User talk:Xn4/Archive 8

Iole
Your input would be appreciated on this article. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell talk 19:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC) The article was nominated for GA. There was a review and I have done several improvements to the article based on the suggestions. Perhaps you have some additional ideas. --Doug Coldwell talk 20:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Iole is up for a second review as a GA. It is currently on hold for 7 days for the issues mentioned. I have tried to address the issues and copyedited accordingly. If you have time, could you look it over to see if you can make additional improvements. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell talk 19:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks/British India
Thanks for correcting the misplaced DYK tag!

Please also reply to Philip Baird Shearer's latest post (21:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)) on the Talk:British Raj page. Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  12:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

British Raj/British India
Hello Xn4, I noticed you have been editing and have had quite a lot of debate on British India and British Raj. I have not really taken part in that. You will have noticed that Fowler has a long and credible history in WP:India, even though he allowes his emotions to seep through a lot of times. I wanted to say, first of all qudos for keeping your cool, and secondly, without asking you to take it lying down, if you can please do allow for some leeway. Nonetheless, although I am not sure what the arguments either of you are basing your work on, allow me to say keep up the good work. rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 22:18, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, also well done on keeping your cool, and I've reverted British India to the article you were working on. While I agree the article is justified, please see my comments about the need for more well-sourced material there. Clearly, the editors at British Raj fear it will merely duplicate their own work, and I think they would be glad to see it standing more on its own two feet. Strawless (talk) 15:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Response by user Valentine Stockdale
Hi there,

Thanks for your message. I should confirm firstly that I am Valentine Stockdale.

I have read the page you suggested outlining conflicts of interest but am unsure as to whether there is a conflict here.

Please let me know what you would like to do.

I hope very much however that you decide to keep the page.

ValentineStockdale (talk) 12:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, Valentine, I wanted to draw your attention to Autobiography. The question of whether to keep Valentine Stockdale is a matter for WP:Notability, and I don't see a problem with it myself, but if I were you I should let other editors improve the article in mainspace, and your user page might be better not mirroring that.
 * I'm still puzzled by "...the grandson of Sir Edmund Villiers Minshull Stockdale, 1st Battalion", which I've corrected at Valentine Stockdale (but not at User:ValentineStockdale) to "...1st Baronet". It seemed to me that if the writer didn't know what "1st Bt" stood for after a name, it looked very like someone trying to write what seemed to be an autobiography, but actually wasn't, if you see what I mean. Xn4  ( talk ) 21:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for your message. I have removed the content of my user page as you suggested. I have also read the autobiography article and fully understand it. I'm pretty sure the article conforms appropriately with the autobiography guidelines as all the information contained in it is accurate and verifiable, and the article contains none of the potentially unbalanced content outlined in the guidelines such as aspirations, opinions and so forth. I would be very happy to submit the document to the department you suggested for editing but am unsure about how to go about it. Lastly Battalion-Baronet was my mistake and thank you for setting the record straight! All the best, Valentine.

ValentineStockdale (talk) 12:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Ted Peate
Thanks for your recent edits to the article on the man whom Frederick Spofforth, Billy Murdoch and I regard as the greatest left-arm spinner of all-time. At any rate, he deserves far more attention than history has accorded. How, may I ask, did you come to take an interest in him? Best, Crusoe (talk) 22:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Crusoe. Oh, that's easy to answer. I started an article on The Sporting Times and worked up a section of it on the 1882 reports of the death of English cricket. After linking Peate in "ITS END WAS PEATE", I thought a little more at Ted Peate was justified. Regards, Xn4  ( talk ) 22:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

British Raj
I really don't know how to help you for British India. Fowler and Fowler seems to have no other useful work other than typing massive one-sided arguments for Wikipedia. I was appallingly shocked by the length of his arguments. I think it was very wrong of him to create dob page for British India and redirect contents to somewhere else, without seeking scholarly opinion or majority opinion. I strongly believe his deletions and edits should be reverted. But as I am in traineeship now, I have very little time for WP. Cygnus_hansa (talk) 15:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You are taking my comment out of context. I do not think that User:Fowler&fowler is threatening anyone, as we need to resolve this issue, when he suggests going to formal Wikipedia mediation. A valid reason for not wanting to use the formal Wikipedia mediation is that it is time consuming.


 * The best way to win an argument on Wikipedia is to present one that fulfils the requirements of the three content policies (WP:NOR WP:NPOV WP:V. To date IMHO you have not produced sources that back up your assertion that British India is sufficiently different from British Raj to justify another article. As there have been three Requested moves that rejected the move of British Raj to British India, I think it is up to you to justify a move away from the status quo. To date you have gingered up the debate so that the majority of editors do not think that British India is a synonym for British Raj, but that it is also used in some reliable sources to mean company rule (hence the argument for a disambiguation page). For example you made the statement "That's quite a complicated edit, which I stand by. Calcutta became the capital of British India and also of the Indian Empire." what are your sources that clearly differentiate between British India and the Indian Empire? It has clearly been shown by F&f using sources that the term can mean rule by the British in India, the territory and the British (lifestyle) in India. If you think that the predominant use of the term "British India" means territory under direct British rule, then why not suggest that the article Provinces of India be moved to British India?


 * You do not need to answer these questions directly, but they are meant to be an indicator of the sort of arguments you need to present in the RfC if you are going to persuade people who follow RfC debates and probably until they read the debate do not know that there were regions in India that were never under direct British rule, that a separate article on British India should exist.


 * From the statements that F&f has made it is clear the (s)he is frustrated by your predilection to make bold edits even after (s)he made it clear that (s)he wished to discuss them with you and others. That you made bold edits rather than discussing them and gaining consensus on the talk pages first was understandable before  a comment was placed on the talk page, but from the moment F&f placed this comment on the  talk page of the British Raj article at 18:11 on 19 August 2008, you should have discussed the changes on the talk pages that involved his/her concerns and gain a consensus before making them. This is described in WP:CONSENSUS and because you have not been following the spirit of this policy with edits such as that you made to the Delhi article on 25 August 2008. For this reason I am willing to give F&f the some slack in the way (s)he presents his arguments but if in my judgement (s)he stray too far into a breach of WP:CIVIL I will reprimand F&f because we are meant to be working towards a consensus which is made more difficult if the parties to discussion feel intimidated or that the other is editing articles in bad faith. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 10:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

The Huntarian Society
Hi there. I have looked at the article and I can't for the life of me remember the page, but you're right, it isn't a copyright violation. It may have been at the time it was deleted, but it isn't now, so I'll restore it right away. Sorry for any misunderstanding, and for not replying to your original message. I've been offline since Thursday, with only a few sporadic edits here and there and I didn't see it. Again, my apologies. Happy editing, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please be aware though that User:CorenSearchBot may tag it again because there are a few similarities to http://www.hunteriansociety.org.uk Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

King's School, Ely
Hi there,

The page King's School, Ely has been up for Good article nomination for a while. You are welcome to take a look, recommend or make any changes, or review the nomination. Many thanks! rocketman89 (talk) 17:38, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

TGB
Where have you disappeared to? I'm struggling with some details on Thomas Graham Brown and your help would be – as ever – invaluable ... Regards, Ericoides (talk) 10:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to be so absent, Ericoides, but I'm travelling in France with only limited internet access. However, I should be back at my desk by mid-November. regards, Xn4  ( talk ) 13:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah. Well, I trust you are having a rewarding tour. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 17:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Lord Williams de Thame.jpg
Did you take this photo yourself or did it come from another website?Geni 04:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Alumni Oxon
Further to our previous discussion, see here for the 1500-1714 version. Hooray! (Well, partial hooray: vol 4 only, S-Z...) BencherliteTalk 15:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Nichalp's comments
Would you like to comment here? Thanks. Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  16:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Alumni/ pupils
Problems with rather surreptitiously emptying Category:Alumni of Wath Comprehensive School and moving its contents to Category:Former pupils of Wath Comprehensive School are (a) it looks like you are bypassing cfd; (b) secondary school pupils are called students these days; (c) nearly all the non-UK categories use alumni, as do all the UK university cats. (A major problem with using cfd is that the cat would probably be deleted rather than renamed.) Occuli (talk) 02:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Not exactly surreptitious, Occuli! But thanks for your message. You may be right that 'pupils' is old-fashioned, but these UK school categories face repeated (and unsuccessful) efforts from outside the UK to impose the word alumni on them, which is hardly used at all by UK schools, although it is now used by UK universities. We need to find some consistency, and most of the recent new cats which are not on the Old Erewhonians principle have used 'Former pupils of...'. Xn4  ( talk ) 02:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Louisa Maria Teresa Stuart
I sent BD to RfD and I thought I had stooped by bot but... I hadn't and in some articles it substituted the template including the RfD tag. :) Everything is ok now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, now I understand. Many thanks for your reply, which reassures me! Xn4  ( talk ) 23:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

George Whitehead
Well done and thankyou.

Can you help me? I feel a bit thick; that's why I ask. Clifton College have an Old Cliftonians page- different from the one you edited. How on earth do I add names in their alphebetical order. What's your connection with Whitehead?81.158.54.27 (talk) 02:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Answer is on your page. Xn4  ( talk ) 02:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

OC list
What's your connection with Clifton? None? There are at least 30 0r 40 OC's in Wiki without who aren't in the Categories section. Sir John May Bourne-Arton MP Basil Allen etc.

Following your advice, I am going to try to place them in the Categories page. Thanks for all your help. By the way I was at the School and have gleaned much of his info from Obituaries in the Old Cliftonian chronicle.81.158.54.27 (talk) 02:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Feel free to add them! Not quite 'none', but I was at another school myself. Xn4  ( talk ) 02:59, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

William Hayter
Thanks for your help. Millbanks (talk) 07:17, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Reply
It appears to be a malfunction; please report it to User:Ameliorate!, the creator of the bot. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Wilco. Xn4  ( talk ) 02:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Illustrated Sporting and Dramatic News
Thanks. This article was overdue, I think. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not at all! It's prompted by Today's featured picture on the Main Page. Xn4  ( talk ) 22:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I answered on my talk page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * DYK - How about this: "...that in 1883, a dozen years before his conviction for Gross Indecency, the Illustrated Sporting and Dramatic News published a cartoon showing Oscar Wilde in convict dress?" -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That's good. I'll see if I can find an online ref. to add. Xn4  ( talk ) 23:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, I put it on the DYK page. Feel free to modify or add an image if you think it helpful. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks! Xn4  ( talk ) 01:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

An editor questioned the submission for at the Did You Know nominations page. Please review the comment(s) underneath. Make sure that I responded correctly, as I had to modify something that you wrote. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:00, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

David Henry Friston
The Friston DYK hook is OK with me, thanks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

India
I have left some comments in the present discussion at Talk:British India which you may wish to look at. Strawless (talk) 18:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for letting me know. Impressed by your efforts, it's a very difficult scene. Xn4  ( talk ) 03:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Illustrated Sporting and Dramatic News

 * Many thanks for updating me. Xn4  ( talk ) 03:53, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Home from the hill
Hi Xn4 and thanks for the greeting. I too am busy at the mo and can't dedicate too much time here, but perhaps in the New Year we could try for a 5x expansion on T. Graham Brown for DYK. I have a fair bit of material and he looks like an interesting chap with his notorious prickliness. Ericoides (talk) 10:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for Comment
I would be very grateful if you would come and comment about Former Schools sections of Navigation Templates. -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 18:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

British India
Hi Xn4, I did take a look, but felt I could add no authority. These subjects rightly work up a lot of heat (both sides did some pretty evil things) and I admire your efforts in debating these issues. Thanks for the invite, but I don't think I can help as I have no new information. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 17:04, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

File:Grasshopper-crest.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Grasshopper-crest.jpg, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Skier Dude ( talk ) 08:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, this was superseded by File:Grasshopper-crest.GIF. Xn4  ( talk ) 08:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Buckeye gasoline buggy
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Xn4. Haven't talked to you for some time. Take a look at this recent new article I have been working on from a 9-article DYK hook. Would it be a potential Good Article candidate? Can one self nominate for GA? Tweak, if you have time. Thanks! --Doug Coldwell talk 14:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)