User talk:Xn4/Archive 7

Adam Raphael

 * Thanks for letting me know, BorgQueen. Xn4  10:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Mark Hanbury Beaufoy

 * Thanks again, BorgQueen! Xn4  13:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * Many thanks, PeterSymonds. Pleased to see the picture could be used. Xn4  ( talk ) 20:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Move of St. Bees School
The standard British usage may be without the full stop, however the school uses and always has used the full stop. Unless you have a better authority than a Wikipedia guideline I am going to move it back. Regards, Harlsbottom (talk | library) 18:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe St Bees itself follows the Church of England in using no full stop. But if the school spells itself in a different way... Xn4  ( talk ) 18:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's been a while since I've been to St. Bees, and can't remember what the signs say - just because the Wikipedia article did doesn't mean that it does drop the full stop. If anything the main board sign at the station reads ST B EES (albeit an old sign).  Anyway, thanks for the swift response, I think I will revert back to the norm on the school articles.  --Harlsbottom (talk | library) 18:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ghulab A. Khan
Congratulations on spotting this hoax - I've done a bit more research and taken it to AfD here. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (Bows). Xn4  ( talk ) 21:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

My great grandfather!
Hi there, I have been looking into my family history, and I noticed you'd edited a page about my Great Grandfather, George Leighton Seager:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leighton_Seager%2C_1st_Baron_Leighton_of_St_Mellons.

I was wondering what you'd edited, and how you discovered the history of my family? I'm looking to build a family tree so any info you have would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

Holly Hollyanna85 (talk) 09:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Holly. Looks as if my only edit to your great grand-dad was to add him to the category of Old Queenians (not to worry, it just means he went to Queen's College, Taunton). Most of that page doesn't seem to be from the sources listed there... perhaps some of it's from Who's Who? I'll look him up. Your great-great-grandfather William Henry Seager sounds like an interesting character. Greetings, Xn4  ( talk ) 15:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Francis Fox Tuckett
Hi Xn4, midway through this article and I was just wondering whether any of your rich sources might shed light on quite what his being 'a gentleman farmer' entailed. Or indeed on anything else (education etc). Thanks. Ericoides (talk) 19:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Ericoides. I've done a little with your new article, and it's inspired me to create Cimon della Pala, which you may be able to improve.
 * The first 'gentlemen farmers' were essentially landowners who farmed some or all of their own land, at a time when farming was a trade, a business, and a gentleman was a man who could live well (employ servants, keep a horse, live in a good house, etc.) without the need to work... even if he did choose to work. Farmers went to market to buy and sell, and a gentleman farmer did, too, but he was socially distinct. Presumably Tuckett was a farmer who fell into that bracket, working land at Frenchay? Xn4  ( talk ) 01:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for your help. Some sources say he was a businessman, and this would tally with his daily walks to and from Bristol, something for which one imagines a farmer would not have time. However, given what you say about gentlemen farmers, perhaps these walks don't raise this problem. A very nice article on Cimon della Pala, incidentally. Ericoides (talk) 07:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Cimon della Pala

 * Many thanks for updating me, BorgQueen. I think the coat of arms works well as a thumb for the main page! Xn4  ( talk ) 22:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment
I was wondering whether you wanted nominating for adminship. If so, you can contact me on my talk page. Regards, Rudget   ( logs ) 16:10, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's very flattering, Rudget, thanks! I'll bear your kind offer in mind in case the ambition comes my way. Xn4  ( talk ) 16:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's fine. :) Rudget   ( logs ) 08:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Robin Hood
The following inquiry is embedded into the article on Jessie Bartlett Davis: "If this is the George Macfarren opera, perhaps link to Robin Hood in popular culture."

CLARIFICATION: "Oh Promise Me" is in Robin Hood by Reginald De Koven and Clement Scott. See also http://www.parlorsongs.com/issues/2002-1/thismonth/featurea.php. Richard David Ramsey 04:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've updated Jessie Bartlett Davis and added the citation. regards, Xn4  ( talk ) 04:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Irving
Hi Xn4, just started this article, any help much appreciated, as ever. Ericoides (talk) 17:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good work. Thanks. Ericoides (talk) 22:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No trouble. I'm done for tonight. Xn4  ( talk ) 22:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Would there be any life and family details on William Penhall? I can't seem to find much online. Thanks. Ericoides (talk) 22:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll take a look. Xn4  ( talk ) 22:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be noyce if the DNB or similar had anything on him? Thanks. Ericoides 23:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've replied here. Xn4  ( talk ) 03:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding those latest details. Ericoides (talk) 08:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Martin Rota

 * Many thanks, BorgQueen! Xn4  ( talk ) 23:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Consistency
When you nominate an article, please remember "(pictured)" should be "(pictured)". --BorgQueen (talk) 21:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (He blushes.) Xn4  ( talk ) 21:58, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Dimples will look cute if you have, especially when you blush. :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 15:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * He falls off chair. Xn4  ( talk ) 15:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Pierre Lorillard II
Your input would be appreciated at Talk:Pierre Lorillard II on the term millionaire. Thanks. --Doug talk 15:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, I've added my thoughts, which are that the word millionaire evidently came in from French in about the 1820s. Xn4  ( talk ) 16:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input, it was appreciated. Submitted alternate hooks for consideration. I conceded.--Doug talk 20:21, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No trouble! Sorry I couldn't help you, but magna est veritas et praevalebit. Xn4  ( talk ) 20:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

July 21 DYK

 * Many thanks, Bedford! Xn4  ( talk ) 23:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thurning DYK

 * Thanks for letting me know, PeterSymonds! Xn4  ( talk ) 20:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Mamhead DYK

 * Again, many thanks for letting me know, PeterSymonds. Picture looks good. Xn4  ( talk ) 15:09, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

William Plenderleath DYK

 * And thanks again! Xn4  ( talk ) 02:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Olive Willis DYK

 * Thanks again, PeterSymonds! You seem busy at the moment. Xn4  ( talk ) 09:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Pierre Abraham Lorillard DYK

 * Thanks, Peter! Xn4  ( talk ) 20:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

William Goodenough Hayter DYK

 * Great Scott, that must be some kind of record! I only nominated it at 01:55, about an hour and a half ago! Xn4  ( talk ) 03:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That was lucky. :D I'd just about run out of eligible hooks for the 21st, so I moved onto the 22nd for a few. Great article! PeterSymonds (talk)  03:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! (...still working on it). Xn4  ( talk ) 03:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Image of Ivy Gordon-Lennox
I ended up featuring this in the top slot, but not before I had to screw around for fifteen minutes looking for a valid copyright tag for it. Could you please be a bit more careful to ensure that pics you nominate for DYK have valid tags next time? It might save the DYK folks unnecessary hassles. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 06:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. I'm sorry, Gatoclass, I'm struggling with the above. I see I included the tag when I uploaded the image to Commons. If that isn't valid, can you suggest a better one, please? Regards,  Xn4  ( talk ) 14:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * Many thanks for updating me. Xn4  ( talk ) 14:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Honor
Thanks, thats good to know I just thought it was a typo. I will watch out for those.--Kumioko (talk) 15:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Master of Arts, disambiguation
Thank for your feedback, I see the point you are making. I will share what I was doing, but will admit that this was actually my first time working on a disambiguation project so my logic may have been flawed (at which point I will do what needs to be done to resolve - I want to do the right thing).

For Master of Arts where it was evident from the given university that it fell into one of the three categories (Master of Arts (postgraduate), Master of Arts (Oxford, Cambridge and Dublin), Master of Arts (Scotland)), I of course made the appropriate selection. In the cases where as you point out there was no way to determine for certain the origin of the degree, I did use the Master of Arts (postgraduate) disambiguation as the default, because that article appeared to me to be written as a default start point. It discusses in the intro that the degrees are different in different parts of the world, and specifically identifies that the Oxford, Cambridge and Dublin and Scotland degrees as different. So my thinking was that that was more useful for someone clicking on the link to get more info, than the disambiguation page where they will have to guess as to which might apply to what they're reading.

By using the term positive choice in your feedback, I am assuming you have more experience with these matters than I do. Please advise if you don't think this makes sense or is counter to a standard. Thanks. Keithh (talk) 01:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't agree that the Master of Arts (postgraduate) page is either a "disambiguation" page or "the default... written as a default start point." It isn't the default. For instance, if an MA may, for all we know, be a Scottish MA, then "postgraduate" plainly excludes it. Frankly, I find your edit summary of "ambiguity corrected" both self-important and mistaken, where the lowest common denominator is needed, and that is Master of Arts. Xn4  ( talk ) 01:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * Many thanks, Wafulz! Xn4  ( talk ) 15:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks again, Daniel! Xn4  ( talk ) 10:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

50 DYK Medal

 * Thank you very much, JayHenry! Xn4  ( talk ) 20:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * p.s. I love the way you have the hooks displayed on the user page. Cool idea!  If my hooks ever had pictures I'd do that, but it doesn't work quite as well without any pictures... --JayHenry (talk) 20:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll let you into a secret... First, catch your hare. Xn4  ( talk ) 20:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * Many thanks, Gatoclass! Xn4  ( talk ) 14:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: 2nd Marquess of Dorset
Hi! I removed a space between the header (==Family==) and the paragraph itself. That's why the change is shown this way. I also repaired a link to a disambiguation page (George Neville). Fratrep (talk) 13:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. I see Boleyn has moved George Neville to George Neville, archbishop of York. Xn4  ( talk ) 13:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * Thanks for letting me know, Gatoclass. Xn4  ( talk ) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Dividing concepts
"redlink to San Michele di Murano, for consistency" - your edit summary at Pietro Delfino. I thought I'd air this issue with you, since I disapprove of splitting concepts without a good reason. If "monastery of X" is divided as "monastery of X", that may seem OK, but would you really divide "X Abbey" as "X Abbey"? On the whole, dividing within redlinks should be a sign that there is no need of an article, I think. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The consistency I had in mind was with two other redlinks to the same monastery, viz. in our articles on Giacinto Placido Zurla and Nicola Giacomo Mittarelli. I agree that an article is justified, and no, I wouldn't divide "X Abbey" as "X Abbey, but San Michele di Murano could only be the monastery: the place where the monastery was is Murano. I'm not sure that Monastery of San Michele at Murano is the most likely title of an article on this, but perhaps it's a bit academic, until someone starts one, and there isn't even one on the Italian Wikipedia yet. Regards, Xn4  ( talk ) 15:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Robert Gittings
Hello. I saw your article on Robert Gittings. Just to point out that your link to George Mallaby seems to go to the wrong person! Chris (talk) 20:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks, my mistake, I'll sort it out. Xn4  ( talk ) 20:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've started George Mallaby (public servant) and taken the link there. Xn4  ( talk ) 05:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Mount Garmo
I've tweaked your hook to make it more interesting. Please visit here and see if it is okay. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Up to you... maybe "...the higher peak..."? Xn4  ( talk ) 15:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Schools in Cheshire
Hi, since you're the editor who started the Template:Schools in Cheshire I thought I should let you know that I've removed one of the schools listed there. Stockport Grammar is in Greater Manchester. I don't know if there are any others there that shouldn't be in the template. Nev1 (talk) 18:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No doubt you're right, in terms of local government reform. Most people in Stockport seem to be happy that the outside world continues to write to them in "Stockport, Cheshire", and of course the school is correctly in the category Ancient grammar schools of Cheshire... Xn4  ( talk ) 05:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Mount Garmo

 * Many thanks, BorgQueen, that's turned out well. Xn4  ( talk ) 19:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

and another one....

 * Many thanks, Casliber! Don't think I've ever had two in the same update before. Xn4  ( talk ) 19:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * Please change the statement on the main page, which is quite untrue. Two anonymous users changed "not" to "now" [it did and should read "it is NOT believed to be near the threshold for inclusion in the IUCN Red List (viz., the population is NOT thought to be fewer than ten thousand"], and the opposite ('now' instead of 'not') has been turned into a new last-minute hook. Xn4  ( talk ) 15:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed. That was my mistake I'm afraid, I had to come up with a new hook because without the picture the proposed hook made no sense, but it seems I misread the source. Gatoclass (talk) 15:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes, I see the changes of "not" to "now" happened after "now" was live on the main page. But really, even with "now" corrected to "not", what's there isn't much good. "not less than 10,000 mature individuals" could be 100,000 individuals. We just don't know, because (as the article says) the population hasn't been quantified. Xn4  ( talk ) 15:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well if you can suggest a quick alternative, I will replace it. However, you will have to be quick because I'm about to hit the sack. Otherwise, you will have to leave a note at mainpage errors or contact another active admin. Gatoclass (talk) 15:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ...that the Short-tailed Emerald's natural habitats are moist lowland forests and montanes and heavily degraded former forests in Colombia, Peru, and Venezuela? 16:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't help thinking the fact that it is a hummingbird should be mentioned. How about "...that the natural habitat of the Short-tailed Emerald, a South American hummingbird, are moist lowland forests and montanes and heavily degraded former forests? Gatoclass (talk) 16:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Since you didn't get back to reply, I've gone with your hook. Gatoclass (talk) 16:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Anything at all on those lines is a big improvement. Xn4  ( talk ) 16:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You wrote at 15:58 "Well if you can suggest a quick alternative, I will replace it. However, you will have to be quick because I'm about to hit the sack." However, I see you went on editing until 17:42. Xn4  ( talk ) 19:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Long Close School
Hi there, thanks for the message. I didnt mean to act hastily. As you say in the wikipedia guidelines under Indicators of probable notability: "In general... senior secondary schools are considered notable. 'Senior secondary schools' exclude middle schools and schools that do not educate to at least grade 9/age 15". Long Close School now educates children to age 16. It is the only independent school in the Slough Unitary authority to offer secondary education to age 16. I admit the article needs to be expanded which is why it is marked as a Stub, but i thought that these facts alone meant that the school can be deemed notable? Sorry again if ive done wrong but triwbe did state that i was free to edit the deletion tag o the article, but maybe my reasons on the edit were not clear enough? Bleaney (talk) 23:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, dear. As I said on your Talk page, Notability (schools) is now marked as a "failed proposal". It is not "the wikipedia guidelines", and the policy to look at is Notability. Even if Notability (schools) hadn't failed, I'm afraid you're quoting it selectively! Even the draft of it went on "...These schools are considered notable by virtue of such factors as notable alumni, community importance, notable athletic and scholastic successes. The amount of information from reliable secondary sources customarily available for such schools — based on news coverage of sports and academic awards, relative size, and importance to the community and region — are [sic] usually sufficient for verifiability." Notice "usually". So it would be appreciated if you could try to establish some notability in this article - and, indeed, in others you've started. Regards, Xn4  ( talk ) 00:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * Many thanks for updating me, RyRy! Xn4  ( talk ) 04:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. If you ever need help with DYK, be my guest. :-) -- RyRy  ( talk ) 05:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks! Xn4  ( talk ) 09:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Wardens of New College
This archive source might interest you... Regards, BencherliteTalk 21:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's very useful. I know where I can find hard copies, at a pinch, but it's altogether better to have it there online. Xn4  ( talk ) 21:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've just found 1715-1886 here - do you know of any more? Xn4  ( talk ) 21:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That archive site has lots of books on Oxford, but not Al.Ox, boo hiss. I haven't found an online source, but have copies in my work library (if you need a reference, I'll see what I can do); the source you link above is a Dyfed-based-only extract, but it might help occasionally with my Jesus College work, thanks!  BencherliteTalk 22:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Rugby suffix

 * See User_talk:Jeff79. --Jeff79 (talk) 03:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That discussion is now at Talk:Paul Moriarty (rugby). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * They're trying it again here.--Jeff79 (talk) 10:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Your edits to British India
I've moved this discussion to Talk:British India - please add anything new there. Xn4 ( talk ) 15:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry mate. I dont think I can help you much there. There have been many discussions on the subject. And everytime we just end up in a vicious circle where same points are just repeated again and again. I will go through the discussions(when I will get time) and contribute there only if I have something new to say.:)--nids(&#9794;) 10:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Doug Stone
Regarding your comment in the pagemove request, I agree with your logic, but so far I've been unable to find any other Doug Stones that merit pages; if there were, they'd probably have been added to the dab already. We already have Douglas for other Dougs, and Stone (surname) for other Stones. It really doesn't look likely that there'll be a third Doug Stone who'll deserve a page, so I don't se a need for Doug Stone to be a dab since there are only two, and one seems more notable than the other. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 23:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

dyk

 * Many thanks, Victuallers! Xn4  ( talk ) 09:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * Many thanks, Casliber! Xn4  ( talk ) 09:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Masood Aslam
hi i wanted to know how you know mr. masood aslam?202.83.172.71 (talk) 11:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know Masood Aslam, my interest in him is as an Abdalian. Xn4  ( talk ) 11:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Well done

 * Many thanks, Victuallers! Xn4  ( talk ) 20:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Clio
Hi Xn4, I hope you don't mind me leaving you a message like this... I always used to enjoy reading Clio's posts on the Humanities Reference Desk - she could write a few paragraphs on some completely obscure aspect of European history in response to somebody's question and the way she wrote was quite incredible. Anyway, a couple of months ago they took away our internet priveleges at work and then I went to to Australia for a couple of weeks - over this time I was not able to access WP:RD like I always used to at work. When I came back from Australia and checked WP:RD/H I was surprised not to be able to find a single answer by Clio. I have checked her Talk Page but can't work out exactly the reason she has left. It seems such a shame to not have us with us anymore, I just wanted to know what happened. I saw a few posts by you on her Talk Page so thought you might know. Thanks for your time, JoeTalkWork 18:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I happened by this page and noticed your note. ("Clio" in an edit summary will catch many eyes.) Clio has gone back to Real Life full time; there was no drama about her leaving. There were suggestions floating about that, after she marries this fall, she has her thesis to turn into a book and then plans to enter conservative politics.  (You may find exactly what she wrote at the time in her archives, in User:Rockpocket's archives, or by checking her contributons in her last 10 or so entries. She did say she might drop in from time to time, but if she has, I haven't seen any evidence of it. She used to be my late-night reading and I miss her comments sorely, too. If Xn4 knows more, he/she will likely add to this. ៛ Bielle (talk) 19:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * All I can add here is that Clio really has taken on a very busy political life. I've archived her Talk page up to the day before the final chapter and I shan't be archiving any more. If you read from wotcha 2 to the end, you'll get the picture. I share your sadness, but I also think there's a good chance Clio will be back one day. I'll bet she still looks at her Talk page from time to time, so it can only help if you decide to add to the 'come back soon' messages there. Regards, Xn4  ( talk ) 09:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, both of you, for your replies. I'm glad that the future is looking bright for her and hope we might still be lucky enough to see her around here from time to time. Xn4, I'll look over her talk archive and I must remember to leave her that note. :) --JoeTalkWork 03:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Martin Rota
hi, could you take a look here Talk:Martin Rota? Thanks alot. Gryffindor 14:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note, Gryffindor, I've replied there. Xn4  ( talk ) 21:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Your help finding sources on medieval English social history
Hello, Xn4! I'm sorry to say that I haven't seen much of you at the Reference Desk lately. (Could it be because, like me, you have seen a decline in the quality of the questions over the summer?) Anyway, on the Humanities Desk, I have asked for help finding sources on the social and economic history of England in the high middle ages. I would be very grateful for any help that you could offer, either here or at the Humanities Desk. Thank you! Marco polo (talk) 13:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice
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Iole
Your input would be appreciated on this article. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell talk 19:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC) The article was nominated for GA. There was a review and I have done several improvements to the article based on the suggestions. Perhaps you have some additional ideas. --Doug Coldwell talk 20:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)