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Myths still perpetuated by the uneducated, misinformed and just plain deceitful:
Myth 1: Photos in The New Soldier book, and on the cover, show VVAW vets "mocking" the historic image depicting Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima, by raising the flag upside down in a similar manner!


 * Sure enough, a handful of Vietnam veterans at a protest were photographed with an upside down American Flag, in a formation similar to that of the famous Iwo Jima photograph. What the mythmakers don't tell you is that those military men were conducting a patriotic candlelight march around the White House with the flag displayed upside down in the historic signal of distress, as instructed by the United States Code of Laws, The Flag Code - Title 36, U.S.C., Chapter 10, §176. The protesters contended the American people were POWs, held prisoner by a deceitful and unresponsive government that was endangering our lives and treasure in Vietnam for no good reason. The mythmakers hope you won't trouble yourself to actually read the book they hold up. Photo caption:

Myth 2: Photos in the New Soldier book depict a man in a wheelchair, and 20 pages later the photos show that same man standing upright - they are frauds!

John O'Neill likes to repeat this falsehood, adding, "So these are people who would fake anything. I mean they would fake disabilities." There are photographs of several people in wheelchairs in this book; one of the vets has no legs, another is paralyzed from the chest down — but wait, on page 120 there is a photo of a man being pushed in a wheelchair, and on page 40 that same man is walking upright with other vets. We have found our fraud, our faker of disability! Pay no attention to the photograph on page 112 of this same man sitting on the Supreme Court steps, with his prosthetic left foot removed, and his crutch laying beside him. O'Neill hopes you won't pick up the book and actually look for yourselves - just accept his lies as gospel. People that read or investigate aren't his target audience anyway. It's been said that books and newspapers and research (and thinking...) are tools of the leftists. Maybe so.

Myth 3: Most of the participants at the WSI are frauds, and most of the testimonies are lies!

Myth 4: Most of the participants refuse to give specific information or names, which shows they must be lying!

Myth 5: Steve Pitkin claims that he was forced to tell lies at the WSI, which proves the WSI was a fraud!

Myth 6: Al Hubbard is a total fraud, and not even a vet!

Related article topics and notes

 * Vietnam Veterans Against the War links
 * Julian Soshnick
 * Hugh Hester
 * Mark Lane
 * Agent Orange
 * Scott Camil
 * Gainesville Eight
 * Red River Delta
 * Winter Soldier Investigation --> POV mess
 * Lifton & Shatan -->PTSD? (follow ref. 440, 443 & 444...  add trio notes)
 * Winter Soldier --> expand stub

dead links; incomplete references; what links here; review past talk page discussions for issues of contention

Accumulated sources

 * 'Lying about Kerry' Rally; C-SPAN
 * Swett's Misrepresentations of supposed CID reports
 * Useful Fool interview of O'Neill
 * Interesting observation: O'Neill falsely claims photos of vets in Winter Soldier book (see 50:51 minutes in) show vets in wheelchairs, but 20 pages later they are walking around. "So these are people who would fake anything. I mean they would fake disabilities."


 * Kerry - O'Neill debate on Dick Cavett Show
 * Interesting observation: O'Neill denies meeting with Nixon Administration folks before this June 30 debate with Kerry (see 11:40 minutes in) - yet he met with them (and Nixon personally) on June 16th.


 * Just O'Neill on C-SPAN, takes phone calls
 * 2004 Campaign coverage w/Cavett show, SwiftVet Ads, Cheney

(Full Winter Soldier Investigation testimony as read into congressional record, April 6-7, 1971) Red Bound Congressional Books J11 R5 - Volume 117; Part 8 92nd Congress; 1st Session Pages 9947-10055