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Hello
You have created a text-less article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasional_14

usually such items are put up for deletion

you need to add text so that there is some way to ascertain WP:N, and WP:V

SatuSuro 09:09, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

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Mahu hilang?
Sudah hilng Nasional 3 - tetapi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasional_14 Kalau tambah table only - harus ada text - kata kata - atau semua hilang - disini harus ada WP:LEAD in english, dan lain lain SatuSuro 06:12, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Maps and tables are pointless - for WP:MOS, WP:V, WP:N - articles actually need text - if you cannot actually add english text - either put up the template hang on or ask for help in adding text - if you do not do either - you will end up finding most of it will get deleted before you start SatuSuro 06:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

sp
Yogyakarta is spelt that way in english - scenic - is the word - thank you for at least starting - you must try to either speak with other editors - or take note - this is WP en - and we expect standards of WP:MOS and also the importance of WP:RS cannot be under-rated - SatuSuro 06:41, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Y4n (talk) 06:53, 20 September 2010 (UTC) Hi, anyway, the other editor is all wikipedia reader huh? And the last, I mean that "One of scenic highway" is pointing to the whole highway not only Yogyakarta.

Not sure I understand all of that - I have not problem with re-inserting 'scenic' - because it is ( i used to live for a while very near the highway) - I think there might be a need to possible write very carefully so we do not misunderstand each other - SatuSuro 06:57, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Y4n (talk) 07:00, 20 September 2010 (UTC) Ok :-)/\

as for
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_Indonesia - gila - that is exactly WP:NOT - if you want help - bisa - kalau diam saya tak mahu - that list is in the wrong place - if you want help I can give it - if you are prepared to use talk SatuSuro 06:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Y4n (talk) 06:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC) Pardon, I had never heard numbered national highway routes of Indonesia outside Java. I ask for your help, if you know more national highways outside Java (numbered is better).

pembuat nasional 14
mau tanya nih..pembuat artikel Nasional 14 ya? dapat data darimana?Mfa fariz (talk) 08:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Exactly - dapat data darimana - betul - no usage of WP:RS is a serious issue!!!

Please note that all the names will have to be changed to disambiguation issues - Nasional 14 - is something that needs to be changed to either:-

Javanese National highway 14, or something similar - as other National highways 14 exist around the world in many places. SatuSuro 08:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the data can be from PERATURAN DIREKTUR JENDERAL PERHUBUNGAN DARAT NOMOR: SK.1321/AJ.401/DRJD/2005 TENTANG UJI-COBA RAMBU NOMOR RUTE PADA JARINGAN JALAN NASIONAL / ARTERI PRIMER DI PULAU JAWA.Mfa fariz (talk)

logo jalan nasional
Kayaknya logo jalan nasional salah deh. Bukan seperti ini. Bentuknya sudah benar, tapi tidak menggunakan tulisan nasional. Gambar yang betul berdasarkan PERATURAN DIREKTUR JENDERAL PERHUBUNGAN DARAT OMOR: SK 3229/AJ 401/DRJD/2006 TENTANG TATA CARA PENOMORAN RUTE JALAN.Mfa fariz (talk)

Y4n (talk) 13:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC) Mohon maaf Mas Fariz, tapi saya lihat di sebuah plang dekat Semarang (Kalau tidak salah lihat), yang menggunakan nomor rute model tersebut sudah ditimpa dengan model nomor rute yang menggunakan tulisan "NASIONAL", belum lagi plang-plang lain sudah menggunakan logo seperti itu. Menurut RAMBU LALU LINTAS JALAN DI INDONESIA ( PERATURAN, ARTI DAN LAMBANG RAMBU ) oleh Bapak Faisal Affandi di Scribd dengan dasar keputusan hubdat yang baru Penomoran rute jalan dengan logo tanpa tulisan "NASIONAL" sudah Tidak Berlaku karena PERATURAN DIREKTUR JENDERAL PERHUBUNGAN DARAT NOMOR: SK 3229/AJ 401/DRJD/2006 TENTANG TATA CARA PENOMORAN RUTE JALAN digantikan oleh PERATURAN DIRJENDAT NO: SK 1207/AJ 401/DRJD/2008 TENTANG TATA CARA PENOMORAN RUTE JALAN yang belum dipublikasikan di situs Hubdat.

makasih ya koreksinya..saya baru saja baca peraturannya... kira2 enaknya nama jalannya Indonesia National Route atau pake Road ya?Mfa fariz (talk) 14:05, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Y4n (talk) 14:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC) wokey...! :-)) Enaknya Indonesian National Route aja... BTW Jalur Pantura dari Merak sampe Ketapang itu masuknya ke Jalur Nasional 1 lho... North Coast Road (Java) kayanya di merge ke Nasional 1 aja. Great Post Road nya di sendiriin soalnya beda konteks, tapi kalo mau di include ke Nasional 1 boleh aja, but di bagian history.. {just suggestion)

baru baca peraturan yang 2008, ternyata yang jadi rute nasional itu ga hanya jalan nasional. jalan provinsi yang penting untuk nasional pun boleh menjadi rute nasional. emang enaknya jadi Indonesia National Route. Masalah great post road boleh juga sih dipisah. yang jalan jaman dulu tetep disitu, tapi pantura dipindah ke route 1.

ngerti soal AH2 ga? itu masuk tol atau pantura sih?

data buat rute bisa dilihat di sini. ini yang tahun 2007 punya.Mfa fariz (talk) 14:26, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

A few suggestions - (1) please sign at the end (this is english wikipedia - we sign at the end, not the start (2) once you have sorted out issues - please try expressing yourself in english - it is possible someone might ask you - as you are here at English wikipedia - that you express yourself in english (3) North coast road is an existing article - the suggestion to merge is not recommended - (4) Articles in WP en - are not travel or tourism articles - but WP:ABOUT articles - so they need WP:RS, for WP:V, and WP:N - the current text on Nasional 14 is not what constitutes a good article (5) if the better title would be Indonesian National Route 14 - please discuss this so we can change them (6) please - keep editing - but hati hati terlalu banyak dalam bahasa indonesia disini SatuSuro 14:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

thx satusuro. it is just easy to write in Indonesian. maybe not merge the north coast article, but divide it. because the article contains both past and present condition. i think it is better to move the present to the Indonesia National Route 1 article and keep the history in that article.Mfa fariz (talk) 14:43, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Thx SatuSuro. For Mfa Fariz, is a Freeway not National Highway. But, National Highways still linked with. For Nasional 14, I only have basic data so others can edit it much better, and made it no longer like a tourist route advertisement :-) Y4n (talk) 14:53, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

you mean with freeway is toll road right? because Indonesia only have toll and no toll road. no specific definition what is highway.Mfa fariz (talk) 15:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Y4n - thank you for your sense of humour - it is appreciated ;) SatuSuro 15:15, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Mfa fariz They write freeway in Transportation in Indonesia so i just follow them, Thank you for your correction. Yeah i mean the is still connected to national routes ... Satu Hahaha, thanks Y4n (talk) 16:26, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Other National Route signage
can you please upload the rest of the signage? i already made Indonesian National Route 2 but no picture there. In total there are 25 routes available. need 22 more. i can not make the signage, so i ask you. thank you.Mfa fariz (talk) 03:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I will. But pardon me: What is the meaning of the list Indonesian National Route 12 to 13? There is no National Route junction at that region. We must based on New routes regulations available at links below Indonesia National Route 14. Thanks. Y4n (talk) 14:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I follow SK.930/AJ.401/DRJD/2007. That is the latest regulation. It is about Penetapan Nomor Rute Jalan Nasional Di Pulau Jawa. It also have maps drawn for the routes. I used the maps to see if there are any junctions or not.

The SK.1207/AJ.401/DRJD/2008 is only about Tata Cara Penomoran Jalan (How to numbering the road).

The SK.1321/AJ.401/DRJD/2005 is about UJI-COBA RAMBU NOMOR RUTE PADA JARINGAN JALAN NASIONAL / ARTERI PRIMER DI PULAU JAWA (Trial phase of numbering in Java). The route stated inside this decree is slightly different from the SK.930/AJ.401/DRJD/2007. For example is route 3 in this decree is from jakarta to ketapang, but on the 2007 version, the route is from cilegon to ketapang.Mfa fariz (talk) 15:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Mfa fariz and others, For the Indonesian National Route Article please don't use old regulations, use this Indonesian Road with Latest Regulation by Faisal Affandi on Scribd. to make the article WP:RELIABLE and keep updated. Thanks.

I already downloaded the Scribd but it doesn't include the SK.930/AJ.401/DRJD/2007.Mfa fariz (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah it does include in its last pages. Y4n (talk) 15:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't see it. What page is it?Mfa fariz (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

It is at page 25 to 26, in form of table, not in form of Letters. You can also check the newest edition of Peta mudik Lebaran (17th edition) published by POLRI etc. Y4n (talk) 15:20, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

It used SK.1321/AJ.401/DRJD/2005 as the sourced for the route. It was the route when on trial on 2005. Now we have new route based on SK.930/AJ.401/DRJD/2007.Mfa fariz (talk) 15:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, Correction accepted. Thanks to view it in detail Mfa Fariz. If there is something wrong, i wait your edit. Y4n (talk) 04:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

finally we have an agreement. it is hard to talk with this talk page.Mfa fariz (talk) 07:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Infobox for indonesian national route
can you please edit the infobox? please edit the part previous route and next route. please edit so the link is not Nasional x but directly Indonesian National Route x. so no need to make Nasional x page just to make it redirect to the Indonesian National Route x. Maybe the new link will be like this Indonesian National Route x|National x. Thank you.

maybe you also can make the sign for terminus route or rute buntu. Some of the route is not connected to other route. I already put in the next or previous route name Terminus. Maybe you can upload image name Terminus.png. Thank you.

I am sorry to trouble you. Because i dont know how to make all of that. thank you. Mfa fariz (talk) 11:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

OMG, That's simply difficult, i made them for five days. I will try. Y4n (talk) 13:22, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

oh..i dont know. sorry ya.Mfa fariz (talk) 05:43, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

question
I am confused when talking about Pathways of Indonesian National Routes, Must I join the SK.930/AJ.401/DRJD/2007 or "Java Roads and Transport Map for 2010 Eid Mubarak Going-Home Event" which is made by JASAMARGA, POLRI, and Department of Transportation, and Department of National Project.

I am not 100% sure the question - if you are asking about 'using as a reference' or which is the more appropriate source? mohon maaf, belum jelas SatuSuro 14:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I haven't seen the map. is it different?Mfa fariz (talk) 05:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I think - if I understand you - the second source with names is more appropriate SatuSuro 06:48, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

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