User talk:Xtremejg/JR Griggs

This article was created to document an author and speaker who has much of the same credentials as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Brogan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Rowse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Tracy

Although some of those pages have requests for more sources they were not deleted. This article has sources for every fact listed including sources from Amazon.com. If changes are needed please recommend the changes vs. requesting a flat out deletion. I made every attempt to make sure that only the important facts were listed and that it was a record of JR not a promotion of him.

I know a lot of great people that I have looked up on here that are changing people's lives and making people successful but somehow they keep getting deleted. I don't see the point in that. There needs to be a reliable place such as wikipedia to list some of these people.

I am a registered user and hope to add more people to the encyclopedia.

Thanks,

Xtremejg (talk) 23:51, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * First WP:OTHERSTUFF and 2nd, most of the sources are to his site, none are good sources, and I don't see him passing WP:GNG C T J F 8 3  chat 23:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I can understand the bit about sources coming from him. I only used those because they are more about where he was born and lives, etc. The sources about what he has done and his book however come from a notable source in Amazon.com.

I know there are some other articles he has written for other sites and some about him. Would those be good to use for personal info? I just assumed from him would be best on those items and from secondary sources would be best for actual accomplishments.

Thanks for the help.

Xtremejg (talk) 00:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sources from him are frowned upon, and it looks like Amazon isn't reliable, as users can submit changes. Check out WP:RS for guidelines on good sources. C T J F 8 3  chat 00:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'm gonna work on finding some other sources for the info. Some of it was actually in his book, how can that be used as a source. Maybe through the "Look Inside" feature on Amazon? I don't see that feature on his book but maybe it will be added.

Thanks again, hopefully the page can stay up while I find more info. Xtremejg (talk) 01:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I added some additional sources of work he has done and where he has been quoted, etc. As far as his d.o.b. and birthplace, etc. I can only find that info on his sites. I do know that some is in the book though. I could try to email him but I am not sure if that is a violation. Xtremejg (talk) 03:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a violation...but you can't use it as a source, as you wouldn't be able to prove who the email came from. The difficulty in finding sources shows that he doesn't pass WP:GNG C T J F 8 3  chat 03:14, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll keep working on it. Could this also be moved to another user? Xtremejg (talk) 03:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, just hit move at the top, it might be under a drop down arrow. C T J F 8 3  chat 03:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)