User talk:Xed/Archive5

congo articles
a crappy translation (altavista babelfish) of the german article that i believe you linked me to on the overall history, and the articles on the Kongo Empire, and the article Bakongo. im pretty sure it's all a combination of all three. the bottom section i'm not sure, it's basically a synthesis of a bunch of information from a bunch of sources. --Gozar 00:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. Dmcdevit·t 06:34, August 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * That must've been the FilePile thing. In the future, you might want to list it at WP:VIP or WP:AN/I to get more editors on the scene in order to avoid the risk of violating the 3RR. Also, I know a club you might want to join. Being a member is very relaxing, I can assure you. Cheers, &mdash; mark &#9998; 07:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Culture of DRC
Hello again.

First I finish the towns and their communes next week (like this one for example : fr:Kenya (Lubumbashi), I intend to do the complete administration structure alone), then I'll take a look.

For the culture, I guess a full encyclopedia is needed. There are more than 500 ethnies in the country !

If you are looking for more informations, you could take a look at : http://www.africamuseum.be/ It's the biggest african museum, and it stands in Brussels. It's the main source for ancient DRC culture (they've got less in Kinshasa).

No more pictures, exept if I go one of these days at the museum (100 miles from my home). I worked in Kinshasa in 2003 for Médecins Sans Frontières, but pictures were forbiden. If you take pictures, you are a spy ! No problem for your security, but it costs...

Vberger 11:01, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, me again. I'd be grateful if you could check and maybe add to the Culture of DRC article. There's probably more sources in French than English for the subject. Also, do you have any photos that could be used for it? - Xed 22:37, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

DRC culture/concerns with UN peacekeepers
i apologize for the latest of my reply, i have been busy. the culture article looks really good, i also discovered the Zaire: a country study link and found it to be excellent. overall it looks pretty good, i or (you) should add a section on congolese music and link to the article on that somewhere because that article is actually very good. also, talk about sports somewhere, and link to those articles, i think there a few, but i cant recall how well done they are.

also, i dont know what country you're from but in the US we have this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901289.html, going on in regards to the DRC. im hoping they approve the resolution despite, this http://www.heritage.org/Research/InternationalOrganizations/hl868.cfm. apparently UN troop abuse has been pretty extensive and i'm planning on adding this somewhere in the politics section for the main DRC page. i think we should even consider adding a section an entirely new article called "human rights in the DRC" or "human rights abuses in the DRC" because this can really be an article in itself. abuses under leopold and mobutu could possibly be included as well. let me know what you think of this idea as well as on the Congressional approval of the draft resolution. thanks. --Gozar 00:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Music and Sports sections for Culture of DRC will be added soon. I hope to expand and improve the Music of DRC article too, using the book mentioned in the Culture article (Rumba on the River) as a source. A "Human rights in DRC" article would be useful, focusing more on the current situation (but mentioning historical details as well). Of course, the abuses come not just from the UN, but from the DRC government and rebel groups in the east. Human rights in Myanmar and Human rights in Uganda seem like good models to base the article on. I have mixed feelings about the resolution. Like yourself, I'm a bit busy at the moment, but hope to contribute when I've got some time. - Xed 16:08, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

If I may say so, kudos on the culture of the Democratic Republic of Congo article. It's one of the best articles I've ever seen - and by the sound of it you're not even finished yet. Ambi 14:17, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Cheers - Xed 11:41, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Bills, DRC culture, Zaire
firstly, the bills article is pretty interesting, could be a fairly spectacular token 'obscure topic with tons of info on wikipedia' article(if you know what i mean). also, i think we can remove the bulleted list of what consists Christianity in the DRC culture article. just linking to 'Christianity' will probably do fine. im planning on doing a bunch of updating involving the Zaire Country Study, which will probably result in massive updating to the Zaire article and stubs on some of the Congolese independence and secessionist, as well as updating a several of the provincial stubs with histories, etc. However, the Zaire Country study has really good info on this, I am debating the merits of importing it wholesale via copy-pasting. I believe that this doesnt infringe on any copyrights because the study is a US government document and is available to the public, but somehow even if it can be done it seems somehow...easy? let me know.--Gozar 17:46, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Bills might be a bit obscure, but no less obscure than the thousands of articles about obscure US subjects (..Goa'uld..etc). They did have an impact on the culture (for instance, L Kabila often wore a stetson and was called the sheriff). One of the reasons it seems obsure is that there is little info about them on the internet. I'm not that interested in making articles where there is already lots of info about the subject on the internet. It's better to use books as a source, then at least the sum of knowledge on the internet grows. The bulleted list in the DRC culture article was there for easy comparison with the bulleted list in the "Indigenous traditional beliefs" section. I was wondering about Zaire - do obsolete countries have those country tables? The Zaire article could do with more info. As for pasting text in, it would be better if it was pasted into the talk page and then rewritten as it's put into the article. I could do some of the rewriting. - Xed 20:23, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * [[Image:WikiThanks.png|right]]Thanks for Bills &mdash; it's a great article, I wish Wikipedia had more cruft like this! Cheers, &mdash; mark &#9998; 21:15, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was hoping you'd know something about Hindoubill. - Xed 21:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No, I had never heard of it and having looked into it, I couldn't find anything about it. &mdash; mark &#9998; 21:45, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up at Mono. Nice catch! &mdash; mark &#9998; 22:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I've noticed that whenever a site (like languagehat.com) talks about an African language, there's usually a link to Wikipedia's article about it. Looking at the history of the articles, I invariably find yours and Mustafaas names. Cheers. - Xed 20:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikistalking
Please note that deliberately following another editor's contributions with the intention of starting conflicts or causing strife is greatly frowned upon, and users have been banned for it. Also, I am concerned that your accusations of "outsourcing" edit wars when contributors ask for other editors to have a look at a situation - doing so is both an assumption of bad faith (Something you have previously been reprimanded for) and could be considered a personal attack.

That said, I'm glad to see you're back and editing articles - you're doing some great work in the article namespace. Phil Sandifer 23:58, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * "deliberately following another editor's contributions with the intention of starting conflicts or causing strife is greatly frowned upon, and users have been banned for it". Sounds like bad faith to me. Why not ban yourself? - Xed
 * I apologize - may I ask why you are repeatedly going to articles you have never edited before and immediately starting conflicts with JayJG then? Phil Sandifer 00:03, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Stop stalking me. - Xed 00:04, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I am requesting a reopening of the arbcom case against you. Phil Sandifer 00:09, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * You were the ignorant bully who wrote that this article was "minor article edit" and went on to say "I fail to see the good contributions" and that it is that it is "absurd" to claim that I do any good work. You were the ignorant bully who stopped me from editing Wikipedia for several months. You get off on inciting people, and then banning them when they react. - Xed 00:17, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

more baiting User_talk:Snowspinner by Snowspinner (Phil Sandifer) - Xed 01:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Dude, your accusations don't even make any sense! Phil Sandifer 02:19, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * ditto - Xed 08:04, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Personal attack block
Hi, Xed. Since you're under a personal attack injunction, I have blocked you for 48 hoours for the "ignorant bully" attack on Snowspinner immediately above. Please don't let yourself be incited. Bishonen | talk 01:24, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Why not ban the inciter? - Xed 09:13, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I have replied by e-mail. Bishonen | talk 09:59, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment. As a matter of principle, administrators are not responsible for sorting out who is most to blame in any dispute. If the rules are stated and you break the rules, it is not unfair to be punished. This is the case regardless of who else has broken rules. Dystopos 15:52, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Snowspinner
Snowspinner has hated me for a long time becuase of the WP:CSB project I helped to start:. He baits baits me periodically. He knows he can get away with it. Admins have no responsibility. Last time I was blocked I told myself that I couldn't work on a thing like Wikipedia if there was people like Snowspinner in positions of power - he produces nothing but trivia and confrontation. Wikipedia's "anyone-can-edit" philosophy may be new, but it's undermined by the archaic power structure.

I'm not interested in another round of baiting by Snowspinner, who knows how to play to system more than he knows how to write articles. When are arbitrators going to do something about Snowspinner? When are admins going to have some accountability? The current lack of accountability amongst admins just encourages them to be tyrants.

Note this page, which he says is "notable"

and this, which he sneered at as a "minor article edit" and said that he "failed to see the good contributions" of mine.

This is the kind of encyclopedia you get with Snowspinner's bullying.

I was banned for 3 months because he dislikes WP:CSB. He uses the arbitration process to settle personal scores and to deliberately provoke his targets into reacting to him. Meanwhile, other admins just sit on the sidelines. When will it stop? Are the other admins afraid that if they try to stop him he will go after them? What does an admin have to do to be de-admined? Sacrifice a small child?

-Xed 08:21, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm sure the 19 personal attacks cited in your arbcom ruling, and the 13 diffs showing the widespread bad faith you have in the project had nothing to do with it. I didn't get you banned, Xed - you got yourself banned by systematically alienating and offending everyone who ever dared to disagree with you. I didn't even provoke you - the 19 personal attacks cited in your arbcom ruling? Not a single one was against me.
 * You can scream as loud as you want about the injustice of it all, but the facts are well documented, and louder than you'll ever hope to be. Phil Sandifer 09:14, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * "You can scream as loud as you want about the injustice of it all". Won't do any good, will it? Not against an admin who uses the Wikipedia process to settle personal scores. - Xed 10:05, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Sympathies regarding the arbitration case. I myself am about to be subject to penalties because I have criticized some of Phil's overzealous use of admin powers and hostile attitude. But don't get discouraged. The encyclopedia work, giving information to people, is what matters. Everyking 12:43, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I wish I could say that I'm surprised that Sandifer is baiting other people as well. I see from this that it's a bit of a habit for him. I just don't know why such a person could hold a position of authority. Surely, he should have some people skills and managerial competance. He couldn't run a bath. - Xed 13:11, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I would be more forgiving of him if he did actual article work. But no, he just dabbles in policy (and is usually wrong about it) and plays arbitration games against actual encyclopedia editors. Everyking 13:14, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there are many serious editors who would agree with you. He actually blocked one user for starting a Request for Comment about him. If that isn't abuse of admin powers I don't know what is. As User:Splash has said, his actions "serve only to stifle debate and slap perfectly good editors in the face" - Xed 14:51, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Hilariously, this little exchange is now being used against me by Snowspinner in my arbitration case. Everyking 08:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * That fits the pattern. As User:Mikkalai has said, his actions are "..incompatible with the position of an admin". - Xed 09:42, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration accepted
Requests for arbitration/Xed 2 has been accepted. Please place evidence on Requests for arbitration/Xed 2/Evidence. You are welcome to make suggestions and comments on Requests for arbitration/Xed 2/Workshop Fred Bauder 15:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for a great article (Culture of DRC)
(Passing on a message that appeared on my talk, but was adressed to you &mdash; mark &#9998;)

Thanks for a great article. I just finished reading Barbara Kingsolvers 'The Poisonwood Bible', and was looking for cultral information about Congo, and your article, I thought was very good. --Artoftransformation 10:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. My contributions seem to be welcomed by serious editors, though not by those admins whose actions echo the Milgram experiment. - Xed 16:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Reverts by Jayjg
The purpose of warning Jayjg about revert warring was to encourage him to use the dispute resolution process rather than trying to control content through reverting. There was no finding that the reverts he was doing were bad. Fred Bauder 16:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * "rather than trying to control content through reverting". Sadly, he continued doing that. By out-sourcing his reverting. The tragic thing is he has not been punished by the arbitration people. Could it be because he is a member? An unelected member at that. Now that Everyking has been stopped from criticising incompetent admins, will this become a more general policy? - Xed 16:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)