User talk:Xnihilo1

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Speedy deletion nomination of SAVO Group


A tag has been placed on SAVO Group, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Business for more information.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. DreamFieldArts (talk) 16:43, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Status and Advice
As reviewing administrator, I have deleted the article.

A Wikipedia article needs to show notability with references providing substantial coverage from 3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but not blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases. The eferences in that article were all or almost all press releases or derived from press releases. It also needs to be written like an encyclopedia article, not a press release--don't praise the organization or person, say what they have accomplished Remember not to copy from a web site, even your own -- first it's a copyright violation, but, even if you own the copyright and are willing to give us permission according to WP:DCM, the tone will not be encyclopedic and the material will not be suitable.

Include only material that would be of interest to a general reader coming across the mention of the subject and wanting the sort of information that would be found in an encyclopedia. Do not include material that would be of interest only to those associated with the subject, or to prospective clients--that sort of content is considered promotional. Keep in mind that the goal of an encyclopedia is to say things in a concise manner, which is not the style of  press releases or  web sites, which are usually more expansive.

As a general rule, a suitable page will be best written by someone without Conflict of Interest; it's not impossible to do it properly with a conflict of interest or as a paid press agent, but it's relatively more difficult: you are automatically thinking in terms of what the subject wishes to communicate to the public, but an uninvolved person will think in terms of what the public might wish to know.

If you think you can do it right according to our guidelines, do so, but expect the article to be carefully checked for objectivity.  DGG ( talk ) 17:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * please do not play games with us. I have deleted the article again, and protected it against re-creation for a week, to give time for you to attempt an adequate article. I think it might be possible--if I thought it would not be, I would have protected against re-creation for much longer. It seems I need to explain in somewhat more detail:

Even with all of this, written a neutrally as possible, unless you can show by good 3rd party sources that the product is actually notable, as defined is WP:PRODUCT, the article will not stand. If you have suitable references to show it, try again--the evidence that is most accepted here is 3rd party product reviews in major industry publications. If not, though the article may not be speedy deleted, it will be listed for regular deletion, and, from my years of experience here, I can advise you that it will almost certainly be removed. Of all the administrators here, I am one of the most sympathetic to content about business products, but I must give you my most accurate advice about what will and will not be accepted by the community.  DGG ( talk ) 18:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) List only the CEO--anything more is considered promotional except for the most important of major companies.
 * 2) List only your primary industry, which is computer software. Your principle product is a particular sales support software. Trying to list too many categories is promotional.
 * 3) "Sales enhancement software" does not have an article, and it seems undefined industry jargon. Don't use it.
 * 4) Avoid jargon: "core functionality", for example. is promotional, not encyclopedic language
 * 5) " long-standing relationships" is vague and promotional--you mean the companies listed have bought your product. If they hacve indeed adopted it as the major support product for this application, which is not quite the same thing, it would be worth mentioning, but you would need to show it.
 * 6) "scheduled to include" is promotional prediction o n not yet existent product features, and promotional. If you are notable, it is for what you have done, not what you hope to do.
 * 7) "unique consulting services" is jargon and puffery. What is "unique " about it? If there should be something, say what it is and prove it unique and important by evidence from 3rd party reliable sources. Others it's just sales talk. There's nothing wrong with sales talk in its appropriate place, but that place is your web site, not an encyclopedia.
 * 8) Repeating the name of the company in full caps is promotional; the correct term after the first mention is "The company" or "It".
 * 9) The business week writeup is directory information supplied by the company, and is not third party. It can be used for the facts about your company, but it is not a 3rd party reference.
 * 10) The business-2-community blog is a blog, which in general cannot be used as a reference.
 * 11) Business Wire is a source for press releases, not a third party source.
 * 12) The Daily Journal of Commerce article does not seem to mention Savo.


 * 1) Thank you, by all means this is not intended as advertising. I will go back and rewrite as you have instructed. I merely put the first part of the page as I agreed the history did sound promotional. I tried to stick to facts of the company itself. Hopefully my next attempt will not meet swift punishment.Xnihilo1 (talk) 19:05, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Also please note that SAVO was done in upper case as that is how the company is named - not for advertising purposes. Xnihilo1 (talk) 22:56, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Sales enablement for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Sales enablement is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Sales enablement (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 19:17, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Sales enablement


A tag has been placed on Sales enablement, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate,. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 19:19, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of SAVO Group for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article SAVO Group is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/SAVO Group until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.  DGG ( talk ) 14:22, 10 May 2012 (UTC)