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Thomson Line
Oh. Sorry about my decision to remove your edits. But as a Wikipedian, the neccesarity of giving references/sources for whatever you edit (not all but most of the time ...) is important to state that it is valid for everyone to agree on it. Although the construction of TSL maybe start by the end of 2013, not all will agree unless there are sources stating the given information. It could be considered as a speculation. Right now, there is no news by LTA or any authorities for it's construction dates. Once again, I apologise for the current edit conflicts. Sni56996 (talk) 10:43, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Newspapers can't be tursted as they are not an official organistation unlike the LTA, but only a company which publish news on a paper and online which rely on other sources which may or not be true. They also could speculate things. That's why it's states by 4th quarter of 2013 and not the exact date in 2013. Sni56996 (talk) 11:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh okay Thanks a lot for your words, it has made me think thrice before I decide if it's credible or not. But please do not block me from editing when you see me making substantial changes to it is that alright? Try to ask me why I made changes so as to avoid conflicts and misunderstanding. I hate it when I received warning despite putting in effort to give the best accuracy and precision informations I can in order to make the article more constructive. I will really appreciate it a lot if you can do so since I'm also a fan of Singapore's MRT. Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 13:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Not an administrator but a user with a lot of experience in editing. But at the same time, I appreciate of you trying to contribute. Sni56996 (talk) 12:44, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Can I have a small request from you? Is it ok if you can add me up on facebook so that we can discuss more on that? This is because both of us are students staying in the North who have a great interest in Singapore's public transport. If you can fulfill my wish it would really go a long way in helping me in familiarising with Wikipedia's editing just based on your experiences. I just registered as a member of Wikipedia back 3 weeks ago so I'm kinda quite new with this. You can really help me a lot if I can get to know you better. Strictly no harm on that. Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 13:12, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi==Singapore Indoor Stadium== Please stop making unacceptable changes to the Singapore Indoor Stadium article - Thank you - Arjayay (talk) 09:33, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) We do not change date formats once established and this article has used dmy dates since at least August 2011 at shown the top of the edit page
 * 2) We do not link years as WP:YEARLINK
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 * 4) IMHO the flags are also unnecessary - please obtain consensus for their inclusion on the talk page before re-adding

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April 2016
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 * Hi there, may I kindly know how does my edit consider to be disruptive? I am just making a very minor change by combining Singapore into a single cell as the country is a city-state. I find it unreasonably rude when I receive a warning that I may be blocked from editing when I am not doing anything wrong in the first place. Singapore is both a "country" and a "city" so it is therefore not necessary to repeat a city after a country of the same name. Other areas such as Kallang, Marina Bay, Marina Centre, Sentosa, Buona Vista, One-North or Clarke Quay are NOT consider as "city". Please kindly refer to the Wikipedia article on Bonamana for a reference of what I was referring to, thank you. - Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 05:25, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

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Rio 2016 Broadcasters
Hi Xinyang, all addition of broadcasters are based on the press release rather than your own knowledge, even your addition is true based on national broadcaster's promotion to the Games, however still you need a media press release, and so far i didn't get it (or even you). This is important because Wikipedia is place to maintain the contents is true rather than anon addition while it is not true. Also, we only maintain the rights listing is to the main company and not the network, for example if the rights are awarded to MediaCorp, than we only listing MediaCorp rather than Okto as Okto also manage by MediaCorp. --Aleen f 1 04:53, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Aleen, do you think that it will be a good idea to split the "Broadcaster" column into 2? One of it shall list the free-to-air broadcaster whereas the other column will list all the paid TV broadcasters. On the other hand, may I add any internet TV provider too? Thanks for your explainations by the way. :) Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 05:05, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


 * No, Wikipedia is not a electronic program guide, whether the rights holder are FTA or behind the pay wall it doesn't really matter at all, while some rights holder have the FTA and pay station, it is up to each rights holder how they going to distribute it. We will only maintain the basic only, which we will not list the network airing it.--Aleen f 1 05:51, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

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You are adding massive amounts of information without any sources. Please stop until you review Wikipedia's policies on verifiability and how to cite sources. Toohool (talk) 08:19, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The policy as I linked just above is verifiability. When another editor looks at your edits, how are they supposed to know if you made a mistake, or even if your information is completely made up? Yes, most articles in Wikipedia do not provide enough sources, and that is a big problem. When you add more unsourced material, you are adding to the problem. Citing another Wikipedia article is not acceptable; many Wikipedia articles contain errors, and copying from them without verifying their sources just propagates these errors. Toohool (talk) 00:28, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I see that you are still adding lots of unsourced material to articles. Did you have any questions about the verifiability policy or how to add citations? Continuing to add unsourced information may result in being blocked from editing Wikipedia. Toohool (talk) 05:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Please kindly refer to my edit on the Staples Center, Lanxess Arena, Events at the O2 Arena, Hallenstadion, Ziggo Dome, IMPACT Arena, Taipei Arena, LeSports Center and a list of Events at the Mercedes-Benz Arena if wish to know how I make my edits, I will greatly appreciate it that you do not revert those edits yet even if you choose to disagree with it for the time being. There needs to be further discussions on this before reaching for an agreement. As I am currently blocked, I am unable to leave my message on the other 2 editors (i.e. Magnolia677]] & [[Widr), so I hope you can help me inform them on on that as well as I wish to have a discussion with all 3 of you first before I decide on what to do next. Thanks a lot. Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 04:35, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at MGM Grand Garden Arena. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

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Please kindly refer to my edit on the Staples Center, Lanxess Arena, Events at the O2 Arena, Hallenstadion, Ziggo Dome & IMPACT Arena for a sample of how it is to be done, I will greatly appreciate it that you do not revert those edits yet even if you choose to disagree with it. There needs to be further discussions on this before reaching for an agreement. Thanks a lot. Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 04:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Is there something in particular that you don't understand about the verifiability policy? You need to cite a reliable source when you add or change information in an article. Almost none of your edits cited any source. We have tried to explain this to you but you kept editing without citing any sources. That is why you are currently blocked. Toohool (talk) 07:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Is it mandatory to cite the sources for every link that I have provided? I am really sorry if u had to be so impatient with me but how many citations do I have to give in order to be consider sufficient? I did provide citations for the Ziggo Dome and The Hydro if u have observed very carefully. Please forgive me on my stupidity but I hope u get my point here. Yes I am aware about Verifiability by now & I hope u will appreciate my effort though........ Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 07:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

May I edit my own Wikipedia page instead without citations? Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk)
 * It is not about how many citations you give, it's about whether the citations verify the information. If you add 20 concerts to an article with a single citation that verifies all 20 of them, then that's ok. But if you add 20 concerts with a single source that only describes one of the concerts, then that's no good, because it doesn't help readers to verify that the other 19 are correct. I'm not sure what you mean about editing your own Wikipedia page... you can use your userpage to work on material that you are getting ready for a real article, but it's not a place to permanently keep information that doesn't meet Wikipedia's guidelines. Toohool (talk) 08:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

I wish to create a table with a list of notable concerts by international artists in Singapore, do I have to provide any citations for that? Do bear in mind that my profile page isn't an article.

I always restructure lengthy descriptions into a single table when it gets too wordy. Do I have to provide the citations for every single concert that I add to the table? Just look at my edit on the Staples Center, not all of the concerts that I add are verifiable but what's your feedback on it? There were other users that assisted me with the edit shortly after I created the table.

I have also made significant edits to the Singapore Indoor Stadium and the Vector Arena, really hope to hear from u about your views on that. I wish I can take a screenshot and show it to u here but I don't think that's possible at all. May I use the citations given in the table for tour dates (e.g. 1989 World Tour) & add it to the relevant articles that I wish to edit?

Anyway, I find the guidelines on Wikipedia very strict and demanding, I can be blocked even if I didn't spam or vandalise a page. Didn't think that adding unverified information can lead to such a disastrous consequences. What should I do next? What advice do u have for me if in can't find a citation? I feel the urge to add more concerts into the tables without being challenged by the other users at all. It honestly sucks to bear the consequences despite me trying my best to contribute to the Wikipedia community. 😢😭 Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 09:26, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Editors are not allowed to use their user pages or sub-pages for storing miscellaneous content (see WP:NOTWEBHOST). As mentioned previously, one may use sub-pages for article development but not for an indefinite period.  Tide  rolls  11:44, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking about those articles (Staples Center, Singapore Indoor Stadium, Vector Arena). You've added lots of information to the articles with almost no citations to verify any of it. That's no good. If you find a citation in another article and are able to read the cited source and verify the information, then you can certainly copy that citation. I don't think the guidelines are too strict, they are common sense... if editors don't cite their sources, then how will any readers or other editors know that what's written is correct? I know it can be frustrating when you can't find a source for some information that you "know" is true, but sometimes it's best to give up on that particular information and move on to something else where you can find sources. As for getting blocked, you didn't get blocked because you added unsourced information, you got blocked because you kept doing it after people explained what you were doing wrong. Nobody expects a new editor to know and follow all the rules perfectly, but we do expect you to listen and discuss, because Wikipedia is a collaborative project. Toohool (talk) 18:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Do u think that tour dates published on the official website of the touring artists is the best source of verifiability? In case if I can't find it at all, may I use official post updates on the social media instead? They are usually updated by the touring artist themselves or the management of the touring artist, thus increasing the credibility of the sources? Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 03:28, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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Entertainment events at Perth Arena
Hi Xinyang Aliciabritney. Hope all is OK. I was just checking out Entertainment events at Perth Arena and realised that you added content to it. Usually for list articles like these, we only add notable events because Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. A general guideline to follow is to add events for which Wikipedia articles exists. Other stuff (such as "August 11 - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis -The Unruly Mess I've Made Tour" should not be included). As for your query about how to ping users, see the instructions at Reply to for how to. It is also helpful to keep discussions at one place - if we start a discussion here, it is best to reply here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:18, 8 November 2016 (UTC) I also wanted to ask, do you mind if I set up a bot on your page to automatically archive your talk page? It is much better to archive rather than delete. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:19, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi there, yes I will give you the permission to do that. Did you notice that I have already provided the references to the information that I have added? You used to tell me that my edits are done in good faith and I can feel free to add any new events as long as I can provide any reliable sources to support the information that I have added. If you still choose not to believe in me, please click onto the link that I have given and it should sufficiently verify the edits that I have made to be genuinely true and authentic. This explains why I have created a separate article page to list out all the events as ONLY the most notable events are listed on the main page (i.e. Perth Arena). The reason why I kept removing messages on my talk page is that I may may set the record for having the longest-unending talk page on Wikipedia since I receive new messages too frequently compared to others. I love to keep it neat and clean in the first place. Please do not revert or undo any of my edits since WP:LIST =/= WP:LINKFARM =/= WP:NOTDIRECTORY =/= WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 06:27, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will add the bot. I will set it to archive anything older than 7 days maybe? As for the comments about your editing, I think you have definitely improved. For example, I now see that you add references and I want to thank you for that. This was the first step - all information added has to be sourced. Now the second step is to choose what information to be added. In this case, we usually only add entries for notable tours (that is ones for which Wikipedia pages exist for the tours itself). And relax, I am not trying to undo your changes or anything. This is just a discussion. I am happy that you have started to add sources and I thought to tell you about the next step which is about how to decide what to add. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:59, 8 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I often gets anxious panick whenever I received new notifications. I was surprised when you sent me a thank you note because I have never seen that on my Wikipedia account before. 😂😁👍 What kind of information are consider more notable? For example, I have added Disney On Ice and Green Day to the list recently because they are more notable to me compared to lesser known acts such as Jose Carreras and Human Nature in my opinion. Pages such as Entertainment events at the SM Mall of Asia, Forum Copenhagen and Events at the 3Arena are some of the pages that I have gotten my inspiration from for my edits. If you take a look at the page on 3Arena, you will notice that only some of the most notable events are included but the separate sub-article page on Events at the 3Arena included almost all the events that were being held there at the venue. Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 18:25, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Entertainment events at Perth Arena
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List of entertainment events held at the Bell Centre
Hi! I see you worked on List of entertainment events held at the Bell Centre for about six months in your sandbox, but decided to publish it before citing all the information. You even decided to add the "more citations needed" template to the top of the article yourself right away after publishing. Why not finish citing the information in your sandbox and then publish the article?

I think the fact that you decided to publish this article and then add this template shows you have no intention of citing all the information... something you have been known to do in the past, over and over again.

It would be great if you could voluntarily delete your article and work on it in your sandbox until you have cited all the data in it. Then publish it. I think this has been suggested to you before.

Ivancurtisivancurtis (talk) 01:16, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, I think I will continue to work on my draft for the time being; don't delete the article just yet as I will eventually be updating the page soon. I will try my best to attach those references on it (since it's not that complete); but shall I not be able to find any citations for it, I will eventually remove it in due time. However, if you think that I need to urgently delete it then please let me know how I can go about deleting it. Thanks for your advice.  Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 07:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I haven't make anymore edits to the page as I have already moved them all back into my sandbox for drafting. You may wish to delete the page for the time being as I will create the page once again as soon as I have done with sorting out all of my references. Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 10:28, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Three questions:


 * 1) Why would you publish the article before citing all the information? Especially when you know you are supposed to and had been working on the article for six months in your sandbox? What made you decide to publish now, despite creating a draft with loads of information that has no citations?


 * 2) What do you mean by "moved them all back into my sandbox for drafting"?


 * 3) You've been asked so many times to cite data in your articles over the years. Yet you again made the choice to publish before you had the citations done, despite creating a draft in your sandbox. And you aren't even sure if you have adequate citations > "shall I not be able to find any citations for it, I will eventually remove it in due time." I'm genuinely just curious about what motivates you to do this. Like why do you do this stuff on Wikipedia?


 * Ivancurtisivancurtis (talk) 01:31, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


 * To answer your questions;

1. I originally intended to create the article only after I have completed with my sandbox draft, I was desperate to upload it as soon as possible as I'm afraid that some other editors will upload the article even before I could finish my draft. This will certainly be a bad news for me because I have already spent the past 6 months working on it. In fact I took quite some times off from Wikipedia as I have other personal issues to do at the meantime. It would be meaningless for me to continue working on the article if another editor suddenly creates an article that I had been working on for a very long time. Which is why I decided to "suddenly" create the page and add new references from there.

2. It just means that I didn't make any further edits to the article that I created, I copied all those new references that I have added on the page into my sandbox draft so that I can continue to add more citations to my incomplete work after what you have suggested to me above.

3. Newer events are easy to be sourced with references (in fact I can find as many as 5 -6 links just for a single event, a.k.a. citation overkilled) whereas older events can be more difficult to source with reliable references; especially those events that happened during the pre-interet era. As much as I agree that verifiablity is important in Wikipedia, this rule gives newer events more advantage because of the popularity of digital online articles whereas older events DO NOT have the advantage of online publishing when internet wasn't even popular back then. That is why it's not that I'm stubborn or I refuse to follow the verifiability rules, but I feel bad having to remove those so-called "unsource events" due to this reason.

I hope I have addressed your questions, cheers. :) Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 15:26, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Yep, thanks. Ivancurtisivancurtis (talk) 00:26, 13 April 2018 (UTC)