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Unreferenced BLPs
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 * 1) Aivars Endziņš -

Thanks for help on Dūdas!
Much thanks for your cleanup translation, the article had been in a rough state for quite some time, for lack of enough Latvian-speaking Wikipedians. I'll nip over and clean up the structure as well, and I've contacted the guy with the YouTube clips of Dudas to see if he can release a good photo. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:30, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Translation on architecture
Can you assist me with this sentence in Latvian that is quite hard for me to decipher: "Pēdējai katras logailas apdare ir atšķirīga, bet zem erkera veidotas hermes — balsti ar figurālu augšgaļu". It is for the article on Konstantīns Pēkšēns. Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\Work 21:23, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Cat house (Riga)
That article is a possible WP:DYK candidate — if the entire and referenced version of the cat story is told. Interested? Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\Work 22:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn`t think of that, unfortunately. As the school year starts I am moving to Estonia within next few days, so I don`t know if I`ll have any time. The story is referenced, but I don`t know if there is a longer version - all I saw were about two sentences in lenght and some details varied in some versions (I took what seeed to be the most popular one), so it could take some time to find out what acctualy happened Xil  (talk) 22:44, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I have found some hardcopy references to beef up the article with more on the cat story, perhaps tomorrow since I was busy with other stuff today. Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\Work 17:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I have gone through five different books and also done some googling. It seems like the publishing of the cat story is of newer date, since I cannot find it in two books on Riga that are pre-WWII issues. In the other three books and on the web, it is almost impossible to get a coherent reference for the entire story, since everybody seems to have bits and pieces of the story - so almost impossible to verify. I will put this on hold until coherent reference can be found. Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\Work 19:49, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Cat house (Riga)
Calmer  Waters  18:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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Reference desk
At the top of the Reference desk it says: "The Wikipedia reference desk works like a library reference desk. Users leave questions on the reference desk and Wikipedia volunteers work to help you find the information you need." Can I please draw your attention to the words I've highlighted. The ref desk is not a place where editors should leave opinions, guesses, or random thoughts - it's a place where editors try to help questioners by giving them hard information, or pointing them towards relevant articles or other sources of information. Just a thought. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Hoppenhof
I noticed that you made a redirect from "Hoppenhof" to Ape, Latvia. Can you explain to me why you did this? I can't see any relationship to the two. Secondly, it is a bit in the way of the restaurant Hoppenhof that I want to describe. Maybe it must be changed in a disambiguation page, but I want to hear your opinion first before doing anything. Night of the Big Wind talk  12:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

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Warning for edit-warring.
You appear to be engaged in an edit war on Baltic languages. Adding unsourced material and distorting scholarly consesus are against our core policies: WP:NPOV, WP:RS and WP:V. Discuss your edits on the talk page before reverting again, or you can be blocked. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 14:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * One revert is not edit waring, I suggest you not be so aggressive. I asked you politely to get a source that claims that it is a minority view, because watching the article (I got a javascript on my watchlist which shows changes related to Wikiproject Latvia) it is quite obvious that there are many people who disagree or haven't even heard about the concept. Looking for scientific debate on topic in Latvian also yielded nothing. It is therefore highly questionable to solely promote views that may be accepted in scientific community, but are not known by the general public and the part of the public that might have interest in the topic Xil  (talk) 14:27, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * @Dominus Vobisdu, it was quite clear on reviewing the source cited that Xil's content fairly and accurately reflected the source, while the other editor's edit did not. Deletion of sourced content by the other party to indicate a single viewpoint, that is, not reflecting the source cited, constituted vandalism. Please investigate the basis for reverts before assuming guilt and threatening administrative actions. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 18:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "Not be so aggressive" sounds very funny for you, Xil. "One revert is not edit warring" - few days ago as LV-wiki admin you gave me my first ever warning for just single revert on some LV-Wiki article. And then today for just re-adding (after long discussion!) of someone's else old but "unsourced material" and adding {fact} to it - you immediately fully blocked me there for 6(!) months for the first time! Xil, I doubt your same neitrality on different Wikipedia projects. --Gwfan (talk) 19:19, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as I remeber the long discussion was result of you harrasing me for warning you for deleting sourced information in favour of unsourced content and not letting you have a proper edit/flame war with another user, not about the content of the article. You were told that you could add the content back, if you coud verify it, instead you just added the unsourced material back. I did give you another warning verbaly not to continue behaving in such manner and two warnings are enough on Latvian Wikipedia. You were not blocked for edit waring, but for trolling and restoring deleted content that suited your POV even when you yourself admit that it is not sourced (and you had enough time to do so - I'm guessing you couldn't find anything). Six months seemed mild given the fact that recently another user was given a year long ban for trolling. Besides this is complitely unrelevent to the topic of this discussion and English Wikipedia in general. I consider this comment a personal attack and suggest you do not continue Xil  (talk) 23:55, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank your for disclosing more details on this topic. Whether my actions was trolling it's just your opinion. The only important notes are: I reverted back very old but recently removed non-sourced major content (few new sourced person opinions was initially reverted too) and added {fact} template to it with intention to ask other users help with source; six month is my first ever ban; and I was active LV-Wikipedia user for about half year without any warnings before. And let's others decide whether Latvian Wikipedia policy or your interpretation of it is aggressive or not. Anyway now you gave me the good reason to translate this article to English too and discuss it here without your admin-harassments. P.S. Seems your guessing is not right - I already found first source and added to RU version of article. --Gwfan (talk) 05:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Knock yourself out - it is not of my concern what you do on other Wikipedias as long as you leave me alone Xil  (talk) 08:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I also think everything was discussed here. --Gwfan (talk) 12:53, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Your block has been reduced, note though that this is because other users felt it was a bit too harsh for first time, not that anybody questioned the grounds for blocking you. Xil  (talk) 13:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This is not true: 01:34, 27 maijā, 2012 01:34, 27 maijā, 2012 Feens atbloķēja Gwfan - Uzskatu, ka bloks ... ir nepamatots - translated as "Feens unblocked Gwfan: I think there was no real reason to block". But thanks anyway. P.S. Feens is Latvian Wikipedia bureaucrat. --Gwfan (talk) 14:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't cherry pick Xil  (talk) 14:37, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This is not "cherry pick" but just evidence against your phrase "not that anybody questioned the grounds for blocking you". Yes, there was discussion about my case but it was mostly your monologue (unfortunately, with many false statements). And I see that other LV-admins was tried to calm unpleasant situation you started. --Gwfan (talk) 20:05, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * For crying out loud - I was explaining to you why I reduced the block, if you have a problem with that I can reinstate previous lenght. You did leave out the part where Feens too said he objects the lenght of block and is open for discussion. Unfortunately, he hasn't yet respomded my post so I cannot guess what he really thinks, I merely noted the objections other users had to lenght of the block and acted accordingy. Haven't changed my mind about the reasons behind the action and no one has really given any counter argument to those, so do not assume that your behaviour is now deemed any more appropriate than before. And enough allready - English Wikipedia is not the place to discuss adminstrative actions on Latvian Wikipedia. This whole discussion isn't scoring you any points, you know Xil  (talk) 20:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, here is the full Feens's message "Uzskatu, ka bloks (sevišķi uz 6 mēnešiem relatīvu sīkumu dēļ) ir nepamatots. Varam diskutēt, ja vajag" translation: "I think there was no reason to block (especially for the 6 months due to relative small things). We can discuss this if necessary". --Gwfan (talk) 21:09, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Xil, but I have last but important question: I reviewed ALL my changes once more and here they are in chronological order: 1) My "invalid" revert of someone's else change. 2) Your instant warning to me. 3) Then I started to discuss with you my change and your warning here and then here. 4) During our discussion you gave me second "verbal warning" - probably in your first reply comment or last reply to me before blocking (due to my later deleted content recovering). During this discussion I didn't made any change on any article. So my question: is your second "verbal" warning (you've used to enforce block) was because of "invalid" discussion? --Gwfan (talk) 04:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You were blocked for your overall behaviour and aditude. I did in fact tell you several times tell you that your behaviour was unaceptable, because you announced that you are going to ignore the first warining. I would figure that anyone would understand that deleting major part of content, which is referenced and restoring unreferenced content is something to think twice about and discuss first, rather than later. You then claimed that the content you removed was new and controversial and that I was keeping you fromm having a discussion with the user who contributed this content, although the changes were, in fact, made several months ago, there was hardly anything controversial about them and you never tried to contact the author. You picked out a claim removed by the other user and rather than finding a source for it and then adding it to the current content, which is what most people would probably do, first tried to discuss it as controversial and then again added back without any references - if this content was indeed as controversal as you claimed, I feel that it woud have caused flame war in first instance and an edit war in the second case. So there - it didn't seem like your aim was to contribute to the encyclopedia and you obviously needed a break to read up on Wikipedia poicies. Suggest that while doing so you focus on the overall meaning not just on what seems to describe the situation at hand. And really - you said this is the last thing you want to know - the discussion is over, I won't answer the next post. Xil  (talk) 09:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So, first warning - for just single revert and readiness for its discussion (which is by fact acceptable behavior on other Wikipedia portals) and then second warning - because of "you announced that you are going to ignore the first warning". Really, no more comments. --Gwfan (talk) 10:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I would kindly ask you next time "not be so aggressive" too, despite the fact that we are usually opponents in political discussions. --Gwfan (talk) 10:37, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Acceptable behaviour is not to delete content. Acceptable behaviour is to discuss first, if you feel there is need to remove large chunk of content. Acceptable behaviour is not to add unreferenced claims that you believe to be controversial to the articles. Acceptable behaviour is inviting author whose work you are removing to discussion. Acceptable behaviour is not to look for controversies and opponents where there aren't any. And not to announce that you will not take warnings and bans for unacceptable behaviour and not discuss it at lenght is also acceptable behaviour. Xil  (talk) 11:31, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Xil, for your further explanation on what is acceptable. I'll take this in account. Probably, the deleted content recovering without source but just with {fact} template was my mistake but I assumed it is well-known fact (as it stayed here for 6 years and finding source for it was easy task for me). Also I would assure that I never mentioned or wanted to start edit war with Pirags user and we both (I and Pirags) managed to find consensus in some previous discussions few months ago. --Gwfan (talk) 12:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems that for me is little bit difficult to switch to LV-Wikipedia rules from RU-Wikipedia rules where revert of recent change without even opening discussion is normal behavior. That's why I announced in discussion that I'll ignore your first warning (which was completely unexpected for me) supposing it was mistake. --Gwfan (talk) 12:33, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Xil, big sorry again but very last question. To more understand what I did and why - I carefully reviewed our discussion where you gave me implicit verbal warning for "taking easy" your first warning caused by revert ;-) Let it be. But then you told me this phrase: "Tu būtu varējis atjaunot frāzi, kas tavuprāt dzēsta nepamatoti, tādējādi vispār izvairoties no liekām diskusijām" which translated as "you would just recover content you think groundlessly deleted and thus avoid unnecessary discussion". And this is exactly what I did next - recovered deleted content. But then was blocked in result. I should note that previously we discussed not only this recovered content but also another sourced content I erroneously supposed was deleted although it was just moved. Seems your phrase was addressed only to last one. Do you agree this was just misunderstanding from my side? --Gwfan (talk) 20:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've explained what you did wrong several times. If you still don't get it, I guess I can't hep you. Leave me alone. Xil  (talk) 04:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, Xil. Now I think we clarified all here. I was forced to switch language to English as you blocked my LV-talk page too, so I couldn't either discuss there or use unblock for appealing and independent review (like here). Kindly ask you or someone else put unblock request on my LV-talk page now on my behalf, with mandatory link to this discussion. Anyway I've forced to appeal later, just after my current block will expire, to prevent your next legally longer block for some future minor issue or misunderstanding again. --Gwfan (talk) 06:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's see - two days left and you still haven't even stoped to think. Obviously this block isn't reaching it's aim, might as well unblock you now. Xil  (talk) 08:05, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for unblock, Xil. --Gwfan (talk) 08:16, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Nobody's perfect. Everyone makes mistakes. But some mistakes teach great lessons & make us better persons. --Gwfan (talk) 09:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Latvian pronunciation files
You've uploaded a few pronunciation files of Latvian words to Commons, but there aren't very many of them. I'm trying to improve the coverage of Latvian words at the English Wiktionary, but there aren't many Latvian pronunciation files at commons, and I'm not a native speaker, so I can't myself record new ones. Do you happen to know where I could find other such files -- or are you still interested in recording and uploading them? (please place answers in my Wiktionary talk page) --Pereru (talk) 14:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I faintly remember doing so, but it was not for wikitionary, I haven't really contributed to it. Plus, somebody complained that they wanted to put IPA in some articles, but my pronounciation was so bad they didn't understand it. So I don't know, is there something particular you need help with, like a list of words/category which you very much would like to have pronounciation for? I think I know one online dictionary with pronounciation samples, but I don't think they are free, perhaps you could link to them from article. Will see if I can post a link later Xil  (talk) 15:16, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If there are some particular names you'd like a recording of, I could provide some WAV files or MP3s. It would be low priority at the moment, so apologies in advance. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 18:16, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would eventually like to have pronunciation files for all Latvian words in Wiktionary, but of course that's a very long-term desire to fulfill (except if I find Aladin's lamp). But in principle I'm simply improving entries at Wiktionary, so it doesn't matter so much which words you'd record. When you have some time, you could just have a look at, say, Category:Latvian nouns, select any five at random, record their pronunciation (see ābols or lauva for examples) and upload them to Commons (placing them in the Category:Latvian pronunciation and giving them the standard filename Lv-WORD.ogg). --Pereru (talk) 02:31, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * So in essence you want to attract new Latvian contributors to Wiktionary. Why don't you try asking on Latvian Wikipedia (here) or on Latvian wiktionary? I'll see what I can do, though, perhaps more complex looking ones. It's just that I am barely contributing to Wikipedia, not really looking forward to take up another project. Xil  (talk) 13:29, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Which is OK, Xil. Yes, you're right. I think I'll leave a note at the Latvian Wikipedia and Wiktionary -- not only to add pronunciation files, but to check on my work. I've been adding words with English translations from my own experience as a student of Latvian, and from online sources; it would be great to have actual Latvian native speakers who could check the appropriateness of my English translations (Latvian émigrés who also have English as a native language would be ideal). Hey, even though you're not so interested in actively contributing, still you've done a good thing for me today -- so here's my word of thanks. Thanks! :) --Pereru (talk) 20:52, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I made some samples of words listed at end of noun category and uploaded to commons See if you like them, turns out my laptop's cooler is causing quite some noise and seems removing it occasionaly doesn't work (espesialy in words with r or z sounds). And place them in articles your self, because I'm a bit confused as to what is proper layout in Wiktionary and don't have time to look up tutorials now. I added English translation for differently pronounced homographs. Also perhaps you could employ this or some project page to make a list of words you wish to have pronounciation for  Xil  (talk) 16:57, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great! I'm new at Wiktionary, so I didn't even know about that page. I'll use it more often (though I'm not sure how many people actually check it -- it seems I'm currently the only active user at Wiktionary working on Latvian). Thanks for all those new files! Of course I'll put them myself in the articles -- I'm the one who is interested in doing that... :)
 * May I by the way ask where you are from in Latvia? That is, what dialect do you speak? (From what I've read, there are important differences between Eastern, Central, and Western accents, especially for words with tone differences, like zāle 'hall' and zāle 'grass'. For English words at Wiktionary, they indicate if the pronunciation is American or British; probably I should do the same for Latvian variants.) --Pereru (talk) 20:52, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * My whole point was that you coud use this category, so people who you ask for help see what exactly you want, not that you should use it to request other users of Wiktionary. I don't see a point of indicating dialects - it is normaly undestood that Latvian is the middle dialect, of other two dialects one has very different phonology and its own standartization and the other also is diffrent as they have no endings&stuff so it also wouldn't be very homographic. If you try to go further down there are hundreds of subvariations for each dialect, soyou won't be able to reflect them all. And the miidle dialect has three intonations of which two sound so close that it is extremely hard to tell them apart (at least as long as they are not mispronounced), so in some subdialects these have merged, therefore both using three or two is acceptable. It's distinction between these two and the third you want to hear Xil  (talk) 22:21, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I could use it; I'm just not sure there are any Latvians currently checking that page (there don't seem to have been Latvian contributors to the English Wiktionary for a while now). Personally, I don't have any specific preferences; I would simply list there all the words that don't have a pronunciation file that can be attached to their entries. I don't see why prioritize certain words. As for the dialects... Lithuanian intonations are often indicated in linguistics works and more specialized dictionaries, but I have thus far been unable to find a Latvian dictionary or grammar (except Endzelin's) that does give the exact intonation of each long syllable. I can hear the intonations in your pronunciation files (I think), so I could add a note (or an IPA transcription or something similar); but I have no reference work to check my transcriptions with... Which two of the three intonations (level, falling, broken -- the three 'tā's, tā 'that (fem.)' = level, tā 'of it, his' = falling, and tā 'so, like that' = broken) do you have? (I assume you speak the Western/middle dialect, so the first tā is different but the two other tā's sound the same?) In case you know of a dictionary that reliably gives this information, I'd be really thankful. --Pereru (talk) 00:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, out of curiosity... Listening to your pronunciation of words like 'ēzelis', it seems the final 'i' is not really pronounced: the word sounds like 'ēzels' to my ears, with a simple 'ls' like 'ābols'. Is that really so, or am I hearing it wrong? --Pereru (talk) 00:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Pereru, you don't seem to grasp what I am telling you - although there are no Latvian speakers contributing to Wiktionary, you could attract some people to simply record those files. As you go, you will probably add more words and more sound files and it won't be as easy to find which words lack pronounciation as it is now. People don't want to go looking trough dozens of articles for where their hep is needed, they want a concrete list of things that need to get done.
 * Oh, I grasp it fine, you're recommending that I do what I outlined above -- list words that don't have pronunciation files at the Requests for audio pronunciation page and then attract people to record them. I had thought that page was for prioritized pronunciations, but since I see I can indeed list all the 800 words without pronunciation files there, that is indeed what I'll do. And then I'll see who I can find at lv.wiki and lv.wikt. --Pereru (talk) 13:23, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The information on intonations online is extremely scarse. No good guidelines on pronouncing them or anything. I even have book on phonetics, which merely gives examples (there also are some rules, I suppose I could add them to Latvian language) on where which intonation in used, but not how to pronounce them. Also there is no thorough information on which sub-dialects have which intonations, so I have no way of telling how many intonations my dialect has. I think I hear three, but two of them are quite similar, so I might be deceiving myself. It is not always easy to spot such phonetic features when words are pronounced correctly, unless you have well trained ear (if you indeed are unsure you hear difference between two zāle files, where it is explict, then you ought to understand what I mean :) )
 * That is interesting. It means there still is work to be done on the description of Latvian. Great! So, for the time being, I won't add any transcriptions or indications of intonation -- just the pronunciation files. This seems safer. --Pereru (talk) 13:23, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I usually turn to Dictionary of Latvian standartised language, google LLVV, I think it indicates intonations where needed
 * I've been working with LLVV (and with its bigger brother, SV) for about a month now. Unfortunately, they don't describe the intonations. Apparently nobody has yet considered them worthy of dictionarization... This could actually be an original contribution of Wiktionary. --Pereru (talk) 13:23, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they do, but not for all words and with unortodox way of marking it (checked with zāle). I would figure they use it same as in printed form where it is used only where disambiguation is needed. Xil  (talk) 17:48, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * And I might have swallowed some endings or maybe noise removal silenced them too much. I tried not to upload those, don't remember having any issues with how ēzelis sounded though. Didn't want to end up overpronouncing them either Xil  (talk) 01:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * So added some material to Latvian language and also listened to that file - it clearly has -is, it is perhaps a bit more quiet as in ērglis, but it is there Xil  (talk) 02:28, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's just my ears, then. I'm not Latvian, and I have some difficulty hearing word-final vowels -- they sometimes sound very faint in actual speech. Thanks for listening and clarifying! --Pereru (talk) 13:23, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

More Latvian Pronunciation Files
Thanks for the extra files (letter V)! I'm going to spend some time this week assigning them to their proper Wiktionary pages. (Thanks in advance if you upload more such files; just a little note: the recommended format for the filename is Lv-xxx.ogg, with a hyphen, not an underscore. Or else one has to request filename changes at commons to make the filenames standard.)

I've followed your advice and added a number of words to Category:Requests for audio pronunciation (Latvian). Feel free to add them, if you will, or to continue in reverse alphabetical order, as you please. (I'll mention this category at lv.wiki and lv.wikt, to see if others are interested in recording files.) --Pereru (talk) 06:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually recorded most words I could find on wiktionary that day, would be matter of spiting the record up in clips, but my laptop crashed this morning so now it depends on if I can revive it and if files are intact. I don't see a big deal with it being hypen or underscore - it's the language code that matters Xil  (talk) 14:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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Accuracy of Latvian mythology
Hello, Xil! :)

I stumbled upon Latvian mythology because its accuracy was disputed and I noticed that you have been involved with the article in the past.

I see that you are semi-retired, but if you are interested in helping out, we would greatly value your input and opinion on Talk:Latvian_mythology.

The article as it is needs a lot of work: it has no sources for its content, it is factually disputed, and it is in sore need of an expert's attention. If you could help out at all, even in a small way, we would all be grateful for your improvements to the article and discussion. Thanks, Matt (talk) 22:53, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
For your interest in the article. I for one am a Brazilian expat living in Prague, and working on subjects related to your Country has made me dive into a fantastic story of noble families, the Livonian Order, the relation among countries around Latvia in a time when it was all conquest and supremacy. Would you care to fiil in the missing pieces of the puzzels in those lists (List of castles in Latvia - List of palaces and manor houses in Latvia) ? Krenakarore TK 15:11, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Aren't you confusing me with someone else? As far as I remember I made one minor edit today in one of the lists, but have done nothing else related recently. And currently I can't help you because I am working on different article and don't want to switch my focus. There are websites with lists of these, if you haven't yet come accross them - pilis.lv, ambermarks.com of those I remember (should be one more, but I can never find it when I need it) and maybe travel portal vietas.lv also could have some information Xil  (talk) 17:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

You see, still the main thing in Wikipedia is how people are addressed. I just came here to thank you, and as far as I'm concerned asking is no offense. Krenakarore TK 17:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, I did try to help you the best I can, instead of complaining you could ask other users who acctualy have contributed to the article Xil  (talk) 19:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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