User talk:Xeno/Archive 12

Happy New Year!

 * cheers, you too! – xeno  ( talk ) 13:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Help!
There is a problem with a user who keeps leaving rude comments on my talk pages, won't stop. But now he wants to delete them all from my pages to conceal the evidence. I want his comments to stay to show what he said. I have patiently tried using humor with him (by referring to squirrels and calling myself one of the "simple folk"), but nothing works. Also, if you check his history, it seems most of his edits involve edit warring with people all over Wikipedia, and leaving them rude comments. Thus keeping the evidence on my own page could help others with him in the future. Can you keep him from continually and continually editing my pages, or perhaps give him a strong warning or consequence about rude behavior? Thanks!! 206.74.228.186 (talk) 19:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can do but you may need xeno to help on this one, remember that you can see what he has writen from the history of your user page and his contributions page and neither can be deleted. I'll try to give him a warning but he may proberly keep doing it so he may need to be temporary banned. er one thing though who is he and wait pages is he desecrating, that could help. --' The Ninjalemming '  19:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think this is what hes talking about. John Sloan (view / chat) 19:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I gather the AN has provided some resolution? – xeno  ( talk ) 13:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll let my edit history and contributions to Wikipedia speak for themselves. I thought we had reached some resolution at the AN, with User:Ad.minster saying what he wanted, but without attribution to me by name or link. However, today he has apparently decided that he is not willing to accept that resolution, and has stepped it up with direct personal attacks. See the AN for more information. Tb (talk) 18:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There's really not much I can do but to suggest you each go your separate ways... – xeno  ( talk ) 18:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to do so, but not with personal attacks in place on the page. Since I first deleted my comments from User:Ad.minster's page, my only interaction with him has been to address his complaint at AN, and to attempt to disengage.  If he is willing to delete references to me from his page, I would be satisfied. Tb (talk) 18:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hopefully Ad.minster will consider removing the content that troubles you and moving on as well... – xeno  ( talk ) 19:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for Assistance in Retrieving Deleted Article
Hello, you were recommended to me to possibly assist in retrieving a copy of a deleted article. The article in question is SierraSil and was deleted about a month ago. I am hoping that with sufficient editing, the article can be re-published. Thank you in advance for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seanjpf (talk • contribs) 19:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll have to leave this to Adolphus or xeno himself as I can't find the article in question, and there is no reference of it in the deletion log. Sorry. --' The Ninjalemming '  19:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ – xeno  ( talk ) 13:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for Undelete -- Żądło-Dąbrowski z Dąbrówki h. Radwan
I'd like to create a userspace version of a deleted article.

Żądło-Dąbrowski z Dąbrówki h. Radwan

It started out as Radwan Dąbrowski-Żądło Family, which had surmountable problems.

The delete votes piled up on this article, the article was moved to "Żądło-Dąbrowski z Dąbrówki h. Radwan" and was re-written, but it was still linked to the original "Radwan Dąbrowski-Żądło Family".

In Deletion Review, I was told if I want to restore the article, I needed to create a userspace version and then come back to Deletion Review with it.

Would you please undelete in my userspace the article "Żądło-Dąbrowski z Dąbrówki h. Radwan"?

-- Exxess (talk) 07:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * As with the above I could not find this article, when was it deleted; if I still can't find it then xeno may have to help. --' The Ninjalemming '  19:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ – xeno  ( talk ) 13:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the restoration! Much appreciated... -- Exxess (talk) 15:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Damn I'm useless, maybe I need to learn more about using the wiki; a lot more. --' The Ninjalemming '  21:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As a user, if you just went to the page in question, i.e. Żądło-Dąbrowski z Dąbrówki h. Radwan, then try to edit it, it will take you to this page which warns you about recreating it and should tell you about its deletion. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Moving pictures from Wikicommons.
How do I move pictures from wikicommons onto a wikipedia page, I can't manage it and I need to for my funky userboxes. --' The Ninjalemming '  21:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Commons images may be called directly from Wikipedia and it will display as if it were on wikipedia's servers. i.e., if the commons pic is called "thing.jpg" you would simply write  with whatever paramters you desired. –  xeno  ( talk ) 00:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * cool, thanks matey --' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  17:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Whats parameters and how do I srink the picture to fit the box better; they may be the samething though. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  17:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just say how big you want it in pixels; for example,  will get you Wikipedia-logo.png, while   will get you Wikipedia-logo.png. EVula // talk //  &#9775;  // 17:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Cheers! you can check it out at User:Ninjalemming/userbox/Banjo-Kazooie, when it's done. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  21:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, nice work. Now you can categorize it if you like. This one would belong at Userboxes/Games/Computer and video games/Favorite game. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:19, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Done that, know just to improve on new ones all of which should be under User:Ninjalemming/userboxen, and you could even put a rating out of ten next to them; I hope to eventually reach five, then I will go for the goal of ten; I think if someone makes one hundred userboxn and at least one person uses each one of them then they should get a barnstar as a kind of reward for their hard work, like a xbox achievement. That would be cool, and I would aim for gold. I have also finished my invisible userbox which is also on this link. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  20:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Very nice. For me, the satisfaction of designing userboxes is in seeing people using them. (Click "What links here" to see who is transcludig a particular userbox). Oh, and barnstars come when you least expect them =) P.S. EVula is right above you should really use the syntax  rather than Image: –  xeno  ( talk ) 21:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Got it, they will keep on coming; by the way, do you have to let some one else put on the service awards or can you do it personally (meaning me in the third person). I think this could be one of the longest article titles on wikipedia, I am most proberble wrong though; it is User:Ninjalemming/archives/RandomRants/My strange views on all Deities mixed into one (possible), it leads to one of my archives so there is no need to click on the link. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  17:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You can award yourself the appropriate level of service award. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yay! --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  19:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Whats the quickest link to the categories pages so I can catories all my userboxen, and can I set something like a reminder to remind me to do something in the future? if not oh well, and do all the questions I ask annoy you? --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  20:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See WP:UBX. Regarding the reminder - not that I know of (on wiki). No, the questions don't annoy me, but my response time may vary =) – xeno  ( talk ) 20:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool! --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  20:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:VG newsletter
The next issue is ready for delivery if you don't mind. Thanks, MrKIA11 (talk) 01:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to make sure you noticed this notice. Hoping it could go out today. Thanks, MrKIA11 (talk) 21:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, lemme get that done. – xeno  ( talk ) 21:58, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Great. Your help is appreciated as always. MrKIA11 (talk) 22:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. ✅ Haven't installed AWB on my new PC so I had to do it from work =) – xeno  ( talk ) 03:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (December 2008)

 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  22:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

right to vanish
Hello. I want to exercise my WP:right to vanish--perminantly. The process is a bit confusing; can you tell me the exact steps I need to take to make this happen? Thanks so much. --vanished user 01:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's pretty much as follows:


 * 1) Go to WP:CHU and request a name change to a random assortment of characters.
 * 2) Tag your userpage and any subpages with, so they can be deleted.
 * 3) You may wish to add to your userpage to display a retired banner.
 * That pretty much covers it. Useight (talk) 01:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Cheers Useight. Happy trails, vanished user. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Xenocidic's Day!
Nice! Your very own day, what I would give virtually for one of those; I of course wouldn't give anything in real life, I am the most brilliant human being on Earth after all and have a whole year dedicated to me, it's called every year. I AM GOD ; but yeah thats cool and the barnstar appears to be never ending to, well done you. yeah. I'll shut up now. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  16:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * cheers prom, you're too kind. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Gamer Barnstar
Hey, Xeno, I was looking at this edit, and it looks like you've found (or already knew) some accurate data that I was looking for earlier. Could you share with me how you learned that this particular barnstar was created on the date that you indicated? I was not able to peg it any more accurately than the month of April, whereas you have an exact date in February. Thanks. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 06:13, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See the upload date for File:BarnstarCVG.png. cheers, – xeno  ( talk ) 15:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. When I go there, I see an upload date of 1 July 2006, not 12 February 2006.  What I was basing the date on was this edit, which indicates April of 2006.  Now I know that these image files, particularly of barnstars, get upgraded/updated a lot, so I know your 12 February 2006 date may very well be correct, I just don't see it in the history yet. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool  19:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll have to look at the deleted history of the original file which is now on commons. It says 01:11, 12 February 2006 . . Jacoplane (Talk | contribs | block) 111×107 (12,990 bytes) (CVG Barnstar) – xeno  ( talk ) 19:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, of course, as a non-admin, I don't have access to that file, but I'm happy to take your word for it. Thanks for the info. <font color="52A249">Un <font color="23CE40">sch <font color="7ED324">ool 19:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Anytime! – xeno  ( talk ) 22:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Restore deleted article so I can edit it
The listing for NetCracker Technology was deleted on December 9th. I would like to rewrite it to meet the Wikipedia guidelines. How can I get a copy of the deleted article? Thanks. Donna Donnabastien (talk) 12:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ – xeno  ( talk ) 13:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!Donnabastien (talk) 14:17, 12 January 2009 (UTC) — Donnabastien (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * It should be noted that this editor is Director of Marketing at NetCracker Technology, and has been extensively involved in COI editing to this article. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  04:14, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, I've only provided the deleted content and have made no judgment as to its suitability for inclusion. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the help, Xenocidic. We ec'd on closing that thread. Durova Charge! 17:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe, no problem. i know the feeling of realizing something you've brought to AN/I was in fact non-issue, happened to me a few days ago. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Article Creation for Cashmere Agency
hey xeno, I have been trying to create a page for the Cashmere Agency, formatted much like the page for Frontside Promotions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontside_Promotions every time I create it, it is flagged for speedy deletion. All sources have been sited etc. I know you have helped before by creating an article for one of our previous projects Midi Mafia, so is there anyway you can help out with this one?? I can provide all sources etc.

Please let me know!! thanks for the help! Visionarieslyphics (talk) 01:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't spend as much time on Wikipedia anymore, but perhaps you could try to present your sources to WP:AFC (articles for creation). – xeno  ( talk ) 02:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Firefly series revert
I understand how it could sound like I'm attempting to stifle debate, but in actuality, it would appear that this is something of an attempted palace coup, wherein all of the articles were changed to make the newly created article and omnibus/clearinghouse for all the other Firefly-related articles. There is an AfD discussion occurring here, and I've initiated discussion regarding these actions at the WikiProject here. I think that discussion should have been broached before these large scale changes took place. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  18:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. The note you left for the wikiproj should generate sufficient traffic for the AFD. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Userbox question
Hi there. I seriously doubt that you remember it, but you helped me out with a userbox formatting problem some time ago (June 2008). I'm having another problem and I'm wondering if you could take a look and see if you can offer some advice. It's kind of hard to describe, but I think it'll be obvious when you get to my user page. I've looked at it in both IE 7 and Firefox 3.0.5 and it looks essentially the same in both. If the problem doesn't show up when you look at it, let me know and I'll try to describe it.

Thanks in advance for your help. You did a great job last time and I'm confident that you'll do the same again. -- edi (talk) 22:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it the coffee ubx not obeying and hiding itself? That's just the power of java my friend! – xeno  ( talk ) 22:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the problem. Is there a way to fix it?  I like your little pun, by the way. :) -- edi (talk) 23:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite weird. Doesn't seem to be the userbox itself (regardless of my epic lulz). Just seems to be too many boxen in that list. Talk page stalkers? – xeno  ( talk ) 23:14, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Unlike the other userboxes, the coffee one appears to use a template (Userbox) directly. Perhaps if it used raw code or substed or something instead it would nest like the others. Technically illiterate reply from Skomorokh  23:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hrm, I just tried a non-template one and it still displayed the same. perhaps the div is getting closed in the last userbox or something. I left a message for Thingg, he's good at puzzles like this. – xeno  ( talk ) 23:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You want weird, I'll give you weird. I've been playing with the boxes and it seems the coffee and the Coke vs. Pepsi one won't play nice together.  I can put everything else in with that one out and it's fine, pull everything else out and put that one in and the coffee won't hide.  Crazy.  Just for the sake of curiosity, I'd love to know the reason for it if anyone knows one, but at least the problem is solved.  I appreciate everyone's help.  You guys are the best. :) -- edi (talk) 23:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There you go, you solved it. There was an unneccessary  in the pepsi vs. coke. –  xeno  ( talk ) 23:41, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thank you! -- edi (talk) 23:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy to help =] – xeno  ( talk ) 23:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * lol ;) well, at least you got it fixed. I was at work... *gasp* yes I know I know, incredible isn't it? ;) Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855;  03:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I was quite surprised ;> I'm sure you would've found it faster than us, but we managed to work it out. Don't worry, I'll find you more unsolvable ones... =) 03:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Lateral Link entry Revision
Hi, You have been very helpful with my revisioning efforts with my Lateral Link entry and I think it is very close to passing the inclusion criteria. Would it be possible for you to check the entry out and let me know of any more revisions I should make before putting it back on wikipedia? I am planning to make final revisions in the next few days. My revised entry can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LegalB123/Lateral_Link.

Much thanks, 96.237.161.249 (talk) 19:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)LegalB123
 * It still doesn't make a strong assertion of notability which would help it survive in the mainspace. Also, the citations could be cleaned up to be proper, and also attributed to statements in the article as I explained here: User talk:Xenocidic/Archive 10. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not good at this sort of thing on the wiki but if you wanted something, maybe for the key people you could list them not as Key people but as their postitions in the company so say instead of putting Michael Allen, Principal you could put Principal Michael Allen, then underneath Michael's name T.J. Duane; you could also try murging the timeline with the history them fleshing every thing out by using bigger words (it's at times such as these I find a Thesaurus very helpful); you don't have to use them however, just if you needed something else. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  21:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually if you didn't know what I mean then I have put a tiny table in my sandbox here with how you could put it. But you could also condense the references to make it look neater and then add a completely pointless external links section to make the end look more rounded off. Hey I'm actually thinking of quiet abit here, strange. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  21:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

 * I didn't know were to put it so it went here, it is also basically the same as Adolphus'. Sorry about that. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  17:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate this! – xeno  ( talk ) 18:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry!
Sorry about having the adoption page deleted! I'm currently in the process of semi-retiring. I'm going to use my right to edit less as John Sloan (although I will still be around and occasionally I will use the account) and start editing more logged out. I would like to personally thank you for everything you've ever done for me on Wikipedia and I still hope to see you around for many months and years to come! John Sloan (view / chat) 18:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. I know the feeling =) Warm regards, – xeno  ( talk ) 18:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I do still have a cheeky request! If possible, could you please delete my user page and then restore it to its final revision? Again, thanks for everything you've done! John Sloan (view / chat) 18:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ No problem, and happy trails =) – xeno  ( talk ) 19:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks my friend :-) John Sloan (view / chat) 19:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to annoy me, an IP decided to vandalise my user page. Could you please perform the above request again and semi-protect the page? Cheers! John Sloan (view / chat) 00:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. Useight (talk) 00:26, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Useight! I was going to have the page semi'd earlier as well, but decided the page would be a low target for vandals from now on. How wrong I was :D John Sloan (view / chat) 00:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for welcoming me. Has it been that two years? --Prop21 (talk) 23:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Housewarming
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">

Moonriddengirl (talk) has given you a fresh piece of fried chicken! Chickens promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a piping hot chicken, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!

Spread the tastiness of chickens by adding {{subst:GiveChicken}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Welcome to your new digs! :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * lol... thanks... stranger-killer no longer =) – xeno  ( talk ) 16:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like the rename finally worked properly. Useight (talk) 17:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, I managed to sneak in from the simple.wiki xeno I had. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:33, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

←Well, I congratulate you on your reformation. It's much better to be a stranger than to kill them. ;) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

lolwut?
Why the name change, dude? Glass  Cobra  18:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC) lulz clearly i need 2 lern 2 reed Glass  Cobra  18:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe... see User talk:Xenocidic/RFA. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, I was there for that. :P But it's sort of been...oh, several months. Why now? Glass  Cobra  18:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * eh, i dunno. Time for change? ;> – xeno  ( talk ) 18:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I like it. :D <font color=#cccc33>Garden. 21:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Acct fixed?
Is your acct fixed now? Pls respond on my talk page in that section so it's all in one spot.<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 21:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, as far as I can tell, it's working. the Xenocidic account should be de-admined as I'll probably use it for public terminals and the like. – xeno  ( talk ) 21:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

re-applying bot edits
This is not trivial, look at the edits on for example, some of these were done with previous versions of AWB, the conifgis, if I stil had them would no longer work, driven off lists that not extant any more, and so forth. Rich Farmbrough, 12:13 22 January 2009 (UTC).
 * That doesn't appear to be one of the edits that was hit in the mass revert, it mostly looked like the run-of-the-mill tag dating that was getting caught in it. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The point is that we have no way of knowing without inspecting every single history. Rich Farmbrough, 21:56 22 January 2009 (UTC).

script-assisted date/terms audit
Noted; I wasn't previously aware of the case.

Is there a reason why the the scripts' authors haven't been contacted? I actually only started using Lightmouse's script today, and wouldn't have done so it if it had mentioned the temporary injunction. (If "all editors are instructed not to engage" really does mean "all editors", shouldn't the scripts be disabled - or at least have a clear warning applied - for the duration?) --McGeddon (talk) 13:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Gerrrrrrrr
I feel like making a puzzle using the wiki, I also want to become king of the world but you can't ever thing. I guess being king will have to do. By the way how long did it take for you to get as good as you are at editing, and stuff and more stuff....Hi --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">' 
 * Hrm, it was probably about a month or two before I started getting comfortable with wikicode. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:15, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * And how long do you think it will take me at this rate? --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:12, 18 January 2009 (UTC).
 * You seem to be getting the hang of it. The tutorials at User:Xenocidic/wikiadopt may be helpful. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try them, oh and thanks for the Barnstarish thing; I only have two problems at the moment, neither being about genitalia, the first is that you funky Barnstarish thing won't play along trying to put it on my awards page and also that the status template shown here decides to hide behind the other userboxen in my userboxen bit, until it pairs with the xbox userbox, but then it takes it with it. Gargh, can you help please. oh and what is the thing that it has recently come up with saying we can nominate ourselves for?

--<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">' 
 * That is the stewardship election. Pretty high level position... – xeno  ( talk ) 03:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool, what do they do. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  17:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See Stewards – xeno  ( talk ) 17:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Isn't weird how you get strangly addicted to the wiki, I think it is and I am also slowly becoming addicted; I could break away at the moment but that may change, I don't know. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  17:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Serenity now!!!
Did you change your username? Didn't know! Good to see you pop up on my talk, gave me a chuckle. No worries from my end, I'm perfectly calm :-) It takes a lot more than I could ever dish to actually rile up Malleus :-) Happy new year -  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  | <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76  16:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe, I know, just pokin' fun. Yes I ended up going thru with the name change for various reasons. =) cheers, good to see you back around. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi there!
I have decided to become active on this Wikipedia once again. Just thought that I would let you know :). Cheers, <b style="color:#6cf">Raz</b><b style="color:#6cc">or</b><b style="color:#6c9">fl</b><b style="color:#6c6">am</b><b style="color:#6c3">e</b> 20:02, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * welcome back! i've become increasingly more active lately as well. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Phew; my noobishness was starting to stink up the place. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  &#124;  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:09, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * o, don't worry i never stopped watching you...n00b. ;p – xeno  ( talk ) 20:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I have a question for you. Would you be willing to help me out with becoming an administrator by leaving me suggestions or comments or critism on this page please? Thanks, <b style="color:#6cf">Raz</b><b style="color:#6cc">or</b><b style="color:#6c9">fl</b><b style="color:#6c6">am</b><b style="color:#6c3">e</b> 20:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I gave you some tips, Razorflame. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  &#124;  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

rollback
Hello Xeno, I was reading about Huggle and rollback, and after reading the rollback page, I had a question. How much experience is usually considered appropriate for a user to ask for rollback? I know you can't give an exact "time" or "edit count", I just wondered if you could give a average ballpark estimate. Thank You. Ched (talk) 03:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Rollback granted. you look trustworthy enough =) – xeno  ( talk ) 03:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank You, I'll make sure your trust isn't misplaced. One quick question, it it ok to experiment within my own userspace (ex: User:Ched Davis/test) or would that throw up red flags that would unduly nag the admins?  Thank You again ;) .. Ched (talk) 03:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * experimenting in your userspace is fine. =) – xeno  ( talk ) 03:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Xenobot and op.cit. vs. ibid.
Hey,

cf. this edit. The article still uses op. cit. for a few references, so the ibid template still applies. And I don't see any pertinent discussion on the talk page as the edit summary suggests. --Xover (talk) 09:00, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * This bot is removing ibid templates from articles that still use ibid, op. cit. and/or loc. cit. The edit note refers to a nonexistent "discussion". Please stop this bot from doing this. Roger (talk) 10:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See AN/I (permlink) the bot removed the template because another bot placed it, in the wrong place, without approval for its task. If you would like to remove the ibid/op/cit, etc. from those articles please see this list of contributions. See also Template talk:Ibid –  xeno  ( talk ) 14:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

How are you ensuring you don;t remove templates placed by humans? Rich Farmbrough, 16:01 24 January 2009 (UTC).
 * Manual review. Anyhow, the run is over. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Adventure games
Strangely enough, more adventure games seem to be successful on DS. For example, Phoenix Wright, Hotel Dusk, etc. Many third party Wii developers have shifted their focus to shovelware ;_; But I shouldn't be talking because I have yet to play Zack and Wiki..--ZXCVBNM [ TALK] 00:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I've done time (blocked)
I spent some time doing nothing, being a good boy, staying away from the users. Since you don't seem to care if I get unblocked, can you unblock me (and, by extension, unprotect my talk page, someone protected it)? --WeezleBeezle/66.99.17.84 (talk) 15:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * why not just open a new account and have a fresh start? – xeno  ( talk ) 15:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Because if I do, they'll just block me for sockpuppet stuff or something. Plus, I like the name WeezleBeezle.  --WeezleBeezle/66.99.17.84 (talk) 15:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ok, its ✅. best, – xeno  ( talk ) 16:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * THANK YOU! I'll do my best! :) --WeezleBeezle (talk) 16:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

BPs
I haven't had an article recreated to my userspace before (at least not that I remember), is there ever a way to get the history too? Or is it always just the last version? The reason I ask is that some of the sources were cut down during the editing process, but for the article I want to work on I want the expanded ones that existed in past version. I'm also interested in the general process and policy issue. I guess saving a desired version of AfD articles in case they are deleted is a good idea? If you could drop me a note in case I miss your reply here I'd appreciate it. Thanks for your help. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * We usually leave the history in place - just in case the article gets restored on DRV we don't want the closing admin to have to go searching for it. I've pasted the largest version I could find in the history, does that help? If not is there anything in particular you were looking for? As far as the policy issue, it's a bit of a grey area; you're typically given a wide latitude to keep things in your userspace as long as you're working on it. If you are able to bring the article to an inclusion-worthy state then the history will need to be restored for GFDL-attribution. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi. I just wanted to note that I've done a history merge there for GFDL concerns per WP:USERFY (seemed easier than pasting the history of the article!). But if DRV overturns the article, it will be easily found as I left a clear trail. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:52, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * sounds good, thanks for the note. i'll keep that in mind for the future. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I seperated and slightly modified the article into two new ones. I see now (someone let me know) that it was under DRV discussion so I suppose I may have mucked things up a bit. If you want to see the new articles they are Black presidential candidates in the United States and Black president in popular culture of the United States and the DRV here Deletion review/Log/2009 January 26. Thanks both of you for your help. Stay out of trouble. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

My new and best userbox
Yeah I know this is weird saying Look at this but it is the best thing I have ever done on wikipedia so I wanted to show you and see wheather it gets your seal of approval, I used two peps for this but you can use just one. see cool isn't it, all I need to do is perfect the page it is on then add it to the gallery. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">' 
 * Nice job... but, you should consider ways in which you can improve the encyclopedia. Perhaps joining a Wikiproject or help with cleanup efforts. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:43, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I know I should, I have joined a couple of Wikiprojects, the Xbox and Ninyendo ones, and the CVU. How ever I need to develop my skills at actually writing on the wiki before trying anything big; the only thing is I don't seem to come across and vandalism or articles needing clean up to help with, but I do need to check the wikiprojects pages more so I know what I should do from there; 'slowly I WILL BECOME INDEPENDENT and on that same day I will learn how to spell!', oh and remember you can now display the Veteren Editor II thing on your awards page as supposidly you have done over 21300 edits, which is quite emense. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  —Preceding undated comment was added at 16:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC).
 * check out User:Xeno/wikiadopt and User:Xeno/wikiadopt. that should help you in your quest. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Status Changer
I just borrowed your status changer, how do you get your status to display on your user page? <font face="Papyrus" color="#7B68EE">Top <font face="Papyrus" color="#9966CC">Gear <font face="Papyrus" color="#8A2BE2">Freak 15:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Add to the top of your user page... (after setting it all up) - Adolphus (talk) 18:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Have I set it up wrong or something? The online, busy, around and offline options are up at the top of the page (beside my preferences and logout), but when I click them it edis my status page, but doesn't add anything to it and the edit summary just says TopGearFreak is . <font face="Papyrus" color="#7B68EE">Top <font face="Papyrus" color="#9966CC">Gear <font face="Papyrus" color="#8A2BE2">Freak 19:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I remember someone having this problem some time ago... are you using IE? Try switching to Firefox. – xeno  ( talk ) 02:06, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm using IE... ;_; I'll ask if I can install Firefox. Thanks for your help. <font face="Papyrus" color="#7B68EE">Top <font face="Papyrus" color="#9966CC">Gear <font face="Papyrus" color="#8A2BE2">Freak 17:02, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a truly life-changing experience, it is. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks Xeno for helping with cleaning up the article and clearing bad links.--Ashlypat (talk) 19:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, happy editing. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:Microsoft vs. PC
My bad, really wasn't paying attention. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  22:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you think it would be necessary to create some of these articles? BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  15:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's something I've considered, but would there really be much to write about? i.e. I created the Texas Hold'em (video game) article but it's pretty much a stub. On the plus side they would pretty much all be copypasta articles. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * True, I guess the company page will be sufficent. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  15:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey Dude
I finally got around to adding you back to my friends list on XBL. Hope we can play some EndWar sometime soon. See you around! --<b style="color:green;">AP</b>ShinobiMy Contribs 17:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ah k. I'm on Russia at the moment. unfortunately things are going poorly. in fact today I think TOW is down. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Random hidden page and other stuff
I had a few minutes free (again) so decided to make a hidden page link system thingy, if you want to try it go to this page and follow the instructions on it, it may take a while to find the hidden page. By the way I am startig to edit mainspace as I am trying to update the Tom Clancy's Endwar article. --<font color="#black">' <font color="#gold">The Ninjalemming <font color="#black">'  13:08, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Stuff like this absent of mainspace contributions is likely to get you blocked per WP:MYSPACE/WP:NOTWEBHOST – xeno  ( talk ) 19:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you mean by this, if you mean the hidden page thing it was only meant to be fun and to earn this barnstar, as for the Endwar thing I am stilll writing it here. If you meant something else please say. "Wimper" -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In a nutshell, you're spending too much time worrying about barnstars and your userpages, and not enough time contributing to the encyclopedia. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Got it I'll mainly continue with helping the Xbox project stuff for now, could you check this though and see what you think of it. Thanks. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  18:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks pretty good. You should insert it into the article so others can tweak it and help with the copyediting and expansion. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool thanks, think I will add it on when I have finished the intial version, by the way do you have any info on the differences in campaigns in Endwar, such as the cutscenes at the end, I know Europes but I can't remember it word for word but I doubt I would have to put it in 'perfectly' for the article as that is just not what you do; probably. If you do have some info can you please put it on my sandbox. Cheers -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Garden/WikiCup
If you're going to mark this as "resolved" (which it certainly isn't), please let me know where I should take it. Thank you. --NE2 17:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:RFC ? – xeno  ( talk ) 17:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Pointing to a discussion where? --NE2 18:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * User talk:Garden/WikiCup ? As mentioned at AN there's no use of administrative tools in the wikicup. MFD may also be a more appropriate place. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I know how those will turn out. The former would be overrun by players (you can see what roux is doing on AN), and the latter is an all-or-nothing discussion, where I'm expressing an issue with one aspect. --NE2 18:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * well you've yet to provide any diffs or garner any support for your hypothetical concern. maybe just leave it alone? –  xeno  ( talk ) 18:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * When the first to respond are players (as has happened even on AN), it's kind of hard to get outside eyes. (I did provide a diff, by the way.) --NE2 18:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Still not an WP:AN issue, imo. You're at 3r's on the AN page, by the way. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Reversion of banned user
Thank you for this. I would have done that myself, so you saved me the work. However, I prefer to have such messages on my page until I read them. Related to my principle PINOT, I just take this as a (badly written) message. I believe that information empowers us, as long as we're free to deal with it in a way we choose. In this case, I was actually happy about the message, because I saw that the situation had been well taken care of.

A different case would be vandalism that deletes or distorts information that is already on a page. Maybe I should write a note to clarify that on top of my talk page. Do you think that might help? &mdash; Sebastian 19:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I was reverting from the user's contribs (and per the ban policy) and did not see your talk page preferences. In this case, a message at the top of your talk page would not have helped since I would not have seen it. I'll keep this in mind for future quasi-vandalism on your talk page. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Please don't apologize. You're right, that's what the policy says, and I don't want you to have any remorse about following it. I wish there were more people who saw bad messages the way I do; maybe we could form a group. But I can't think of a way that would make it easy to see for reverters. Dang! &mdash; Sebastian 19:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * well you as you can see, I don't really care too much about vandalism either... it amuses me =). anyhow, happy editing. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, some are too funny! Too bad we don't have WP:BJAODN anymore! &mdash; Sebastian 22:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)   (I stopped watching this page as of 18:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC). If you would like to continue the talk, please do so here and let me know.)

WT:RFA
Keepscases made a good point in this thread: "You'll also notice that my talk page is filled with messages from established users who appreciate my questions". Among people who are still left on Wikipedia, you made one of the 4 supporting comments on Keepscases' talk page (although it was mild: "sometimes helpful, do try to tone it down"). Is that still your opinion after reading the other messages on Keep's talk page and in the link above, and if so, would you like to argue this position in the current conversation? (Watchlisting) - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 22:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't put myself on the supportive side, quite the opposite, I was on the "threatening to block for disruption" side. Other users later convinced me to relax my position. See User talk:Xeno/Archive 6 and its subthreads for more on this. – xeno  ( talk ) 22:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for weighing in at WT:RFA. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 23:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. I usually try to stay as far away from WT:RFA as I can, but you asked nicely, so... ;p – xeno  ( talk ) 23:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Ender
Locke and Demo was indeed the B plot of Ender's Game, the information is probably buried in one of the ender/OSC list articles somewhere. Doubt they showed back up much in the Shadow series, but I stopped at Shadow Puppets I think - maybe Shadow of the Giant. Wish I had stopped at Speaker for the Dead in the main quartet - ye gods Children of the Mind was terrible.--Tznkai (talk) 22:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If I had a quarter for every time I heard that complaint.......... =) well thanks for confirming I'm not losing my memory. maybe I'll try to work it back in there. – xeno  ( talk ) 22:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I won't say I thought all the books were great, but I have read them all... Even the most recent one was not bad, although it had some continuity issues. I think OSC is one of those guys who had a great idea for a book or couple of books, but ended up being forced to write 10 books instead because he had to eat and finance his publishers yacht. P.S.: How long ago did the xeno/xenocidic thing change? Seem to recall reading about the change a long time ago, but today it struck me as newly incongruous. <strong style="color:#228B22;">Avruch <strong style="color:#228B22;"> T 23:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It went thru about a week ago You probably remember the RFA or post-RFA hullabuloo. And I know what you mean about OSC getting "typecast" into writing 'em. I haven't read the latest in the Shadow series nor the "direct sequel"... Gotta get caught up. I'm also told his Worthing books are good too. – xeno  ( talk ) 23:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I recognized the reference, but it's embarrassing that my knowledge of them is limited to Ender's Game and Lost. There's a plot summary at Talk:Ender's Game that mentions the siblings' political maneuvering. I think it's okay to mention their lengthy preparation in the context of the ultimate results: combining their influence, Peter takes over Earth; Valentine and Ender leave Earth to escape him. I liked Enchantment (plot summary spoiler warning) . Flatscan (talk) 04:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Bad bank
Hi Xeno,

I noticed that you preemptively redirected Bad bank to the Mortgage asset purchases section Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. I was thinking of creating the Bad bank article as its own feature, but wanted to check with your reasoning. No rush, and I won't touch it until I hear from you. Thanks. Hiberniantears (talk) 18:57, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That was a temporary measure. Please go ahead and create the article, I think this page will get a lot of incoming hits with that term being thrown about. Swedish banking rescue would be a good "See also" or "examples of bad bank implementations"... Best of luck! – xeno  ( talk ) 18:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I figured that was the case. Thanks for the link too, I'm in search of a good model. Hiberniantears (talk) 19:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
(Also, while I'm here, I'll add my congrats on your new name. I like it!) -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk)  19:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * oOo shiney, !!! =) thanks, on both counts. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing one of these challenging people is me. Hell yeah! I'm a Challenging meha -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  14:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Unprotection
Xeno, look at what went on when you unprotected the 360's page... I don't really know how to revert to previous versions, and I may well screw up the article by trying to so; could you do us a favour and 1) Revert to your last edit 2) Protect the article again

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.78.240.244 (talk) 02:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I wanted to give unprotection a go for a while. If it receives heavy vandalism though, we'll re-protect. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

List of cooperative games for the Xbox 360
Hi xeno, just a quick note to say that on the article in question someone has put a table on that they want be cleaned up abit. I thought that with your experience you may be able to do it, it looks a bit to complicated for me for now, I am still doing the Endwar thing and am going to put the first version on the actual article soon so other people can change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninjalemming (talk • contribs) 18:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Wheel warring
You're coming dangerously close to wheel warring with admins. First you decide that your judgment overrides that of another admin (me) and you unilaterally overturn a deletion I made without consulting me (or anyone else). Then you decide that your judgment overrides that of another admin and you decide that it's appropriate to move things how you see fit.

You need to stop immediately. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So you're the only one allowed to be bold? – xeno  ( talk ) 19:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Bold? No, no. This is verging on the latter clause, recklessness. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you recommend DRV or a new MFD as the next course of action? – xeno  ( talk ) 19:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * MFD. Though it might be a good idea to read the essay and take its message to heart, first. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Feel free to swing by whenever you feel like slinging more personal attacks or complaining about me overturning your "wildly inappropriate" unilateral decisions. (pot/kettle? =) – xeno  ( talk ) 19:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, you too! Deletion discussions are essential until the result isn't what you wanted. ;-) --MZMcBride (talk) 19:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * well I wasn't present for the first one... but honestly, this "essay" is nothing short of a personal attack (i saw a user using it in such a way today)... you should know better. and I guess now we're even, we've each "thrown common sense to the wind" in favour of needless bureaucracy ;> – xeno  ( talk ) 19:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

VPR
I undid a revert you made to VPR, because I assumed it was a mistake. If I was wrong, my apologies, and feel free to revert me. :) Best, Peter <b style="color:#02b;">Symonds</b> ( talk ) 16:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, I never even knew I did that (damn rollback in watchlist now!). Thanks! – xeno  ( talk ) 16:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Reverting another editor's Talk contributions?
Hi - can you take a look here

User:Fenke seems to have lost a brief argument in Talk, so has just deleted the whole thing - including the comments of others.

Is this legit? I haven't been on wiki for a while but have never seen editors just delete other's comments ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ANeurodiversity&diff=266838179&oldid=265753358

CeilingCrash (talk) 07:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just looking briefly at it, I would probably agree that the exchange isn't doing anything to help improve the article. Though getting the last word in and then removing the exchange isn't quite appropriate either. I would probably just move on. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Xbox 360
I am looking to change the name of Portal:Xbox 360 to Portal:Xbox. Do you think it would be better calling Portal:Xbox or follow PlayStation and call it Portal:Mircosoft Xbox? BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  16:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say Portal:Xbox, mainly as most people know Xbox is made by Microsoft, and if they didn't they would just have to check it out; as they probably don't know what an Xbox is. Any why both Portal:Xbox 360 and Portal:Microsoft Xbox are both a bit long winded I think, Portal:Xbox would be much easier. Now to help me I am going to go and find out what a Portal is. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  18:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Portal:Xbox seems best. That way it can cover past,present,and future iterations of the Xbox. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * and that to. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Delivery please
Latest issue is ready to go out. Much appreciated. :-D (Guyinblack25 talk 00:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC))
 * ✅ =) cheers, – xeno  ( talk ) 00:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (January 2009)

 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  00:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

KOKC
If you want to renom the KOKC-AM redirect, you are more than welcome. I am trying to get it to a deletion review that it did have....but I am being blocked at each place. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer •  Talk  • February 4, 2009 @ 00:35
 * So you want me to nom one for deletion, but deletion "isn't appropriate". Can you explain that to me? - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • February 4, 2009 @ 00:42

AIAV - Thank you
Hi, just wanted to say a big thanks for quickly responding and blocking this really irritating vandal. Nothing more or less, just a hearty "thank you" ;) Der Falke (talk) 21:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ah, no problem =) cheers, – xeno  ( talk ) 21:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed it
Hi. I've been doing a lot of NPP lately and that came up as a single sentence with, as I recall, a dead link. It wasn't much more than a placeholder for the link, but I've spoken to the contributor. Seems he likes working in really small increments. Who knew? Thanks for the note. I appreciate it when someone points out a gaffe on my part. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for posting a message on the page of the user who deleted the Titanoboa article that I created just two minutes after I created it. Also, I wanted to let you know that after I recreated the same article, it is currently listed on wikpedia's main page as a news item. Apparently, you're not the only person who thought it was a worthy article! Grundle2600 (talk) 23:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * yea, who wouldn't want to read about a ZOMG GIANT SNAKE?!?!  I wonder if that picture can be FUR'd... –  xeno  ( talk ) 23:18, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Another thank you thing
Sorry I haven't had time to create a new funky thing like I did last time but I wanted to thank you any way as you have given me Two Barnstars in a quiet short period of time. So thanks! I am trying to bother you less and most of the things I put on your user page you will probably not have to answer. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe... no problem... and - if your question has to do with improving the encyclopedia, I don't mind answering... =) – xeno  ( talk ) 17:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Vandal
Hi Xeno! Could you take a look at this persistent vandal's talk page and see if an Anon block would be appropriate please, the user last block of 3 hours following a 30 day block is somewhat lame in view of the editors history! See:- User_talk:195.137.57.61. Many thanks. :) Richard Harvey (talk) 18:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Normally I would decline to block a vandal that wasn't active at the time of the request, but since it's persistent, and a static IP, I've blocked for 3 months. cheers, – xeno  ( talk ) 18:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The injunction
Would it be acceptable to delink the dates if consensus were reached among the editors on an article's talk page? Thank you, <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 19:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That probably wouldn't violate the injunction because it's not a "program of mass linking or delinking" - it's a single case with local consensus. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 20:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Rant
AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH, I am doing some work and I can't find the Relative Formula Mass or Boiling point for Propanol or Butanol. Naturaly i checked on the Wiki first but I couldn't find it there then I looked on google and THERE IS NOTHING ON IT, as you are a genius could you help me; to be honest I don't even know why I put this on here you probably won't be able to help me, but if you can please do. By the way the plural of genius is genei (the spelling is wrong though). -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  19:41, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Try asking at Reference desk/Science. A science genius, I am not. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't work. This is going to take AGES. Sigh. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * but you didn't ask? – xeno  ( talk ) 20:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought I did, didn't I do it right; I'll try it again and see, if I epic fail it again could you ask it What are the chemical properties of Butanol and Propanol. I suck! -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ah, don't bother I found it, thanks for the help but I did read at the bottom the answer may take several days and I need this done by tomorrow. Cheers :) -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just click here and type your question. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok then, for now I do not need it but in the future I probably will so I will make a link to this on my sandbox, thanks again! ;) -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * and Adolphus hasn't hung round here in a while -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ah, cheers! more RAKs... well, those talk page stalkers are a strange brew...always coming, and going. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:48, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, more of them, you do seem to have quiet a bit...I know, I'll give you one every month just to be annoying; hows about that? I could use a different one though. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Vince Offer
Now can we have the semi-protection? THF (talk) 02:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * erm, I'm declaring myself involved. I think the IPs concerns have merit, the 'nuts' line lends to Vince's notability. no prejudice to you asking another admin or going to WP:RFPP. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of WP:Silence does not imply consent...
I just wanted to thank you for clearing up the history mess I made there. So thanks :) <small style="font:bold 10px Arial;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap"><font color="#000">Equazcion •✗/C • 18:04, 6 Feb 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Dynamic IP
Just as a general query (at the momement ;)) If you have a persistent vandal using Dynamic IP's for vandalism only, that are all in the same range and registered to the same netname, is it possible to block the entire range to prevent the vandal from editing? Richard Harvey (talk) 18:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes - depending on how much collateral damage it would cause. Normally a checkuser would be contacted to determine this and apply teh block. I've never done a rangeblock myself, but I could point you in the right direction if you felt it necessary. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Help with deletion review
Hi Xeno, I see you maintain articles on video games. Can you help with an article on the developer Funkitron that keeps on getting deleted. It is notable in the video game world, and has references, but keeps on getting quick deleted because of a bad first article that was posted. Other authors have tried to correct, to no avail. If you could review, use your knowledge of the video game world (it is the casual business), and chime in, that would be appreciated.

Deletion review is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_February_6#6_February_2009

Dave635 (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your thoughts on the topic. I think it was fair discussion and I've learned a lot about Wikipedia from following it. Very interesting. Anyway, what are the next steps in something like this? How is a decision/action finally made? Dave635 (talk) 14:00, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * From the looks of things it's going to stay deleted, but if you like I can userfy a copy of the article that you can work on in your userspace in relative peace and quiet. Finding more reliable sources and ensuring the article can pass WP:CORP would be your next step. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, can you userfy back to the author that created the most current version? And question, if it gets reposted, how do you signal that it is a revised article so it doesn't get quick deleted? Dave635 (talk) 18:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I can userfy it to whoever wants it in their userspace, I wouldn't put it in someone else's userspace it unless they asked me to. If and when you improve it enough to repost it, perhaps just leaving a note on the talk page or a hidden note like this:


 * Let me know if you need anything further. Once the DRV closes. if it doesn't get restored I can userfy it to you or whomever else upon request. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Don't be a whiny bitch
Please reconsider your userfication of Don't be a whiny bitch to User:MZMcBride/Don't be a whiny bitch. The article had survived a previous AfD, and the results of the last one was no consensus leaning towards keep, so you should have erred on the side of the previous keep of the AfD. I edited it at one point, was part of the first AfD as keep, and was not aware it was up for AfD again - so my voice would have been the one to lean for keep.--Cerejota (talk) 09:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The author userfy'd it himself. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. (Embarrassed blush)
Thank you for the reversion. I have just spent ten minutes trying to work out what happened, and the only thing I can come up with is that I *somehow* hit the rollback link for Toddst's edit, while I flicked through my own watchlist; ANI is on my watchlist at the moment, so it is conceivable. Shall drop a note on Toddst's page to that effect and then slink off in embarrassment :). <font face="monospace" color="#004080"> FlowerpotmaN ·(t) 17:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't sweat it, I had a similar misclick a few days ago. It has to do with rollback being in the watchlist now, much easier to errantly click. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Clarification
Give this a read (it's the section where I requested the injunction), specifically the arbitrators response to NuclearWarfare. I'm not sure if delinking slowly would fall under this injunction, but let me know if you still think we should seek clarification. Don't forget about WP:AN/AE, you could open a discussion there and that might get you a third opinion. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what I was thinking, but figured I'd let you consider it yourself. I'd obviously prefer it stopped, but at that low of an edit rate it probably doesn't have to. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

De-linking dates
Thanks for your two messages - I must admit that I thought that what I was doing was not in breach of the "injunction" as I generally only de-link dates where there is inconsistency within an article between two or more date formats, although this is not always the case. I will try to be a little less zealous in future. Best wishes. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 20:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well apparently the rate at which you were delinking the articles does not violate the injunction, but just be cautious. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

So how do we do this?
I don't mind rolling back the history, but I don't want the coordinated hits visible if possible. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Got it. I'd forgotten about that function.  I'll do it right now.  --PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the thought had occured to me. This explains why I never used a talk page bot before...! Same problem. :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Darn system. Thanks for the help. I've never done this before. Some admin, huh? :)) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL... want some help? –  xeno  ( talk ) 00:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

We cool. Thanks again for the help! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

WSIB
I don't like to undo stuff unilaterally when there's a logical edit summary, so I wanted to quickly drop by and see if you'd mind my recreating the dab page at this address?

I think the missing ingredient is that the link around the city of license for the radio station got removed (by me, I believe), leaving that line with no blue on it. I'd agree that it can ultimately be handled with a hatnote, and best with a link to the government agency on top of the radio station article once it's created - it's a primary identifier for the radio station, but secondary for the agency.

Anyway, my rationale for keeping the dab page right now is that the radio station article will be created — crystal ballish, I know, but they're a very active project. In fact, I could probably drop a note with a couple of the project members and have at least a stub up at that address within half an hour if it were necessary. Once it is created, the hatnote can be added and the dab page deleted, but the 'lazy' incoming links need a home for right now. They'll be a lot harder to find if it's left as a redirect.

Thoughts? Mlaffs (talk) 05:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well there really shouldn't be links to disambiguation pages in the first place, if you want to red-link to the radio station in anticipation of its creation you should link to its eventual location (i.e. WSIB (FM)). As far as where the WSIB redirect should go, typically it should go to the most common usage (Googling "WSIB ontario" gives 135,000 out of 300,000 hits for "WSIB" while "WSIB Tennessee" gives only 19,900 and "WSIB Selmer" only 891 - so on this cursory look the more common usage seems to be as an acronym for Workplace Safety & Insurance Board). If it can't be determined, the page could remain as a disambiguation page. Thanks for the note. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry — probably wasn't clear, but that's exactly what I meant. I hate incoming dab page links with a passion, and cleaning those is actually my primary area of focus. With a dab page, the incoming links can be cleaned to the correct location, whereas links to the radio station placed by the average editor would end up getting hidden as incoming to the agency the way it's set up now. Sounds like you're not opposed to me rolling it back, so I'll do that when I get a second later today. I'll also copy this discussion to the talk page so that there's some record that the idea of what's primary usage has been considered. Thanks! Mlaffs (talk) 14:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, since the radio station is still a redlink, imo the best way to handle this would be with a hatnote at the top of the Workplace Safety & Insurance Board. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: eh
Essentially, yes. Thanks. =) Powers T 12:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Resi 5
There is a discussing going on on the Resi 5 tak page about the 'racism' section if you want to add your input; mine is already on there. Better do it quick though as many people (meaning three) are in favor of getting rid of the section while I am the only one to say keep it, so it might go soon. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  19:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok we need your opinion quiet abit now as it is a even voting, and to make a decision we need more peoples opinions, like your's! Please contribute your opinion, PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  18:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion on this particular matter. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Nuts! I know you may not still have a particular opinion, but should you remove part of an article if it is still part of the subject's history (the subject being Res 5) and is still an important bit of information? Sorry for the length of thisconvosation that you most probably don't care about. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  19:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say this situation is somewhat analagous to the Alien sideboob controversy... The commentator was right to point to WP:UNDUE, as the section does seem to be presently taking up a lot of space in the relatively short article. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Shorten it considerably then. Got it! I'll say they should Definatlydo that then and I'll try to do it as well. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  19:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

CoD:WaW
Do you object to me removing it from the horror games category? It's still in which is a bit of a half-way house. Someoneanother 00:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I've no real objections if you guys are in agreeance at the wikiproject level. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm conscious of the fact the discussion only happened because I added it, and I'd rather reset it now than leave it in and potentially cause more time to be spent discussing it if nobody else is worried in the first place. Thanks. Someoneanother 00:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's not a horror game. Speaking of which, I recall that Xeno played Call of Duty 4? (Which I brought to FA, by the way :)). Interested in bringing Call of Duty: World at War to FAC? ;) Gary King  ( talk ) 01:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Focused and protracted mainspace work? Heavens no ;p You know me. Just a hit and run kinda guy. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
muchly for saving my sanity while it was still in tact. ;) Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to get your opinion...
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You are an admin, yes? Nice to meet you. I chose you on a complete whim, really. I'm faced with a bit of a dilemma. As you might be able to tell from my user page, I'm a big fan of the When They Cry visual novel series, better know by the titles Higurashi no Naku Koro ni and Umineko no Naku Koro ni. I'm a member of forums for both of these titles, and on one of them, I had heard about some unpleasant individuals taking over the pages and all involved ones. New editors to those pages who make changes or join in discussions are all immediately accused of being "sockpuppets" and harassed by an entire group of people. The most recent person this happened too, a user called UnitedRhapsody, is a member of that forum, under a different name, and the admin posted about her ordeal. According to her, she ended up getting blocked because one of the group of rablerousers happens to be friends with a checkuser admin. There is proof this admin had abused her powers in the past to claim people had matching IPs, and I've seen this proof myself. For this reason, I'm am uneasy. Though this girl made many good edits that she put a lot of time and effort into, once the accusation was made, someone immediately went around and undid every last one of her edits. I would like to edit the pages myself, but I do not want the same thing to happen to me. This has been going on for a while, so I don't think it will just blow over... Can you offer any advice? I joined mainly to contribute to those articles, since I am an avid fan of the series and am even involved with one of the translation projects. WitchAlliance (talk) 07:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and Administrators' noticeboard are, I believe, relevant to this user's post, if you're interested in further reading. – Luna Santin  (talk) 09:29, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hrm, as long as you edit the articles in a collegial fashion and work with others to build consensus and aren't a sockpuppet of the above-mentioned user who looks like they're cruising towards a community ban (the validity of which I don't have time to assess) you should be ok. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:28, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure? I'd really like to do some editing for those two articles, but I don't want to get accused. Of course, I'm already being accused, I think, even though I've not caused any trouble. What should I do if people start bothering me or reverting my edits without good reason, claiming I'm a sock? WitchAlliance (talk) 13:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're not a sockpuppet, and are editing the articles in good faith and following policies, guidelines, and applicable manuals of style you should be fine. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll take your word for it, but you still didn't tell me what I should do if editors start giving me a hard time. WitchAlliance (talk) 15:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * As long as you're editing cooperatively and not doing things contrary to consensus, you shouldn't have anyone giving you a hard time. If you're trying to shoehorn in changes that are disagreeable then you will run into problems. I believe this is why the Jade individual was originally blocked. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

See, the person I was talking about, though, they didn't do anything. All their edits were really thoughtful and constructive-I read them myself, via links on that forum. But they still got attacked. Any user who edits that page does. Should this happen to me, would you care to look at my edits and tell me if there is something wrong or if I should not be being attacked? I just don't want to end up going through that. WitchAlliance (talk) 15:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently from my very brief examination of the situation, that user refused to accept the views of others and edit in a collegial fashion. All I can suggest is make good improvements and take into consideration what others say if they disagree with your edits. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you are thinking of the wrong person... Here is an example of one of their edits that got reverted. You can check out their other contributions if you wish:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni_characters&diff=269930246&oldid=269923956

Also, please check out the talk page for Umineko no Naku koro ni.

As you can hopefully see, it's the opposite. The other side were the ones unwilling to let people disagree. This person was flat-out attacked. Their edits were good. But someone just randomly accused them of being a sockpuppt, and then went around undoing all of their edits without pause. The person asked them to stop and even invited them to their talk page, but it was a useless effort. It's frightening. I don't want to go through that. The above link is also an edit I'd like to reinstate. It's good and fixes a lot of errors. It also adds nice information, I think. What do you think? Is this edit vandalism like it was called? WitchAlliance (talk) 15:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll be frank: the fact that you showed up immediately after that person got blocked (checkuser revealed that person as a likely sockpuppet of Jade) is going to make you a likely candidate for a checkuser, and if you're Jade, then you're really just wasting a lot of my time. If you want to come back to editing, then you should appeal your block to arbcom or something like that (APPEAL) and agree to edit in a collegial fashion. (Per the banning policy, banned users edits are "Revert on sight", so it doesn't matter if the edits by the sockpuppet are worthwhile or not). If you're not Jade, then checkuser won't uncover you as as a sockpuppet and you can just edit in peace taking my previous advice into consideration. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you're getting it. I'm not a sockpuppet. That person wasn't either. But those people are attacking anyone they please, just for editing normally. And the fact that Checkusers are being faked is no secret. Everyone on that forum has seen the proof of it already. For that reason, I'm afraid I'll get banned regardless of innocence. When it happened to that person, she tried to go to admins for help, but it was already too late. I decided to go to an admin right off the bat, so those people wouldn't be able to pull their same old tricks of attacking people just for editing the pages they think they own. WitchAlliance (talk) 15:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well "faked checkusers" are something beyond my ability to investigate, but quite frankly I don't think Luna has a vested interest in this conflict such that s/he would be doing such a thing. As I've suggested above, if you're not a sockpuppet, you've nothing to fear. Edit away, and see what happens. I'll leave a note at the ANI thread pointing here, perhaps that will help. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I will. But please do not post about this there. I'd like to keep a low profile. Innocent or not, drawing unnecessary attention to yourself can end badly. Once they think they've found a new target, I would be surprised if troubled starts... I'd still like your thoughts on that edit linked above. Do you think it's acceptable? WitchAlliance (talk) 16:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Too late (and your name was already mentioned there anyway). I have no comment on the above edits, as I have no familiarity whatsoever about the material in question. Per the banning policy, banned users edits are "Revert on sight", so it doesn't matter if the edits by the sockpuppet are worthwhile or not. Best of luck, – xeno  ( talk ) 16:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

In other words, these guys can keep total control over the articles as long as they want. All they have to do is accuse a person of being a sockpuppet when they disagree with an edit, then they can revert it regardless of whether or not it's true? And you should not have posted this there... It was meant to be private. If they start to attack me and undo my edits, I will hold you personally responsible. WitchAlliance (talk) 16:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikis are anything but private. Edit the articles - perhaps slowly rather than in large sweeping edits - to see how your edits are received, and go from there. You asked for my opinion, and I've spent more time than I have right now giving it. best of luck, –  xeno  ( talk ) 16:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


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Thanks much
For leaving the note on John's talk page. I was debating leaving one, but hoped someone else would, as he has clearly indicated he'd prefer not to hear from me. KillerChihuahua?!? 15:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * C'est pas probleme. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Minnesota State Law Library - possible copyright infringement
I created the page/article for Wikipedia entitles "Minnesota State Law Library". My position at the library is Head of Technical Services here is the link to my photo and bio from our website [1]. So the person that should give permission to use anything from our website is myself. What do I need to do further to have our article on the library show on Wikipedia? Please advise and I will do what is required. You may also contact me at my email address at the Minnesota State Law Library: (removed) (Sebastiaan69 (talk) 17:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC))
 * Well the main issue is that the bulk of the article is copied and pasted from the website, which I'm not sure is copyrighted or public domain or somewhere in between. If your giving permission to use the information though, I guess it should be ok (follow the instructons I left on your talk page regarding emailing the Wikimedia Foundation to authorize the use). The article still needs a lot of work to comply with WP guidelines, but that's a separate issue. best, – xeno  ( talk ) 17:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok
And what exactly is my behavior? Take a look at the history and the discussion before you start putting it soley on me as if I'm the only one involved. The core issue is whether a FAQ should be a policy. Dreadstar †  18:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The "core issue" has no place on ANI, I believe the thread was brought for your (alleged) edit warring over the core issue. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Then file a WP:3RR report on me. And review the history before placing the blame on just me.  Dreadstar  †  18:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Reports being filed in the proper places rather than all lumped onto ANI? You must be new here ;> – xeno  ( talk ) 18:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ROTFL! Hey, you're not supposed to make me laugh!  We're supposed to be fighting!  lol... ;) Dreadstar  †  18:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

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 * heh, thanks =) best, – xeno  ( talk ) 18:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Long time no see
Hey man how's it going, wow you don't have alot of talk page sections. You used to have round 50 if i remember correctly. So what goes on these days in wikipedia? Have I missed much? Cheerio!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 16:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's partially because I'm less active, and partially because I made the bot archive more aggressively. Not too much... The wheels of wikipedia grind on... – xeno  ( talk ) 16:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by the bot archive, what's that? Either way, my stockpile of Beatles music is complete and life is good. The Wheel in the Sky keeps on turning as "Journey" once said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ezekiel 7:19 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a bot that archives my talk page, before I told it to leave at least 25 threads, now I let it go down to 10. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, If only I were fortunate enough to know how to use a bot on Wikipedia, let alone program it. Cheerio!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 19:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's pretty easy, just see the instructions at User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo. Let me know if you need help after that. =) – xeno  ( talk ) 19:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, will do thanks. Cheerio!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 16:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just one question, well actually two. Which template should I use for the Archive thing (because i do use an archive)? Also, what other bots do you recommend for a person like me? Thanks!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 16:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I use archivebox. You could also use the User:HBC Archive Indexerbot if you like. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Any other bots you would like to reccomend? I like recieving advice from admins, let alone befriending them (which I did back when that whole sig debate happend). Anyways if there is others you like than that would be great. Thanks and Cheerio!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 14:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe, that's all I can think of other than like, newsletter delivery bots (if you wanted the WP:SIGNPOST delivered to your page, for example). if you're interested, you might look into AutoWikiBrowser which is like a bot you control to fix article issues such as typos, links to disambiguation pages, etc. Very powerful tool. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, greetings from Pennsylvanina!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 19:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Requesting 5 articles which were deleted
Pretty please, I only have 11 more articles, then I am done with the hardest stage of this research: compiling the deleted data.

I am requesting 6 articles which were deleted then redirected to be userfied, :):
 * Energy and American Society to User:ikip/Energy and American Society
 * Anaconda 4: Trail of Blood to User:ikip/Anaconda 4: Trail of Blood
 * Tajik Wikipedia to User:ikip/Tajik Wikipedia
 * Rudy Tabootie to User:ikip/Rudy Tabootie
 * Craniac to User:ikip/Craniac
 * James Wharton to User:ikip/James Wharton

From: Articles for deletion/Log/2008 November 15

Can you please move all 6 pages to my userspace, with the history intact (I am interested in who created the article, and when).

I really appreciate it. You are probably wondering why I ask. Well, I have spent my weekend on a graph found here: User:Ikip/AfD on average day. I am interested in what type of user gets their page deleted, etc....November 15 is just a day pulled out of a hat by another user.

Thanks :) Ikip (talk) 02:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I asked for it, right? ;> The first two were closd as keep/no consensus (respectively). on the history splits/userfication... –  xeno  ( talk ) 02:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Kewl, now you will have plenty of work as an admin when other editors come to you to userfy and email articles :) After months, now I am finished up! THANKS
 * Thanks also for the kewl little template idea.  You get  barnstar out of this, BTW. Ikip (talk) 02:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, and this is ✅ (I believe), let me know if I missed anything. Good luck on your research. – xeno  ( talk ) 02:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You missed the first two,
 * Energy and American Society to User:ikip/Energy and American Society
 * Anaconda 4: Trail of Blood to User:ikip/Anaconda 4: Trail of Blood
 * I can clean up the articles after you userfy them, making no wiki of all categories, removing afd tag, etc. Thank you so much! Ikip (talk) 03:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think maybe you had a typo or two in your dataset -
 * Energy and American Society (was closed as keep)
 * Anaconda 4: Trail of Blood (was closed as no consensus)
 * ...so the full history resides at the article's new home and can't be split/userfied. Again, good luck! – xeno  ( talk ) 03:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ouch, research editors don't work for free. Thank you! Ikip (talk) 03:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

 * ah cheers, appreciate it. peculiar, as I was looking into the James Wharton one a little more I see that the article totally shoved a kindly old redirect aside! hatted. hehe. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You are wonderful! Thank you!  Want to do one last article, one I forgot? Rollac? Ikip (talk) 04:42, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ – xeno  ( talk ) 05:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Small Favor
Hey man how's it going. Look I don't mean to waste your time but one day I was editing a page and I added some photos, which in the end were not needed on the page. So now they're orphaned and I just asked if you could delete them for me please. I don't like asking random favors but your a good guy so I'd just thought that I would ask. The picture links can be found on my talk page, as prior posted by a bot. Thanks!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 16:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't hesitate to ask me for stuff like this =) Just to confirm, you want every image the bot told you about deleted? – xeno  ( talk ) 16:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you could just tag them yourself under CSD G7... - Adolphus (talk) 16:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok that makes sense, whats the template for the tag?-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 16:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * db-g7 - Adolphus (talk) 16:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Adolphus is correct, you could put db-author on the pages and an admin will delete them in due time, but since I'm already ready I'll go ahead and save you the trouble. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Bah... damn admins taking the initiative... - Adolphus (talk) 16:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I did put the tags on any wasy but you can do it if you want xeno.-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 16:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅, cheers. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well that takes care of that. Thanks man. Cheerio!

-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 16:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

anyone good with graphics?
Is there anyone here good with graphics who might be able to recolour File:Leaf.png to a shade of blue similar to File:Fringe leaf.jpg? N.B. This isn't that important. It's for a userbox. But I'd appreciate it =) – xeno  ( talk ) 18:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm not good with graphics but my girlfriend is, maybe I can get her to do it. I don't know if she's that good, but she's an animator and computer programmer, so I'll see what she can do, we'll be even for all that you've done for me. Cheerio!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 19:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool...thanks. =) – xeno  ( talk ) 19:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait do you have an E-mail. Maybe if it works I can have her send it to you when it's done. Now I'm not positive if she can do it yet, so don't rely on me too much. See who else can do it as well, keep your options open.-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 19:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, it's xenowiki (at) gmail (dot) com. But you or her could also just upload it to the commons under GFDL if you like. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah the only thing is that I'm leaving for Philly in two hours so I won't have access to a computer till Tuesday at the latest so i want to give her the info to contact you so you'll get it first. That way you don't have to wait so long.-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 19:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure thing... =) Have a safe trip. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks, I really just don't want to teach her how to do these things (especially in 2 hours) so I just mailed her your e-mail so if it turns out well she'll send it to you. See you later, I'm out. Cheerio!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 20:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you get anywhere with the blue leaf ? will take me about 10 mins if you still need it --Chaosdruid (talk) 23:47, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think Ezekiel's gf got around to it, so if you could, that would be awesome! =) Upload it to the commons or email it to the above address. Thanks =) – xeno  ( talk ) 23:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sry - commons keeps messing up the GDFL licence so its taken me 20 mins to do the upload so far due to derivativeFX cocking up lol - be with you in 10 I hope --Chaosdruid (talk) 00:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No rush. I appreciate it =) – xeno  ( talk ) 00:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You may need them a little more bright/metallic looking - if so will do that for you but need about 30 mins or so as would have to do major alterations for that--Chaosdruid (talk) 00:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They're just for a userbox so it's not super important - these look fine =) If you have time, but otherwise, thanks a bunch! – xeno  ( talk ) 00:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow - just got your message ! thanks, my first ever barnstar ! - also a more blue one, it looks a bit flat tho..depends on how big ur going to have it...-Chaosdruid (talk) 01:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

← No problem, you deserve it. That latest one is perfect! =) Here is your work in all its glory. Thanks again. – xeno  ( talk ) 01:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * np - was a pleasure to do something constructive lol - good show btw ! --Chaosdruid (talk) 01:07, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * yea, i like it. did you know that Olivia Dunham (Anna Torv) was the model and voice for the Heavenly Sword heroine? the more you know =) – xeno  ( talk ) 01:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Def a step up from Boston legal for Mr Valley ! and lucky man to have got her to the altar lol --Chaosdruid (talk) 01:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * lol i didn't eveen realize she married John Scott life imitating art, I guess? =) – xeno  ( talk ) 01:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the userbox; I added it as soon as I saw it. :) And replying to the above users, Fringe is definitely one of the best shows right now, after Lost, of course. ;)   Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   04:20, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe, no problem =) cheers, –  xeno  ( talk ) 06:20, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah you know, she never got around to it. I don't know why, she didn't check her mail yet. She must have gone some where as well and never told me about it. Oh well, as long as the jobs finished than I'm happy. I just like helping others, especially when the person is an admin. Those occasions are not as common. Cheerio!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 16:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * But if you ever need anything else concerning graphics, just give me a buzz.-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 16:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * She did eventually, she sent me like 5 different proofs. They're great. Thanks a bunch =) – xeno  ( talk ) 18:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * See, I told you she was good. If only she checked her mail sooner.-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 09:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

The Admin's Barnstar

 * o, hot, i dont think i have this one yet. thanks =] – xeno  ( talk ) 20:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't believe you really did this. And no problem. ;)  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  20:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * lol... =) teh ironies... – xeno  ( talk ) 20:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Wait, there's more! Creator explicitly requested deletion, but was reverted by a bot. Also this.  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  20:42, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just look here. Just found another.  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  20:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't there some rule about A7 that the articles can't be quite old or something? ... – xeno  ( talk ) 20:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Never heard of that one, but even so, what about author requests deletion?  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  20:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Author can't request deletion if there's other editors who contributed. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * i dunno i guess i'm just a little uncomfortable deleting such ancient artifacts... deletion... is not my forte. – xeno  ( talk ) 21:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

THAT DAMN SPAM!
Is it just my computer that gets some stupid advert on it everytime you acess the Resi 5 talk page. If it is then what the hell! Can you please take a look at it.-- ' The Ninja  lemming '  21:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you're running into some spyware/popups. Try running a spyware checker. I would reccomend Spybot: http://www.safer-networking.org/ – xeno  ( talk ) 19:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, done that and it seems fixed; it was a Trojan Email-Worm. Hope it doesn't come back. -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  14:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Newcomer help page
I am considering doing a help page for new people, who need practise editing; by making a new page (possibly under User:Ninjalemming/New user/help) and giving them random information (about anything, even if it is untrue, this is just practise) that they can put in and practise their writing skills. Obversile this will take some time to start, but what do you think about this, is it a good idea or not? (remember I hought of this first) -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  14:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like something that would be conducted under the auspices of adopt-a-user. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Does that mean I can't do it? -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  16:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Why dont you read up on the adopt-a-user project and decide if you're ready for that. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't think I am able to properly adopt-a-user yet; maybe in a couple of months; or five. But I will do this page (as an example mind) and give it to the 'Adopt-a-user people' to use if they so wish. It may take me a few days but I will show you so you can judge it, arn't you the lucky person! (or not) ;P -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  18:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have finished the first draft of the New comer help page thingy, can you judge it so I can propose it to the Adopt-a-user group, please. Cheers also! -- ' The Ninja  lemming '  15:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

New comer help page thing.2
Just incase you didn't receive my last thing I decided to put it here also. Can you please check this page and see wheather it is up to your satisfaction before I propose it the Adopt-a-user group. Thank you!  ' The Ninja  lemming '   —Preceding undated comment was added on 14:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC).
 * so the newcomer is supposed to take what you wrote and improve upon it? – xeno  ( talk ) 14:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hurm, actually that could be part of it, but before you said that they were only meant to put on of the templates I am going to make (as I am not done yet), and put it on the pages talk page; then I/some one would give them some info (even if it is completely made up, which it proably will be) so they could put it on. It says at the beginning remember? But I will ow also put on somethings for them to improve on some ow.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  14:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I just don't understand what you're planning on doing with it. I also think it's best if newcomers just go out into the mainspace and get their feet wet (i.e. as instructed at User:Xeno/wikiadopt). (And I think you should be spending more time getting acquainted with editing the wiki yourself, before trying to help newcomers. Your addition to EndWar at the beginning of the month was great, but since then you've made a grand total of 2 edits to the mainspace). – xeno  ( talk ) 15:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "Cough" "cough" yeah "cough", I know I should but I can't find anything that hasn't been written that I don't know, there may be stuff that I know but can't find so can you give me some thing to do. I will keep the help thing on hold for several mounths before proposing it and just edit mainspace. By the way can you use books as references, if you can I maybe able to edit more.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  16:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can use books as references. See cite book. You don't need to write new stuff, you could just improve grammar on old stuff, etc. See the lesson I linked above to find articles needing work. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It didn't work citng the book, I have put my attemp under my sandbox, can you please check it out and see what has gone wrong; sorry for troubling you.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Cheer xeno, that was very helpful. Why didn't you stand for stewardship? you could easily do it. :)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think stewards are meant to have some significant experience on more than 1 wiki and typically expected to have a working grasp of more than one language. thanks though =) – xeno  ( talk ) 17:51, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Be careful that you don't have experience on too many wikis. Not that I'm bitter or anything. ;) EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 17:58, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, the 'ole "too many hats" argument =) – xeno  ( talk ) 18:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The funniest thing is that that argument would make no sense to my real-life friends; I'm quite well-known for wearing my black fedora everywhere I go. "Too many hats? What the hell, he's only got the one!" EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 18:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, I need a hat like that. But I have no idea where to get one. That picture made me wonder what you were doing, it looks like you were playing a harmonica or something, but then I realized you were just holding a camera. Useight (talk) 18:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you guys are on about, but oh well, from were I am standing it is still quite funny, please continue! yup, oh xeno I now have some more mainspace articles so don't worry that I don't do much for the Wide World of the Wikis as I am now trying to start again.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry I have more for xeno, how do you welcome some one as User:Daymeeee is new and hasn't been welcomed yet. Just saying, yo and out!  ' The Ninja  lemming  '  20:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just edit their talk page and type  –  xeno  ( talk ) 20:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Er, where did I have to stop typing?  ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Start at the first { and end at the last } – xeno  ( talk ) 20:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just when I first saw it, it was all messed up; I have welcomed him by the way.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  21:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, can you cite magazines like you cite books or is it slightly different? wup  ' The Ninja  lemming '  21:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, for ones I actually found out by myself, no need to try and help I di it myself; maybe I should tell the news this could be a big story! what do you think?  ' The Ninja  lemming '  21:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:Birthday
Cheers. 4 years is too long methinks. Definitely over the hill. ;) Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 12:15, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

You are no longer alone
My lastest nominee to pass at RfA failed to get my !support vote.--- I'm Spartacus!  The artist formerly known as Balloonman 20:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * lol, you forget again? =) – xeno  ( talk ) 22:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Can I claim old age?--- I'm Spartacus!  The artist formerly known as Balloonman 22:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps plead the 5th? =) – xeno  ( talk ) 15:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Please help
Hello xeno i was wondering if you can help me out because i dont think this circumstance needs a user check or  would be accepted. I believe i'm dealing with three sock puppets within the Olive skin article previously i edit warred with this user User:Novelaconto over a poorly re written section by him not in toe with the sources provided ,i myself unfortanately got so fraustrated with one of his possible sock accounts that i used my secondary account for sock purposes and he reported me for sock puppetry.So i was blocked for one week but decided to take a wiki break for over a month,so i started to edit again but stayed away from that article as per i did not want no problems but i came across some sources to which i wanted to add another picture of somebody with olive skin so i did though i did leave the part of the article alone that i was blocked for trying to avoid the 3rr and i added a source and pic of a person who happends to be from england who has olive skin but no sooner a day later some newly created account came and changed the picture from the one i added and than added another pic and added person of enlgish descend with olive skin from sun tanning when none of the sources say that so i reverted it once and added back the pic and the previous heading under the picture and added another source but he than changed it back again so i decided to get some admin assistance,now why i suspect that this three accounts are all the same person User:Novelaconto User:Dingdongacid User_Talk:Obahliskh. Now i susupect socks because all these accounts basicaly make controversial disruptive edits and disapear in other words if you check there history their accounts make edits for olive skin and barely anything else and some how always seem to clash with my edits in other words just being disrutpive and pov pushing under different accounts to avoid some sort of reputation ,if you check the talk page for olive skin i do have a history of trying to work out differences with other editors on this article and other established editors as well as some admins have agreed with my edits to the article if you could take the time out to investigate the matter for me there seems to be a pattern of people creating accounts just to duke it out on the olive skin article--Wikiscribe (talk) 18:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you suspect sockpuppetry the besy thing to do would be to file a report at WP:SPI. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

i made a case yesterday xeno can you have a look at this case for me this is my first time doing this i dont know if i did it right because no admin has commented on the case yet i dont know whether it needs a user check or what Sockpuppet investigations/Dingdongacid--Wikiscribe (talk) 17:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * i'm not too familiar with it either (it's a new process compared to the old one) but it looks ok to me. SPI is usually fairly backlogged so just give it some time now. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

okay i just thought maybe i did something wrong ie it's malformed or something, i just want it farily looked out whether im right or wrong--Wikiscribe (talk) 17:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, I won't be deleting Wikipedia in 15 seconds... wouldn't know how to in the first place

 * OH! thanks =) I'm glad you like it. P.S. In your quest to delete all of Wikipedia, this may help: Twinkle/doc ;> –  xeno  ( talk ) 21:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Underground economy
Why have you protected this page (Underground economy)? It doesn't seem to have been vandalized.

SimonTrew (talk) 06:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually unprotected it (leaving move protection in place, if consensus finds for a rename, let me know), prior to that it was indefinitely semi-protected (as was Nawlin's past procedure after some page move vandalism). See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Underground_economy – xeno  ( talk ) 13:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * OK I must have misunderstood the automatic wikipedia comment. It's not a bad article, needs a bit of tidying I think, i've done a bit, you a lot more, but does not seem to be getting vandalised. Personally I would have to toss a coin over 'Black Market' vs 'Underground Economy', would have trouble deciding. I have a reproduction pamphlet here from RAF Duxord (Imperial War Museum) which includes a section on the spivs, would that be at all helpful? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talk • contribs) 15:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The be honest, I don't know much at all about the article. I just unprotected it to let anons and new users edit it. Have at it =) – xeno  ( talk ) 15:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * OK I do know and with a fair wind could probably become the kinda leading editor of this article. My mum currently is borrowing the pamphlet about spivs in WWII but I will get it back soon. So with your permission I will make a few more drastic-- but not vandalistic-- edits. I am just getting used to big edits, before done mostly just subbing, so I get tied up sometimes just with the technicalities (a bit stupid for a computer programmer really). I will get there, but a bit of guidance in the right direction will be more than welcome. SimonTrew (talk) 15:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe, you don't need my permission to edit the article, and don't worry about messing things up because everything can be undone or fixed. Feel free to let me know if you have any specific questions about how to go about working on the article. Happy editing, – xeno  ( talk ) 17:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Xeno you said I could ask you for specific help. I don't want to spam you but have trouble finding this, and have searched. I created a new article (My first!) and checked all the guidelines, it is very sketchy at the moment, I made the links first but didn't realise the article title must be the same as the page name. Is there a way to change the displayed title? There's only two link so it is not life-threatening but I am gonna incorporate more, so would be handy to know before I continue with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talk • contribs) 05:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * My reply here.

IRC
I need to talk to you about something, but it isn't appropriate to post it here, and I fear email may be a little in the way of slow business. If possible could you contact me on IRC, preferably at ##neurolysis? Thanks. <font face="Trebuchet MS">&mdash; <font color="#5A3696">neuro <font color="#5A3696">(talk) 17:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and by the way, when you come in there could you please say the word 'neuro' or 'neurolysis' - that way it will notify me that you are there. Thanks. <font face="Trebuchet MS">&mdash; <font color="#5A3696">neuro <font color="#5A3696">(talk) 17:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Custom UBs
Excuse me, but I was wondering if you knew how to create custom Userboxes? Veraladeramanera (talk) 01:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Custom, as in you want to create your own? The easiest way is to find a userbox you like the style of and change the code to suit your needs. To create a userbox just make a subpage of your userspace, i.e. User:Veraladeramanera/Userbox. – xeno  ( talk ) 01:49, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Iberian-Guanche Inscriptions
Dear Xeno, Please,put this page back since there is still much to discuss,before removal of FACTUAL DATA. Thank you --Askatu (talk) 16:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The article was deleted per Articles_for_deletion/Iberian-Guanche_inscriptions. You'll need to open a discussion at WP:DRV. I can WP:USERFY it if you want, you'll need to address the concerns raised at the AFD before you put it back into the mainspace. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey - I closed that one...why are you being hassled? Anyway, I'll take a look at how to slice up the semi-protection stuff tomorrow. Fritzpoll (talk) 17:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably due to my membership in Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles... – xeno  ( talk ) 17:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I'm a member of that category as well (will check), but I get very few requests Fritzpoll (talk) 17:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I get the lions share of the requests because it's my userbox at the top of the category page. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Watchlist
I saw something you posted about another watchlist (one of the admin boards, the thread that's so hot with delete and block all the kids who have hidden/secret/guestbook pages) anyway, Is there a way to have multiple watchlists? Maybe one for users, one for articles, one for WP policy and such? Or is that maybe an admin only thing? — Ched (talk) 20:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you create a page of links containing the "separate watchlist" you want, then you can click "related changes" while looking at the page. Example: User:Xeno/unprotects and related changes (i've hidden logged in users). Let me know if you need further guidance on this. –  xeno  ( talk ) 20:34, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * duh - <* facepalm *> why didn't I see that - Thank you. — Ched (talk) 20:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * no worries =) – xeno  ( talk ) 20:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your thoughtful and intellegent comments in the ANI. I appreciate your valuable time. I have seen your noble work before, but I have never actually introduced myself. It is nice to finally make your aquaintance, I hope we work together in the future. Ikip (talk) 02:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thoughtful and intelligent? You must have me confused for someone else ;> – xeno  ( talk ) 13:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

EB
Check your mail. Cheers, yandman  17:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Please delete/oversight this, too. --64.85.214.45 (talk) 17:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Replied. yandman  17:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

From what I see at the talkpage, am I to assume we're letting him/her/them stick around as long as they rename?? GJC 18:29, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, I took their positive contributions into consideration as a mitigating factor. A mistake? – xeno  ( talk ) 18:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure, leaning toward "absolutely". My gut says RUN AWAY!, but I can't deny -some- positive contributions (mostly vandalism reverts, but then again, I'm one to talk, lately.) I just think it sets a bad precedent; positive contributions or not, the "it's not me, it's my mom (/brother/sister/roommate/frenemy/dog/alternate personality)" excuse is worn so thin you can read a novella through it, and I hate to see it legitimized, even "just this once". Good contributions or not, the fact remains: this user was deceiving the community, pretending to be someone they're not, and how do we know they're not STILL pretending? And I find this especially irksome because of the user's obsession with banned user User:Simulation12, who was doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING. It's your call; I've got my concerns, is all. GJC 19:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * yea, i don't really buy it either. i've no prejudice to you blocking if you think that's the best course of action. but most of us use personas, the problem here is that it was an actual person. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to block...not now, anyway. As for "personas"...well, same could be said for me. Somewhere in the world, I'm sure there is an actual "Gladys J Cortez" (I know there is, b/c I Googled her) but it ain't me. The difference is, I make that crystal clear from my first post in any new environment--and other than the name, I don't invent or borrow other characteristics for myself. This person didn't tell anyone--in fact, I'm pretty sure he/she denied being anyone other than who she claimed to be--and either borrowed or invented characteristics for this persona. Like I said, I'm not blocking....but I will be watching the renamed one verrrry closely. Which is no reflection on you, incidentally; you're showing more good faith than I am, which is a good thing.GJC 19:23, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * sometimes a little too much, perhaps. But I will watch as well. thanks for the input. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:24, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

(undent, my glasses are lost and I can't count the correct number of colons) GJC pointed me to this thread, sorry if I'm sticking my nose in where it isn't welcome or needed. I've been concerned about this user for a while; in addition to the now-documented impersonation games, I'm concerned about their frequent participation in drama for the sake of drama on ANI threads, on article talk pages, and on the user talk pages of problem editors, frequently making things worse. They've also felt a little "stalky"; at one point I was called out on their talk page, and they certainly have tended to show up frequently in situations I've been involved in. GJC and I have discussed this user a few times before, and decided there was nothing we could really do, and agreed to keep an occasional eye on them (GJC more than me). However, I was quite surprised just now to see someone making preliminary RFA noises on their talk page, that motivates me to try to nip this in the bud if it isn't too late.

I know exactly where GJC is coming from, but I don't believe a block is appropriate or justifiable; they do make some legit edits, and there's no policy against being young, and you can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting half a dozen dramalovers. But this has been, IMHO, a borderline problem user that has now crossed over the border, if only slightly. At the risk of appearing Machiavellian, I wonder if we could take this opportunity to steer the user to a more productive editing style, insistently if necessary. Before, it would have been "something about you just seems a little off; I insist you get a mentor and back away from the drama". Now it can be "you've been impersonating someone in a somewhat disruptive manner; I insist you get a mentor and back away from the drama".

I know this is going to sound like wimping out, but I promise, it's the truth: In spite of the fact that I'm not great with kids and have been a bit annoyed by this person's behavior, I would have been willing to try to help guide them a little. But I'm hardly going to be online for a few weeks, and I've started weaning myself from daily participation even if/when I come back. I think someone else who is actually around more often would be better as a mentor. If anyone here wants to try (seems like it would be a lot of work), I think we have here a user who could benefit from a somewhat tighter leash for a while.

If y'all agree, I suggest we try to have some kind of control over who the mentor is. Someone has independently volunteered to do so on their talk page already, and I don't think that particular volunteer is a suitable mentor. I had in mind someone a bit older and wiser.

I'll try to check back in on this thread once or twice today in case you'd all like further unsolicited drive-by suggestions that complicate your lives. --barneca (talk) 21:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You're always welcome barneca =]. I think a mentor (in addition to their adopter Shapiros) would be entirely appropriate. but with my on-again-off-again style, I'll probably be passing the buck as well =) perhaps Chrislk02 ? – xeno  ( talk ) 21:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, I hadn't noticed that the "adoption" has already occured. I will muster all my remaining willpower and avoid going off on a tangent of how teeth-gratingly ridiculous most of these "adoptions" are (oops, already failed a little there, didn't I?), and what would happen to them if I were in charge.


 * Chris would be agreat choice if he was interested; I trust his judgement (except for the RFA noises he made on TCK's talk page! :) ), and they seem to have a good rapport. --barneca (talk) 21:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry to take so long to get to this. It took me a bit to figure out what went on.  (I still dont understand the details).  It looks like EB became TCK (why did this happen? are we sure it was not to evade past scrutiny?)  About the admin comments on the page, some early interaction I had with them showed positive signs but the more i dug into there past the more i realzied it was probably a bad comment to leave (that is why I offered to mentor them).  Have them stop by my page and I will do what I can. <font color="1E90FF">Chris <font color="4169E1">lk02  <font color="2A52BE">Chris Kreider 14:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll email you on this. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the email. Im all ramped up and working with TCK now. <font color="1E90FF">Chris <font color="4169E1">lk02  <font color="2A52BE">Chris Kreider 16:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Good man. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Rollback?
He lies to the community and gets rewarded with rollback 3 days later? Ugh, what kind of message is that? Seems like he should at least finish his mentorship. Xeno would you mind reviewing his rollback please? If everyone is OK with it then fine, but I don't know if the granting admin (User:Pedro) knew the background. --(same dude as the other 64 IP above, still dynamic) 64.85.222.56 (talk) 17:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Rollback is a fairly uncontroverial tool, and mentorship is rarely a brief endeavour... I'll keep an eye and ensure rollback is used appropriately as I'm sure will Pedro. – xeno  ( talk ) 04:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Unprotecting indefinitely semi-protected articles
Hi Xeno - I see from your recent post to ANI that you're willing to consult the protecting admin before unprotecting indefinitely semi-protected articles. Please consider this my request for you to consult me before unprotecting any of the (few) articles I have indefinitely semi'd. I promise you'll get a response more constructive than "no". Sarcasticidealist (talk) 03:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I only noticed two that you had, and I was planning on asking about Ctrl+Alt+Del at some point but that one has only been in place for 4 months (I'm working mostly from the oldest up, and I'll probably give up at some point - there's over 1600 of them at last database dump! – xeno  ( talk ) 03:49, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, I would just like to thank you for going through and doing this. Don't know if you remember, but about 5 months ago I went through and unprotected about 500 and found it to be far harder work than I originally thought...so thanks! (Also, let me know if you ever want any help). Cheers, Tiptoety  talk 04:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks... I must admit after tonight's work, I'm starting to worry my eyes might be bigger than my stomach. =) (Especially as I see the chaos that starts to hit some of these articles) – xeno  ( talk ) 04:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, then comes the daunting task of ensuring that the articles do not once again become the subject of vandalism. Though, I have found that ~75 of the articles I unprotected did not require further protection. Tiptoety  talk 04:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL... 75 from 500... bleak outlook. =) – xeno  ( talk ) 04:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I fail. I meant to say 75 percent not just 75. :-P Tiptoety  talk 04:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * *phew* you had me pretty dejected there. 75% is a far better outlook =) – xeno  ( talk ) 04:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Big task, Xeno - fancy a hand? I'm asking so that we can coordinate if you'd like the help - no point us both reviewing the same articles :) Fritzpoll (talk) 15:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Heavens yes =) At this point I'm actually going to wait and see how my current unprotections go (see User:Xeno/sandbox) before diving into anymore, so, have at it... Take a look at WP:INDEFSEMI and let me know what you think is the best way to slice up the pie. MZM seems to update every 4 days or so. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

←I just have to say that you've undertaken a huge job there. :) I don't know if this tip is at all helpful, but the indef-semied article in which I have some involvement, Dapto High School, suggests looking at the editing history of the talk page might be instructive. That particular article, #1511 on your list, still gets periodic vandalism at the talk page from the variable ip vandal who has evidently made it his life's work to express his opinion, uncensored. (See ). I don't know if very many vandals are nice enough to leave, "Hi. Still out here; still interested in vandalizing this; thanks" notes, but maybe it's common. What do I know? :) You may have already thought of it, but, in case not, I thought I'd share my experience. Good luck with it, guys! It's a valiant and probably much-needed undertaking. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That one is lulzworthy... Might make my list =) cheers, – xeno  ( talk ) 15:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You have to wonder, don't you? By the way, so far as I remember I haven't indef semied anything, but if your work should prove me mistaken (maybe I salted something forevah?), feel free to handle according to your best judgment. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * On the subject of very-long-term IP vandals, take a look at Miller Beach, which is semied for a year. An IP-hopping editor disagrees that Miller Beach is a neighborhood of Gary, Indiana, and he returns endlessly. (Actually a year will probably not suffice, our descendants will still be renewing this protection into the next ice age). EdJohnston (talk) 18:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Surely the user is mortal? Will he pass along the compulsion to his children? ;> – xeno  ( talk ) 18:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * <insert appropriately serious face here> Isn't this where it starts? In the long run, it is the good citizens of Miller Beach who will suffer. :( --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:11, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

ytpo
is that anything like a typo? :) S. SimonTrew (talk) 18:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ;> Purely intentional, I swear it. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I am putting my Queen of Sheba costume on. SimonTrew (talk) 18:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Xeno could you do me a favour I want to delete that new article it is not required, out of mu sandbox. I struggle finding my way around.


 * BTW didn't know you was canuck hope you are having a nice spring time my old trout is canuck.

SimonTrew (talk) 19:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want to delete a page from your userspace, you can simply replace the text with db-u1. I'll go ahead and delete it though. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Xeno I will do the checks on the links but there were only two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talk • contribs) 20:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I already fixed the links for you. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah I think you did but I will check them jsut in case. I am trying to pull the whole computing section together, will take some time. Stupid computer graduates who do not make links orw whatever. SimonTrew (talk) 20:11, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * BTW I got an invite to participate in fixing typos that is kinda a nice start. :) Thanks for all your help would guess you had something behind that. SimonTrew (talk) 20:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

there is an edit war on Animal Farm right now. How do I sort this? It is not a big war just it keeps getting changed book, novel,novella. My opinion is well it says A NOVEL on the front so it's a novel. It's certainly a book I suppose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talk • contribs) 21:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would suggest making a thread on the talk page and trying to hack it out there. I notice that it's listed as an example of a novella on that page... – xeno  ( talk ) 21:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring my secret page!
I would like to personally thank you for restoring my secret pages. --HELLØ   ŦHERE 00:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so^1000 much for restoring my page. It was nice helping out at AN, trying to sort out this problem. Happy editing!! Montgomery&#39; 39 (talk) 21:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I really appreciate it! :D CrashGordon94 (talk) 13:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

header
I'm pretty sure this should work no matter what size monitor you have. I don't know why that image won't align to the right, but... oh well. Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855; 16:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

5 years
Re It was based on the lack of useful past contributions and lengthy block log. If you think the encyclopedia would be better off with this IP contributing, please feel free to modify the length of block, but I think we're better off without them. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.
 * You're soft as a kitten, but go ahead. :) Tim Vickers (talk) 18:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here

Resolved
Hi. I removed your from resolved tag from the secret pages thread at WP:AN. Please hear me out. The discussion about MzMcBride has probably run its course, but there is a chat going on about the merit of secret pages and the priorities of the project as a whole. Sending the lot to MfD will likely do ugly things to the former and cause the latter to be dropped. Assuming that MfD is not fundamentally unlike AfD, the higher stakes make it a far less productive and less civil environment than AN. By waiting, we may be able to avoid having to use it altogether. This argument was better before I rewrote it, sucks to be me.

There is another matter. In my nerve-hit opinion, a serious one. If the secret pages go to MfD while most of them are - or just were - deleted, it is going to affect the situation, and it will be an effect achieved not by its merits but by the use of force. That is obscene. --Kiz o r  21:14, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. The reason I closed it was because it seemed that all that was left were people with their hands in their pockets staring at their shoes, but if you think there's still good to come of the thread, so be it. – xeno  ( talk ) 21:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "Hope" may be more accurate than "think", but if I wasn't a foolish idealist, what would I be doing here? Here's hoping... And to lift your spirits in this whole affair, here's a floating dog. --Kiz o r  21:39, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * you just reminded me that I'm not allowed to look at the Tube of You whilst at work ;> – xeno  ( talk ) 21:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Then it's to lift your spirits after you get well out of it and go home. In the meantime, the Headington Shark. --Kiz o r  21:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Fringes
Hi

Any idea why there is such a big gap till the next episode of Fringe ? I did look on the FOX site but can't see anything

I can't wait !! lol

--Chaosdruid (talk) 01:48, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Likely just a typical hiatus (television), they needed time to put together the newly ordered episodes. Great show though, I can't wait either. – xeno  ( talk ) 04:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

statusChanger2.js
Hi, can you help me for Statustop? I created a page for this template in my Turkish page (this is my sandbox for statustop template). Then i added codes my user page and i created my satus page talk. And i made statusChanger2.js for my status. But my statustop tempalte doesn't work. Please help me for this template.
 * Kullanıcı means User in Turkish--Hedda Gabler (talk) 13:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Your wiki does not seem to like the " " movement of the template. I removed it so you can use it, but it won't float above the line. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Legend of the Four Nostrils
We actually have four nostrils!Seems a pointless comment but What I actually meant was that, were should I put this fact (with the evidence of course and an explaination) as I can't find where to. and I did check the page for a place to put it.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  18:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * please elaborate... – xeno  ( talk ) 19:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * We have four nostrils not two, we know this by studying fish as we evolved from fish (apparently) who have four nostrils (two gills to breath and another two as exausted pipes to let out the air), and we have two so scientists say they migrated back inside the heads and are now what connects our nose to our throat. They are called "choannae" (Greek for 'funnel'). Apparently to do this they had to work their way back through our teeth, evidence for this was when Sweden and China found a fossil of a fish called "Kenichthys campbelli" which is a 395 million-year-old fossil and it shows this process half way. It has two nostrils between it's front teeth, which is similar to human embryos at an early stage but if these fail to join up it causes a 'cleft palate'. Is that elaborating enough?  ' The Ninja  lemming '   —Preceding undated comment was added on 19:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC).
 * Properly sourced, this should be added to the Nostril page, I suppose. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Where? (Imagine I am squeaking this)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  19:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably at the bottom? Just tuck it in and if someone thinks it fits better someone else, they'll move it. Be bold! – xeno  ( talk ) 19:54, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done :), by the way, I may need to take a wikibreak in afew weeks to revise for my GCSEs; just telling you  ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:14, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Does that mean people with a deviated septum only have 3? - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Probably not, the second two arn't actually in the nose they are what connects the two tubey liem thingys in your nose to the throat. When the bone is disaligned one would just be smaller then the other, but air whould most likely still be able to get through; because other wise at certain points these people would not be able to breath as you only breath through one nostril at a time, maybe if one was completly crush it may class as one. But people who sniff cocaine can loss the bone seperating them, resulting in one BIG nostril. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninjalemming (talk • contribs) 18:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

request
hey, I figured I should leave my response here also: My preferences shown that I have made over 500 edits? But if you need an explanation, then to increase the efficiency of my edits, as I have taken to helping out more on wikipedia by fighting vandalism etc, and this would be of great use to me, thanks Macromonkey (talk) 20:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I will put the tools to the best use I possibly can Macromonkey (talk) 21:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * no problem. let me know if you need any help with AWB, I'll do my best to assist. cheers, – xeno  ( talk ) 16:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Lie to Me External Link Deleted
I was just curious why you deleted the external link? I am new to this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallagong (talk • contribs) 16:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Blogs are typically not acceptable as external links. If you think an exception should be made in this case, you could raise the issue on the talk page of the article.– xeno  ( talk ) 16:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Just saying hi
Just wanted to say hi and give you a hug you are doing a great job.

SimonTrew (talk) 22:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * cheers =) – xeno  ( talk ) 02:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Man, did I stir up a hornets' nest tonight...
With the whole RHMED thing. Thanks for backing me up.  caknuck <sub style="color:black;">°  is a silly pudding  04:06, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * eh, what a spectacular meltdown. probably nothing anyone could've done to prevent it though. – xeno  ( talk ) 04:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Wiki RP
Join us today! ^Sign Zhe * liel Talk 12:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * i'm getting a vision...its the future...an MFD of this game... (i'd suggest you transwiki it somewhere appropriate before it gets nuked) – xeno  ( talk ) 13:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow. You can see 8 minutes into the future. Now you need to find a very quick sport you can bet on. Horse races, maybe? yandman  13:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (e/c)And so it came to pass that the RP domain was perilously set upon by the hordes of Miscellaneousdeleters, led by the ignoble Lord Fritzpoll, who verily struck the first blow... - coincidentally, just nommed this for deletion when I saw this edit in the watchlist Fritzpoll (talk) 13:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well you must bet quicker horses than me. The other day I had one at fifteen to two and it came in at a quarter past four. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talk • contribs) 13:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Awwwww... I got a ll excited there for a moment while reading the box... then I saw Xeno's reply... then I saw the other replies... now I'm depressed again... - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It sounds like a fun game, but in the current climate, unlikely to survive the pressure cooker of wikipedia. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Alas and alack. Still, back to work... Fritzpoll (talk) 17:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Protecting a section from being archived
Hey. I saw your unarchive and fix do-not-archive bit on this page. Does that actually work? Does Misza look into hidden text to find timestamps? EdJohnston (talk) 16:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should work. The reason it didn't was because I didn't put the UTC and I think there wasn't a user: link. But I remember it working when I put one on CSCWEM's page. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

✅ yep it worked. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm convinced! You can make the bot *delay* archiving. (And I noticed you put some other dates into that section, but left off the 'UTC' to fool the bot). I don't believe Misza looks at the User: link at all. EdJohnston (talk) 16:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You could even put a date so ridiculously far in the future to effectively permanently prevent it =) – xeno  ( talk ) 17:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

AIV Oversights
Hey....how would one go about requesting an oversight for edits like these that you just blocked for? I have never done a oversight request before and would like to take care of it quickly. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer •  Talk  • February 27, 2009 @ 01:57
 * Just paste the diff into Special:Emailuser/Oversight with a quick comment like "inappropriate edit summary". – xeno  ( talk ) 01:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone beat me to it :) I did, though, call Time Warner/RoadRunner tech support for the Rochester, NY area where one of the pieces of vandalism came from.  They might be able to figure out who is doing it and shut them down....which would be good for all of us.  Thanks for your help...<small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • February 27, 2009 @ 02:19

A new question
I hope you don't mind me taking advantage of you when I have questions. You've always been very kind and helpful, and I really appreciate it. So my question now is: What would you do about an article like this? It's only two sentences and, while I'm probably biased, I really, reeeeeeally don't see much notability there. As you can see, it's been tagged for notability for 6 months now and it's barely been touched since then, not to mention that it has zero references. I think it should probably be deleted, but I might be wrong, and even if I'm right I'm not 100% sure whether it should be WP:PROD or WP:AFD. (I'm leaning about 90% toward AFD... right?)

So, although I'm asking about a single article right now, what I'm really asking is whether you'd mind giving me a little guidance on the whole deletion scenario because I've never attempted it before. I've read the two pages referenced above as well as WP:CSD and WP:DEL, but I'm afraid I'm hopelessly confused. ::blush:: Any help you can offer would be appreciated. :) -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk) 06:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * rawr... My personal opinion is... CSD must follow the guidelines of CSD, obvious lack of notability, spam, vandalism, etc... prod is for when it is fairly obvious that the article should be deleted, and you highly doubt that anyone would disagree with you (or articles that aren't specifically covered by CSD; non-notable/hoax/neologisms/etc.)... AfD is when there's a chance that someone might disagree with you, and you think the community needs a consensus... really, CSD is the only one you need to be careful using, due to the strict criteria... This article in particular, I would first try to cleanup (do a google / G-news search for the person), try to find some refs or proff of notability, and if I could not find anything about the subject to show notability, take it to AfD... let me know if you need any help... - Adolphus79 (talk) 06:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I would say that in this case, prod, or maybe even a bold redirect to the Chuck Yeager Air Combat (seems most notable of his mentioned 3 projects) might be in order. Those are kind of a "test the waters" kinda activity, and if you encounter resistance, take it to AFD. You might find an admin who would A7 this, but (without looking at the WP:BIO criteria as I haven't had my morning coffee yet) I'd say the sub-stub's one sentence is a (very weak) assertion of notability. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * looking at it again (now that I'm sober), I would question deletion at all... according to the mobygames website, he seems like he may be failry notable... and G-news seems to have a couple good hits too... if taken to AfD, my vote would probably be keep & cleanup... - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * the question is, how many of those hits apply to this brent iverson ? (found one so far) but i agree, in some cases, trying to improve something like this is often the path of least resistance. (and, imo, the most gratifying). – xeno  ( talk ) 17:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, so... in my defense, before I say the rest of the story... I'm really a cleanup/copyedit kind of girl, not much of a researcher/adder of new material, so I tend to have a bit of a blind spot with that kind of stuff. But I've taken Adolphus' advice and done a bit of research for a change, and... it turns out that Iverson is really something of a celebrity in the field.  By far most of the references online are either (1) Wikipedia mirrors/copy jobs, (2) blogs, forums, or other wikis, or (3) lists of credits for video games, but there are actually a handful of pretty solid references that lean toward some degree of notability.  So I have all the stuff and I'm going to put it together and post it, and then I think we'll have, at the very least, a decent stub with good references.


 * I appreciate the help and advice from both of you. I still want to learn more about the whole deletion thing, but that'll come when the time is right.  Baby steps... baby steps... :) -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk)  17:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, all done. Whaddaya think? -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk)  22:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * wow, you really took that an ran with it. nice job! – xeno  ( talk ) 22:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. OCPD: It's a gift.  And a curse. ;) -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk)  23:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

(undent) Wow... another big thank you for the barnstar! You made my day! -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk) 00:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)