User talk:Xeno/Archive 13

Log of usurp requests for SUL purposes
This is to certify I have made the following requests:


 * http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Benutzernamen_%C3%A4ndern/Benutzernamens-%C3%9Cbernahme#Xeno_.E2.86.90_Xenocidic ✅, Regards, — YourEyesOnly (talk) 07:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Demande_de_renommage_de_compte_utilisateur/Usurpation#Xeno ✅ here as well. Popo le Chien throw a bone 16:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:USURP#Xeno_.E2.86.90_Xenocidic  :✅ Best regards.--Mywood (talk) 22:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:USURP#Xenocidic_.E2.86.92_Xeno ✅ Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 21:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I need someone to help me with the hewikiquote. User has two edits from 2005. ✅ thanks, User:RolandR & Dolev
 * I was trying to find the page you requested; but meanwhile Dolev, a bureaucrat on the site, has arranged this for you -- see your talk page there. RolandR (talk) 21:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cambiare_il_nome_utente/Riassegnazione/Richieste#Disponibilit.C3.A0_di_Xeno ✅
 * Hi, I'm an italian bureaucrat, if you want I'll (according our policy we have to wait 7 days) also rename Xenocidic into Xeno--Vituzzu (talk) 15:54, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be great! Thanks =) – xeno  ( talk ) 16:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done! Now you can say which wiki has the best bureaucrating service :p --Vituzzu (talk) 18:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Schimbarea_numelui_de_utilizator#Xeno ✅ The uzurpation has been completed. User Xeno has been renamed.- Andrei (talk) 11:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hilfe:Benutzernamen_%C3%A4ndern#Xenocidic%20%E2%86%92%20Xeno%20(%C3%9Cbernahme) ✅ Thanks Pill!
 * http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CHU#Xeno_.E2.86.90_Xenocidic ✅, thanks ja:利用者:Kanjy
 * no:Special:Contributions/Xeno (SUL) (101 eds last 9. aug 2007 kl. 14:37)
 * http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Overtagelse_av_brukernavn#Xeno ✅ Xeno is now your account. I renamed the temporary account. If You have any problems, just contact me. Haros (talk) 23:11, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

pl.wiki USURP request

 * pl:Special:Contributions/Xeno (28 eds last 15:24, 20 kwi [april] 2008) http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:USURP#Xenocidic_.E2.86.92_Xeno (permlink)
 * Stalled... local rules require 2 years to pass (4/20/2010) for an account with 10-30 edits to be usurped. =(
 * Xeno didnt provide any e-mail address so i cannot do anything. If we get any answer from him or when we change the rules bout USUPR I will inform You. I cannot do anything else atm. Sorry. Regards! V1t 18:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand. Thank you for your time =) – xeno  ( talk ) 18:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Regular expressions
I noticed Regular expressions. It probably needs a category and mentions on some other pages. Otherwise it will die the death of loneliness from no-one ever reading it. Might even be better as a redirect to a section of some page. Dunno which one though. Want to have a look and see if you can find something? Carcharoth (talk) 01:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I made it because MZMcBride deleted a userpage of his that had some helpful regex examples (but might not have been GFDL compatible) and I'm sure there's others out there who would be left looking if they were used to refering to it. But feel free to spruce up the new page or redirect somewhere useful. – xeno  ( talk ) 01:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/MZMcBride
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/MZMcBride/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/MZMcBride/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Tiptoety  talk 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

request for assessment
How do I enter the Tom Clancy's Endwar article for reassessment? I think it could probably reach a c-class article now.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  18:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * if you think it qualifies as a C class you can change the assessment yourself. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * can you assess an article C class by yourself? I know stub and start can be done by anyone, but I thought C and above needed to be third party assessments... - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:56, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think anything below GA can be assessed by anyone. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, if there are any come backs I'm blaming you! :)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:08, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Just here to say hi
Hello, thank you for the welcome to wikipedia. i hope to make as many productive changes to wikipedia as possible. Thanks again (BenPhillips2009 (talk) 20:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC))
 * No problem, let me know if I can be of any assistance. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * And this is cretainly the place to do it... enough people hang out here... ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (February 2009)
The next issue is ready to go out when you are able. Thanks, MrKIA11 (talk) 00:00, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That was quick, thanks, MrKIA11 (talk) 00:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries =) – xeno  ( talk ) 04:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  00:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I think I found a glitch
This is very minor but I think I found a glitch. So when I first started up wikipedia I received a new message from the WWPG newsletter which I read. Then I moved on to improve some articles and after a few minutes I again saw the orange box with the phrase new message. But when I checked my history nothing has changed. And this happened twice. So why does it says that I got a new message when I don't?--Megaman en m (talk) 11:54, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Same happening here, "You have new messages (last change)" banner has been popping up all morning but no messages / changes. Have purged server cache, bypassed FireFoxes's cache and deleted temp files but to no avail, most strange...(Later edit - now at Village pump |here)   Badgernet   ₪   12:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This is starting to annoy me, this has happened around six times now.--Megaman en m (talk) 12:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry I have no idea why this is happening. WP:VPT is the best place to post something like this. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean you are not a human debugger who has memorized all the media-wiki code and can mentally step through it in real time at time of execution? That is pretty lackluster (maybe admin abuse?)  Come on man, I would expect more from you.  I'll let it slide this time I guess but next time.... lulz Chris lk02  Chris Kreider 14:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hrm, you're right, I will turn in my tools =) – xeno  ( talk ) 14:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * About damn time! - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatever you did, it worked. And if you didn't do anything then I guess the glitch just went away.--Megaman en m (talk) 15:34, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Piracy help?
Hey... I'm sitting here working on WikiProject Piracy, and could use the help of some of yer shiny admin buttons... I was trying to add it to the 1.0 assessment bot's list, and noticed that the quality cat is listed as Category:Piracy-related articles by quality (and the sub-cats are "Category:Piracy-related" also)... that naming style is messing with WP Assessment's bot something fierce... I was wondering if you could do some kind of mass rename or move to "Category:Piracy articles by quality", etc... (I think the importance cats are also named "piracy-related articles" instead of just "piracy articles")... if you can rename/move the cats themselves, I can take care of the templates/links myself... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, is there any way I could hire out yer bot to replace the talk pages that have WP-Piracybanner with WikiProject Piracy? - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, if I could hire out yer bot to add to all the categories under Category:WikiProject Piracy? - Adolphus79 (talk) 08:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think I just figured out a way to to the first bit myself (renaming/moving all the cats), but I am falling asleep at the kboard right now... If you can do the two bot tasks, I think I can figure out the cat stuff tomorrow... thanks man... - Adolphus79 (talk) 08:44, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅, I think. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:34, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Awesome, thank you sir! But I think in the process for cleaning up the cats, we now need to run the first task (banner) again... I think we need to re-transclude the banner for the articles to fall into the new categories... bah... - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup... I just tested it with a null edit to Talk:Piracy... didn't even make a space or anything, just clicked edit and then clicked save... so that's all the bot needs to do to anything that transcludes WikiProject Piracy... - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature_requests/Archive_4, AWB isn't supposed to be used to make null edits en masse, so we'll just have to wait for the queue to catch up. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * OK... I didn't know that... one more WP Piracy request (for now), could you double check that all the articles under Category:Pirates and Category:Privateers are tagged with at least the basic banner? I can work on banner-sorting later once I am sure that everything is at least tagged... now off to upload the bajillion pictures I took at the zoo today... - Adolphus79 (talk) 22:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure how to do this ... you might want to check with a wikiproject tagging bot-op... – xeno  ( talk ) 23:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Whoops
sorry about before, forgot about that I couldn't do that. I think I did something similar on Adolphus' talk page. I'll go and get rid of it before getting in more trouble.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  09:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. – xeno  ( talk ) 02:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Unsourced
You said: "I just wanted to let you know I undid your recent edit because it was unsourced, if it can be reliably sourced, I think it would belong on a different article. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)"

Looks like you are talking about my entry on "nigger" about the term nigger rich. "Nigger rich" is defined in Wictionary - do you really want common dictionary terms sourced? Makes no sense to me. A quick Google give a ton of uses - in book titles, dictionaries, etc. I'm not an academic and have no time to be looking for some non-dictionary citation. Requiring one is a good way to turn off active contributors. Igodard (talk) 00:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here
 * This is the weirest thingy to walk in on, I'm leaving now  ' The Ninja  lemming '  09:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Your Undoing Of My Links for Sheet Music
Xeno, You recently left me a message on my Talk page which I quote "I am specifically talking about your addition of the links to wikifonia, I don't believe these would be allowed per WP:EL. ...". I have reviewed WP:EL, and while I believe I understand the intent of this guideline, I don't understand why it applies in this case. I would really appreciate you explaining why you have chosen to Undo my recent additions.

I am not affiliated with the Wikifonia project. I am a frequent user and contributor to Wikifonia and decided to add references to their site strictly for what are to me, well-intended reasons. Before adding any links, I did inform the two principal designers and maintainers of Wikifonia of my intentions. They informed me that sheet music which is presented and distributed by Wikifonia is legitimate and legal. All the original copyright holders of the music are properly compensated through their foundation if a user decides to download a personal copy of the music.

It should be noted that the form of the sheet music that Wikifonia presents are lead sheets. These are NOT arrangements of the song, but are in a form that is consistent with how a song is submitted for copyright. In other words, the lead sheet is not subject to claims of artistic interpretation and represents the intent the the original composer.

Wikipedia has hundreds of articles about songs, but I have been frustrated that the vast majority of these articles focus on recordings and interpretations of this music, and not on the original music itself. It seemed to me that a reference to a copy of the original music would be extremely helpful to many readers of these articles. Why, for example is it acceptable for there to be hundreds of links, many of them external links, to recordings of a song, but it is not acceptable to have a link to the sheet music representing a song? It would seem to me that nothing could be more appropriate as an external reference or link that a link to the sheet music that represents this song. What better reference for academic analysis of a piece of music.

I have noticed dozens, even hundreds of references to www.jazzstandards.com throughout Wikipedia. Jazzstandards.com is a commercial site. It is an excellent reference for historical and musicological analysis of songs, but it sells and advertises recordings and books as well. How is a reference to Wikifonia different from one for Jazzstandards.com?

If an article about a song contained a section which consisted of a musicological analysis of the song, would it then be acceptable to reference the sheet music for the song?

I would very much appreciate your helping me to better understand the specific issues and concerns in this case. It is not my intent to SPAM, unduly or unfairly promote a commercial entity, or violate the 'rules' of Wikipedia. But, your opposition to my edits doesn't make sense to me.

Thank you,

EulerOperator

EulerOperator (talk) 23:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Sheet music, one other question ...

Xeno,

The sheet music on Wikifonia, represents a particular "transcription" of the music for a song. If these references were signified as "Notable transcriptions", instead of "Published sheet music" would that be any different? How is it that "Notable recordings" would be acceptable content for Wikipedia, but "Notable transcriptions" would not?

Thanks,

EulerOperator

EulerOperator (talk) 00:00, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Xeno,

I have had the opportunity to examine WT:SONGS as you recommended. The recommended guideline at the following location WT:SONGS (sorry, can't seem to make this link work) specifically indicates that external links to sheet music and tabs can/may be included in the External References section of an article which falls under this category.

Given this guideline, do you have any further objections to my including an external reference to a lead sheet on Wikiphonia? I have examined other song articles with external and these would seem to be consistent. There is clearly the concern about copyright infringement which WT:SONGS references for lyrics in particular. In the case of lead sheets on Wikiphonia, copyrights are fully protected. See: http://www.wikifonia.org/legal/copyright.

Thank you,

EulerOperator EulerOperator (talk) 04:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

The Music of Grand Theft Auto IV
Oh hello there, I suggest that the page doesn't go to the template at all since it's just soundtrack release of what's in the main game. We don't have the complete Vice City box set in the template either so I believe it should be removed. Thanks! The Phantomnaut (talk) 01:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Metal Slug?
I'm trying to update the Metal Slug Anthology article but may need some help wording it correctly, can you check it to make sure it's okay. Thanks  ' The Ninja  lemming '  18:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no familiarity with this subject. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant could you checck to see that I haven't made a blatent mistake or just worded something extremely badly, you don't have to know about the subject in hand. =|  ' The Ninja  lemming '  21:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * How do you align pictures to the right of userbox type stuff? Thanks matey =)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * See Template:Userbox-r – xeno  ( talk ) 20:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I got there eventuallly, after looking past the hundreds of squiggles. :)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  21:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ! :)
Hey thanks man. I dont get what you meant by the last part...  Vinson   22:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Mosquito (percussive maintenance)
Uh oh I left you a message but not where it said leave new message. I think this will do the same thing but I better do it the proper way. So excuse me for any duplicate:

Why does it not prop it up? I admit it is a weak, I could find no better. There was a story in the paper about vandals damaging the blighters but I can't find a ref. Surely a weak reference is better than none at all?

I am so enjoying getting into editing this stuff. Lots to learn.

SimonTrew (talk) 15:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The ref basically only proves the existence of the machines which could be done just by linking The Mosquito. You need a ref that proves the kids damage them via percussive maintenance. You can cite a newspaper even if its not online (if you still have the paper). See Template:cite news. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Brilliant, thanks, although searching I had not found that link. As for the bit about kids hurting emeselves-- I never said that-- just put percussive maintenance on the machine (i.e. kicked it in). I don't want Wikipedia to become a comedy act, I am sure you see from my editing of other articles that it is not the case, but for this particular article a bit of light fun seems in the spirit of the article (though still encyclopaedic etc etc just a bit more light-hearted).


 * Thanks I will add the ref, if you have not already. SimonTrew (talk) 15:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I fixed the link and did dome other repairs in the articles thence linked (surprisingly many) I think this is all done now and you can delete this off your list if you want. Didn't know you was Canadian grrr thought I'd finally got rid of em after 10 years they still keep coming back. Eh? :) Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 20:05, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * cool, the mosquito thing still needs a proper cite to verify the percussive maintenance bit though, so I've tagged as such. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah I think that will have to stay like that for a while, most external references are just corporate blah so it is hard to hunt down a decent ref. When I find one that is good, neutral, and stable, I will add it. But (as you implicitly agree) I think it worth adding the little section SimonTrew (talk) 00:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

matchbox cars deleted content
yes could you e-mail the cars diecast page please. i was unaware of the discussion. thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ford1206 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I am trying to find it. It was on the bottom of a talk message I sent to you, presumably just not quite formatted with a "==" header properly to make it its own section. I've looked through the history but can't find it. SimonTrew (talk) 19:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * eh? (confused face) – xeno  ( talk ) 19:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh dear also confused. When I edited my little bit, there was stuff on the bottom about die-cast vehicles; I assume that the author had not put it into a separate section. Does that make sense? So I split it out but didn't know where to put it, cos I didn't want to misrepreresent him and thought oh well you can find it from the history.


 * I am becoming so addicted to this editing malarkey. One day I might even be good at it. SimonTrew (talk) 21:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * BTW is this the right place to talk? I mean I have not worked out if I should talk on my talk page or others'. SimonTrew (talk) 21:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You can talk wherever you want (on talk pages, not articles, obviously)... the good thing about talking here is that there are several people that watch this page, and therfore you can get several answers (or a sometimes faster answer if Xeno is slacking off!)... - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the editor had placed his question in your section. You made a header for it, and then I changed the header to what it is now. Don't sweat it =) And yep, you can talk here... I usually reply here as well, to keep things in one place. – xeno  ( talk ) 22:02, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No worries I am not sweating :) I really enjoy doing the editing but make silly mistakes just with the technicalities of wikipedia– which even I find absurd for myself because for twenty-five years now I have been paid to write software. I have spent hours today editing articles about old machines and technolgy, and then can miss the "Show Changes" button. My user page should say "brilliant but clumsy". SimonTrew (talk) 22:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I must admit I didn't notice the show changes button for a good while... maybe even after I had become an admin (lol). – xeno  ( talk ) 23:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

AWB & protected pages
Can you use the new rev of AWB to make the list of fully protected talk pages? I've tried in the past to compile the revs and failed miserably. I have to rely on Reedy's compiled snapshots, and he doesn't have this version up yet.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  19:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I am similarly newbish in regards to compiling the svn's. Just poke Reedy in the belly, and either a new SVN snapshot or some candy will fall out. A win-win situation. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I do wonder at times if i would be full of candy if poked... I'll get one up in a bit =) — Ree dy  19:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * lulz =) cheers mate. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:57, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Great. Cleanup on aisle 4 my keyboard now. I should not drink tea while reading talk pages.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  20:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

4066 is up. With some other new list providers :P — Ree dy  20:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I just downloaded it and will get busy on the list.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  20:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

your fast track deletion of my Survivors UK entry
Hi Xeno

I think it was you who deleted my submission of a new entry Survivors UK yesterday. I wonder if you may reconsider and allow me to resubmit. Here are my reasons.

Survivors UK is a not for profit charity with no other reason for existence except to help people. A similar charity, Childline, does have a comprehensive page on Wiki. Indeed there are many entries describing charities on Wiki.

Another reason is that Survivors UK is different from any other support service in the UK. No other service is dedicated solely to professional support for males.

A third reason for inclusion (and I was admittedly too diffident to include this) is that the growth of Survivors UK reflected a sea change in UK Government Home Office policy during the 1990s, when it was finally acknowledged that adult male sexual assault was a genuine social problem. I have no citation for this, it was covered in my training to be a Survivors UK helpline volunteer.

I hope you'll be able to reconsider.

Attendantlord (talk) 09:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi. I'm not Xeno, so please pardon the unasked input. I have Xeno's page on my watchlist, and as I am a fan of "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" found your name evocative. :) It was not Xeno who deleted your article, but User:Discospinster. The article was tagged as giving no indication that it might be of encyclopedic importance. This does not mean that the organization cannot have an article, but only that the one you wrote was judged as not suggesting it could meet guidelines.


 * The notability guidelines for such organization can be found at WP:ORG. Non-commercial organizations need to be national or international in scale, and they need to have been covered in reliable, unconnected sources. The best way to secure this organization is to create a new article that verifies that it meets those criteria with such reliable sources. (As it seems that you may be connected with the organization, please be careful to follow our conflict of interest guidelines, which means in part that you must be particularly careful to be neutral and to restrict the article to verifiable fact, without original observations or opinions.)


 * Generally, I begin working on such articles with a google news search, here. Not everything found there will be usable--press releases, for example, are excluded. I would also look at google books, here. (The google books result is, I think, very encouraging. I have not scanned for false positives, but I can see at a glance that some are right on.) Finally, a general google search, though tedious, can help you find reliable websites that are not affiliated with the organization. The organization's own websites are only usable to add detail. They cannot verify notability.


 * I would be happy to "userfy" what you already had for further development, but I would strongly suggest you build onto the article to bring it in line with those various policies and guidelines prior to moving it into article space. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and userfied as suggested by my friend Moon^. You can find the article at User:Attendantlord/Survivors UK. Build on it based on Moon's suggestions and once you feel it meets our criteria you can move it back into the mainspace. Let me know if you need anything further on this. best, – xeno  ( talk ) 12:38, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

protection
Hi, I noticed that you have protected protist due to a high revert ratio. Could you please apply similar protection to genetic engineering? There are very few positive edits made to it. I got it protected for a day but that was pretty pointless! Thanks. Smartse (talk) 17:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅, cheers. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank You!Smartse (talk) 17:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

NobelBot
Hello

Xeno

I'm The operator of NobelBot, Please unblock it, I'stop it adding interwiki in templates. Regardsجمال بركات (talk) 14:43, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅, please clean up after it as well if others have not already done so. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:45, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

RfD font-size
Sorry about that! I'm using Firefox and it came out fine, I must have silly accessibility settings or something! ╟─ Treasury Tag ► contribs ─╢ 18:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * lol, no problem =). ironic that I edited your comment, while raising a concern about you editing other comments ;> – xeno  ( talk ) 18:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

New funky banner
What the hell does the new funky banner mean, it scares me withs its 'presentation before April 5' bit; especially the word 'before' I some times have nightmares about this spooktastic word. Not really, ar your so gulible Mr. mibibles  ' The Ninja  lemming '  15:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I dunno, I already hid it. Either click through to read about it, or click "hide". – xeno  ( talk ) 22:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I checked and in a nutshell, it is just a very big thing that allows everyone to talk about ways to improve the wiki project. But you don't just talk you do lots of other stuff, it says it very quickly at the top of the page. -) (met one eyed Jack)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  09:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

talk page deletion flurry
I follow a few of the articles whose talk pages you have deleted. I think you may have been somewhat overzealous in some cases. The one I'll discuss here is Talk: {earl Harbor Advanced Knowledge.

The talk page was rather incoherent in some respects, befitting the general state of the field and of the article. Nonetheless, despite some less than edifying content, it (and archives) did include a great deal of value to editors of the article. In particular, it served -- for those who looked or could be induced to look -- as a record of issues considered and consensus achieved on this or that, or many other, points. And so, in an imperfect sense, served as a kin fo ratchet pawl, moving the article ahead and avoiding to some little extent, following the same cycle of edits and disputes to whioh this subject is prome.

In looking over your contrib history, I noticed a very large number of talk page removals, some from article which surely have something of use in the talk pages for future editors. I'm at a loss to see the need or benefit of many of these. Woulc you enlighten? ww (talk) 07:07, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm mistaken, every single talk page I deleted in the last two days met two criteria:
 * Only one edit to the page
 * The edit consisted entirely of adding WPRedir or one of its redirects (a good faith edit that nevertheless added a very wrongheaded template thus creating an unnecessary talk page).
 * These deletions were discussed here: AN (permlink). Anyhow, the same two criteria are true for Talk:Pearl Harbor advanced-knowledge debate (as indicated in the deletion log entry). As you are an administrator, you could've looked at the deleted edit to confirm this... I believe the relevant talk page history you are referring to is here: Talk:Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge debate. Let me know if you had any further questions on this. cheers, – xeno  ( talk ) 12:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well... Umm... Errr... Ahhh....
 * It has become apparent in recent years that my ability to pull allnighters has decreased from days of yore. Combined with the vision issue, we seem to have reached the underlying issue. My wathlist turned up the deletion (a page I follow, not with much enthusiasm, as you'll have noted) and a referral to it led to much consternation. Albeit muzzy, due to lack of sleep and the aforementioned (once actually present, I think I remember) inability to keep working. Hence the note above. In retrospect, how my watchlist included a delete of a different page is not so clear, even after getting some sleep.
 * As for being an administrator here, I have concentrated on a very small part of WP and on readability for the Average Reader. I have yet to learn much about the scaffolding behind the scenes which keeps the whole enterprise more or less working. My acceptance of that status noted that I'd not likely do so, and I was prescient in this. Foreseeing not much available time is, alas, no evidence of Cassandra like powers.
 * So, I guess the thing to do is to say, "oops"! My apologies. ww (talk) 16:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries, I'm sure this thread may assist further people who may show up with the confused face =) best regards, – xeno  ( talk ) 16:32, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

revision deletion of Nasdijj
Hi Xeno!

Some offline weirdness turned me to this article. Can you let me know why you deleted these revisions? As far as I can see, reverting the edits and blocking the individual would have been enough, although he clearly has no idea how Wikipedia works. Bastique demandez 17:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Argumentum ad Jimboneum: Jimmy asked me to keep a close BLP watch on the article after I unprotected it, so I wanted to get that stuff out of there. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow... something too old for me to know about! I'll have to ask Jimmy, thanks. Bastique demandez 18:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Templates
Is there a link that would help specifically, for making and editing templates?  ' The Ninja  lemming '  09:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Try User:Xeno/wikiadopt and User:Xeno/wikiadopt. – xeno  ( talk ) 12:17, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah. Why do I always forget to look in your special help pages. -) (one eyed Jack returns)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:53, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

i SPI, with my little eye...
I think its high time that this Erikeltic puppet show close out its run. However, I haven't really had a lot of success filing SPI reports before. As there is another report about this user (which stalled out), could I trouble you for assistance in checking it out before I file? - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  17:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I must admit that I haven't had much experience with the new WP:SPI, but I'll see if I can lend any insight. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the reason the first report stalled was because all the reported users were duck-blocked anyway... – xeno  ( talk ) 17:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

?
I think that the taunting of Axmann8 seems a bit much and should be removed from his talk page. Also, I'd like to chat regarding his blocking. While he certainly isn't explicitly helping matters, he isn't actually doing or threatening to do anything wrong. Organizing conservatives to write a Criticism of Barack Obama article isn't against Wikipedia rules. Now, if the same group acts as if they own such an article and prohibit anyone else for editing it, that is a different issue. Using "Barack Hussein Obama" vs. President Obama vs. Barack Obama vs etc. is a matter for the talk page. Expressing a basic opinion regarding the keeping/deletion of a page that someone else nominated isn't wrong. I'd like to at least have a chance to review this block as it seems unjustified, IMHO. — BQZip01 — talk 21:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Is that what you meant? I reblocked indefinitely because his unblock request just showed how much his politics is going to continue to inform his on-wiki behaviour and I don't see improvement forthcoming. However, if you feel the block should be reduced back to 30 days, I won't object. The original block needs to be discussed with Orangemike or brought back to ANI. – xeno  ( talk ) 21:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's what I was talking about. The comments by OrangeMike are a little out of line and seem kind of petty on Axmann's talk page. More to the point though. His initial block doesn't seem to be justified. While blowing up at someone for arbitrarily blocking him certainly didn't help, the person who blocked him seems to have a pretty clear conflict of interest (Axmann wants to start a page similar to another that was kept about Barack Obama=indef block, but OrangeMike advocates prosecution of a politician on his user page and that isn't a problem?). All I'm asking is for some clarification as to the rationale. Our guidance on what you can/can't keep/delete on your own talk page seems pretty sparse and seems to justify (in general) his comments. Lastly, there is some controversy about President Obama's taking office as his birth certificate is locked up in Hawai'i. That isn't to say he shouldn't be president or that he's some sort of usurper, but that controversy indeed exists. Commenting on it and Wikipedia's (perceived leftward) tilt by WND seems perfectly justified in discussion. Inclusion in an article is another matter altogether, but that's not the reason I'm here and doesn't really apply to the situation at hand. — BQZip01 —  talk 21:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I obviously agree with the original block otherwise I wouldn't have extended it. This user was unblocked in good faith with the assumption he would calm down with pushing his political biases but returned right back to it. The venues aren't really important, it's the behaviour itself that's problematic. Have you been in touch with Axmann at all? Has he indicated he understands where he's going wrong? – xeno  ( talk ) 21:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I advocate the elimination of all "Criticism of FOO" pages. I was only "taunting" Ax because he seems to labor under the delusion that telling WND on us is a threat of significance. Is he also going to tell the Weekly World News? The Onion? Nobody advocated anything being done to Ax about anything on his talk page, so I don't see how my clear disclosure of my ideological tendencies on mine becomes relevant. And the "controversy" (so-called) about the birth certificates already is covered in Wikipedia in far greater depth than it deserves. (I suspect I'm the only Wikipedia editor who ever worked in a state Vital Statistics office and understands what a faked-up piece of nonsense this bit is.) -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  03:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * On further consideration, I reinstated the original block. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I took the threat as hyperbole, much as your comments here.
 * The fact you were taunting him at all is problematic, especially with your status as an admin.
 * "And the "controversy" (so-called) about the birth certificates already is covered in Wikipedia in far greater depth than it deserves. (I suspect I'm the only Wikipedia editor who ever worked in a state Vital Statistics office and understands what a faked-up piece of nonsense this bit is.)" Respectfully, your personal experiences are irrelevant in this context. Your opinion that the controversy is nonsense is also irrelevant. The fact that this is indeed a controversy that exists is not POV as long as an appropriate explanation is provided and it doesn't serve to promote a WP:FRINGE cause.
 * He was initially blocked for things on his user page, so, the referencing the initial block in context of another block is appropriate since there is some backlash based upon the first block. While he nominated an item for deletion that really wasn't necessary, he also never edited a political article, only commented on one already up for deletion.
 * With such work experience, I doubt you are the only one of millions of editors that has worked in such a capacity, though you may be the only admin. — BQZip01 —  talk 01:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Axmann
You unblocked him? Did he find the Lord or something? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 05:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I just reinstated the original block. While his bad faith characterization of the blocking admin was unacceptable, I am hoping that he will see the error of his ways. – xeno  ( talk ) 12:21, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I botched the reblock and inadvertantly unblocked him, but it seems some good will come of it. – xeno  ( talk ) 12:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * He has voluntarily accepted a 5-month self-imposed ban on editing political topics, and has been unblocked. I'm okay with that, and have told him so. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  13:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Cheers Mike, sorry for the botching there, but in the end hopefully it turns out to be a net benefit. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Unblock
Me and Jéské Couriano worked out a deal, and he unblocked me. I am currently under a 5-month Politics topic ban. I think I'm just going to work on vandalism reversion for a while (new page patrol, etc.)

Cheers, -Axmann8  ( Talk )  12:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, that sounds reasonable. I've left a message for Orangemike, just to make sure that's ok. cheers, – xeno  ( talk ) 12:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Quick
He can you move what was on the page that was deleted to User:Ezekiel 7:19/vill. Thanks, Cheerio!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 19:21, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 'tis already done sir. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Damn, your quick.-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 19:23, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fastest userfier in the North, they say... – xeno  ( talk ) 19:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, well I don't know too many Canadians (except some of my clan members). As you can see I'm building up a College Hoops userbox collection. So far I'm halfway done with the big east. I also liked how you implemented video game like things in that section of my talk page, it reminds me of Team Fortress Classic.-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 19:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe, yea, I was playing off the tagger's friendly fire analogy. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know. Well I better get home from school. Cheerio!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 19:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Abuse Filter editors
Hi xeno, whats an "Abuse Filter editor"? Flagged revisions hasnt got the go ahead has it!? Cheers John Sloan (view / chat) 23:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * See WP:FILTER which just went into action today. Currently Abuse Filter editor privelege isn't being given out while consensus is determined whether or not it's safe to grant to non-administrators. – xeno  ( talk ) 23:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * An interesting read. Looks like a good idea! John Sloan (view / chat) 00:32, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Important
Introducing, for the 3 readers who've never heard this joke before, Xeno's pair o' ducks... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baseball Bugs (talk • contribs) 23:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd fold 'em =] – xeno  ( talk ) 00:06, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Kinda makes me wish I'd kept my trips... — BQZip01 —  talk 01:23, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

My talk page
If I remember correctly, I have the right to remove any comment I want from my userpage. It may be looked-down upon, but there was no reason to keep a majority of what was on my user talk page anyway. It was mostly warnings, etc. I haven't got one nice comment since I joined that I can remember. Once I get such a comment, I'll keep it. I don't like looking at (and I'm sure others don't like looking at) negativity every time I look at my talk page. I would, frankly, request that you make no further comments on my talk page about keeping the comments either. It might sound harsh, but I know that Wikipedia policy states that I can remove whatever comments I want from my userpage, and I'm tired of people telling me what I can or can not do, when I know the policy. I don't like people trying to confuse me by telling me I need to do or not do something when it is up to me to decide which course of action to take.

I appreciate other kinds of help, but I just wish people would stop telling me what to do when Wikipedia policy obviously states otherwise.

-Axmann8  ( Talk )  19:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I explicitly stated you were well within your right to remove comments. However, every comment I've seen you remove so far without reply has been a good faith attempt to assist you in becoming a better editor. I think perhaps you are imparting more negativity onto the comments then is actually there. Anyhow, that's just my opinion. Regards, – xeno  ( talk ) 19:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that I think on it, that is probably true. I do have a tendency to take things negatively. Not to come up with a sob story or make excuses, but I was the kid everyone hated in school and I tend to take things in offense even when offense is not intended. Again, not like that's an excuse or anything. -Axmann8  ( Talk )  10:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries, just try to AGF, most people are generally helpful and pleasant here. regards, – xeno  ( talk ) 12:29, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Protection
Would you consider semi-protecting this and this? Thank you,  Enigma msg  02:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ for 6 & 1 month(s) respectively. – xeno  ( talk ) 12:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Special:AbuseFilter/58
I've disabled this filter because it had an excessive runtime. Please take care of it before re-enabling. - Mgm|(talk) 10:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently, it was some spike in the runtime. More filters suffered from it and the thing is down to reasonable times again. I re-enabled it. - Mgm|(talk) 10:40, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not my filter (see the history), I just tweaked the name per WP:DENY. Thanks for the note, though. – xeno  ( talk ) 12:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

On blanking...
Re I did see that thread, and I thank you for the information. I really did think they had to leave their warnings up til they were unblocked...and honestly, I don't think that would be a bad policy to have, what with all these "serial apologizers" who give the verbal equivalent of puppy-dog eyes when they're blocked, then go back to their old ways as soon as they're not...But then again,I'm beginning to realize that when it comes to misconduct, I do have a bit of a vindictive/punitive/vigilante-esque side, which is probably why I have little or nothing to do with policy development! Needless to say, though, I won't spread that bit of incorrect info again; as far as who is emulating my misconceptions...is it who I think it is? GJC 22:48, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.

Same IP?
Hi Xeno. If you have a minute, would you mind checking to see if these three accounts are all logging in from the same IP address? The logins are Docrapha, Stinky999, and Serendipity9. Thanks. --AzureCitizen (talk) 15:28, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This is beyond my abilities, you would require a WP:CheckUser (and good reason) for this. See WP:SPI. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:29, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't realize that was a function that was very restricted. Makes sense based on privacy reasons I guess.  Regardless, thanks for such a quick reply anyway. --AzureCitizen (talk) 15:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep (re privacy)... No problem. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:32, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Expert Opinion
I know this really isn't important and I don't want to waste your time but I just wanted to tell you that I've been making userboxes based on college basketball lately (found here) and I just want your expert opinion on how I'm doing so far. Any advice? Thanks!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 14:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They look pretty good!... Maybe some images? Of course since the logos would likely be copyrighted, you'd need to find similar free images. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You know I tried that (as in using copy written material) but Hammersoft didn't take that very lightly. I'm not sure iwan't to waste my time finding similar free images quite yet. It makes the creation process take longer, well for me at least.-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 15:06, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just try to remember that userboxes and the like are a nice distraction but ultimately we are ultimately here to build the encyclopedia... You have nearly 600 edits, only 27 (0.045%) of which are to the mainspace. Consider joining a WikiProject or helping with WP:DPWL or something like that. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know. I try to give myself a good name maybe a bit too much. But hey, UBX created a ton of user boxes and I'm just trying to expand his work by covering college sports as well. As a matter of fact I noticed something missing from a disambiguation page and I think I'll take care of that right now.Cheerio!-- Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 15:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * UBX isn't an actual person, it's an account created to house userboxen that were migrated from template space in The Great Userbox Migration of 2007... Just look at articles that interest you and see if you can make minor improvements. Or hit Special:Random and learn something new and see if you can improve the article at all. Or patrol Special:RecentChanges. Boost that mainspace count! – xeno  ( talk ) 15:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * With all your interest in college basketball, you may even consider joining WikiProject College Basketball... I'm sure they could use some help... - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)



ChimpanzeeUK  - User | Talk | Contribs has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.


 * You know what would be cool, is a super-userbox that used the #switch parser functions to choose which college basketball team's userbox you wanted. So they would type   and get the villanova userbox. You could cut down on the number of subpages you needed to do all colleges as well this way. See User:Xeno/wikiadopt for more on how to use parserfunctions. –  xeno  ( talk ) 13:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, there's some great info on that page. I wish I had seen that earlier... –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  13:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, I learned a lot reading that stuff. I just tweaked my header a bit maybe more people will stumble onto it. =) – xeno  ( talk ) 14:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Confirmation
Could you please confirm this request? Thanks. Bisbis (talk) 04:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Confirmed, thank you. – xeno  ( talk ) 04:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Bisbis (talk) 04:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks again =) – xeno  ( talk ) 04:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done at nlwiki as well. --Erwin(85) 11:17, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! – xeno  ( talk ) 15:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Yo
Yo xeno, can you help me put this on to this list, I am having trouble putting it on as every time I do the page...dies to say the least. Cheers in advance and guess who? -)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  16:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Your problem is probably related to using and = sign in the name of the userbox. A template may pick it up as a paramater. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. don't use = in name of subpage... – xeno  ( talk ) 20:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Cheers -)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  09:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

VOA
Re Thanks for your note. No problem. I doubt any good would have come from that account.  Will Beback   talk    21:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

ANI
I'm about to send you an e-mail that has nothing to do with ANI. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 15:57, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I sent a response to your e-mail from a few minutes ago. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 14:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

hey
I complained about the Fleshlight article being spammed before I changed the link myself, there was an affiliate code there for god knows how long, so I wanted to check if anyone was going to do anything about, it's not me you should worry about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josh2xx (talk • contribs) 16:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So you decided to add your own? Then, when you saw I did do something about it, you added it again? – xeno  ( talk ) 16:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Fleshlight. I have blacklisted 'fleshlight.com?link=' (or possible variations ..). That should stop the spamming. However, I don't want to unprotect the article without first consulting you, it seems there is more going on on the article. What'd you think? --Dirk Beetstra T C 19:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Good stuff. I only protected it for the affiliate business. It was previously indefinitely protected, I lowered it per User:Xeno/unprotects. Its really up to you, no prejudice either way. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Umm yeah did you read what I said? You don't have to worry about me I was the one who reported the problem. I changed it since I think changes on pages attract some sort of attention from bots or moderators. Some one else was changing the link code before you got to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josh2xx (talk • contribs) 19:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Next time you want the attention of an administrator, please post at the appropriate noticeboard (i.e. WP:AN/I). – xeno  ( talk ) 19:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I unprotected the editing (move is still there), and watchlisted the site. I would say, first sign of attempts to circumvent the blackist -> protect again. --Dirk Beetstra T C 19:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I must admit I have to be wary of working on this page, if someone were to walk by my desk and see those images of the devices, they might get the wrong idea! ;> – xeno  ( talk ) 19:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the problem. Josh2xx (talk) 20:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Help restoring vandalism
Xeno,on 27 October, you moved an essay I wrote from a subpage of WP:MOSNUM to WP-space.

There is an upcoming ArbCom-sponsored RfC and we’ve linked to that essay (the views of which are shared by a large segment of Wikipedians) here.

An opposing editor, User:Locke Cole today moved that article to my user space.

…I see you just now jumped in. Thanks.

Please check Locke’s contributions. He did it again after being warned on his talk page.

Greg L (talk) 16:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell he only did it once, at 15:16 zulu. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * And again at 16:50. Greg L (talk) 17:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * oh, ok, I see he undid your C&P move. Anyhow, I left some comments at his talk page. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I was coming here to solicit you to do a proper move so all the history went with. I didn’t know how to do moves unless I spend a lot of time researching (I just don’t do it often enough). I was in the middle of writing my above post when I saw that you had already stepped in, restored everything to the way it was, and left those comments on Locke’s talk page. In the engineering world, we have an idiom that is used like this: “Don’t ask me how we would do this; just assume through FM (fu***** magic) that we can pull it off.” Before I even posted my request here, you restored everything via FM. Thanks again. Greg L (talk) 17:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am magic ;p In the future just use db-move if a redirect page is holding up a move. best, – xeno  ( talk ) 17:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Now look at what Locke has done. I shouldn’t have to watch, second-by-second, for Locke’s disruption. Can you help put a stop to this or advise if I should file an ANI? Greg L (talk) 17:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I did tell him to seek further discussion before moving it again, so I suppose MFD is an appropriate venue. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:20, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: moar templates
Re I'll try to take a look at it soon - not sure if I'll have a whole lot of time tonight and almost certainly won't tomorrow since I'm moving back into my residence hall after spring break. I'll let you know what I come up with. :-) <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 01:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.
 * Check it out: User:Hersfold/Hersfold's Sandbox has the main template, iw-matrix, and User:Hersfold/Hersfold's Sandbox/Template has iw-matrix/lang. It should now be able to handle any language of any project except wikispecies (because the editcount tool doesn't do species from what I can tell). It can also accept advanced userrights for any project, including the English Language ones. To avoid confusing things, I have named all of the parameters, so this is no longer backwards compatible. You'll need to update the other instances of the template when this goes into use. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 16:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here. More here.

Sorry!
I should have looked more carefully before reverting it looked like the PC had been removed but you just changed it to windows woops... I was in a rush to change it back ;) Sorrysorry it was uncalled for saying it was vandalism, I just totally misread it :S Hope this version is ok I just changed it so it says PC + windows (windows is on other things than PCs like the windows light version for palm pcs) --Kittins floating in the sky yay (talk) 13:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. FYI, Platforms are listed in chronological order based on their release date. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * International English

I replied on my talk page --Kittins floating in the sky yay (talk) 13:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Reverted
Just wanted to say your edit was reverted recently, cheers. Dengero (talk) 13:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I don't particular care enough to bother following it up, but feel free to do so. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

216.120.198.130
Re Yeah, go ahead, actually. I was almost tempted to do that anyway to express my disapproval of the indefblock without an extremely good reason, but that's wheel warring. Daniel Case (talk) 15:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.
 * The best way to avoid wheel wars is not to start them in the first place (Or are you doing your impression of an unblock request by someone blocked for 3RR :-)?) Daniel Case (talk) 15:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.

Thanks - Tom Green Article, Rollback, Huggle
Thank you for the protetion added to this page. It was causing a great amount of time to be spent on this article, as consistant vandalism occured. Thanks again —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankie0607 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thank you for your efforts on this. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Applying for rollback - Your Opinion

I feel that applying for Rollback will enable for me to utilise my full capabilites to revert vandalism. Based on experience do you think I have contributed sufficently to gain these rights? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankie0607 (talk • contribs) 16:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Granted. Don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much, I will in future. -- <span style="border:1px solid #110011;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"><font color="#110099">Frankie0607  17:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Huggle Help

I am having problem configuring Huggle with use with Rollback feature.

Can you help me?

It is reverting me to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Frankie0607/huggle.css"

What coding is for use in this page?

Thanks -- <span style="border:1px solid #110011;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"><font color="#110099">Frankie0607  17:14, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe you just need to add the words "enable:true" on that page.


 * Thanks very much for your help -- <span style="border:1px solid #110011;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"><font color="#110099">Frankie0607  17:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Anytime! – xeno  ( talk ) 17:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * More thanks for Tom Green article protection

The amount of vandalism was becoming ridiculous and I am glad to see the article is protected for a whole 6 months. Thank you. <font color="DeepSkyBlue">WAT ( talk  •  contributions ) 19:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I guess I should point out I'm the one that unprotected it and let the vandals loose ;> But seems to be a popular target, and a BLP, so protection is warranted. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Rollback in the watchlist
Re Ah, cool, thanks for the link! I'll certainly be installing that. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  22:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.
 * Yeah, the problem is that it's sometimes convenient, but it's far more likely I'll accidentally end up rollbacking Jimbo... –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  22:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.

Regarding the removal of warnings
As I said to the other admin, I know they can remove warnings, based on the assumption that they must have read them first. In this case, it seemed like an attempt at deception, and it obviously fooled no one. The question at this point is, should I put the warnings back now, for easy future reference? Or just leave it be? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 04:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind, the answer from the other admin was "leave it be". :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 05:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * And although a certain amount of venting is allowed, this really offends me, as it violates the rules against redundancies and oxymorons. The IP should sue his grade school teacher for malpractice. And he'll have a free month to work on the case. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 05:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yea, it's best just to leave the warnings there. If an IP is vandalizing past a 3rd or 4th warning but blanked his page then you can still report to AIV, but don't rv-war with them on their own talk page. – xeno  ( talk ) 12:22, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Blocks
Re Please do whatever you think is best. Most of these are serial re-offenders who start again as soon as a block finishes, or are responsible for particularly nasty vandalism, but I accept that I may not have always acted within the letter of the wikilaw. I just get fed up with these morons. jimfbleak (talk) 07:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.
 * OK, thanks, I'll take your advice jimfbleak (talk) 16:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Just FYI... was already starting down the road, so I reblocked for 3 years. Hopefully we do better with the other ips. Syrthiss (talk) 12:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes...I noticed. =) I got a chuckle at the block comment. 3 years is fine, I suppose. Thanks for the note, I realize a lot of these will likely be reblocked but if we just get one or two decent contributors out of it, then I'll be happy. (I can hope right?? ;>) – xeno  ( talk ) 12:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

How about it?
How about now? I have put up with quite a lot. Fair's fair. Ad.minster (talk) 01:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Star Trek Online
I'm not gonna whine, but most of that stuff is archaic posts using the talk page as a blog to chat about the game; I still feel it should all have gone. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well it was borderline. Some of it was forumy but other bits were clearly related to improving the article ("We need some more explanation or detail around this") and there was also some sources in there. I didn't restore everything you removed. The blatant off-topic stuff I left out. No prejudice to archiving the stuff though. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Xeno, I'm the one requesting protection, thanks for the day at least. Problem is, you left out the reason I requested it in the first place, to protect the 'Contest Controversy' section, which was once again removed prior to your protection. I could do it as an editor, of course, but it would look better coming from you.

Now, it's no biggie in the long run. To date, I have neither written nor removed anything in the article myself. But the section in question was removed - maliciously, I feel - by fans with a grudge who neither justify their edits (after being requested to by me in the talk page) nor make any attempt to discuss them.

So, if you could put that section back in, I'd be much obliged. It's what all the fuss was about and was written NPOV and well-referenced, at least in my view. Thanks. Happy to talk further on my page or here if you like. Also, if you could extend the protection to a week, that might be a good thing. Jusdafax (talk) 21:26, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll have to take another look but a protecting admin isn't supposed to choose a version. I may have erred in that it should have been full protection, rather than semi. – xeno  ( talk ) 23:26, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to change anything at this point; I'd like the new users to have some time to read over the guidelines on reliable sources, but if you think the contest controversy makes the grade, I won't stop you re-adding it. If the edit war continues then full protection may be necessary. This was matter was also raised at ANI: AN/I, you may wish to comment there. It was because of that report I added the protection. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:09, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your time on this Xeno (even though you got to it through different sources than my initial notice.) I'm going to wait and see if things cool down before taking action. Both sides have their points, but the kicker seems to be in the references.  If public posts by moderators at Star Trek Online don't count as a valid reference, the 'Contest Controversy' section material will obviously have to wait for inclusion in the Star Trek Online article until such time as notice is taken of the events in question in a notable format.  In other words, it keeps coming back to what the definition of a valid source is.  I have seen posts commenting on the situation at a gamer website MMORPG.com, but again, they are 'just' posts. If there is an article on the controversy, I take it that becomes a legit source for refs? Jusdafax (talk) 01:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct, if there is an article in a reliable source about the controversy, then it could be included. While forums posts by developers are sometimes accepted as a reliable sources, they must meet the criteria at WP:SELFPUB. – xeno  ( talk ) 01:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Rollback request
Hello! I have been getting into the habit of recent changes watching, and have been trying to help deal with vandalism at the time of edit (As opposed to simply reacting when I find it organically). I did not expect to find it so satisfying. I'd like to get rollback access, so I can use Huggle. I understand if my limited edit history makes me too much of a risk to be granted rollback access, but I would definitely like to at least try out some of these fancy-schmancy tools I've heard all about. Riffraffselbow (talk) 21:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Since you have so few edits, I'm going to have to decline at this point. Huggle is a very powerful tool and has the potential to drive off new users if it is misused. Perhaps consider installing WP:TWINKLE and patrolling recent changes for a while that way? After you have some time patrolling under your belt, I would likely have no problem granting you rollback. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to respond! Riffraffselbow (talk) 01:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

A favor...
Hey, whenever you get a chance, could you take a look at Talk:Moe's Southwest Grill/Archive 1... - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ew, menucruft. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Awesome... I'm a WikiNazi!!! A new high... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 00:51, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * keep it up, one day you may be a WikiHitler. – xeno  ( talk ) 00:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks to my username that has already happened... prior to my user page being protected, deleted, and restored, I thik there were 3 or 4 comments along those lines... and there's always this... P.S. this new IP is the same user (look at the contribs)... - Adolphus79 (talk) 01:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Newbie etc. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  &#124;  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  01:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries =) – xeno  ( talk ) 01:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Glenn Quagmire edit warring
The anon editor is persisting, and I would say against WP:CONSENSUS. Could you please protect both Template:Family Guy character and Glenn Quagmire again. / edg ☺ ☭ 16:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I just edited this article after requesting protection, which if there were a freeze would be quite a WP:DICK move. Please feel free to revert my edit before freezing this article. / edg ☺ ☭ 17:06, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, I'm actually hoping protection isn't necessary. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps solidify the consensus that ages aren't appropriate for the articles and write it into the project guidelines? – xeno  ( talk ) 18:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose that's an option, but the effort of doing this might be wasted on this editor. / edg ☺ ☭ 19:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, but having a guideline means that it can be enforced through blocking (if the user continues to re-insert the material contrary to the guideline) rather than page protection. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Started on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Family Guy. However, I doubt a WikiProject guideline can be solid grounds for a block, and anyway the anon is already editing against consensus. 4 other editors (by my memory, not checked) have chimed in on this, and none support the anon's position. / edg ☺ ☭ 19:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It'll help though. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Hi, edit summaries are supposed to summarise the edit, not display the actual edit with the tildes. Just thought I'd let you know, since you seem to misunderstand the use of them.  Majorly  talk  15:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * (snark removed) I happen to like doing it this way, people can see what I said (or an excerpt) in the watchlist without having to click through. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:01, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would have though the "summary" part of "edit summary" would be clear enough...  Majorly  talk  16:09, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * In the case of a small addition to an article, it is highly recommended to copy the full text of this addition to the summary field, giving a maximum of information with a minimum of effort. <-- This suggestion reflects how I use edit summaries on talk pages. Consequently, your usage could use some work: Edit summary usage for Majorly: 41% for major edits and 53% for minor edits. Based on the last 150 major and 150 minor edits in the article namespace. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Righto, your choice then. I find the incomplete sentences kind of annoying in my watchlist, and they are pretty useless because they mean people have to look at the diff anyway, but obviously, nothing I can say will persuade you.
 * As for my own use of summaries, it's not really a relevant point here, more like an ad hominem argument, but I'll explain anyway. I don't use edit summaries on talk page, or any kind of discussion page in general, unless I'm doing anything other than replying. I don't use them for minor edits generally. If I'm making a series of edits to an article, I might put one or two in, but unless they're all similar, I don't see the point. I'm a long-term editor, I'm not exactly going to be vandalising :) Thanks anyway, and best wishes,  Majorly  talk  17:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a pot-meet-kettle argument, but it's salient. You come here prescribing edit summary usage when your house is not in order either. I like my method especially because if I get an edit conflict, my comments are already held in the paste buffer. Thanks for your comments though, I've taken them into consideration. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

More formatting help
I have something at the top of my user page (the box and sheep next to the TOC) that works great in Firefox but IE doesn't seem to like it. I know the placement is kind of unorthodox to begin with, but (1) I hate all the white space next to the TOC, (2) I don't like hiding the TOC, and (3) The statement in the box really is important to me and I want to be sure everyone sees it. So... I really want to keep it there if I can, but I also don't like for it to look ugly for people who use IE. The question is: Do you have any idea whether there's any way to make it play nice with IE and still look decent (i.e., fill most or all of the space) in Firefox? I'd appreciate any advice you can offer.

Also... I don't want to get in the middle of anything or offend anyone but, for what it's worth (not much!), I like your edit summaries. As you say, they give a general idea of what you've done without having to go to the edit if I'm not interested. I have no idea whether it's an acceptable practice or not, but I think it's helpful. -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk) 16:59, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Re 2nd paragraph: Thanks =) It's an entirely acceptable practice imo, I'm actually thinking of writing it into the help page. Looking at the first issue now... – xeno  ( talk ) 17:01, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed? – xeno  ( talk ) 17:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, looks pretty good. As always, you rock.  Thanks!  :) -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk)  17:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries =) – xeno  ( talk ) 17:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Request (pl.wiki)
Hi! Yes, Vuvar1 is having a Wikibreak. I did what you asked. Enjoy your time on polish Wikipedia :). Awersowy (talk) 21:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks kindly =) – xeno  ( talk ) 21:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy Xeno's Day!

 * Oh! Thanks =) Two xeno's days in one year? Everything's coming up xeno! ;> – xeno  ( talk ) 00:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

About User:Hopiakuta
Hello. I'm leaving a message here, because you seem to be the one dealing with the user most of the time.

Please refer to this request. In short, not only <tt> {{ user:miszaBot/config </tt> will not work (it should be <tt> {{User:MiszaBot/config </tt>; also, included only once), but also due to the horrible wikicode corruption the bot might behave... strange. Ideally, someone should clean up his/her talk page beforehand (made all headers ==second level==, remove timestamps from sections that shouldn't be archived, etc.) and maintain it that way.

On a related note, out of curiosity I have read through the history of this user (the talk page, AN/I archives etc.) - in all those years, has anyone turned the WikiMedia Foundation's attention to this user? I mean, if this is supposedly an encyclopedia for anyone, I bet the Foundation would love to help out a) to uphold its goals and b) to work on its PR {{mono|1=;)}} - that would include the so-much-needed telephone contact as well as other forms of assistance. Otherwise, at some point people will come to the conclusion that this user is more trouble than gain, and institute a ban (esp. if relationship deteriorates further and Hopiakuta becomes even more antagonistic in his/her comments).

Regards, Миша 13 12:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, I'm not quite sure (on the foundation bit). I am trying to familiarize myself with the history; but I'm sure you have gathered, it's difficult to build an accurate timeline. How would you suggest the user initiate contact in this matter? As far as the bot, I was going to see what MBIII did on its first pass and go from there =) (I am hoping it does not cause the heat death of the universe) – xeno  ( talk ) 13:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Following the "Contact Wikipedia" link inn the sidebar I eventually ended up at the WMF website. Or you could leave a message/email with Jimbo. Whatever works.
 * As of now, the bot don't do anything, until at least you fix the inclusion (the spacing and case matters, as I pointed out above). As to having two templates on a page, just make sure that the actual is the first one, not the nowiki'd one (the bot will only read and update configuration in the first one it finds). Миша 13 14:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've manually archived everything for now, and also gave him that suggestion about the contact telephone number. – xeno  ( talk ) 21:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Xeno. I appreciate the work you are doing. Listen, Hopiakuta has recently changed the header message, and while he means well (and I enjoy his humor, he's got quite the wit) these changes are confusing the original intent of the message, which is to inform new editors so we don't fall back into the same pattern of accusations and anger again. Could you look into either restoring the original heading or coming to some agreement with Hopiakuta about using a header message that is intended to inform new users about what is going on? I think it would be best if he left it alone. Of course, the easiest solution here is to transclude a template so he can't edit it. Viriditas (talk) 12:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I re-copied the rest of my note so we'll have mine and his "interpretation" of it side-by-side. cheers, – xeno  ( talk ) 13:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Privacy
I have some issues I would like to address with you regarding another editor. Is there a way to do so in private? Please advise. Thank you. MiamiJazz (talk) 21:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Special:Emailuser/Xeno. – xeno  ( talk ) 21:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd just like to announce...
...that I love you all. Super srs. <font color="FF00AA">Glass <font color="DA70D6">Cobra  12:57, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * lARA? =) – xeno  ( talk ) 13:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I take it back. I don't love you. :( Heartie.gif <font color="FF00AA">Glass <font color="DA70D6">Cobra  14:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * sad face! – xeno  ( talk ) 14:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Alien Sideboob
—  Tivedshambo   (t/c) 14:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I rool !!!! – xeno  ( talk ) 14:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Dude... FR?... AWESOME!!!1111!1!oneoneone!1... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adolphus79 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nuh-uh... I signed... see? - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (March 2009)
The next issue is ready for delivery. Thanks, MrKIA11 (talk) 15:37, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * . – xeno  ( talk ) 16:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  17:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅. Thanks, MrKIA11 (talk) 17:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep^ no problem =) – xeno  ( talk ) 17:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:Just curious
Re I've seen it done that way too, but I suppose anyone who cares can switch the tags, it's no big deal. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 17:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.
 * Kay, no probs. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 17:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Zelcon Games
Could you please provide me with a copy of the deleted page "Zelcon Games"? I'd really appreciate this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dagmon (talk • contribs) 17:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ . – xeno  ( talk ) 17:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
I appreciate what you are trying to do with this, others could learn from you. It is ashame that Wikipedia could be ruined by a handful of over zealous editors who can't see the forest through the trees.

Thanks Again --12.108.255.76 (talk) 19:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Again, I doubt any end-result will be that the full menu stays up, but there's plenty of reliable sources to include a few of the more notable meme-named items (as I did with the two Seinfeld ones). – xeno  ( talk ) 19:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * LOL... that's all I asked for in the very beginning, a few references showing any kind of notability rgarding the menu... a couple of the more notable menu items being listed was even a suggestion of mine... alas Xeno, yer my hero! ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, ever the mediator, eh? I also re-removed those "warnings" that Mal left, they aren't really appropriate for the talk page, imo. Also to bring some more light to the table. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That's fine... and I'm sorry for getting you lumped into a "gang" with someone as terrible as myself... - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well hopefully that RFC will bring a few more voices to the discussion and maybe some people who can seize upon those refs I linked. Maybe I'll even do some more work on it! *gasp* – xeno  ( talk ) 20:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Work, schmurk... I'm too busy being a WikiNazi... I think I'm going to go to dinner now anyway... small children & puppy dogs sounds tasty tonight... MUAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Did you know...
that if there was a barnstar for very sharp hearing, I would've given it to you for this? :) That's by far the most speediest response I've had on-wiki. Ncmvocalist (talk) 18:44, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * lol. sharp hearing maybe but I didn't realize you were quoting someone else. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the shout-out. It's true &mdash; a lot of us really do log out just to edit with no malign intent. I've been "underground" myself for two weeks or so.  Mr. IP  《 Defender of Open Editing 》 23:20, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Ad.minster is back
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 * The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

And vandalized Brotherhood of Saint Gregory. Tb (talk) 08:22, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Tb cannot let bygones be bygones. He is Hounding me all over Wikipedia, reverting everything I have done, and reverting a few other people's edits as well. As you recall, he lost several Admin incidents, but he cannot move on.  Ad.minster (talk) 09:03, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

So I log on tonight, and I discover the vandalism of Brotherhood of Saint Gregory--of which I am a member--and then I see that Ad.minster has created confusing near-duplicate templates for many of the key templates and portals for the Anglican Communion project, and begun altering many pages to refer to them instead of the project's templates. These edits were virtually all made without any edit history or other explanation. A consensus decision to merge the separate pages on various seminaries of the Reformed Episcopal Church, and which has been unobjected for months, was suddenly reversed, without discussion or even edit history comment. I am frustrated that every month or so Ad.minster pops up, makes a jillion destabilizing changes, and proceeds to vanish again without discussion. I have no idea what these "several Admin incedents" are which I "lost", except that we all lose when this disruption continues. Tb (talk) 09:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Already, that is at least a WP:Conflict of interest. Further, I don't think this is a real organization and it is not recognized outside of Bushnell's blogs.  See tags on that "Article."  Further, this is no excuse for hounding me all over Wikipedia and deleting everything I have done.


 * Bushnell needs to move on. Ad.minster (talk) 09:13, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

And, after taking the time to carefully go through each recent change--some of which are not objectionable, thinking through what is objectionable and what is not, carefully reverting parts of changes and leaving others, examining case by case, Ad.minster now simply reverts whatever I do, labelling it "vandalism". This is disruption. I am a long-time wikipedia editor, active in many different areas of the encyclopedia, putting in a great deal of time and effort. Once a month, Ad.minster decides to disrupt. The "go your separate ways" strategy works fine, until he decides to start disrupting the project again. (And the utter lack of discussion or even edit histories, the reversion of many-months-consensus, the labelling of any change of mine independent of content as "vandalism"--these are clearly disruption.) I'm fed up with it, and the Wikipedia strategy of "just pretend it isn't happening" frustrates me no end. Tb (talk) 09:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Quit WP:Hounding me all over Wikipedia, stirring up trouble for everyone, and move on. Ad.minster (talk) 09:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Xeno, notice that even here, he address me disrespectfully, and seems to ignore his own misbehavior, especially his inappropriate edits to Brotherhood of Saint Gregory. I'd be happy to move on, as you had previously suggested--and had done so--and then I find that, once again, Ad.minster is up to his old tricks. Tb (talk) 09:32, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Recall that Ad.minster had personal attacks against me on his page, which I was even content to permit to continue provided my name and my comments were removed. In response, he has been blanking repeatedly User:Tb/Foo, a page with some notes I made for myself, saying that I should "move on", and that he "gets to" edit mine. Such a misunderstanding is lamentable. I'm merely making notes for myself, not attacks, not linked from anywhere (except, now, here) and apparently this is grounds for Ad.minster to blank my own notes, and then tell me to "move on". Tb (talk) 09:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, you were not named. If you identify yourself with the comments which no longer exist, then you are simply admitting to be a difficult person.


 * Well, I guess you are right. You are a difficult person.  Now move on.  This is an encyclopedia.


 * You are supposed to be contributing and not WP:Hounding editors all over the place.


 * Move on. Ad.minster (talk) 09:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

battleground
you are quite right about the battleground comment, and i apologize. i hope it was ok to post the first note, but it was certainly wrong of me to engage in a to-and-fro on your page. i am not good at this part of wikipedia. Tb (talk) 12:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * kk. np. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:30, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

pointless request
I know this is pointless, and you probably won't help as it is so pointless, but can you please have a look at this and make it less clutered. Pleeeeeeeaaaassseeee. -)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  18:16, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks fine to me, but you could tablefy it by copying my code from User:Xeno/userboxen. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You may be interested in looking at WikiProject Check Wikipedia, a page which catalogs many minor, but important, fixes that need to be made to the Wikipedia mainspace. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Would it be possible
For you to speedy delete: Anglocommunion Anglican and Angloportal. All three already exist with different names and were apparently created by Ad.Minster in the on-going shenanigans between him and another editor. They aren't needed or wanted. I noticed you were an admin. --Secisek (talk) 01:24, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * FWIW, they were created before the shenanigans, and the shenanigans erupted (this time) when I attempted to make the same edits which User:Secisek is now making. Tb (talk) 01:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ – xeno  ( talk ) 02:25, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

68.96.23.7
Re It should've moved. Yet I ran nmap on it and it still shows ssh and http ports open. -- m:drini 03:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.

Xeno spam
FYI: An editor is plastering a quote from you at the top of every Wikipedia policy.   Will Beback    talk    06:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I recall used to be fond of doing this. The thing is (as I told Prom), that's not even my quote, I stole it from  ! =) FWIW I agree it doesn't belong at the top of every policy page. Thanks for the note. –  xeno  ( talk ) 15:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

New email
I sent you an email a few days ago. In case you didn't read it, check your inbox. :) <font color="#6B8AB8">TheAE  <font color="#6B8AB8">talk /<font color="#6B8AB8">sign 02:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I used to have an auto-reply to have people poke me here to check it but it wasn't working that well. I've replied. – xeno  ( talk ) 03:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The user you're mentoring
Just seems that the talkpage is a little odd. I don't know if it's an April Fool's joke or whatever, but the header is mangled and there are a bunch of images. Not very easy to read. General comment, probably none of my business. Best of luck!  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  03:33, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, he added some wikicode to it. Not exactly sure what he was going for. I'm trying to help people understand where he's coming from, I've started compiling some things at . – xeno  ( talk ) 03:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a heads up
I'm more than happy to handle the situation, but as the unblocking admin, I figured it'd be a good idea to at least drop you a line so you could see what was brewing. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 15:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I agf unblocked, but if the faith was misplaced, I've no prejudice to reblocking. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Project-class
Re We've never used Project-class before, but Dylanlip seems to have decided that we should, along with Image-, Portal-, and Template-class. IMO we also shouldn't have an importance rating for project pages, as they don't need it. I'm not sure if there are any written guidelines for it though. Someone else also made a comment on the talk page regarding this issue. MrKIA11 (talk) 16:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.

Email?
Would it be possible for me to contact you privately about something? Would you mind me doing so? I certainly understand, and withdraw the question, if it makes you even mildly uncomfortable. Thanks. :) -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk) 19:16, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's fine by me. Special:Emailuser/Xeno. Best that I know an email is coming, I don't check it often. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. I'll be sending you something shortly. -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk)  19:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Don't worry about any "delay"; I presume you have an actual life and hardly expected you to jump on this instantly. :)  I've added the page you suggested to my watchlist; thanks for the heads-up.  Have a good week. -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk)  16:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

unprotected talk pages
short, concise, effective = done. Good work. ;) — Ched : ?  23:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks =) – xeno  ( talk ) 16:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for restoring my IP talk page. --Stepheng3 (talk) 17:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks!

Thanks for your promptness in giving me the permissions to use AWB. :D  Lychosis  <font color="#000000">T / C 19:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Enjoy =) – xeno  ( talk ) 19:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thx

I was looking to see how I was supposed to do that. Thanks for saving me the time. --KP Botany (talk) 21:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * For sure =) – xeno  ( talk ) 21:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Rollback
Hi, I was just searching through recent changes to look for rollbacks, and I found that you made a questionable rollback as you did here. Such rollbacks need edit summaries. I do not see how the information was vandalism, but I do know that it was unsourced. Please provide edit summaries in the future. Also, if you're going to make such rollbacks, try Twinkle, if it works for you. Thanks. — Mythdon  t / c  22:01, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Er, yes, thanks for the note. This is a pretty prolific vandal who adds information about fake sequels. – xeno  ( talk ) 22:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. — Mythdon  t / c  22:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * See also Abuse filter/Requested. – xeno  ( talk ) 22:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Protection policy
Self, you've made three reversions at the above linked page within 24 hours. One more, and you'll have violated WP:3RR. – xeno  ( talk ) 22:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Regarding an IP
Considering this is how the person views an unblock appeal, you may want to consider taking further action. Regards, <font color="#FF4500" face="">Ayrton <font color="DarkOrange" face="">Prost <font color="#4682B4">sign 23:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ block upgraded to disallow talk page editing - thanks for the note. – xeno  ( talk ) 23:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, take care. <font color="#FF4500" face="">Ayrton <font color="DarkOrange" face="">Prost <font color="#4682B4">sign 23:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Bot delivery
Hi xeno: Thanks! Normally BrownBot does the delivery for me, but its owner is on Wikibreak, and I didn't know who else to check with! Is there a list maintained somewhere I could check in the future, if this happens again? MeegsC | Talk 16:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Karl Rove
My edits are not vandalism whatsoever. I find such a notion offensive. Vexorg (talk) 21:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The protection was not directed at your edit(s), but I unprotected the article on Feb 19 in a mass sweep and I just noticed the many severe BLP violations since (look at the IP edits from March in particular). Apologies for any misunderstanding. I've left a null edit summary to alleviate any further misinterpretation, and feel free to continue to edit the article (keeping WP:BRD in mind). – xeno  ( talk ) 21:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * OK Xeno. Thanks for the clarification. Sorry to bother you. :) Vexorg (talk) 21:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No bother at all. Happy editing, – xeno  ( talk ) 21:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Your bot
Is doing a great work! Thank you! The end of a nightmare! Happy Easter! --RCS (talk) 19:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks.. no problem... Right now it's not my bot, just my alternate account - I'm manually reviewing the edits. As soon as I'm sure that there won't be any errors in the setup I've used I may apply for temporary bot approval for this task... – xeno  ( talk ) 19:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

p=np
Xeno will you help me prove P=NP to cure cancer and help disabled children please? Sincerely, Martin Michael Musatov =206.53.144.23 (talk) 01:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've never really been that good at formal logic. – xeno  ( talk ) 01:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Your bot request
Hi Xeno I wanted to let you know that Bots/Requests for approval/Xenobot 5 has been approved. Please visit the above link for more information. Thanks! BAGBot (talk) 12:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Note to self
Consider voting in Date formatting and linking poll before April 13th. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:41, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What is this? And can you give me more detail of whatthat wikiproject you said I should consider joining is. I'm in a retard state today, sorry. -)  ' The Ninja  lemming '  11:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's way too complicated for me to explain. Set out a day, or five, to read over it. The cleanup Wikipedia WikiProject is something that runs automated searches to catalog many minor but important fixes that need to be made. You can go to the articles found and fix the errors. – xeno  ( talk ) 12:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  12:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Warning
This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you forget to provide an edit summary again, you will be blocked from editing. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 19:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe =] – xeno  ( talk ) 19:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Help
Hi Xeno, I was wondering whether you could help me out here.

I moved the film Vennila Kabaddi Kuzhu to a new page titled Vennila Kabadi Kuzhu as the title was spelt incorrectly. However, the origional page still exists. Is it possible for you to delete the former? It would clear up confusion for some people who'd be wondering why there are two pages on the same film. Much obliged if you could intervene here, thanks. <font color="#FF4500" face="">Ayrton <font color="DarkOrange" face="">Prost <font color="#4682B4">sign 19:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed, it appears to inadvertantly edited the redirect you left behind re-instating the page text. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah OK, many thanks xeno. =) <font color="#FF4500" face="">Ayrton <font color="DarkOrange" face="">Prost <font color="#4682B4">sign 19:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Page background
Oh, oh, oh... how do you change how the background of a page looks, like you did on your userboxen page. -) ' The Ninja  lemming '  12:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * <tt>style="background:none;"</tt> – xeno  ( talk ) 12:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Do I need any thing else as I tried,tt>style="background:FF0000;"</tt> and it didn't work.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  15:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * – xeno  ( talk ) 16:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is the none important then?  ' The Ninja  lemming '  16:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "none" as is no background. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * oh, I probable could have guessed that if I still wasn't being retarded; sorry, my IQ normally is 140 something. So any way, how do I change the background colour and everything, is it like changing a userbox?  ' The Ninja  lemming '  16:25, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * yea, just use a web color instead of "none". – xeno  ( talk ) 16:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Done so didn't work though, I tried FF0000.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  16:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That works fine, it makes the background white instead of off-white. I don't know if you can change the background of the entire page, you could enclose the entire workable area in a table though. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And how would I go about doing that?  ' The Ninja  lemming '  14:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * By starting the table at the top of the page, and making the width as wide as the page. – xeno  ( talk ) 21:14, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Neat, can I change the boarder and every thing?  ' The Ninja  lemming '  18:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably, see Help:Table. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yo, thanks man  ' The Ninja  lemming '  19:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Inactive template
Bonjour, c'est encore moi.

You're a Master of Bots, and an expert in abuse filters and a hater… Can you understand why this template is so inactive ? Thanx.

Budelberger (<b style="background-color:#0055A4"> </b><b style="background-color:#fff"> </b><b style="background-color:#EF4135"> </b>) 10:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC).
 * If you're wondering why no one has responded to your thread, it's because it's a brand new template and you're probably the only one watching it. WP:VPT or the WP:HELPDESK are probably good places to ask about templates. I'll see if I can try to fix it in a bit, or maybe some helpful talk page stalker could take a look. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you call the template as follows:


 * it should work fine. It's probably best to do it this way to explicitly mark the reference in the wikitext. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:36, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

to be used twice as in Latgalian language. A template used with so long tags,, is a little bit useless… Thank you very much. --Budelberger (<b style="background-color:#0055A4"> </b><b style="background-color:#fff"> </b><b style="background-color:#EF4135"> </b>) 21:42, 11 April 2009 (UTC). (I was the only one watching this template, sure ; but Votic and Latgalian articles too ! And… Do you understand why this template can't be used with ref tags included in it ?) 22:10, 11 April 2009
 * Yes, I thought it was because of
 * I'm not quite sure. The paramaters don't seem to make it through when is used. WP:VPT should find you more knowledgeable folks that can assist with this, but I'm not sure we should be hiding the ref tags inside a paramater; it may be failing by design, in other words. (UTC) – xeno  ( talk ) 22:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * « failing by design » ? Sure ! Compare Votic, Latgalian and Ingrian ! --Budelberger (<b style="background-color:#0055A4"> </b><b style="background-color:#fff"> </b><b style="background-color:#EF4135"> </b>) 01:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC).
 * Yes, it appears that paramaters cannot be used inside the ref tags... – xeno  ( talk ) 02:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What a wonderful Wikipedia and so Gentle People !. Thanks a lot. --Budelberger (<b style="background-color:#0055A4"> </b><b style="background-color:#fff"> </b><b style="background-color:#EF4135"> </b>) 21:50, 12 April 2009 (UTC).

Indef blocks of IPs
Re I've been away, and so missed your comment on my talk page.

Of course, you're entirely correct that IPs should not be blocked indef, and I obviously made an error there. I appreciate you watching my back, and hope that - in my absence - you correctly reversed my actions. - <span style="font-family:Papyrus, sans-serif; color:#775ca8;">Philippe 00:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.

Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage
I've added some comments in relation to User:Dream Focus's application; if you agree, I think he could have AWB, but not for WP:CANVASSing. Rodhull andemu  17:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Likewise. Replied there as well. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Your opinion
If you have a moment... would you say this is a valid change, or would you change it back? I changed it from "rave" to "very positive" as part of a major cleanup of what had been a very unencyclopedic article, then it was changed back this morning. I rather gently fixed a few other things that were changed back, but I don't know any way to do this one without just changing it, and I don't want to get into an edit war. This seems sort of borderline to me, and I'm just not sure what to do. I value your opinion, and I look forward to hearing what you think. Thanks. :) -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk) 21:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. To be clear... I think "rave" inserts an unacceptable feeling of POV that "very positive" doesn't quite give, but that could be my bias. I'm happy to leave it as it is if you feel it's neutral enough, or to change it to something else or to remove it entirely if you think that's best. Either way it's an unsourced statement about a BLP, so..... -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk) 21:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. "rave review" is definitely POV. – xeno  ( talk ) 02:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

deletion of page Offley Place

 * copied here from user talk:Xenocidic

Dear Xeno,

I am writing this message as I am appalled by the fact that either you (or another admin) has forced deletion of my page, about my business. This page had absolutely no kind of advertising on it whatsoever (and i would like you to give quotes/examples of this 'blatant advertising'). I have spent a lot of time writing this page and can assure you that all sources are reliable, as this is my own business. I have written mostly about the history of the building, which is both informative (encyclopedia material) and not advertising.

You have written that you wish to see my sources, then here they are, our businesses official website.

http://www.offleyplace.com/html/Hotel%20History.html

http://www.offleyplace.com/html/Offley%20Todayu.html

I look forward to recieving your reply,

Offley —Preceding unsigned comment added by Offley (talk • contribs) 19:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Offley Place is a 17th Century country house hotel situated between Hertfordshire towns, Hitchin and Luton in the village of Great Offley. Situated less than Six miles from Luton Airport,it is surrounded by 27 acres of green parkland overlooking the Great Offley Church. It is a convenient location for Weddings, Business Conferences and to spend a few nights in the luxurious Hotel. The very recently renovated and upgraded Spencer Restaurant of Offley Place has proven an ideal location for situations ranging from business lunches to romantic dinners, enjoyed while overlooking the wonderful surroundings.


 * History

Offley Place has been a significant building since the Eighth Century. The Saxon King Offa was known to build his Palace here.At the time of the Norman Conquest, there was no less than four manors on the premises.

The 17th Century Manor is historically located on the edge of a small deer park, and the area has been left untouched over the last 250 years. The building was soon passed to the St. Ledger family. The manor was renamed Offley St. Ledger in 1533. Henry VII is said to have held courts at Offley.

The ownership changed hands to John Farmer, but then it was resold to Sir John Spencer of Althorpe, who himself and his descendants owned the estate for several centuries.

This followed with ownership from Guy Hughes, who resold it to Colonel Acland who made major alterations to the house.

The Acland family resided at Offley Place for 10 years in which time they became very involved in village affairs both spiritual and secular. In 1939 the Frobel Institute rented the house and the estate, eventually buying it in 1943, running residential courses on gardening and natural history.


 * Offley Place Today

Offley Place previously acquired by Hertfordshire County Council in 1953 is now privately owned and its reputation continues to flourish. Due to its tranquil environment and surroundings, Offley Place continues to be an excellent choice for conferences and training days as well as being the perfect setting for special occasions, civil ceremonies, baby naming ceremonies, private functions and fine dining.


 * Do you have any 3rd party reliable sources that can attest to the encyclopedic notability of this subject? The page is written like a brochure ("luxurious Hotel", "ideal location for situations ranging from business lunches to romantic dinners, enjoyed while overlooking the wonderful surroundings", "reputation continues to flourish", etc.), that's probably why User:Ryan Delaney deleted it as "blatant advertising" – xeno  ( talk ) 17:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Your bot request
Hi Xeno I wanted to let you know that Bots/Requests for approval/Xenobot 6 has been approved. Please visit the above link for more information. Thanks! BAGBot (talk) 18:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Bots and minor edits make xeno a sad panda. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool picture though.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  19:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Gotta love the commons. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit notice
Thanks for the heads up. As for the edit notice, no matter how big I make it, some people still manage not to read it.... :P --Ryan Delaney talk 19:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've placed some comments on his talk page. --Ryan Delaney talk 22:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

VPP
Done-- Agathoclea (talk) 23:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Eukaryote
Hi, could Eukaryote be semi-protected please? There's repetitive vandalism from IP addresses: Thanks. Smartse (talk) 01:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting support.svg Semi-protected&#32;for a period of 1 year, after which the page will be automatically unprotected.. These "high school science" subjects (osmosis, amoeba, etc.) seem to be quite susceptible to vandalism... – xeno  ( talk ) 12:20, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Smartse (talk) 13:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

User Page Help
I just noticed your comment on my talk page (which I'd barely even noticed existed) and I decided to join WikiProject Xbox. I noticed that everyone else on the list had a user page and I thought that I should probably have one too. Now... umm... how do I do that? *is an idiot* --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My reply here.

Hey, can I get your opinion?
I've seemed to have gotten off on the wrong foot with CalendarWatcher, and my attempts to re-engage with him/her have been pretty much rebuffed. I decided to ask you about it, as you just ce'd my entry in 1976, which added the GN series '76 (the source of the kerfuffle). I am unsure how my initial actions provoked the unfriendly response I received, and would like some insight. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  14:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've been watching this brew, definitely a wrong-foot here... – xeno  ( talk ) 14:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Just an information
Hi xeno.

No, it's not about this *censored* Kumiki Gibson article this time ;-) It's *way* better news, just in case you once need my help: I've been elected sysop on dewiki. --PaterMcFly (talk) 18:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, hey, congrats! Now get elected on pl.wiki as a 'crat and push through my usurp of pl:user:xeno so I don't have to wait another year to fully unify! ;> – xeno  ( talk ) 18:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There might be a slight problem about this. I don't talk polish very well. Actually, I don't talk it at all. So I'd have to bribe some steward, but I do think that'll be a bit difficult. --PaterMcFly (talk) 18:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe =] – xeno  ( talk ) 18:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why don't you just take over the world for the day, then do it.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  19:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Or quickly run for Steward yourself...--PaterMcFly (talk) 20:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, thats boring.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism
Thanks for the heads up, sorry we disgreed about CFD. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 16:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, and no worries. – xeno  ( talk ) 18:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a late "thanks" as well for the Admin noticeboard heads-up! Thank goodness this didn't drag on ad infinitum ;) Skier Dude  ( talk ) 05:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Anytime =) – xeno  ( talk ) 13:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

pointless userbox to gallery effect
Yo dude, where would this go in the gallery?  ' The Ninja  lemming '  20:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think somewhere in Userboxes/Education makes the most sense. – xeno  ( talk ) 02:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What bit, most of it doesn't seem relevent?  ' The Ninja  lemming '  13:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Userboxes/Education, I suppose. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Cheers man, I put it with the others I found underneath. =|  ' The Ninja  lemming '  15:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

OMG! Ban for confusing me
so did you do what I needed to, or do I need to do something? I don't understand templates in the slightest. Never have, which is why you had to fix it from the get go. Probably never will so long as wonderful like you take care of them for me :) I forget what I was supposed to have it do to show on my page. StarM  00:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Just type wherever you want it to appear. You had copied and pasted an old version, I just gave you the new version. =] –  xeno  ( talk ) 01:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Did it! Of course I don't think that's where I should put it, but I wanted to play. Thanks for your help! StarM  02:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's exactly where I was going to stow it =] I added a clear template so that it starts after your main userpage content (feel free to rv if you prefer it the other way). You can safely delete User:Star Mississippi/dashboard if you like it there on your main page. – xeno  ( talk ) 02:17, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clear, it's what I was just looking to find out how to do because I just saw it on someone's talk after a cookie or easter template. I like having it on my userpage -- I might actually remember to use it. Afterall, been *so* active of late. Thanks again - for the nifty tool and showing me how to use it. StarM  02:46, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. I have to admit I have not been doing too much work via the dashboard either... Mostly just floating around =) – xeno  ( talk ) 02:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I just haven't been active flat out. Life too zooey. Thanks again. Be sure not to crash while floating :p StarM  03:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the sig advice
You're really self complimenting as I believe it was you I stole the font code from back when you had the black and white sig I think. :) Just inspired me to change the colour too while I was in there. Need a change :) <b style="font-family:Verdana; color:#6633FF;">StarM</b> 00:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Redirect supression
Thanks for the info. Is there a help page detailing exactly what the 'supress redirect' option does? Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  17:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Super, thanks! Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  19:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Early?
What's going on with Jubal Anderson Early? You've reverted it to a rather old version. Hal Jespersen (talk) 17:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes,...I am trying to complete a long overdue history merge... but getting SQL errors for the last half hour. Apologies... – xeno  ( talk ) 17:17, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * the early version of Early is now properly merged into the history. – xeno  ( talk ) 17:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks
✅ – xeno  ( talk ) 20:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you! The Transhumanist  20:17, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Why edit war?
Please see Wikipedia talk:Redirect. Thank you. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:23, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The user is being difficult. I have no patience for people who don't have a basic grasp of the English language preventing others who do explaining important interface features to other administrators. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have an acute grasp of English - I've taught it for a living - and I've moved thousands of pages here. I agree with that editor that your language was so unclear that I couldn't tell what you were talking about. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize that "suppress" was unclear... so, apologies. "Leave a redirect behind" (uncheck) the redirect has been suppressed. Oh well. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I've never unchecked that box. Live and learn... For what it's worth, I completely agree with your edit, now that I get it. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I apologize for my outburst and rv'ing: I felt I was being perfectly clear and resented being reverted. FWIW this was discussed in one of the village pumps, no one got around to codifying it. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:45, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I see he has reverted my edits again,, back your version,, which has the header "Supressing redirects" [sic], which I had specifically expanded for him...honestly, this really appears to be WP:TE to me. I'm going offline, you deal with it. – xeno  ( talk ) 20:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I suspect it's all cleared up now. We'll see. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 22:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help in this. – xeno  ( talk ) 23:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Heads up
In case you are interested, I've posted another task at WP:AWB/Tasks.

The Transhumanist 20:25, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I got distracted and now am going offline for a while. If the task is still available when I get back I will look at it. – xeno  ( talk ) 21:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Lost History
Bonjour,

There was once an edit war with Estonians about Võro language ; a terrorist renamed this article, Võro language ; I have reverted it for its Talk Page, but it was impossible for me, a non-Monsieur-l'Administrateur, to revert the Main Page ; so, an ignoramus, a well-known and respected Wikipedian artist, did this : the old and complete History is lost : « Magnifical. » ; can your repair, even if a colleague ?

Budelberger (<b style="background-color:#0055A4"> </b><b style="background-color:#fff"> </b><b style="background-color:#EF4135"> </b>) 21:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC).
 * , no problem. Though I'd prefer you didn't use the word "terrorist" to describe fellow editors... it has quite a strong meaning in English =). – xeno  ( talk ) 23:55, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Merci. --Budelberger (<b style="background-color:#0055A4"> </b><b style="background-color:#fff"> </b><b style="background-color:#EF4135"> </b>) 00:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC).
 * Interesting... Feel free to drop in again if you need any further adminly things. =] Happy editing, – xeno  ( talk ) 00:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ce type est un sauvage :, , ; et stupide :  &  ! (Livonian extinct in one article, living in another one.) --Budelberger (<b style="background-color:#0055A4"> </b><b style="background-color:#fff"> </b><b style="background-color:#EF4135"> </b>) 12:30, 17 April 2009 (UTC).

I've answered on Budelberger's talk, hinting that I'll report him if he, with his 500 edits not a complete newby, continues his personal assault tirades (apogee of which being 'terrorist' (see here above), for me having moved an article to a title more in line with scholarly consensus and sources like Britannica, hehe :S). You might want to assist him on how to deal with sourcing, verifiability, notability and similar things. As for personal assault, I'll definitely report him next time, since indeed, calling me 'terrorist' was way over the line. Regards, -- Miacek (t) 13:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I got the impression this was a mere language issue. I don't think you should report him for that. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Surprising edit (drive-by watcher)
I was surprised to see from you.... do you know this person very well, or are you angry at him and letting your anger speak? --Alvestrand (talk) 15:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * hehe, yes, we know eachother well... =) we're fellow FNGs in the admin corps. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 15:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Always something new to learn about the culture of the weird country beyond the Atlantic :-) - have fun, then! --Alvestrand (talk) 18:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Carnildo's bot
Hi, just in case you don't watch it, I responded at Village pump (proposals) Garion96 (talk) 21:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, replied there. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:BON
Docu's got hold of one of Xenobot's tasks that wasn't approved (no-one's complained yet though). - Jarry1250 (t, c) 09:59, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the note. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Deliberately stirring up drama
What should be done with an editor who is deliberately stirring up drama? DuncanHill (talk) 19:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * They should be blocked, but I already decided not to block him... –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Really?
What this really needed? Do you really think the closure was not reflective of the actual result of the MfD? Do you think that if re-opened the MfD will have a different result? I suppose we can go through the motions and let this MfD go the full 7 days, but I don't think it will change anything. Chillum 19:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Commented there. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Did you receive any offf-wiki communication asking you to re-open the MfD? DuncanHill (talk) 19:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of. I don't check my Wikipedia-linked email regularly. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:09, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay... I don't think leaving it up for a week will get a different result, but at least then we can put this silly issue to bed. Chillum 19:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think a precedent-setting decision like this should run the whole length, or at least longer than half, and be closed by someone who hasn't participated in the run-up. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:14, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

If you say so. We don't really run off of precedence though and this is not really a new situation. If anything the decision to not force the user to remove the picture will be stronger. I think this time could be better served on other parts of Wikipedia, but that is just one admin's opinion. Chillum 19:18, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If a neutral party re-closes it; I won't object, but I feel it should run at least a little longer. I am not at all surprised that the people who think it's OK showed up immediately to vote keep. I just think we should give the folks who think it's not OK a chance. See also WP:WIKISPEAKnow –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:27, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, lets see what happens. Chillum 19:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Sections on talk pages
Please read this edit summary. Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 19:21, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's fine. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:26, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Why did you restore anon vandalism?
Why did you restore the anon IP vandalism of WebHamster's userpage after I had reverted it? DuncanHill (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Take a closer look at the history. WP:UP allows editing by other users, Jack shouldn't be reverting per not censored, he should allow the user to determine if the suggested edits by SmokeyJoe and Gwen Gale are amenable to him. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 18:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You reverted to a form that WebHamster has not approved - I reverted to a form he had. I know you don't like his userpage - please don't try to alter it to suit your own tastes. DuncanHill (talk) 18:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * How can he approve suggested changes to his userpage if others don't give him a chance? –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 18:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh I dunno, maybe people could try making suggestions on his talk page? Or if we had a way to look at the history of a page, and a way of watching pages, he might notice some changes on the "watchlist" and look at the "history"? I don't think that people who have been trying to force him to change his page look all that good when they just jump in and change it anyway. DuncanHill (talk) 18:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless the user is intentionally being an inconsiderate prick, I don't see why he would object to moving the image below the fold. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 18:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, some might say that it isn't him being the inconsiderate prick. DuncanHill (talk) 19:02, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * So you are saying people who would prefer to not unexpectedly have explicit images pop up on their screen are inconsiderate? –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:15, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm saying that people who try to impose their personal preferences on others are often highly inconsiderate, and usually pricks. DuncanHill (talk) 19:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No doubt, decorum be damned. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Decorum sir? 'Twas not I who introduced the notion of inconsiderate prickishness to the salon. DuncanHill (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

&larr; I call it like I see it, and someone who forces people to view a shaved vagina pubic mound, after repeated polite and not-so-polite requests to remove it, provide a conveient method of bypassing it, or allow it to be moved below the fold (the jury is still out on this one, since people, yourself included, are exerting ownership over the page in question) is an inconsiderate prick. But I already knew that. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * He won't do what you want him to do, even when people are impolite to him, so he's an inconsiderate prick. I see. DuncanHill (talk) 19:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, frame it however you want. My first interaction with the user was cordial, and he simply prevaricated. People who are "not here to work collaboratively" should have their editing privileges revoked. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not here to work collaboratively - I just find that collaborative working is a good way of improving some of the things I do. I suspect most editors aren't here to work collaboratively, and I am sure that most articles don't result from collaborative working but from individuals thinking "Why isn't there an article? I'll write one". Once you start getting into banning people fro motive, you are on very shaky ground - and certainly you are at odds with the notion that editors are judged as Wikipedians on their contributions. DuncanHill (talk) 20:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed; had it not been for the editors contributions, I would've probably been defending a block after that particular comment. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I've been watching this unfold for the last few hours and, really, DuncanHill and Xeno I both like and respect you a lot. None of us are perfect; it's a disappointment to watch this unfold. Please step back, have a tall glass of water, and walk around the block. Durova Charge! 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I tried to drop the stick a couple days ago. I just thought that the good-faith suggested edits to WebHamster's page should at least be given a once over by, you know, the user, rather than his NOTCENSORED champions. Thank you, I will take your suggestion. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I too have been watching this space and i have to say the Xeno has made all the good points here. Last time I looked USER space is not synonymous with MY space. David D. (Talk) 21:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Xeno has tried and failed at AN and at MfD to have the image removed. For him then to revert the userpage to a version he prefers - well if you can't see just how unethical that is I truly feel sorry for you. Good faith suggested edits would have been suggested on the talk page in the first place, not after complaint here. DuncanHill (talk) 21:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * User pages are not myspace. Any arguments about more recent problems only obscure the big picture. David D. (Talk) 21:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You have a problem with the userpage? Try AN, or MfD. DuncanHill (talk) 21:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? David D. (Talk) 22:03, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Then stop going on about it. DuncanHill (talk) 22:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

As the discussions on AN, JW and MfD showed I am not breeching any WP policies, so therefore it is permissible for me to maintain my user page as is (as it is I don't actually have a "fold" on my screen so think that argument is pointless). It's your right to think of me as an "inconsiderate prick", I don't really care one way or the other. The only thing driving you in this subject is your unassailable belief that you are right. You cannot think beyond that, as such I have no interest in anything you have to say on the matter as you are obviously blinkered and biased by your own sensibilities. Your conservatism will not allow you to deal freely with my liberalism (and sense of humour) so there is very little point in me being a part of your discussion. What I will say though is that until such time as my user page is decreed to be definitively and incontrovertibly against policy then it will stay in the state I decide, not the state that you (or others) decide. --<font color="#000000">Web <font color="#ff0000">H <font color="#000000">amster  21:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as i can tell liberalism vs conservatism completely misses the point. I think people just enjoy to fight from the trenches of that argument. David D. (Talk) 22:00, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Care to tell us what the point is then? DuncanHill (talk) 22:02, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it so hard to see? You're spending hours wasting your time fighting over a stupid photo. Your loss. David D. (Talk) 22:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, interesting, so when someone tries to do something I believe to be wrong, I should ignore it? DuncanHill (talk) 22:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Carry on with the circus then. David D. (Talk) 22:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't want to disappoint you - after all, the thread was pretty much dead before you weighed in. It would have been rude not to respond. DuncanHill (talk) 22:13, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Conservative? No sir, just considerate. I can understand why others (of no particular political leaning) don't want to be surprised by images such as these. it's unfortunate you feel you need a policy to tell you not to be an ass. cheers, –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 22:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "Conservativism" does not necessarily refer to a person's politics. DuncanHill (talk) 22:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What is obviously conservatism on your part is the belief that someone who doesn't have your beliefs or value system is an "ass". My liberalism is that I understand that there isn't actually anything to be offended by on my page and as such have no concerns about someone who is offended by the inoffensive. That person obviously would have a less stressful life if they chill out more instead of looking for something to get irate about. Now, unless you can show me anyone who was damaged in health or in body buy being offended by the inoffensive pic on my page or any evidence that the project was actually brought into disrepute by my usage of it I suggest that you turn your talents to something more tangibly useful. Picking up litter in your local area is always a good start I feel. --<font color="#000000">Web <font color="#ff0000">H <font color="#000000">amster  22:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * as you keep missing the point, I suppose we ought agree to disagree. happy editing, –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 22:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh the irony. --<font color="#000000">Web <font color="#ff0000">H <font color="#000000">amster  22:38, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Bioshock
Just a quick question, do you think Bioshock should still be under WikiProject Xbox, even though it was released on PS3 later on. BW21.--12hctawkcalB (talk) 23:53, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's one of our first "big" exclusives (even if it's no longer), so I would say, yes, it should remain in our purview. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 01:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Userboxes & templatespace

 * (copied my parts from User talk:Jerem43 to unfragment conversation)

Most userboxes belong in userspace. Don't move them wholesale into the template space. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 03:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

A long while ago we decided to move non-encyclopedic userboxen out of templatespace and into userspace. If you want some work moving userboxes around, you could find non-encyclopedic userboxen in templatespace and bring them into userspace. See WP:UBM for more on this. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 03:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * My main reason for doing this is to standardize the naming of userboxes with in the food and drink areas. I verified the conditions for userboxes at Userboxes before I began doing this, so it is my belief that there should be no problem with placing them all in the same namespace.


 * Per these guidelines user boxes can be in any of the user, template and Wikipedia namespaces, with certain caveats about content of the boxes. These userboxes all confirm to the guidelines of civility and neutrality for being in the template namespace. --Jeremy (blah blah) 03:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There is no consensus to migrate userboxen into templatespace. You should not be moving stuff out of other user's space. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 03:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Without consensus the point is moot. I am all for consensus and will gladly do what is required to insure I am conforming to the policies and guidelines of WP. If consensus is established about not having user boxes in a particular namespace, I will move them to where ever the appropriate namespace is. If there is an established policy I will gladly follow it and move these into the user name space. I personally believe there should be a separate namespace for user templates. --Jeremy (blah blah) 04:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * For most of these templates, the users are no longer actively contributing to WP; if the user would like me to move it back to his/her page I will gladly do so. --Jeremy (blah blah) 04:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It was agreed upon many moons ago that anything that isn't of strict encyclopedic value, something like User en, for example, should be moved into the userspace. These beverage-preference userboxen clearly fall under "What wikipedia is not" and therefore they belong in userspace, where requirements are more lax. While strict adherance has lapsed, moving stuff wholesale back into templatespace is a bad idea. Feel free to confirm this at WP:VPP. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 04:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I've already reverted all your pagemoves. Please seek further input before another mass migration of userboxen back into templatespace. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 04:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh my, I see this has been going on for some time. What I should say is, I've reverted all of your pagemoves from this evening. If you don't make a thread, I will shortly because This is madness! (I kid, but you really ought seek counsel on this. You're going to ignite the userbox wars again!) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 04:16, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize this campaign had been going on for so long. I've made a thread: Village pump (policy) and won't revert any more of your moves, but I would also ask that you don't perform any more until it's settled. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 04:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Rant, gripe, bitch, moan, complain, curses, and other naughty things, (in a Marvin the Martian voice) I am so very angry, I must get my pu-238 blaster and disintegrate you...
 * I will take a look into what you said, I think that the abandoned user boxes should be moved off these users pages into another place. I was also looking for better names, those others are a little too hard to interpret. What really drives me nuts is no one ever took the time to properly document this stuff. Unwritten rules are very annoying. --Jeremy (blah blah) 04:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I can't say I blame you, and, to be honest, it would be nice if we cuold just use template space for whatever we want. But things get crowded and we had to draw the line somwhere. If users are inactive, you could consider migrating the userboxes to a subspace of User:UBX, but to be honest on these things it doesn't really matter where they lie as long as people can find them. And you have to think about all the work you are creating if the tranclusions need to be fixed... –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 04:30, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I just want to make it known that I appreciate that you are trying to cleanup the userbox galleries... I'm a fellow userbox fan myself. =) But I'm fairly certain we still want them (mostly) in userspace. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 04:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Would it be permissible for me to create a user account to place these boxes into? I know of the User:UBX account exists for this purpose, but I would prefer a centralized location that can be administered by the Food and Drink project to insure that they meet the WP standards. --Jeremy (blah blah) 06:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems like a lot of busywork, and I would still advise against moving stuff from other's userspace (unless they've been inactive, say, 2 years or something) but as long as they aren't going back into templatespace it probably wouldn't be a problem. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 06:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I am a busywork kinda guy... I was looking at the account under the name but the server says it is in use already. I can find no such account but the name might be locked for other purposes. Could you see if I could use it? --Jeremy (blah blah) 06:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * To be perfectly honest, I don't think it should be done for existing userboxes with many transclusions. They're already in place on many userpages, so we would need to leave redirects behind, or update transclusions. Either way it's undesirable... –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 06:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * For example User:UBX/Alcohol-0 alone has over 800 transclusions. It really makes more sense for these userboxes already in userspace to stay put. ( I doubt we'll get our own namespace for userboxes, either ). You'll notice from Userboxes/Food that 90% of the userboxes are already in userspace. It makes more sense to swim downstream =) If you like, you could adopt the userboxes still straggling in Template space. I would be happy to lend a hand with my bot to retarget the uses so the redirect from templatespace can be deleted. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 07:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, as far as the "Food" username, you would need to go to WP:USURP. Just remember that only you can edit with the account (i.e. it can't be a shared WikiProject account). –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 07:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is what I was thinking:
 * With those boxes that are orphaned (user hasn't edited in 6+ months) move them to User:UBX page and rename.
 * For those boxes that are still with active editors,
 * ask permission to move them to User:UBX
 * If no, ask the if we could at least rename them with a more sensible name.
 * With templates in the template name space, move them to User:UBX.
 * Use your bot to fix the transclusions for any boxes we do move.
 * Migrate the boxes from standard wiki-markup to the user box templates


 * Thanks for the pointers and help offer, it is greatly appreciated. I also took the time to fix many of the boxes that had violated WP:NFCC rules and had categorized, so I hope the moves that you reverted kept the content changes I made.


 * On another note, can you point me to any instructions on WAB? I downloaded it and, per usual programmer skill sets, the instructions they included assume you are Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius with a PhD. in computer sciences and web development. --Jeremy (blah blah) 17:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't worry - I only moved the pages back into userspace; I didn't change any of the edits you made to them. As far as your suggestion, I would say you should give users at least a year moving stuff about in their userspace. Everything else as proposed looks fine to me, and I'd be happy to run the bot. As far as WP:AWB, you can see the manual at WP:AWB/MAN and see also AutoWikiBrowser/Find and replace. Basically you have it make a list (i.e. "What transcludes page (all NS)": Template:User dietcaffienefreepepsi), then configure what changes you want AWB to make upon those items, (i.e. Find & replace with {{User:UBX/Dietcaffienefreepepsi) ) then "Start" it and it will show you the changes it is making and you approve them by clicking save. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk  17:38, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, I moved the VPP discussion to Wikipedia talk:Userboxes, and some other users have provided insight. I also made some clarifications to the guideline, let me know if that would've helped explain the whole userspace vs. templatespace issue. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 17:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

First batch
Could you please your bot and correct the transclusions for these user boxes that I moved from the template namespace to the user namespace?


 * Template:User NoMilk → User:UBX/User no milk
 * Template:User Buckfast → User:UBX/User drinks Buckfast
 * Template:User Sake → User:UBX/User drinks Sake
 * Template:User Cider2 → User:UBX/User drinks Cider
 * Template:User Belgian beer → User:UBX/User prefers Belgian beer
 * Template:User British beer → User:UBX/User prefers British beer
 * Template:User camra → User:UBX/User supports CAMRA
 * Template:User English beer → User:UBX/User drinks English beer
 * Template:User Guinness → User:UBX/User drinks Guinness
 * Template:User Fosters Beer → User:UBX/User Fosters is better
 * Template:User Fosters Beer2 → User:UBX/User Fosters is worst
 * Template:User Hansa → User:UBX/User loves Hansa
 * Template:User Out of beer → User:UBX/User beer before wine
 * Template:User Yuengling → User:UBX/User drinks Yuengling

Also, should WikiProject templates be in the Wikipedia namespace?

--Jeremy (blah blah) 05:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do... No, WikiProject banners should remain in templatespace for ease-of-use. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 13:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 16:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. By the way, it's probably a good idea we have the bot do them in a huge batch, if you've more to migrate. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 18:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

More migration
I have about forty of fifty more, I will get them to you post haste. --Jeremy (blah blah) 23:17, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If its not too much trouble please record them as I have above ^^^ with the old name followed by the new name. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 23:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Not as many as I thought:


 * Template:User Bawls → User:UBX/User gets caffeine with BAWLS
 * Template:User_Coke → User:UBX/User is_addicted_to_Coca-Cola not deleted as in use as an example deleted
 * Template:User Cocacola → User:UBX/User Coke over Pepsi
 * Template:User Coke Zero → User:UBX/User User Coke Zero → I moved to User:UBX/User Coke Zero -x
 * Template:User Dr Pepper → User:UBX/User drinks Dr Pepper
 * Template:User Diet Dr Pepper → User:UBX/User drinks Diet Dr Pepper
 * Template:User Dr Pepper-1 → User:UBX/User drinks Dr Pepper 2
 * Template:User Fanta Orange → User:UBX/User drinks Fanta orange
 * Template:User Fanta → User:UBX/User drinks Fanta orange 2
 * Template:User ginger ale → User:UBX/User drinks ginger ale
 * Template:User L & P → User:UBX/User drinks L & P
 * Template:User LA Ice Cola → User:UBX/User drinks LA Ice Cola
 * Template:User Moxie → User:UBX/User drinks Moxie
 * Template:User Pepsi not Coke → User:UBX/User Pepsi is better than Coke
 * Template:User dietcaffienefreepepsi → User:UBX/User drinks diet caffiene-free Pepsi
 * Template:User Pepsi Blue → User:UBX/User misses Pepsi Blue
 * Template:User Sierra Mist → User:UBX/User drinks Sierra Mist
 * Template:User Bushmills → User:UBX/User prefers Bushmills
 * Template:User Canadian Whisky → User:UBX/User prefers Canadian whisky
 * Template:User slay Malts → User:UBX/User prefers Islay Malts
 * Template:User Islay Malts → User:UBX/User prefers Islay Malts
 * User:UBX/Islay Malts → User:UBX/User prefers Islay Malts updating from user: to user: unnecessary as redirects are cheap, just update the gallery for the new name.
 * Template:User rakia → User:UBX/User drinks Rakia
 * Template:User Shōchū → User:UBX/User drinks Shōchū
 * Template:User Whisky → User:UBX/User drinks whisky not whiskey
 * Template:User Coffee → User:UBX/User drinks Coffee
 * Template:User Caffè macchiato → User:UBX/User likes Caffè macchiato
 * Template:User Colombian → User:UBX/User and his coffee are Colombian
 * Template:User Seattle's Best → User:UBX/User likes Seattle's Best
 * Template:User espresso → User:UBX/User loves espresso
 * Template:User The Pub Landlord → User:UBX/User and the The Pub Landlord

These are the last of the template name space moves, I will be doing some renames later this week. --Jeremy (blah blah) 00:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. I will run the bot either later tonight or tomorrow. Just FYI I won't be running the bot to update renames within user: space - just leave the redirects in place and update the gallery for the new name. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 00:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. Nitpicking, but you really should have used the third-person singular they (their coffee) instead of his. =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk  17:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the pages using the User:UBX/User is addicted to Coca-Cola template as an example, so you can do that one now. --Jeremy (blah blah) 18:39, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * k, deleted. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 18:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Sock owned templates
Hey, I discovered a bunch of food templates that were created by a banned sock User:EReference; if I move them to the UBX account could you migrate the transclusions so that they point to the User:UBX account. I do not want to see them deleted. He was banned in 2006, but some one might take up the cause and prod/tfd them.--Jeremy (blah blah) 17:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, go ahead and move the userboxes but I don't think it's necessary to update the transclusions (prods aren't allowed on userpages and people at any MFD/TFD/RFD would be bright enough to see the redirects are in use). You could place the template Do not delete on the leftover redirects if you want. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 17:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * User:EReference/Userbox Pizza1 → User:UBX/User prefers pepperoni pizza
 * User:UBX/User prefers pepperoni Pizza → User:UBX/User prefers pepperoni pizza
 * User:EReference/Userbox Pizza2 → User:UBX/User prefers black olive pizza
 * User:EReference/Userbox Pizza3 → User:UBX/User prefers sausage pizza
 * User:EReference/Userbox Pizza4 → User:UBX/User prefers Little Caesar's
 * User:EReference/Userbox Pizza5 → User:UBX/User eats cold pizza
 * User:EReference/Userbox Pizza6 → User:UBX/User eats cold pizza and potato chips
 * User:EReference/Userbox Hamburger1 → User:UBX/User will pay you Tuesday...
 * User:EReference/Userbox Hamburger2 → User:UBX/User Hamburger in Paradise
 * User:EReference/Userbox Hamburger3 → User:UBX/User eats tonnes of hamburgers
 * User:EReference/Userbox Hot Dog → User:UBX/User eats hot dogs occasionally
 * User:EReference/Userbox Hot Dogs → User:UBX/User eats hot dogs
 * User:EReference/Userbox Hot Dog Self → User:UBX/User eats too many hot dogs
 * User:EReference/Userbox Hot Dog Chicago → User:UBX/User eats Chicago-style hot dogs
 * User:EReference/Userbox Hot Dog Chicago2 → User:UBX/User only eats Chicago-style hot dogs
 * User:EReference/Userbox Hot Dog Coney → User:UBX/User eats Coney Island dogs
 * User:EReference/Userbox Hot Dog Coney2 → User:UBX/User only eats Coney Island dogs
 * User:EReference/Userbox Hot Dog Coney3 → User:UBX/User eats to many Coney Island dogs
 * User:EReference/Userbox Cheesesteak Pats → User:UBX/User Pat's Cheesesteak
 * User:EReference/Userbox Cheesesteak Genos → User:UBX/Userbox Geno's Cheesesteak
 * User:EReference/Userbox Cheesesteak Whiz → User:UBX/User Cheesesteak with Whiz
 * User:EReference/Userbox Cheesesteak Prov → User:UBX/Userbox cheesesteak with prov
 * User:EReference/Userbox Cheesesteak American → User:UBX/User cheesesteak with American
 * User:EReference/Userbox Cuisine → User:UBX/User only ketchup and mustard
 * User:EReference/UserboxGreenEggs → User:UBX/User likes green eggs
 * User:EReference/UserboxNoGreenEggs → User:UBX/User no green eggs
 * User:EReference/UserboxKosherGreenEggs → User:UBX/User kosher green eggs
 * User:EReference/UserboxCatholicGreenEggs → User:UBX/User Catholic green eggs
 * User:EReference/Userbox MRE Survivor → User:UBX/User MRE survivor
 * User:EReference/Userbox MRE Survivor2 → User:UBX/User MRE survivor 2
 * User:EReference/Userbox MRE → User:UBX/Userbox MRE
 * User:EReference/Userbox MRE French → User:UBX/User MRE French


 * As I commented above it's wasteful to update transclusions from the user: to user: space. The redirects should be safe. Just update the galleries so new users use the new locations. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What I'll do, is any of these in use by users who are using the below, I'll replace, the others, I'll leave in place. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 21:55, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Template:User pasty → User:UBX/User likes pastys
 * Template:User Sausages → User:UBX/User loves sausages
 * Template:User tofu → User:UBX/User enjoys tofu
 * Template:User Vegemite lover → User:UBX/User eats Vegemite
 * Template:User Yorkshire pudding → User:UBX/User loves Yorkshire pudding
 * Template:User Toad in the hole → User:UBX/User loves Toad in the hole
 * Template:User Lime → User:UBX/User enjoys limes
 * Template:User muffin → User:UBX/User enjoys muffins
 * Template:User waffles → User:UBX/User likes waffles
 * Template:User Cabbage → User:UBX/User enjoys cabbage soup
 * Template:User cucumber watermelon → USer:UBX/User cucumber watermelon taste alike
 * Template:User Fiddleheads → User:UBX/User eats fiddleheads
 * Template:User love iceberg lettuce → User:UBX/User loves iceberg lettuce
 * Template:User biltong 1 → User:UBX/User eats biltong
 * Template:User ham → User:UBX/User eats ham
 * Template:User paella → User:UBX/User eats paella
 * Template:User steak → User:UBX/User eats steak
 * Template:User Sunny side up → User:UBX/User eggs sunny side up
 * Template:User M & M's → User:UBX/User eats M & M's
 * Template:User addict pixe stick → User:UBX/User addicted to pixie sticks
 * Template:User Custard creams → User:UBX/User likes custard creams
 * Template:User Gingerbread Cookies:yes → User:UBX/User likes gingerbread cookies
 * Template:User Peanut Butter Cookies → User:UBX/User likes peanut butter cookies
 * Template:User likes peanut butter cookies → User:UBX/User likes peanut butter cookies
 * Template:User milk2 → User:UBX/User drinks a lot of milk
 * Template:User mead → User:UBX/User drinks mead
 * Template:User Applebee's → User:UBX/User eats at Applebee's
 * Template:User Qdoba → User:UBX/User eats at Qdoba
 * Template:User likes Starbucks → User:UBX/User likes Starbucks
 * Template:User whitecastlefan → User:UBX/User eats at White's Castle

Template:Advanced alcohol user
By moving the template, all users using that template now automatically have had their pages listed at CSD as CSD G8 since the template is gone. You can see everyone that will be affected by clicking 'what links here'. I'd resolve it, but am truly unsure how to. Probably some common sense task, lol. <em style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;color:#6600CC">Nja <em style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;color:#63D1F4">247 20:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure why they would get listed as G8? It looks like the transclusions never got updated when this particular one was migrated into userspace. I'll do that later. Thanks for catching that. (Now I see why, someone had G8'd one of the redirects) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure either, except that I had to restore that template, and this one and this one in order to remove all the user pages listed at CSD because of these user boxes being deleted. <em style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;color:#6600CC">Nja <em style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;color:#63D1F4">247 21:03, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad you know what happened :/ I'm getting tired, long Sunday.... <em style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;color:#6600CC">Nja <em style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;color:#63D1F4">247 21:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'll clean it up for good later. Thanks for the quick-fix. =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 21:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Protection? Or what?
I don't suppose it's possible to protect just the lead section of an article, is it? The pronunciation of Leonhard Euler is constantly changed (presumably in good faith) by people who don't know what they're talking about. It's correct right now, but only because it was recently fixed. There's even a note after the pronunciation saying that the common English pronunciation is wrong, but people evidently ignore that. If protection isn't possible... and I'm assuming it's not... do you have any other suggestions beyond just fixing it over and over? -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk) 14:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not without transcluding a seperate bit of the article which we don't typically do for articles, as far as I know. How about a note "common mispronounced as..."? (sourcing might be an issue for that though) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I thought. There already is a note of sorts; the edit code says:


 * " Leonhard Paul Euler (, "


 * ... but that doesn't seem to be doing much good. No worries, though.  I just figured there was no harm in asking, and there wasn't. :) Thanks, and have a great day. -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk)  15:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps bracket it in the main text rather than hidden in a footnote which most people expect to be rereferences rather than proper footnotes =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 15:13, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okie doke, I'll give that a shot. Thanks for the advice. -- <font face="Verdana"><font color="7B68EE">edi <font color="8A2BE2">(talk)  16:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Wrong user
Ha, thank you for the heads up. I wouldn't even have noticed I put his name. Perhaps I should proofread my comments before saving in the future. <font face="times new roman"> hmwith τ   17:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem... And yes, proofreading is something I often neglect to do... –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 17:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Neurobrands
Dear Xeno, I'm a researcher for Neurobrands and I want to create an article so people can research our product. This is not for advertising purposes, just to inform the community of ingredients, history, health effects and so on. How can I have an article with out being deleted? Thank you for your time.

Mybluetele86 (talk) 20:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Visit WP:AFC and follow the instructions. Ensure you provide sufficient reliable sources for a neutral party to build an article about your company. However, if your company does not meet the requirements at WP:CORP, the request will likely be denied. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I was reading the the links that you sent me and under notability it said that the only way that a company can be on wikipedia is if they've been written about in other sources or an important company??? Is that true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mybluetele86 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * yes, that's true. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 21:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletion?
I'm asking for this page to be considered for deletion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriko_Omega

She's an incredibly minor character and, in my opinion (see the Talk page), she doesn't deserve her own Wikipedia page. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps merge any usable information into Imperial characters of Command & Conquer and redirect to the same location? –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 13:50, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I just checked. They say exactly the same thing. ... That's not good, is it? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:52, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it makes your merging job easier. Just redirect the page by replacing it with

and use an edit summary like "minor character, not enough for a seperate article, merged and redirected". –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 13:55, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) REDIRECT Imperial characters of Command & Conquer
 * Okay and... umm... how do I merge something? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you just move any relevant information into the target .... but since you said they are identical, I guess a more accurate edit summary would be "redirecting minor character, not enough for a separate article, entire content exists at redirect target" or something like that. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I meant what do I click on to merge something, or am I getting really confused. Why the hell am I even trying this when I'm as tired as I am? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Replace the entire content of the page with that bit of code I wrote above ( #REDIRECT... ) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:10, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yay! It works! I didn't break the site! Thanks a lot! --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Next up: turning your userpage link blue??? =] –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:29, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe. If I remember. Also, if I dare to use coding... --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Your userspace really is the best place to muck about. P.S. if you like some coding help, see User:Xeno/wikiadopt. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll probably give it a go in a bit. The 'n' button does't work on this keyboard, so it's not the best thing to work on. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ugh... maybe re-assign the windows button to be "n"... i hate that thing =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually find the Windows button useful. I'll be on another computer at the moment (getting fed up of copy-pasting an 'n' from a Word doc), so I'll try then. Wait... what? The 'n' is working again. Guess the fault swapped locations. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm working on my user page, but I have to go offline now. Should finish tomorrow. I'm mentioning it here because the work-in-progress nicked some of the templates from your userpage. I'll tell you when it's complete, see what you think of it (it'll be rubbish, trust me). But trial and error FTW! I worked out some of the bizarre coding. I bet you can just read it without even trying, can't you? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

&larr; Looks great =) After a while it does start to become second-nature. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 16:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

From Ched
Hey Xeno, I noticed that you had been involved before, so I wanted to drop you a line on the WP:RIP issues. There is currently an open discussion on establishing (looks like a guideline at this point) procedures when we have to deal with these things. If you're already aware from one of the postings, - sorry for bothering you. The discussion is here: I didn't know if you were interested in providing input or not; I don't want to canvas, but I don't want folks left out if they are interested either. Kind Regards. — Ched : ?  00:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia talk:Deceased Wikipedians/Proposal to establish practices to be followed for deceased Wikipedians
 * Thanks for the note... I don't think I've been that involved, I just helped you correct a spelling error ;> To be honest I've never had an editor I was close with die, so I don't think I am really equipped to comment. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk  00:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * chit, you're too quick - it just dawned on me that you did help fix it up - too late now to delete and hope you wouldn't see that. ;) — Ched : ?  00:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * no worries =] –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 00:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again

 * Thanks... =) I hope what you said is mostly true... –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Entirely, except for the admire bit, I needed a space filler. But you close to admirable wih me and I am sure soem people do admire you. see ya  ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Alex Lee
Am I wrong to put a link to Hickory, North Carolina? I've been going by what someone did here: WTIX (AM)

Maybe that was wrong. If so, I've been wrong a lot, because I do hatnotes frequently.

As for the Alex Lee Inc. article, that's a redirect. I was working on Merchants Distributors, Inc., and while that's tagged for possibly being not notable, that's where the history of Alex Lee really is. Or would be if I could find a good source (answers.com seems not to be acceptable, even though the article there is everything Wikipedia strives for). Lowes Foods is not, although I think I added some details.<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 14:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think hats are only supposed to have a link to the "possible other target", but I could be wrong. You may want to peruse Hatnote or ask at WT:Hatnote.
 * Yes it's a redirect, but it makes more sense to hat the redirect actually explain why someone might want the other article, to prevent confusion. Also MDI should probably be moved to ALI if that is their new name anyway, no? –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 15:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI There's nothing directly telling in WP:Hatnote but there is this thread: Wikipedia talk:Hatnote. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 16:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I wrote it into Hatnote. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 16:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's possible I should move MDI, but I'm still looking for good infomation on Alex Lee. Only their MDI division has the information in acceptable sources. If I use answers.com as a source for Alex Lee people will jump on me.


 * Alex Lee Inc. would have to be tagged with db-move, and that's a pain. On the other hand, I'm the only one who did significant contributions to the MDI article. I could just copy and paste.<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 16:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Since ALI has only 1 revision you can just move over the redirect. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 16:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll wait until I have more information on that company. If you look at my recent contributions, you'll see I've been busy. I'm not saying I fixed every hatnote I did wrong, but I've fixed a lot of them.<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:28, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't sweat it too much. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 18:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The good news is that some of the articles had other stuff wrong anyway.<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

PERM/R
Much better, thanks. :) – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 20:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries... It was junking up my dashboard =] Hope it works. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Administrator review
I've created this process page and submitted myself for administrator review. Comments invited. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 04:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Email
You, ma'am/sir, should check your email. :) <font color="#6B8AB8">TheAE  <font color="#6B8AB8">talk /<font color="#6B8AB8">sign 04:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * kk =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 04:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Relied. <font color="#6B8AB8">TheAE  <font color="#6B8AB8">talk /<font color="#6B8AB8">sign 04:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Userbox migration
There is more to come, I'm sure. --Jeremy (blah blah) 18:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Database server is lagging hard so these will probably need to wait till this evening. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * k, all ✅. I'll keep the Find/replace for the sock's userboxes in my F&R matrix so they'll get slowly transferred over if I hit those pages for other updates. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 12:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

RfA DJ
Powerful words that must have come from some great and informative... source. --Preceding unsigned comment 00:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * =) nice username. heh –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 00:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, the only problem is when running a prefix search on myself, I end up will thousands of edits from others who can't remember to sign their name. I'm going to do a few more RfA's and then I will move on to CSD.  I hope one day to actually sit down and help write an article.  --Preceding unsigned comment  01:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Python help

 * Copied from User talk:Docu


 * Thanks

Thanks for your suggestion about pywikipedia. It's working nicely. The only downside I see is that I can't run all the Find/replaces at once so the bot may hit someone's userpage a few times if they are using more than one of the targeted userboxen. I know we've disagreed on certain things in the past, nevertheless, I never doubted your good faith towards the project and understand your tendency to IAR to cut through red tape. In case you had not noticed, I softened further my claim that your bot was reverting, realizing that it could've simply been repeating the changes not realizing it's edits had been reverted. best regards, –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 13:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for updating it. I suppose we could archive the three threads now. BTW you could build a regex in user_fixes.py and do all of them together, but it's not as quick as template.py. -- User:Docu


 * k, that's done. Re: user_fixes, thanks - I'll look into that =) cheers, –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 02:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there anywhere that explains how to write user-fixes.py? –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 18:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm I think I may have figured it out ! curious -transcludes can't accept a non-template though. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 18:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I was going to write that at replace.py there are a few resources I found helpful. Their format should be identical to ones in "fixes.py" and a sample is here, but more documentation would probably be helpful. Yes, pagegenerator.py could use some additions .. BTW, I'd remove the "r" and escape the curly ones in the first part instead. -- User:Docu


 * Oh dear... I'm afraid I am User-regex-0 ;p would you mind making the changes to my sandbox so I can understand what you mean? –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 18:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It works swimmingly! (Except for this blasted "database server lag", though I doubt you can do much about that ;>) Thank you again =] –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Found a self-proclaimed sock
Of an indeffed user.  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  19:28, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone got him. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right. I should've checked the block log first.  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  19:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

ROFLMAO
I just noticed that you were an admin... and I couldn't remember when you ran... so I had to look you up... imagine my surprise when I realized that I was your nom... d0H! (and no, your name change is not an excuse, I remembered it.)--- I'm Spartacus!  NO! I'm Spartacus! 19:44, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL.... i'm not really sure what to make of that... am I that forgettable, or do I need to flag a steward to de-admin you because you're getting senile! ;> –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

User UBX:/User Phantasy Star-lover
I don't think you've moved User UBX:/User Phantasy Star-lover to the correct place, you should have probably moved it to User:UBX/User Phantasy Star-lover -- WOSlinker (talk) 15:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dear... Thanks for the note! Will fix. =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 15:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Dumb Question
I've noticed a couple words lately that I'm not really familiar with, although I've since looked them up. "cromulent" and "embiggened" Do these all tie into the Simpson's cartoon? I never really heard them before, until I started here. I didn't want to ask, cause I didn't want to look stupid. But the curiosity has become more than I can bear. I know I'm behind the times in a lot of ways, and I suppose if I took the time to watch things like the Simpsons, Family Guy and stuff like that I'd pick up on a lot of the current slang. Did it start there? ... or was it always around, and the Simpson's just made it popular? thx. — Ched : ?  19:36, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Embiggen has been used before a long while ago, I didn't even know it was not a quote-unquote "real" word until I used it somewhere and someone pointed me to that bit about The Simpsons "inventing" those two words. "Cromulent" is entirely from the Simpsons and I suppose it made it's way into the lexicon-proper. I find it amusing to use such neologisms around here, another notable occurrence was someone's pointing out my use of "gorram" in a noticeboard thread somewhere. LOL, I just noticed this vote in its VFD. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:48, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Um, hello
Do you know anything about Cad Bane from Star Wars? --Abce2 (talk) 19:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing more than is listed here: Cad Bane... =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks anyway. I am trying to keep the article from being deleted.--Abce2 (talk) 20:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Try finding some reliable sources to reference what you are saying in the article. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:12, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Huggle and AWB (new section)
Hi Xeno. Thanks a lot for enabling me to use AWB. If I understand you correctly I would be now able to dowloand and install AWB after reading the instructions manual, correct? Also, regarding Huggle, you said the reason my install failed is that the Rollback feature was not enabled in my page, and that you could enable that. Could you do that, please, then? And then, once you do that, my final question(s) are: a) which one should I start playing with first, Huggle or AVB, in your opinion? And, b) should I disable Popups before I start playing with Huggle or AWB, or they can coexist on my personal configurations without harm done? Thanks a lot for all your prompt help again.--warshy<sup style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #129dbc!important;">talk 19:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Replied & continued at user's talk page. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help on formatting the boxes to the right on my page. You guessed right again! Now I want to change the two boxes' order, with the wiki time on top and the other on the bottom. Thanks! (I am guessing you must be like 22 or 25 years old tops, whereas I am 56.)--warshy<sup style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #129dbc!important;">talk 23:08, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Very close guess! Feel free to continue to ask me questions on my user talk page (this way I will be sure not to miss them). As for switching the order, just move one above the other. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 23:12, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks again. (By the way, the idea for the additional box I took from your page, and you ask there to notify you, I think, if you copy something from there. But you must have guessed that already...)--warshy<sup style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #129dbc!important;">talk 23:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries - feel free to copy anything you want from my userspace. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 23:19, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

John Fisher
Hello xeno. As you're the protecting admin I request early unprotection of The John Fisher School. When I said earlier that it was a content dispute, and that I'd take either semi- or full- protection, that was a considered policy-based opinion. The basis for the edits is undoubtedly a NPOV dispute. We've now had a period of full protection, enough to bang some heads together, I've explained the cause of the problems on the talk page, and now without further input from the interested parties there is little else to be said. I now think it needs some editing, but if it stays on your watchlist or you come across it again, or if you feel like it now, I think "Continued unexplained removal of content" is a good reason for semi-. Preferably not too long though. -- zzuuzz (talk) 09:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. thanks for the note. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 16:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: iw-matrix
I've added parameters so it can handle up to 30 custom projects. I'm reluctant to add much more, as there is a practical limit to how big this template can be. In testing it in my sandbox, the size of the content in the edit box is only 851 bytes; however once the template (with 30 custom projects listed) gets expanded, it's up to over 300 kilobytes. That's large enough to make some slower connections start to freak out; for reference, ANI is at this time about 150 KB in the edit box. If you feel as though more are needed, let me know, but please make sure they're really needed first. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 20:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:BLANKING
Yeh, I saw what you did. As long as there's a quick-and-easy way to get to the previous warnings, that seems good enough. That character came off a month-long block and started in again right away. Now he'll have three months of time on his hands, up dere at Windsor, eh? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 01:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. You're right, sometimes they go away, other times they stick around to see what limited havoc they can wreak. So leaving them alone is probably best. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I just now read his comments. The threat to shoot me in the head (or maybe some other part of a naval vessel) is likely a bluff, since they don't allow guns in Canada, right? Right? Bloody well right? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * RBI, DENY, etc. =) He's just blowing smoke. We do have a few guns here... –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 03:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeh, I suppose you have to keep that wolverine population under control. Well, first he'd have to sneak a gun over the border. Then he'd have to find me here in Florida. Then he'd have to get past various barriers... my Rottweiler farm; my swamp filled with large, grinning reptiles; and then the deadliest weapon of all: my mother-in-law, armed with a sharp tongue and a blunt rolling pin. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
RE: Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents and User:Wheelchair_Epidemic/CrapArticle

Thank you thank you for stopping this template deletion conversation, it would have been awkward for a lot of editors. Ikip (talk) 02:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem, anti-drama is my middle name! –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 15:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Merge
Could you do a histmerge of Star Trek DAC to Star Trek: D-A-C. The latter is correct title. Also can you histmerge this title to Flock (video game). The user ChimpanzeeUK has done a improper job by copy paste method. --SkyWalker (talk) 13:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Flock! has been moved back and merged. As far as Star Trek DAC, I should probably not over-ride the decision of R'n'B here, so please discuss on the talk page of the article. It also seems to me that the dashes are more of a stylistic thing - it's doubtful that the majority of sources will refer to it as "Star Trek D-A-C", but I could be wrong. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk  14:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

The header bar
I copied your header ting (which you copied from Rudget and he copied it from AGK), and after the noinclude bit you have put something else in with your adminness and I did not understand it; what does it mean and do I have to change it? Adolphus has disappeared again  ' The Ninja  lemming '  16:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can deleted everything after the tag (and should definitely delete the template). –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk  16:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Doen that, what the hell did it mean anyway?  ' The Ninja  lemming '  16:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It meant... "IF (the page is USER:XENO), THEN (show the template, and also show something about an optimized browser, but I had that  ) ELSE (show  )". It was a parserFunction. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk  16:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll take some time out to practice that then, it looks abit like logic gates if you ask me.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, pretty much. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 17:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

"subheaderfy'ing"
I'm not sure that is a word. ;) Rockfang (talk) 18:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ sir, on Wikipedia you can -erfy/-ify anything. In fact, I just re-templatefied an articlefied template. Boldification! –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I also draw your attention to this MFD, where the result was subpageify. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh. ;) Find me an MfD closed by another admin (other than yourself) that used subpageify, and then I'll be impressed.--Rockfang (talk) 20:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Results: 1 of 1. of course they could've used a different spelling or punctuation? you never know! –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You know, you gave it a different name than it started with, which is confusing cause it left redlinks and deletion notices on my watchlist. Dragons flight (talk) 19:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * sorry - better now? –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Flock!
Re Hi. WP:MOSTM says to "avoid using special characters that are not pronounced". I would of thought an excamation point comes under this in this usage as it is purely decorative. Having said that, Yahoo! has an exclamation mark but that may be because the word "yahoo" is an exclamation in it's self. Hmm. <font color="#dc5f02" >ChimpanzeeUK  - User | Talk | Contribs 19:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * By my read, exclamations are pronounced as they modify the inflection of the word. But feel free to raise the issue at MOSTM. =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 19:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Since you were interested...
...there is a fair amount of patent vandalism, test edits, and nonsense on User:MBisanz/CT that will need to be hand reviewed now for deletion, like File talk:Pbalson 20060527 IMG 3675.JPG and File talk:Scientistpcr.jpg, and you look like just the admin to do it. I should also note that Google indexes all of these talk pages, so there is an actual reason to get rid of junk here that has a tendency to show up in Google results.  MBisanz  talk 05:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. There must be some way to further refine the results: what about a query on the number of edits the user who created the page has? That would at least narrow it down somewhat, no? –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 12:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Termination of A/E requests by involved editors
Hi Xeno — I've just seen your edit with regard to the ban appeal of EddieSegoura, and the edit summary you have given. I might be involved in (or affected by) a similar action: Recently, Jehochman closed an A/E request against me, with a comment that, in my view, misrepresents our prior communication. He might use the "summary" he has given to suggest that his A/E request had been justified. Would it be possible to copy the text of our prior conversation into the archive itself, so that it appers under his statement? — Cs32en (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * How about a permlink to the discussion? That seems reasonable enough. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 21:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Or you want me to subst that transcluded bit? Either seems reasonable. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 21:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your advice! I've already transcluded the discussion in my section of the archived A/E request. Would it be OK to place it under Jehochman's comment? (I could do it, with a reference to you in the edit summary.) — Cs32en (talk) 21:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably best I did it. Hows this? –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 21:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Just didn't want to bother you with this any more than necessary. (Just changed my signature.) <font style="color:#000085;"> Cs32en 21:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No bother. Regards, –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 21:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Deleted Comic Article
I created a page for the Webcomic Better Days titled "Better Days (Webcomic) only to have it deleted before I finished work on it. I would like a copy of that page so that I can finish it and repost it.

MaceEcam (talk) 13:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * See User:MaceEcam/Better Days (Webcomic). You'll need reliable sourcing and an assertion of notability before moving it back into the mainspace. Feel free to ask me to review it once you think it's ready to go back. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 13:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Adminitis
Dear Xeno, I've reverted this edit. How is referring to Wikipedia as "the project" a sign of adminitis? Many content contributors refer to WP as "the project". Referring to Wikipedia as "the project" is not adminitis. Referring to WP as "the project", but not doing enough article work is adminitis. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 13:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm an edit I made nearly a year ago on a humour page... didn't really need the note, but thanks =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 13:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I take WP:Adminitis page seriously. Many admins on this project suffer from adminitis. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 14:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Xeno, I can't believe you made that innocuous edit to a humor page a year ago! I don't know what is happening with you these days... Chillum  14:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * =) FWIW I felt that admins who refer to WP as "the project" are taking themselves too seriously. That's why I added it. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 14:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Outrageous. Any fule kno that WP should be referred to as "The Project". Please correct that lower case insult at once. . dave souza, talk 15:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * WP:Adminitis is srs binznes. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 18:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Niko
Re Dear Xeno, I am sorry if I nearly broke that three revert rule. My excuse for changing nico to russian is because my russian friend translated a bit of his speech to russian(when he meets his cousin in the entry movie, Nico says something which Roman does not understand, and Nico says" what you forget our language" Then roman replies "capoiste?" which means cabbages in RUSSIAN.) Just tryin to help —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikolai Filatov (talk • contribs) 17:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, you were acting in good faith. This issue has received a lot of argumentation (see Talk:Grand_Theft_Auto_IV/Archive_14 for a start) and we settled on "unspecific Eastern European" eventually. In any case, I hope you stick around to help contribute to more articles, just keep in mind that statements that may be called into question should be reliably sourced. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 17:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Redirect change
BTW, I did [this] change redirecting Requests for Undeletion to Requests for undeletion from WP:DRV. Hopefully it won't increase rather than decreasing confusion. Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  18:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks... No incoming links so it should be OK. I've moved the exchange on that first fulfillment to the talk page, to stimulate more discourse. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 18:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

You may have been able to resist the temptation...
...but not me. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 18:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I had a feeling you'd do that ;p –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 18:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ev, you knew what you were doing? Wow, that makes one of us ;-)--- I'm Spartacus!  NO! I'm Spartacus! 20:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's definitely a radical departure from the norm for me... EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 20:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

FYI
The troll that is targetting me, DGG, Chillum, and Miss Star only needs to be blocked for 3 hours. He is using throw away IP's. So heck, a 15 minute block is probably enough!--- I'm Spartacus!  NO! I'm Spartacus! 20:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * kk, I'll keep that in mind. though that means i'll have to do it manually ;p –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 31 hours isn't a problem... I just try to keep IP blocks to a minimum unless I know it is a static IP. The odds are that nobody else will use that same IP in the near future, but you never know.--- I'm Spartacus!  NO! I'm Spartacus! 20:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * yea, me too... except for schoolblocks of course... you might want to talk a look at WP:INDEFIP sometime. i did some cleaning but there's probably still stragglers in there. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * now we have 2 from the 206.123.89.xxx range. Sparticist, the last few have been with you first, so I'm watching there, DGG (talk) 20:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Already rangeblocked btw. -- zzuuzz (talk) 20:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah ... the semi protection of User talk:Spartacus can probably be undone again then. Sorry Spartacus, I should have checked first if you're online anyway. -- Amalthea 21:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * you spoil'd our honeypot!!! ;p –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk  21:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * . But yeah, I've only read this after the fact. -- Amalthea 21:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Guess, I was wrong, he is recycling the IPs...--- I'm Spartacus!  NO! I'm Spartacus! 17:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Ahh another discussion on our troll :) I've semi'ed myself further because I'm offline and out of town this weekend and don't want anyone to have to deal with the incessant reverting of his nonsense. When is he going to get bored is what I want to know. <b style="font-family:Verdana; color:#6633FF;">StarM</b> 02:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * i'll keep an eye out for him. have a nice weekend.  =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk  02:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks <b style="font-family:Verdana; color:#6633FF;">StarM</b> 02:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion on update about Swine flu
Hi, I wanted to suggest to you, the following update on the Swine flu, about a probable suspected case in India, since I am not allowed access to editing the article. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Swine-flu-reaches-India/articleshow/4465683.cms Thanks, Lilaac (talk) 00:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added it to the table... Though you should be able to edit it by now... (Takes 4 days and you've been here 5 or 6) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk  00:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and sorry about being slow, took me a while to figure out how to do the table, understood it now :-)!Lilaac (talk) 01:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * no problem at all. I don't blame you taking it slow on tables, the syntax takes a little getting used to. feel free to play around in your userspace, and ask me any questions you may have. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 01:50, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Swine flu update
Swine flu update

Agence France-Presse First Posted 11:58:00 04/30/2009

Filed Under: Swine Flu, Health

HONG KONG – Main events of the past 24 hours in the crisis over swine flu:

• The World Health Organization raised its flu alert to five on a scale of six, signaling a swine flu pandemic is "imminent." • The United States became the second country to confirm a death from the disease after Mexico, saying a 23-month-old toddler from Texas, had died. • Mexico, the main country affected to date, cut its toll of probable deaths from the swine flu epidemic nearly in half to 84, with eight confirmed, and said the impact from the disease could cost its frail economy more than $70 billion. • US President Barack Obama vowed to do "whatever it takes" to combat swine flu but rejected calls to close the US border with Mexico. • Spain reported its first case of swine flu in a person who has not recently visited Mexico. • Officials in Mexico City ordered practically all public spaces shut down to try to halt the spread of the infection. Major tourist sites were also closed. • The latest World Health Organization figures show the United States had 91 cases (one death), Mexico 26 (seven deaths), Canada 13, Spain four, New Zealand three, Germany three, Britain five and Israel two and Austria one. • Egypt has ordered the “immediate” slaughter of all pigs in the country to avoid any outbreak of swine flu. • There is no evidence that the spread of the swine flu virus is slowing, said Keiji Fukuda, WHO acting Assistant Director General Keiji Fukuda said. • Evidence from the swine flu epidemic centerd in Mexico is ruling out pigs as a source of transmission, the WHO said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Euronbaja (talk • contribs) 05:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I need the link or perhaps you can paste the link to Template talk:2009 swine flu outbreak table. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 22:51, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

D'oh!
I can't say for sure without going through the history, but yep, I bet you are right, and my name change is responsible for the breakage. I didn't think about that at all. Assuming it starts working again now, that'll pretty much confirm it. Thanks for catching that! <font color="#ee3366">Lady <font color="#229922">of <font color="#0095c6">Shalott 03:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. I am fairly certain that is why, the last time MiszaBot archived for you was the day before you renamed. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 03:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Your repair did indeed correct the problem. Thank you again! <font color="#ee3366">Lady <font color="#229922">of <font color="#0095c6">Shalott 17:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Anytime =] –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 17:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for AfD on Malcolm McCulloch
Thanks much for that AfD on Malcolm McCulloch. It's such a dumb feeling when you start doing something and then get an error message saying that you're stuck halfway. :-) -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 04:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. You might consider registering an account, even if it's just to do one-off tasks like this if you prefer to edit by IP. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b> <sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 12:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)