Archive34

Blank single-author pages
Hi. You asked a while back at DBR about a better version of Database reports/Blank single-author pages. If it's any help, I've replicated the query with a bigger limit at Quarry. It needs some tidying up - you will have to download the results and manually translate the namespace number to actual namespace using the table at the top of Namespace, so "1 AltiGator" needs to become Talk:AltiGator and so on, and the handling of Unicode characters needs some attention, but apart from that it should be good enough for your purposes. Cheers.Le Deluge (talk) 15:55, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! — xaosflux  Talk 17:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Your signature
In the "Talk" part of your signature, could I interest you in instead of. The colour hurts my eyes (it's trivial but wouldn't hurt to ask, would it). --QEDK ( T &#9749;  C ) 16:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm OK to change to a different shade, let me mock some up, not sure if I'm in love with 4c924c (I try for ones in the Web_colors list) What do you think of these below? —  xaosflux  Talk 17:51, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) 00FF00 (current for comparison):
 * Talk
 * 1) 00FF33:
 * Talk
 * 1) 00FF66:
 * Talk
 * 1) 00CC33:
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 * 1) 00CC66:
 * Talk
 * 1) 009933:
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 * My eyes say yes to the last 3. (Thanks!) --QEDK ( T &#9749;  C ) 18:47, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ — xaosflux  Talk 18:50, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Lovely. -- QEDK  ( T  &#9749;  C ) 19:12, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

TE
The discussion around the rights to be bundled in Page mover has set me thinking. would seem to be of most use in relation to templates which, in the cases which require TE attention, usually come with the set of /sandbox, /testcases, and /doc. Should the priv be added to the TE set? Can't say that I've come across a situation in the 9 months I've been servicing requests at TPERTable, but it seems a logical step to ensure that TEs would be able to service the full set of requests. Your thoughts please? Bazj (talk) 19:01, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't specifically object to this, but don't think it is that needed. The place it is the most needed is talk pages, which may have tons of archives.  Most templates that are TE protected are fairly "stable" - and not often renamed (moved). If someone was involved in moving template around a lot, then they certainly could qualify for the proposed page-mover as well. —  xaosflux  Talk 21:15, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Then again, I see TE as "more advanced" tha the proposed page-mover, so that makes perfect sense to me. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  21:35, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Null edit
That was a dummy edit, not a null edit. ;) nyuszika7h (talk) 14:19, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well yes it was :D — xaosflux  Talk 14:30, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Rapid MfD deletions
Hi Xaosflux,

I am sure your closes are right, but looking at a couple:


 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Shiva eng2002/Veeramani.K "Non-notable musician with no references". These are so common and so obvious, it should be a speedy criterion?  Little issue with a SNOW delete, except maybe for a SNOW on the first day on the basis on the nomination statement, maybe in your close you should assert that the nom is right?


 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Shiv Chhatrapati/India and World special days "Mix of English and Hindi? No references."  Now that's a weak rationale.  Presumably when you looked at the article, you saw it would be a SNOW delete.  I trust you, but could you at least give a CSD-like justifying rationale.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:30, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Unless you want to really contest these, I'm not going back to them (in which case I'll revert and let them run) - but will try to put more context in to future snow closes.  If I'm closing per snow it is not strictly a CSD criteria, but those that I think really have no chance at MfD (regardless of the nominators statement).  We've had a huge backlog at MfD lately and I'm trying to get it under control.  I do look at every page I delete prior to deleting and am a huge advocate of merging histories to ensure even the smallest oldest attributions are maintained.  I think we still have a project wide gap on what should and what should not be allowed in non-article space, including all the variants of sandboxes and drafts that are "core content" related; I can see the POV's of the people that say who cares-put anything and the "this better become an article very soon" camps - but the overall community consensus is still very gray.  Sorry to ramble on and on here - let me know if you want to actually object to any speedy I make, I will almost always revert unless it is obvious disruption (attack pages/blatant copyvio/etc). —  xaosflux  Talk 03:59, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Xaosflux. No, no intention to contest, but just a little more context would be great.  Thanks for working on the horrendous backlog.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * (and also directed at Xaosflux) What would your thoughts be on proposing a couple obvious speedy deletion criteria to help limit the needed nominations? I've admittedly been one of the worst offenders in contributing to the backlog because I've been trying to weed out some of the incredibly obvious spam from the draft/user space. There's probably a few categories that could be made into speedy deletion criteria for the draftspace (not userspace) with no major objection. The one that comes to mind immediately is "Biographies of living persons where the primary subject is a minor (less than eighteen years of age) or group of minors and no reliable sources are provided." ~ RobTalk 08:24, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have long noted a missing BLP CSD. BLP deletions are longstanding practice, but undocumented.  I suggest "Unsourced private information on a child or private individual, or any unsourced negative material on any living person."  Pages consisting predominantly of this should be deleted.  Small amounts in an otherwise acceptable page should be removed per WP:BLP.  Use of Revision deletion may be appropriate.  I think this would cover BU Rob13's desire.
 * New CSD criteria need to be well drafted to get a serious hearing.
 * NB. In my grumpy moments over busywork nominations, I don't consider BU Rob13 to be an offender.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:41, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * In regards to a new CSD, I don't think the age of the subject should be a primary factor; GNG is too rigorous for drafting, but perhaps a DNG where there should be some assertions that the GNG will ever be reachable should be required within some timeline of starting the draft. — xaosflux  Talk 11:26, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think my page is the best place to come up with an answer, but personally I think WP:DRAFTPROD should be revived, but tweaked, perhaps a longer wait period (a month?) and be inclusive of any encyclopedic content that is being drafted (not necessarily only the draft namespace, but also user subpages exclusive of generic sandboxes -- which can easily be reset). — xaosflux  Talk 11:26, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll let y'all decide whether to bring this up. Last time I made a policy proposal, I was personally attacked, so I'm not too keen to repeat that. You guys have more experience in this area than I do as well. Drop me a talk page message if you propose any draft CSD criteria. ~ RobTalk 02:51, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Why can't I find your rights log where you were granted sysop and more....
You should run for crat. -- QEDK ( T  &#9749;  C ) 19:17, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * They are hidden away, just kidding they are right here, but not easily retrieved due to a bug (they were issued using the old interface that allowed inputting a lowercase letter for the first character and executing the change). Thanks for the nod, I've thought about it, but the needs for crats is pretty low still - I was about to "run" for oversight last time, but a personal commitment was keeping me off line for a bit - will probably throw my hat in to that one if it comes around again. —  xaosflux  Talk 19:32, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Seriously, why aren't you a crat yet? You've been around for so long, you are one of our most active behind the scenes admin and someone who knows all the policies inside out. You already oversee the BAG and regularly provide valuable input at BN. Yours would be a much welcome addition to the bureaucrat group. - NQ (talk)  19:38, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ofc he would be and I'm pretty sure he'd sail through RfB too. I insist that you run for crat, considering you're one of our long-standing and valuable admins of the community. -- QEDK ( T  &#9749;  C ) 11:50, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I second that. Kharkiv07  ( T ) 12:45, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Regarding your comment
I was curious, so I searched the system and I could only ever find one appeal that was related to one of your blocks. It appears that very few users find your blocks arguable.--v/r - TP 01:42, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's usually just blatant vandals and naughty bots :D —  xaosflux  Talk 01:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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User:Mccullochker/sandbox
Hi. My point is never to make work for other editors. So, in the future, if I come upon a stale draft which was incorrectly created on the main sandbox of a user, should I simply blank and put the sandbox template on the page (as you did)? Or should I still G13 it, and let an admin do it? Thanks.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:51, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There was nothing "wrong" with what you did, and these are very much a case-by-case type of call. Basically when these are contested they end up at MFD and normally then unless there is a good argument (like copyright violation, attack page, serious blp concerns, etc) the trend is that User:User/Sandbox type pages are normally just blanked, while User:User/SomeArticleSoundingName get more discussion as to redirecting/mergering/moving to draft/etc.  I've found the best way to deal with other people's primary sandboxes is normally to just ignore them, however if they are in categories/using non-free images then  or  can easily be applied.  I tend to use the later if there was significant content of only one subject.  Hope this answers your questions, please let me know if I missed anything. —  xaosflux  Talk 13:23, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks for the response. I'll keep those parameters in mind. However, I guess I was asking regarding the specific instance at G13. As I said, my goal is never to create more work for other editors, so if I can do something differently which makes it unnecessary for another editor to get involved, I'm more than willing to do it. With that in mind, if I come across a sandbox at G13 is it appropriate for me to do an edit like this? Or should I G13 it? Thanks again.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:00, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think blanking it like that is the most appropriate in that case, had it been User:Pankaj1989007/Institute of Aeronautical engineering though I'd go the G13 route - the only difference being a page title - but the MfD trend leans in that direction. There is still much discussion going on regarding "draft" type cleanups in the various forums.  If you do go the G13 route, I'd leave the user who's page you nominated a note as well on their main talk so that if they come back they know what went on - this is also subjective but is more useful if the editor is recent (say last edit within the year) and "younger" (say this was their only edit, or they had very few edits) - so as not to confuse them (newer editors can get lost looking at log messages). Please note, this is not "official policy", just my experience as a long time admin. —  xaosflux  Talk 16:18, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. That's why I was asking you, because of your long-time experience. Be well.  Onel 5969  TT me 03:27, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Restriction-edit
Hey Xaosflux. The value of is visible in the protection log. I don't think (Note: Extended confirmed protection has restricted usage, see above.) should be visible there. (CC: ) —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 04:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the note, I deleted that message again. — xaosflux  Talk 11:09, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Marcus Kirlianis
For the deletion it says Articles for deletion/Marcus Kirlianis, which that xfd does not exist. Wgolf (talk) 23:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure why there is that speedy on the page at all. Wgolf (talk) 23:41, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note - I reverted that, and removed the invalid CSD nomination, I left the aging BLPPROD notice. — xaosflux  Talk 23:42, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Help with page you deleted
Please help me. You deleted a page I've been working on for months. Called "Redefy Real Estate". This is my first attempt at a Wiki and I had submitted it several times, each time working on the things that needed to be improved. I went back to add more references because it needed more to be notable. I was surprised to find it deleted. Please, please, is there a way to get the code back? I really am working to get this published and I don't want to start over. Please respond! Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SRoberts1988 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 13 May 2016 (UTC) Oh sorry, I didn't see your reply below. I sent you my email address. Thank you! SRoberts1988 (talk) 20:38, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Draft:Redefy Real Estate
 * following this discussion Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Redefy Real Estate - the commenters were of like mind that the draft article for Redefy was never going to meet the Notability Guidelines. Simply adding links is not enough to make something notable, and I agree that the draft really did read more like an advertisement than an encyclopedia entry.  What makes this specific company notable? —  xaosflux  Talk 22:56, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I will happily email you a copy of the article if you want to develop it outside of wikipedia for a future try - if you want this use the Email this user link to the left so I can get your email address, then leave a note here. — xaosflux  Talk 22:58, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅Emailed. — xaosflux  Talk 03:00, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Edit conflict at Protection policy
Looks like we essentially EC'd, saying substantially the same thing. How do you want to resolve this? Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 20:12, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Certainly not be edit warring :D I'm trying to figure out exactly what we broke from each other ... just a min. —  xaosflux  Talk 20:18, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Mock Up
- so as not to thrash the policy page, what do you think of this: (make changes as you think are needed). — xaosflux  Talk 20:23, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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86.58.36.235
Please block user:86.58.36.235 for vandalism. 2602:306:3357:BA0:8DB8:C6E6:5396:67C7 (talk) 21:22, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It appears that is already looking in to this. —  xaosflux  Talk 21:29, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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RD
Note to any admin, if I'm behind on any guideline that doesn't support moving blurb-->RD feel free to revert my Muhammad Ali change. — xaosflux  Talk 01:40, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like this went over just fine. — xaosflux  Talk 15:15, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

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TWL HighBeam check-in
Heyo Xaosflux. Just wanted to leave a note that the message delivery bot did not leave a time-stamp. Perhaps to other recipients as well which would cause archiving problems. Cheers,  Ya  sh  !   12:09, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note - if you think it will would be best I could have a bot go through and add a time stamp to everyone? —  xaosflux  Talk 15:08, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know if that is possible but that could help.  Ya  sh  !   18:30, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I had Special:Contributions/Fluxbot clean it up for me, thanks for the note. —  xaosflux  Talk 20:32, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Question on general endash task
Would you mind commenting on whether a general task as described at Bots/Requests_for_approval/BU_RoBOT_21 for all templates within Category:Sportsperson infobox templates would be worth submitting? There were no errors I'm aware of on either that task or task 16, but I'm not sure if such a general task would be considered too broad. ~ RobTalk 23:03, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * what is the approx transclusion count? — xaosflux  Talk 23:09, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Almost 186,000 for every template in that category combined (minus the couple I've already done or am doing manually because I'm combining this with other cleanup tasks that must be semi-auto). The actual edits would be significantly lower. For instance, Infobox basketball biography has 11,731 transclusions but pre-parse brings the number of edits down to just 550. If a similar percentage applies to other templates, we could expect under 10,000 edits. It could be higher, though, since the editors in the basketball topic area tend to be fairly diligent with using endashes. ~ RobTalk 23:27, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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RfB
One of your answers has a sentence commencing "I occasionally processing requests ..." You may wish to tweak it. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:56, 5 July 2016 (UTC).


 * Thank you, I fixed the verb tense. — xaosflux  Talk 19:57, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

You've got mail!
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 * replied. — xaosflux  Talk 19:58, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

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Barnstar

 * You are welcome, whenever I pop in I check the editprots, waiting stinks! — xaosflux  Talk 02:42, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Interface edit request
Could you please change MediaWiki:Right-extendedconfirmed to Edit pages protected as "Require extended confirmed access" to be inline with the autoconfirmed, template editor, etc. Thanks. &mdash; Music1201  talk  04:37, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ — xaosflux  Talk 13:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

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Good luck on RFB!
For some reason I thought you already are a bureaucrat.FabledGold (talk) 18:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! — xaosflux  Talk 19:04, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

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