User talk:Xcentaur/Archive 1

Invitation and Recommendations for writing articles on Hindi Wikipedia
 Hindi wikipedia invites and welcomes Wikipedians to contribute for the cause of spreading knowledge and the Hindi language. This page contains guidelines for writing a wiki-article on any topic at the Hindi Wikipedia, with special recommendations for writing in Hindi (Note: The script/font-family for Hindi is Devanāgari; the script/font-system for English is Roman script, also, the Hindi spelling system is not completely standardized). This article is yet in English language (mostly), in order to encourage even non-native/foreign people who have learnt/are learning Hindi to contribute to the Hindi wikipedia, and native Hindi speakers who normally write in English. The examples given below are only for explanation.

Recommendations:
 * 1) Firstly for proper viewing, it is recommended to keep all links NOT-UNDERLINED. Otherwise the मात्रा below the Hindi alphabets might get partly hidden behind the underlines. For this, please go to My Preferences (मेरी पसंद) at the top of the page, then click Misc., and then choose "underline links -> Never". Save your settings. Also, do not click yes for "justify paragraphs", otherwise on some browsers, the devanagari script will appear highly distorted.
 * 2) All users are requested and encouraged to contribute articles here, especially, to create new articles on general topics. They are also encouraged to expand the existing articles, and improve upon them. A non-user can also do the same; it is recommended but not required to register yourself as a wikipedian user at the Hindi wikipedia. As far as possible, each article should be written with a Neutral Point of View (NPOV)—no nationalistic or partiality or hatred based articles are welcome. The articles should be based on facts—and appropriate references should be provided as and where needed. See the English wiki's help page for editing in general. Almost all the general wiki-features are available for editing on Hindi wiki too. Guidelines for the content matter is mostly the same as given in English wiki.
 * 3) Since the Hindi wiki is at its initial stages, users are welcome to take introduction and basic points from the English (or another) wikipedia's corresponding article and translate them for small articles. An in-page link to the English wiki's article will be deemed sufficient for references (a template might be created stating this). For longer articles, it is recommended to mention the references separately.
 * 4) Since most computer users in India and elsewhere have the standard Western-type keyboard, it is best recommended (but not necessarily required) to use the virtual (software) keyboard like the one of Hindimozhi or of ISIS (Tavultesoft Keyman)—which are freewares. These are advantageous because the contemporary Hindi-speakers in India often write messages/chat using Hindi words but written in Roman (English) script, and the layout of these keyboards is quite the same that such people use. For example, using the "normal" keyboard with this software, typing ga would give ग and ghaa would give घा.
 * 5) Create the article with its name written in Hindi (devanagari script). Always take care to include the nukta (dot below) for foreign / Urdu loanwords wherever it occurs in the standard spelling. For non-Indian names, use that spelling (for article name and other words) which is commonly encountered in Hindi newspapers, G.K.-books, Hindi-dubbed TV documentaries and Hollywood films and magazines. e.g., America-अमरीका (या अमेरिका), China-चीन, French-फ़्रांसिसी. For English acronyms/short-forms, use the initials in Roman script, and again create a full form in Hindi and redirect it to the short form. e.g. IPA (अन्तर्राष्ट्रीय ध्वनि वर्णाक्षर); UNO (संयुक्त राष्ट्र संघ). Doing the opposite is also fine. But creating the article with the Hindi short form, as सं०रा०सं०, is not recommended. Also, the article proper must be written with the proper nukta, as फ़ारसी, and then, a non-nukta (mis-)spelt version फारसी should preferably be created to redirect to the correct spelling.
 * 6) Hindi wikipedia strongly recommends the users to write articles in everyday common Hindi in the खड़ीबोली dialect (Hindustani or Hindi-Urdu, i.e., बोलचाल वाली हिन्दी, which may include many loanwords from Persian and Arabic). The use of शुद्ध संस्कृतनिष्ठ हिन्दी is in general neither required nor recommended. E.g., use: वजह instead of कारण, ख़ास instead of विशेष, वगैरह instead of इत्यादि, लेकिन instead of परन्तु etc. However, for technical and specialized vocabulary, the use of शुद्ध संस्कृतनिष्ठ हिन्दी  is recommended and usually mandatory. Thus: upper House of Parliament—संसद का उच्च सदन, but not Urdu—मजिलिस का ऐवान-ए-बाला ; Foreign Minister—विदेशमन्त्री, but not Urdu—वज़ीर-ए-ख़ारिजा ; knowledge/science—ज्ञान/विज्ञान, but not इल्म. Use spoken Hindi's ये and वो instead of यह and वह / वे. Do not use the title of respect जी after names, it is unencyclopedic. Thus: कृष्ण / श्री कृष्ण but not कृष्ण जी. Use the आप form and its corresponding 3rd person verbal conjugation for writing about respectable persons. Thus: श्री वाजपेयी मध्य प्रदेश में जन्मे थे. But not: वाजपेयी मध्य प्रदेश में जन्मा था. But do not use the pronoun "आप" itself in-text in biographies.
 * 7) English should be used sparingly, only when required; i.e., if the corresponding शुद्ध हिन्दी word is too "difficult and not generally encountered", or if it is a proper name of non-Indian person/place/terminology/title, or if the user is highly unsure of the proper translation. It is recommended (but not required) for English-to-Hindi translation while writing articles, the Shabdkosh online dictionary should be used. For each English word, that alternative should be used which is generally encountered in everyday spoken Hindi, and also fits well into the context. Use of intelligent guesses for newly encountered words is also allowed, and so are translations encountered in Hindi-dubbed TV documentaries, Hollywood films, Hindi-translated books, etc. e.g., दमपिशाच for en:Dementor (used in dubbed HP films).
 * 8) If used, it is recommended to use the English words within the articles using the English (Roman) alphabets rather than devanagari (or better, the devanagari transliteration should be used in the sentence, followed by the English word in Roman alphabet in parentheses). Such words should be italicized and not put in quotation marks. Preferably, there should be an in-page interwiki link (like :en:) on the word to the English wikipedia. If the word comes as an integral part of a sentence, so as not to break the continuity, the en: prefix should be hidden by writing the word again after the pipe sign (piped link). Thus, recommended:  Whence,
 * 9) *हैरी पॉटर ने Pensieve के अन्दर Little Hangleton गाँव में लॉर्ड वोल्डेमॉर्ट की माँ Merope Gaunt को देखा
 * 10) *Resplendent Quetzal पक्षी के ऊपर एक मेक्सिकन पादरी डा० Pablo de la Llave ने काफ़ी शोध किया था
 * 11) Always start the first 1 or 2 lines of the article giving its definition (from any standard dictionary/other wiki) or suitable introduction. Thus, recommended: ललिता सहस्रनामन हिन्दू धर्मसुधारक आदि शंकराचार्य द्वारा रचित देवी दुर्गा को समर्पित एक पूजा-मन्त्र है, जिसे कई हिन्दू रोज़ श्रद्धा से जपते हैं । But not: ललिता सहस्रनामन मन्त्र जपने के लिये लड्डू-पेड़ा, ताम्बुल, सिन्दूर, लाल चुनरी के साथ नित्य इस मन्त्र का पाठ करें, तो जल्द ही गड़ा हुआ ख़जाना मिलेगा । Recommended: वैमानिक अभियान्त्रिकी (en:Aeronautical engineering) विमानों (en:Aircrafts) की अभिकल्पना, निर्माण और प्रचालन करने का विज्ञान, कला और कार्य है । (translated from Eng. Webster's New World Dictionary). But not: आजकल वैमानिक अभियान्त्रिकी के लिये देशभर में कई कॉलेज खुल गये हैं, जिनमें अग्रणी स्थान यूटोपिया स्थित लालू-यादव टेक्लिनक कॉलेज का है ।
 * 12) For names of countries, cities, places, languages, people, books, films, technical vocabulary, mythology, etc, start the article like this:
 * 13) * 1.
 * 14) * 2.
 * 15) * 3. phonological transcription
 * 16) * 4.  For country names, only the standard short form of the name is needed in the first line. If there is a common name for a difficult word in Hindustani, also mention it. Whence: अपोलो (अंग्रेज़ी : en:Apollo; यूनानी : Aπollων अपोल्लोन) प्राचीन यूनानी धर्म (ग्रीक धर्म) और प्राचीन रोमन धर्म के सर्वोच्च देवता थे । If you don't give the interwiki English/another language link (which would be deemed to be the default reference), then you MUST provide an appropriate reference.
 * 17) Please leave no article without an appropriate category. See the list of created categories here; you can also make a new category (pref. in Hindi). Please leave no article without at least ONE off page (like en:) interwiki link. E.g., the user can check the article name (say Apollo) on the finally redirected English page and append to the Hindi article . These interlanguage links will help a bot to update all interwiki links for that article in all wikipedias. The category and the aforementioned link should be typed at the end of the article. If the article is very small, mention it as a stub/substub.
 * 18) Use of templates is welcome. See the list of templates here. If creating a template, name it pref. in Hindi.
 * 19) Use पूर्णविराम ( । ) instead of a period (.) for ending statements. The पूर्णविराम, semicolon, colon and dash (but not comma) must come after one space after the word to prevent ambiguity. Use the international form of the Hindu-Arabic numerals (1,2,3 instead of १,२,३), as used by the Constitution and the Government of India (even for Hindi). There is no need to use the हलन्त at the end of Sanskrit words wherever it occurs. Hence, prefer: संसद over संसद्; अथर्वन over अथर्वन्. Use the proper quotation marks “” from the Insert toolbox, not "". Write dates as 2 मई 2006 (ईसवी or ईसापूर्व). Write time as 3:45 pm. Separate common suffix-words like शास्त्र, विज्ञान, ज्ञान with a hyphen. Thus: रसायन-शास्त्र. For most others, leave both the words of the noun-cluster free. Combine them into one word only if it is very common to do so. Thus: सामवेद.
 * 20) The use of ज़ for the en:voiced alveolar fricative (/z/, as in zoo, rose) is fundamentally wrong. Its nearest counterpart is the en:voiceless alveolar fricative /s/ (as in sea), and not Hindi ज (en:voiced palatal plosive). Hence, it is suggested and recommended that for the sound /z/, whether it comes in English (etc.) spellings (z) for while pronunciation otherwise, should be transcribed as स़ (स with a dot below, available in the Insert toolbox). Hence: Reason रीस़न, not रीज़न ; Roses रोस़ेस़, not रोज़ेज़. But common Hindi words borrowed from Persian/Arabic (so-called Urdu words) are allowed to continue with ज़ spelling. Thus: ज़रा, नज़र, तर्ज़. The en:voiced postalveolar fricative (/ʒ/ as in treasure), inexistent in Hindi, can similarly be transcribed with श़. Thus: treasure ट्रॅश़र. The nukta (dot) available in the Insert toolbox can be combined with various consonants to suggest a more exact phonetic devanagari rendering of foreign sounds. E.g., since phonetically, English Think and this are not equal to थिंक and दिस, a better transcription could be थ़िंक and द़िस. Please take care of the dot below in so-called Urdu words, otherwise the Hindi spelling is deemed incorrect.
 * 21) For the following English vowels met, mate, mat, transcribe as मॅट (short vowel), मेट (not मेइट), मैट (not मॅट, as popular in Marathi). However in contemporary Hindi and here, it is acceptable to use ए instead of ऍ. Thus: अमेरिका is more popular than अमॅरिका. For cot, coat, caught, transcribe as कॉट, कोट, कॉट (not कौट). Transcribe English /t/ and /d/ as ट and ड.
 * 22) Use half-न before त, थ, द, ध, न, instead of anuswaar अं. Use half-म before प, फ, ब, भ, म. Use the anuswaar before all the rest of the consonants (not half-ङ, ञ, ण). If the मात्रा is not above the alphabet, use chandra-bindu, but only for nasalization. Thus: अन्दर, not अंदर ; अन्त, not अंत ; हिन्दी, not हिंदी ; सम्भव, not संभव ; पंचमी, not पञ्चमी ; अंडा, not अण्डा ; कंठ, not कण्ठ ; लैंड, not लैण्ड ; आँख, not आंख. However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here; the prec. are just recommendations.
 * 23) When proceded by another vowel, use the pure vowels instead of य (unless the य is clearly articulated while pronouncing). Thus : जाएँ, not जायें (not जावें) ; आएगा, not आयेगा . However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here.
 * 24) Please pay careful attention to the masculine/feminine gender (and singular/plural) in adjectives and verbs, else the sentence becomes ungrammatical.

For more information/suggestions/criticisms, please contact any one of the administrators of Hindi wiki here, preferably en:User:Magicalsaumy.

This page can also be found here. Thank you,

Cygnus_hansa 02:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Notice
A tag has been placed on Suhana Khan, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company or website, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable. If you can indicate why Suhana Khan is really notable, I advise you to edit the article promptly, and also put a note on Talk:Suhana Khan. An admin should check for such edits before deleting the article. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 7 under Articles. You might also want to read our general biography criteria. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. To contest the tagging and request that admins should wait a while for you to assert his/her/their notability, please affix the template  to the page, and then immediately add such an assertion. It is also a very good idea to add citations from reliable sources to ensure that your article will be verifiable.

Please note, being the progeny of somebody famous is not grounds for notability. She can be mentioned in her father's page. --Storkk 16:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries: everybody's entitled to some exploring and mistakes :-). There are so many pages of policies and guidelines here, that asking people to read them all before contributing would kill the project. I look forward to seeing your contributions in the future! Have a good day/evening/night. --Storkk 16:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: your comment on my talk page
Hi. You asked me to do something about an IP... I'm not an admin, and so cannot block anybody. For your information, the correct place to report this is WP:AIV. They will, however, not do anything against the ip you mentioned, seeing as they have not had any recent warnings, and the vandalism count seems to be very low right now: no edits for 5 days. Please read this policy about dealing with vandals. Thanks, and feel free to contact me again on my talk page. Cheers & happy editing! --Storkk 18:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism.
I'm not vandalising Danny Jones' page I'm correcting it.

Someone else keeps putting crap on it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.142.194.162 (talk) 18:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Thank you. Sorry for contributing to the nonsense. Next time I'll do what you told me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.142.194.162 (talk • contribs).

subst
When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use &#123;&#123;subst:test&#125;&#125; instead of &#123;{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. Rettetast 18:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No need to be sorry. You are fighting the good fight:-) and doing a great job. Happy editing. Rettetast 18:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Howard Street Charter School
Hello,

Thank you for your stub submission. You may wish to note that it is preferable to use a stub template from WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types instead of using simply, if you can.

Thanks! --Vox Causa 22:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Stub Sorting can be tedious, but it helps to categorize things. (Plus, wen you get into a rhythm like I do, it does not seem as tedious). Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia!--Vox Causa 22:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I (personally attending Mainland High School) find it embarrassing hat our students feel the need to vandalize the rivals page after one lost football game. I was also embarrassed that many other schools had a decent page, and our was vandalized by our own students. By the way, i caught another of your stubs at Joseph Toye, just to let you know.--Vox Causa 22:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

hello
Hello. I did not mean to erase the Inuyasha page. I referred the tessaiga as to the english word tetsaiga. I soon saw my mistake and i changed all tetsaiga's back to tessaiga. Thank you. (I just wanted to explain.)XxInfectionxX 19:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

mrs. smitherman
I did not create the mrs. smitherman page but I did place the "speedy delete" tag on it. I did this because the page has no useful content of any sort. Please do not accuse me of vandalism I did not commit, and please do not clutter my talk page with condescending messages. 150.113.7.99 19:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for making this place unfriendly
I added a factbox and many other useful and encyclopedic things to the Hiawatha, Iowa post, and merely edited the iformation that was in there to remove prepositions. I did not feel like removing something that someone else wrote, and don't accuse me of doing it when I did not write the information you are referring to. Lets no tclutter my talk page with threats towards me when every addition I have made is a useful one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bassdog65 (talk • contribs)

Thank You
Thank you for reverting vandalism on my user page. I am certain it is from an IP blocked two days ago known as User talk:Weberavin - Blocked as vandalism / spam only account. I will be keeping an eye, as if this is the case then I will request and admin for another block. Once again, many thanks. Pete Orme 08:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

FOUR GUARDIANS
Ok, you're freaking me out. Who are you and why did you put up the Four Guardians Prophecy under the Knock Airport Prophecy? If you can get around to it, please email me at Jasmalt@aol.com. I REALLY need to talk to you!

-- Clay/Fox/Earth/Emily —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.131.152.199 (talk) 22:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC).


 * (mailed reply)  Erm, I dint put up the Four Guardians prophecy. It was put up there and I simply formatted it. I suspected it wasnt supposed to be there, but as I have no knowledge of the subject, I did what I could and left... Are you helping with that page? If you are sure that it shouldnt be there, please do remove it. Thanks!
 * Take care,
 * xCentaur xCentaur | talk  10:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

GIR
Please stop reverting my changes. It is difficult to clean up a page when you have someone constantly undoing everything. Please tell me why you believe that redundancy is necessary and I will stop attempting to fix it.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.87.252 (talk • contribs)

Edit: Received 'final warning' for vandalizing after repeated attempts at fixing redundancy issues. Should be known that aforementioned user harasses unsigned editors and GIR page improvements abandoned and former unsatisfactory versions reverted. Happy Holidays everyone.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.87.252 (talk • contribs)

Re
One of the mistaken warnings I removed was one that I issued. Generally, where no reason for removals of apparently legitimate content from pages is stated, linked, or referenced in edit summaries, the content removals are reverted as vandalism. The problem here may have been that your initial warning to this user was template:test2a, which simply states that content removals are vandalism, without qualification. A better initial warning for unexplained, but potentially legitimate, content removals might be template:test1a, which explains that the reasons for the removal of content need to be specified. John254 22:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

You won!!!
You won my competition by being the 28th signer of my list! Congratulations, I will think of something to give to you (on Christmas maybe). Cheers! &mdash; Arjun  23:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Efren
No, Im done attempting to get some reject editor to allow me to be connected to this encyclopedia. If they cannot make the connection with the sources I have provided(which are legitimate,btw) I don't want to be a part of the content. In fact, it would be my distinct pleasure to "talk" to whoever continues to "speedily delete" without checking sources, or does it not matter to this "free encylopedia" and its editors to dialog. What it sounds like to me is that someone has not done their homework and more than likely is using their own subjective opinion as to notability eg current radio play or some other issue. In earlier talk, I stated that I was connected to at least two other people that are on Wikipedia prior to being deleted. Please remove my contribution on Billy Thermal. I do not want my name associated with your organization. I would like speedy deletion from any reference to me on Billy Steinberg's page or otherwise I have edited the Billy Thermal page myself. Thanks, Efren Efrenespinosa 00:52, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Plagiarism
copying an entire new york times article is plagiarism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.190.42 (talk • contribs)


 * On the Michael E. DeBakey page, under health issues, an ENTIRE new york times article, including the byline is copied into the article. that is plagiarism and should be removed entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.190.42 (talk • contribs)


 * merry christmas to you too, i will see if i can get something started.


 * thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.190.42 (talk • contribs)

Disney vandals
Aren't trolls fun? sigh ‣tregoweth (talk) 19:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

That user is now blocked. ‣tregoweth (talk) 19:14, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I would have blocked him for longer; if he continues vandalizing when the current block ends, he'll get at least a week from me. ‣tregoweth (talk) 19:23, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

RE: Efren
You are a very bright and wise person. If you're a young person, you're wise beyond your years. I hope this is the case. We could sure use it nowdays. I wish you the best in all of your endeavors but it doesn't do me any good to continue to submit either my own history or others when someone is arbitrarily deleting it. I really don't have the time to keep submitting material that is well thought out, takes time to gather and write and some ding-dong decides to delete. Anyways, keep up the good work. I'll check in from time to time and keep in touch. www.myspace.com/vincemichaels EEfrenespinosa 21:12, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Amy Dumas and Stephanie McMahon
The Amy Dumas page is a clear-cut case of original research that has been conclusively discussed on the article's talk page. As for the Stephanie McMahon page, you should explain how the paragraph I deleted has any encyclopaedic merit before re-inserting it. 84.13.27.132 20:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

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 * It's still original research. If you want to argue that the names are "popular among fans" then you need to provide a reference for this. 84.13.27.132 21:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:83.67.138.19
Talk:England Comment removed because I was the writer. I wasn't logged in. I am White43 and the above is my IP address.White43 22:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


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Chris Murray
Thats quite possibly the least relevant chris murray in world history... Dukes, Princes and other Celtic royalty used to be listed under that page. To replace history with a hack job musician is a travesty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.217.39 (talk • contribs)


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User:Jose(Cha-Cha)Jimenez
Cha-Cha pretty routinely edits his own user page from anonymous IP addresses; I think he hasn't fully gotten the hang of the wiki; anyway, I'd leave anon IP edits to that page alone unless they seem hostile. Also, there is no requirement that he provide references on his own user page, so is not appropriate.

I frankly wish he were easier to work with in terms of providing references, or placing this on a site that was explicitly his own so we could cite it, because clearly he would be worth an article, but as it is, I've just been trying to help him out with the writing in the one place he seems to do it. I even tried talking to a historian who I know has worked on the Young Lords as a subject, and he said he'd to explain it to Cha-Cha, with whom he's in touch, but apparently to no avail. - Jmabel | Talk 07:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

what do you muscle-homos have against free speech and the truth?
I could care less if you want to marry your boyfriend but what do you have against the truth and free speech? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.10.102.231 (talk) 14:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC).


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