User talk:Xorkl000/Archive/2007

Peace
Malo a Bula Xork1000


 * Bula Vinaka, appreciate if you could get my username correct --Xorkl000 10:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sticking around, I hope dispite your dislike for me that we are able to be civil while contributing on wikipedia, I love Fiji and Fiji history of particular interest is the area of Lomaloma Tikina, I will in future ensure I abide by the rules of Wikipedia, because if I Don't you'll be right there to point it out.


 * WP:CIVIL is an important rule, but my view is that if it does not serve any useful purpose if its prevents us from making full disclosure of all the baggage we bring here. Otherwise it makes us dishonest.  I promise to be more civil, but I will not be dishonest. --Xorkl000 10:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd rather not make enemies but try and work with you to help contribute constructively to Fiji related articles, I hope you can find it in you to put aside your past opinions of me and allow me to prove to you that I can show some signs of intelligence and contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia.


 * I remain unconvinced, but as the book says "every tree is known by his own fruit", and thats how all of of us will be judged here. I will note that your work is already improving --Xorkl000 10:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year


 * Likewise, i'm sure --Xorkl000 10:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Malo Maikeli MB 23:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

ACCF
Hi there! Thanks for the ACCF link. I'll do my best to come up with an article tomorrow:-) David Cannon 11:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've done it - or made a start, anyway. It still looks like a dog's breakfast - I just grabbed what scraps of information I could find and threw them in. When I come back from work later, I'll try to clean it up a bit. David Cannon 01:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Vunivalu of Bau
Hi there Xorkl000, I've been a long time admirer of you and David Cannon's work and have decided to join the fray of articles going around regarding Fiji. While my area of interest is Rotuma in particular, I've recently noticed some gaps that I thought should be filled. If you look at my contributions I've recently spent some time writing articles about the various Vunivalu of Bau, mainly writing from text sources by Sam Berwick. I realise that this is a little one sided so invite your critiques.

I noticed that for the table on the Vunivalu page, there are no listed Vunivalu between Penaia Kadavulevu and George Cakobau. Is this so contentious that I should not include in the list my article on Ratu Popi Seniloli, g/son of the Tui Viti Cakobau, which in my book is listed as the next Vunivalu after his cousin Penaia and list his supposed successor tevita Naulivou? Please give me your thoughts on the matter. Vinaka Matt Bray 04:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * hows life? anyway my edits to Vunivalu of Bau I was trying to create an overall view for a first time reader, you deleted most of what I wrote? anyway I thought I justified it with my notes and references? I have not changed it again I have left your edit as it is, but I thought I cited what I wrote correctly? anyway I am not trying to argue or anything just trying to understand? I think the battle of Kaba was an important part of Bauan history and the history of the Vunivalu, as well as the translation and transliteration of its meaning, as well as other relevent names and place or then again maybe I was trying to squeeze to much into one article?


 * And as far as the Google books search page link the books I cited can be found on Google books and you can read parts of the book there, so I thought it was relevent to put it down so people can go and check and read it for themselves, anyway as said have I have left it as it is.


 * Xorkl000 if you have time I would be grateful if you could look at my user page and check some of the articles I have been editing as I may have made the same mistakes, anyway if you have time.


 * well have a good day


 * Vinaka
 * Maikeli


 * MB 20:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * well thanks for the feedback, will take on board and try to improve


 * Malo
 * Maikeli


 * MB 22:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Xorkl000 O.K just gotta clear something in my mind on what you left on my talk page: while as above I took on your criticism what of the following point you raised

inaccurate - the overthrow of Visawaqa was not primarily as a result of rivalry between the Tui Kaba and the Roko Tui Bau, it was far more complex than that

well why isn't the above shared in the article and the areas I shared I obtained from reliably published sources, shouldn't what I wrote be included? again just a query, I am not wanting to get into an argument. I won't bother you again on this aspect of the topic.

Vinaka Maikeli

MB 01:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Fiji Users
To all Wiki Users born in Fiji Pliz add this userbox to your user page   --Cometstyles 16:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks but no thanks --Xorkl000 20:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Intelligentsiya
Xorkl000 I have just started an article on that libertarian blog which has gotten a fair bit of international exposure of late and which is causing the military some grief, I figure its inclusion is justified.

Please read through, npov and edit where u see necessary,

CheersMatt Bray 01:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

rotuman wikipedia
Hi!

I'm looking at putting together a Wikipedia in the Rotuman Language for the sake of the preservation of the language in the years to come, as the diaspora continues. If you can help by voting in this process, please do so at the following address: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Rotuman

Noa'ia 'e mauri, and vinaka vakalevu! Mattbray 09:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

your thoughts on Ratu Sukuna
someone edited Tovata removing Ratu Sukuna saying that he is from BAU but his mother is from LAU, which is correct but I put his name back on Notable Fijians from Tovata, giving the reason on the talk page that while Ratu Sukuna was Kai Bau But Vasu Levu to Lakeba he held a signifcant Chiefly title within Tovata being that of the Tui Lau so thats why he is considered as a Notable person of Tovata, but he would share Notability in both Tovata and Kubuna but he should not be removed from Tovata, I needed an independant view and that is why I am consulting you was I incorrect in reverting the edit to keep Ratu Sukuna on the Tovata section? your advice would be helpful on this matter.

Vinaka Maikeli MB 00:33, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Its true that the Turaga Talai's father was from Bau (Ratu Joni Madraiwiwi. The story i've heard (also confirmed in Derrick Scarr's book) is that Ratu Sukuna had his and his siblings names removed from his father's clan and had them transferred to his mother's clan in Lakeba.  Given that he was running the NLC at the time this sort of fiddling with the VKB was quite easy for him to do.  The origin of this move was apparently a series of disputes with his Tui Kaba cousins over various issues.


 * The descendants of one the Turaga Talai's brothers live up the road from me. They are all written in Lakeba as part of the Vuanirewa, and if you ask them where they are from they'll say that they are from Lakeba, Lau.


 * So what does this mean? Fijian descent is primarily patrilineal, you are from where your father is from. But there are always exceptions though, and there are many examples of people being written in their mother's village.  By all accounts Ratu Sukuna considered himself to be Lauan, and so did his siblings (except of course for Ratu Dovi, who was adopted into the yavusaratu and thus became Bauan again).  Also as you note, he was given a Lauan chiefly title.


 * In summary i think we should revert the article at Tovata Confederacy back to previous one at &oldid=128327960. The current version says "was Vasu Levu to Tovata" which is very awkward sounding and also might beinaccurate.  I think your mother would have to be from the Ai Sokula in Taveuni to be a Vasulevu to Tovata.  In any case i have never heard of anyone being called vasulevu to an entire confederacy.


 * I will dig up Derrick Scarr's book for the reference to Ratu Sukuna moving his registration to Lakeba and share it with you all as soon as I have time. --Xorkl000 02:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Grateful
Vinaka vaka levu saka User:Xorkl000 I meant to say Vasu Levu to Lakeba, but yes I agree we should just revert it to &oldid=128327960 as you advised, only thing I am not sure how to do this? anyway I will try you can check just in case I get it wrong.

Maikeli MB 03:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Tui Viti
There has been some huge edits recently to this section your opnion would be helpful, I am going to check through the current information added.

Vinaka Maikeli MB 22:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep disambiguation titles apparent in disambiguation pages
Hi. This edit of yours was made sighting WP:ASR. However, it is contrary to Disambiguation. Keep the actual titles of disambiguated pages apparent in disambiguation pages. Please understand that we need to have the casual new users be able to see that we have articles about the various films. Hope this helps. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 14:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Waisale Serevi
Hey, I did read in the paper today that he had taken a job in South Africa. It's interesting because there had been speculation he was going to take a job there some time ago (I didn't add a massive about it to the article because it was I believed, speculation). I have had a brief look at the article today and saw your edit. I will maybe try to expand it, and update the lead, but you are right - we don't want to fall victim to recentism and start adding half a page on it. Probably don't need to add to much. - Shudda   talk  04:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * agreed --Xorkl000 09:31, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Fiji Scouts Association
Can you please help render "Fiji Scouts Association" as well as "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Fijian? Thanks! Chris 07:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * hmm ... good question, i have no idea how to render the word "Scout" into Fijian, I have never had a conversation on on this topic, and I have never heard anyone speak about Scouting in Fijian.


 * as for "be prepared" it should either be "Tu Vakarau" or "Meda Tu Vakarau", and I'd probably lean towards the second choice. --Xorkl000 20:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Bula Xorkl000, Chris asked me some details on the Fiji Scouts and on translations I intially thought be prepared was Vaka Vakarau but I think I was off the mark I called and discussed it with a senior scout and then left the following message on Chris talk page - Bula once again Chris the term most agreeable with some senior scouts whom I just discussed the issue with was for the Motto "be prepared always" would be "Tu Vakarau ena Vei Gauna" and for the "Fiji Scouts Association" would be "Nai Soqosoqo ni taba Gone e Viti" double check this with User:Xorkl000 and a few other Fijian Wikipedians, I hope that helps, Vinaka, Maikeli MB 02:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * if you could check my spelling and structure of how I wrote it to see it is correct as he has added it to the Fiji Scouts Association article, Vinaka, Maikeli MB 02:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I'll refrain from weighing in here as I'm not qualified - I know nothing about scouting in Fiji or in any other country. "Tu vakaraua ena veigauna" is a good translation, probably better than my suggestion of "Meda tu vakarau" which is more like "We should be prepared"
 * My final point is that "Nai Soqosoqo ni taba Gone e Viti" back-translates as "Fiji Youth Association" which doesn't really specifically reference Scouting, but like I said I don't really know much about the topic and whether this name is the official Fijian name of the organisation --Xorkl000 08:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Postal Orders of Fiji
Can you please try and add some more information, including photos of both sides of postal orders? - (Numismaticman 21:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC))


 * Sorry, this is not a topic I know anything about --Xorkl000 23:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Your advice
Bula Xorkl000, I need your feedback and I could be way off the mark but I think the various language articles relating to Fiji should be merged like the article East Fijian languages, West Fijian languages and related dialects of the Fijian Language I think should be merged with the Article Fijian Languages as really they discuss variations of the same topic and these other Language articles on the Fijian language are just small stubs and perhaps the Fijian language article should be changed to just "Language in Fiji" and cover all related languages in the Fiji Islands. your advice feedback and thoughts on this matter would be helpful. Vinaka Maikeli MB 21:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * can I suggest you bring Gringo300 in to this discussion as well? He was the guy who first imported all this content from ethnologue. --Xorkl000 22:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Your help
Bula Xorkl000 need your feed back yet again, there was an internal link on the ethnic groups section of the Fiji Article I removed it because it lead to an article on racial segregation which I felt was in appropriate, I don't feel racial segregation correctly describes Fiji's situation, also on the racial segregation article there was a section on Fiji which seemed very one sided I left this comment on the talk page:

The section on Fiji is very one sided and does not give the reader an overall picture further more it is unreferenced an unsourced and I believe should be re written, there is evidence of defacto separation but not segregation the Fiji section should be removed or as I said before rewritten as it is divisive and incorrectly written..Vinaka MB 04:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC) ''I have rewritten part of the Fiji section but I am still not certain that it even belongs on this  page anyone ones thought on the subject would be helpful. Vinaka Maikeli MB 21:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)''

I also made a little edit to the article in the Fiji section to try and give a more balanced view but I still think it should be taken out of the article all together Fiji has some instances of racial difference or defacto separation but it also has evidence of unity to, take a look at the article and give your thoughts. Vinaka MB 21:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

FYI
Just a discussion on the talk page for the article Fijian traditions and ceremonies:

Do we really need every detail of the yaqona ceremony? the making of mats? etc? This is an article not a definitve text surely. Surely as editors we should aim for economic prose and attractive layout. I still feel the article needs serious editing down by someone more quailifed than myself in matters Fijian. It would probably suffice to say something like: 'the yaqona ceremony is highly complex, and includes ceremonial mixing of the drink and presentation of the bilo cup to various people in order of rank, with appropriate verbal responses made at each stage of the process.' And leave it at that. The average reader is not going to remember or want to remember half of what is currently written there, while the expert or student reader will look further into the matter and get definitive references. Lgh.


 * I am in Agreement but we must bear in mind that the Yaqona ceremony has large social importance in Fiji and as long as that is conveyed in some way I suppose we should reduce the content on that section as I am too close to the article because I wrote it I feel my judgment is not the best as I have an emotional attachment, a good Editor with experience on the subject as well structure and format of articles would be Xorkl000, so run it by him and you'll get a fair and accurate response on what to change. Vinaka Maikeli MB 02:31, 10 October 2007