User talk:Xumbrales

Wikipedia and copyright
Hello Xumbrales! Your additions to Ad orientem have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.


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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 18:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I am saddened at learning (so I have been told above) that I am an ignoramus about what copyright means and at being told that edits of mine "have been removed" (i.e., the messenger has removed them) in whole or in part, as they appeared (to the messenger) to have added copyrighted content. I would have been a little less sad if the messenger had said what copyright content he thought I had added. The article whose present state the messenger is defending is indeed replete with copyright violations: even a cursory glance at the lengthy quotations in the references section shows that. It wasn't I who put them in. The messenger has also accused me of duplicating another article, one of several in which the same editor has inserted the same material. Apart from the article I am accused of duplicating, they probably include Matins, Nocturns, Sext, Liturgy of the Hours, Prime (liturgy), Little Hours and/or several more. One could comment also on that editor's addition of three sources to show what is said to be the purpose (only his own or that of some community?) of the cross whose image he has uploaded. I must leave the article as it is, presenting the eastward-praying custom as the prevailing Christian fashion to the exclusion of any other present-day usage (as the messenger seems to desire). As a test, I'll raise one simple question and then abandon: why does the messenger insist that Augustine, Cicero, Julius Caesar, Livy, Sallust, Tacitus etc. were writing "ecclesiastical" Latin, rather than ordinary everyday Latin, when they used the phrase "ad orientem"? Xumbrales (talk) 15:27, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

January 2021
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Holy water; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Elizium23 (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.