User talk:YSSYguy/Archive 6

Bulgaria Air
Why did you erase my edit on Bulgaria Air? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GogoLive123 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Because it was a bad edit. As per my edit summary it was badly-written, Wikipedia must not be used as a reference; and the incidents are not notable enough for inclusion anyway. Because they aren't notable incidents, it is not worth the time to fix up the bad writing and to find good references. I see you have been warned before about using Wikipedia as a source. YSSYguy (talk) 03:52, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Ow sorry I toke the wrong references I will put the original ones back and you will see by yourself! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GogoLive123 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That doesn't matter, because the information itself is not notable. They are not notable incidents. YSSYguy (talk) 04:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

You can't judge by yourself if they are notable or not, they are incidents as important as a crash read them before directly erasing them!
 * @GogoLive123: I read them, they're not. I think you are trying to discredit Bulgaria Air over what are normal problems faced by all airlines around the world. Lightning strikes are an everyday occurrence. Bird strikes are an everyday occurrence - they occur more than a thousand times a year just in Australia. System failures are an everyday occurrence. Even engine cowls come off aircraft many times a year. You sourced these incidents from the French Wikipedia, which had as its sources posts on an internet Message Board - that is not a reliable source and it is unuseable. Stop trying to make something from nothing. YSSYguy (talk) 04:36, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi YSSYguy, so, let us start from the begging. Regarding the ATR you have removed it from retired fleet without any explanation. According to what you said, I've put as "Stored" as it is it's real status in Bulgaria Air at the mometn. Regarding the second Boeing 737-300, it's going under maintenence at the moment at Lufthansa Techinik Sofia and it will enter shortly service. Second, one of the A319's have been leased back to the leasing company more than 1 month ago. Unfortunately official information from the Bulgaria Air haven't been issued, because of BAD MEDIA POLICY. Third in Bulgaria unfortuantely we don't have good media's which are providing with the relevant information. So, if we need to wait for planespotters to update it, it might take another month or 2. I think it's not acceptable that the information will be irrelevant for the next 2 month, because of the stupid "referrence rule". If you don't trust my informatio regarding the A319 you might call Bulgaria Air and ask them if this is so, or not. I don't like loosing my time on something I'm not sure of... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mashine1984 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@YSSYguy, are kidding me??? See the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btxdv_BBWiw also find the info about the ATR42-300 inn Bulgaria Air magazine https://www.air.bg/content/magazine/pdf/435500754.pdf (Bulgaria, too, figures in the history of the ATr 42. The fleet of Bulgaria Air and Hemus Air boasts two ATr 42-300s (LZ-ATR and LZ-ATS) configured to carry 46 and 48 passengers, respectively) and tell me againg that they've never operted an ATR 42... About the A319 you will see that it's been leased back, but of course you're waiting for Planespotters which ridiculous, but anyway we will have wrong information for the next 1-2-3 months :D
 * @Mashine1984 Once again you have misunderstood me; I did not say that the airline never operated an ATR, I said that you need to provide a reference that it did. You have found a good reference (the Bulgaria Air magazine), so that is good. Again with the A319 you need to provide a reference - it doesn't have to be planespotters.net. YSSYguy (talk) 00:21, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@YSSYguy, Bul Air is part of Bulgaria Air. So, you either add the 2 Boeing 736-300 to their fleet, or create a new page for Bul Air. Now you're creating a mess... I don't see the point of removing the Boeings from Bulgaria Air fleet when it's clearly indicated that they are operated by their charter brand - Bul Air. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mashine1984 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I will do neither. The source you added (airfleets) does not mention Bulgaria Air, it only mentions Bul Air and there are two other sources in the article that state Bulgaria Air has no Boeing 737s. As a subsidiary it is a separate operation and the aircraft are Bul Air's, not Bulgaria Air's. By your line of reasoning, the aircraft of Jetstar should be counted as Qantas aircraft. You can start an article for Bul Air - if you have references. YSSYguy (talk) 12:38, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Crew names
Hi, just a quick question for you about using names of crews in fatal accidents. Is this http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/death-crash-airline-did-not-know-about-snow-danger-1.120315 a bad reference? Is that why the names were removed from Loganair Flight 670A? BTW... nice edit on List of preserved Douglas A-4 Skyhawks. Samf4u (talk) 21:33, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * There are several factors. I'm not saying that this is the case in this instance, but there is a tendency to include information in a WP article just because it is in the source. I apply a "comprehension test" to all information in all articles, which is 'does the information aid in my understanding of the subject' and except in certain instances like MH370 or the Germanwings crash, names do not help to understand what happened. This is why I removed the names of eyewitnesses from the article about the F/A-18 that crashed into the apartment complex in Virginia Beach - in that case I thought such information was actually an impediment to a reader's understanding of the subject. It is also why I made this edit - the info just wasn't needed. In this specific case there is another consideration for me, which is that those two guys died basically through no fault of their own, so why mention their names on a high-profile website such as Wikipedia? There is also WP:NOTMEMORIAL to consider. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 23:30, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I understand. That makes sense. I may have lost sight that WP articles should contain only concise facts. I'm going to borrow your "comprehension test test" and try to use it from now on. Samf4u (talk) 02:20, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Hola Airlines
I noticed you have now prodded Hola Airlines, I would have thought any airline that actually operated flights would be notable even Mint! So I was just trying to understand why you think they should be deleted rather than just removing the prod, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 10:54, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I just came across the article while hunting down and removing "fleet with an average age"-type text from airline articles, I have no particular investment in whether is deleted or it survives. All I have done is judge it by my understanding of the General Notability Guidelines; all there is by the way of sources, is database listings. I used to subscribe to the point of view that an airline is intrinsically notable, but this has been disproved in many an AfD discussion. I am not having a go at you, but when assessing a PROD, it seems to me that whether an article survives or not is pretty-much down to the whim of the admin looking at it. Feel free to de-PROD it, I have tidied it up to what I think is a reasonable standard. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 00:33, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Understood but it does have a Flight reference to the fact it exists, tempted to de-prod but I will look to see if I can find anything else on it, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 09:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Uploads to illustrate article Ice protection system
Hello YSSYguy,

thank you for your uploads to illustrate Ice protection system — a great contribution to the article. I think they would be a valuable addition to Wikipedias (and sisters) in other languages too. Is there a reason why you chose to upload them to English Wikipedia, but not to Wikimedia Commons? Ariadacapo (talk) 11:20, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Wheeltug vs Taxibot reciprocity
Let me know your thoughts behind the deletes. Talk:WheelTug — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.64.148.72 (talk) 18:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I would actually prefer you and anyone you choose to bring review as to whether the Wheeltug entry needs a page vs the entry in it's parent company Borealis Exploration. Most of the Wheeltug page is a big PR dump written by a company officer, user:Chovesh mostly cited to company press releases either published in industry publications or the company website, the Borealis page has a short concise description of the company and its product. The rest of Borealis's subsidiary wiki pages have been merged to the parent at this point. Solomon(for now)37.26.150.228 (talk) 17:40, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Radar imaging
An article that you have been involved in editing, Radar imaging, has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Pierre cb (talk) 12:49, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Swiss Air Force Inventory list
PLEASE Notice:

Pictures make the chart more attractive to the reader. Images are information carriers and give the reader a first impression of the aircraft to the publically available information. As can be seen, this (pictures in the chart) is used inventory lists for other Air Force on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Czech_military_aircraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_aircraft_of_the_Turkish_Air_Force

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Air_Component#Aircraft_inventory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_Air_Forces#Aircraft_Inventory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Air_Force#Aircraft_Inventory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Netherlands_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Air_Force#Equipment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_currently_active_Russian_military_aircraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force#Aircraft_Inventory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_Kingdom_military_aircraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazian_Air_Force#Equipment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_military_aircraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Air_Force#Aircraft_Inventory

Just to name a few.

The PC-12 is used by armasuisse to calibrate the FLORAKO System, MIDs Link-16 and MALS  Radar. but it is also used by the Swiss Air Force as Transport aircraft (for eg to sweden when the Swiss AF PC-21 had a training week in Sweden. Also the PC-12 is used in Swiss Air Force Training as unknown enemy aircraft. The PC-12 is equpedt wit a Swiss Air Force IFF. See also Swiss Air Force Homepage: http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/de/home/dokumentation/assets/aircraft/pc12.html

The DA42 Is used by armasuisse for testing operations of UAV in civil used VFR airspace. But it is also used as liaison aircraft by armasuisse and the air Force, Armasuisse pilots are also part time swiss air Force Pilots so if for eg armasuisse Pilot is in charge as Chief Air defense he can use the DA42or armasuisse PC-6 HB-FOG as liaison aircraft. The DA42 has the military regr R-711 and is equiped with a Swiss Air Force IFF. See also Swiss Air Force Homepage: http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/de/home/dokumentation/assets/aircraft/da42.html

The KZD-85 is also part of the Swiss Air Force, it is operatet by Swiss Air Force personal, it is to train the Ground Based air Defense who is in the Swiss Military part of the Air Force. Also the regristration of the UAV is in line with the Swiss Air Force regristrations.

See also Swiss Air Force Homepage: http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/de/home/dokumentation/assets/aircraft/kzd85.html

FFA P-16 (talk) 09:25, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for showing me some of the other articles that need to be fixed up. I haven't bothered to read what you have written above, it is obvious that your English is still terrible. YSSYguy (talk) 09:29, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I have asked now an admin who is working often with aviatic topics to have a look at our disput, lets see what he decide. FFA P-16 (talk) 10:29, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Prinair 277-Mexico Learjet crash
I didn't insert Prinair Flight 277 into the article about Jenny Rivera's crash because I created it; I did it because I saw that someone else had inserted the Learjet crash's article into another CFIT crash's article so I assumed that the Jenny Rivera crash's article had been classified as so. That is what the media and everyone else in this geographical area seems to think happened anyways. As I then saw that the Mexican crash's article mentions nothing about CFIT, I will not get into a revert war about it with you. Another thing is you seem to have taken a dislike of me since you first read an article I created. I know Wikipedia is not taken-by some anyways-as a place where we can come and socialize like normal people do when in groups, but I have done nothing for you to dislike me. Antonio Taking Off Martin (te escucho) 07:54, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

Sichuan Airlines
Hello, please tell me why you reverted my Fleet gallery edit on Sichuan Airlines? Nguyen Quoc Trung Talk 09:50, 31 July 2015 (UTC).
 * As per WP's image policies, which state in part " the use of a gallery section may be appropriate in some Wikipedia articles if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images. The images in the gallery collectively must have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject." The gallery did not meet those requirements. YSSYguy (talk) 09:36, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thank you Nguyen Quoc Trung Talk 12:10, 1 August 2015 (UTC).

Pitot
Right now, pitot probe is a redirect to pitot tube. Can you provide refs for drawing a distinction? LeadSongDog come howl!  15:43, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There is my twenty-six years experience of working on aircraft pitot systems; a pitot probe contains a pitot tube and sometimes on small aircraft there is no probe, there is literally just a piece of metal tubing jutting out into the airstream. The accident report uses the word "probe" many, many times and the word "tube" three times, and one of those times is "probe tubes" i.e. the tubes inside the probes. I thought Mathglot's edit was unnecessary in going from a precise term to a generic term; and it had a typo that I didn't feel like searching for to correct amongst all of that text - easier just to undo. YSSYguy (talk) 20:12, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, but if we're to convey a distinction, we'll need reliable sources, right? LeadSongDog come howl!  04:05, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, the accident report calls them "probes", is that a sufficiently reliable source? On that subject, how reliable is it in WP terms that someone conducted some original research and changed the article based on his/her interpretation of the number of Ghits for each term? YSSYguy (talk) 06:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to find a source that explains the difference, not just uses the different terms. As it stands we have a redirect in place suggesting the two terms mean the same, and I've not yet found a source that distinguishes them. LeadSongDog come howl!  13:24, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Flight Hub
Hi YssYguy, It's about the topic Flight Hub that you redirect to Airline Hub. I understand that why you did that redirect, but Flight Hub need to have it's own page. The terms Flight Hub have been in use since WWII and the word is being more and more in use on the internet. You can also find some important WWII flight hub that people still honor today and veteran related to it. Anyway, I think its fair to leave the page on its and and I will be more than happy to work with you to improve this topic. thanks :)

Pimas page
i sent two emails referance the list page to the Wiki nothing yet. can you put back the edit were the link was deleted. I would have been nice if you let me know about the issue and have time to work on it before locking then deleteing the link. if you block something before you tell or let the person have a chance to fix it is bit harsh don't you think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Westca (talk • contribs) 16:09, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I will not restore the page, that is not something I can do, an Admin has to do that. It is not at all "harsh" to do what I did, it is a normal procedure when dealing with copyright violations, which leave Wikipedia at risk of being sued for those violations. I have been working on an alternative, see Talk:List of aircraft in the Pima Air & Space Museum/Temp. YSSYguy (talk) 21:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I sent this in a few days ago via email with POCs. nothing back yet. saw your idea. the one issue is that when I help out there (every other weekend) I am asked. my dad (grandfather) was in x unit do you have a aircraft from that unit? even if it was not a "the plane or model" there loved one was on it helps them connect. that's why we put the history of a aircraft on the wiki in the end all Pima wants to put info to show that its a growing place that if you have not been there in a year there is something to see or they have found out new information on an older plane. ie like when they found bags and receipts form the Berlin airlift during a aircraft refresh.

Hi Cliff –

Here’s the memo we worked on yesterday. Please let me know if anything else needs to be done regarding all this. It’s above my head, but thank goodness, YOU know what to do! J Thank you for your help yesterday!

I hereby affirm that I represent the Arizona Aerospace Foundation at the Pima Air & Space Museum as the creator of the material is not copyrighted of images and text of the Pima Air & Space Museum web page.

I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license. I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites.

I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me.

I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.4.43 (talk) 05:04, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promoting the Pima museum, or for promoting any organization for that matter. The information exists on the Pima website, there is no need to repeat it on Wikipedia. YSSYguy (talk) 06:30, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Undoing of revision to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Hi, I noticed you undid my recent revision to the article Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stating that what I added "did not aid understanding of the subject." I had felt rather confused about who the captain of the other plane was and in particular about where he was in relation to flight 370— I also felt it was pertinent that he knew the voice of the copilot, though he could not understand what the copilot was saying. Following this with a brief statement indicating that the captain of the other plane did not feel at all concerned about this, as this kind of lost contact, even on an emergency channel, is apparently very common among planes in flight, was central to the overall lack of concern at that point for the status of flight 370. Did you really feel this didn't aid your understanding of what was going on? Do you think it might not aid someone else's understanding? It certainly would have aided mine if it had been there when I first read the article and before I made my edit. Thoughts on this? Thanks! KDS 4444 Talk  06:36, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

LATAM Airlines image
I've had a look at WP:CSD, and the best thing I think you could do is tag it for G6 with the reason given as "Original research". By all means link to sources that state the livery will not be revealed. As for MKM, maybe a post at ANI is called for. I do feel we've made a little progress as he is at least using talk pages, even though it's mostly to complain that he's not getting his own way. If you do post at ANI, be sure to mention me using U and I'll get a notification. Mjroots (talk) 09:54, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think that will work, as the image is on Commons. I have had a look at Commons' deletion policies and there appears to be no remedy under their rules. YSSYguy (talk) 12:52, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do over at Commons. BTW, he's been blocked and has announced his retirement. Probably for the best if he stays that way. Mjroots (talk) 17:49, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

BAP Union
Hi. I have added some paragraphs to the article and I would like you to improve the writing, because I'm not a native speaking english man. Thanks. --Elelch (talk) 16:52, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Done YSSYguy (talk) 06:40, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I have added new information and paragraphs (and photos) to this article (because the ship has already been put in active service), and I would like you to improve the writing (grammar), because I'm not a native speaking english man. Please help me. Thanks. --Elelch (talk) 17:14, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Done, but there are two Spanish words that need to be translated into English. I suspect they mean something like fore and aft but I am not sure about this. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 02:43, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll see what I can do.--Elelch (talk) 17:43, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

August 2015 (invalid warning)
Hello, I'm Nrwairport. I noticed that you recently removed some content on American Airlines fleet without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Nrwairport (talk) 04:29, 16 August 2015 (UTC) Stricken per WP:NPA. Esquivalience t 03:23, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * As all of the edits had edit summaries, it might be more useful to not leave an automatic message for an editor of good standing with 20,000 edits under his belt. YSSYguy (talk) 04:35, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * This is probably AugustinusHal, who is probably Sockpuppet investigations/Cyntiamaspian. - BilCat (talk) 04:48, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * YSSYguy, if you would like to make a change in the future, please discuss on the article's talk page. At WP:AV, we have decided that each individual aircraft with two types of different destinations must be marked with that type (i.e. Domestic, international) Nrwairport (talk) 04:50, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I think that you are not AgustinusHal, but if you could actually show the specific discussion as to what we have decided, instead of just typing four letters and a colon inside two pairs of square brackets, that might be a bit more useful too. YSSYguy (talk) 04:57, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * YSSY, so you really think the user is an admin with 500,000 edits and has been on WP for over six years? Those are the types of claims Hal was making too, not to mention reverting you for no substantive reasons.and giving users warnings they don't deserve. Seems suspicious as Hal was just recently blocked. - BilCat (talk) 05:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * YSSY, do you think that Boeing 787 Dreamliner in the Boeing Business Jet increasing fuel cap. from 33,384 US gallons until 36.641 US gallons?

That is overweight load!. LuHay Tari3 (talk 04:57, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No I don't think s/he has that many edits or is an admin, but I formed the impression that Nrwairport is a native speaker of English, while AgustinusHal clearly isn't. Nice that AgH is blocked - he was bizarre to say the least. Cheers, and thanks for your support. YSSYguy (talk) 05:13, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, no problem. - BilCat (talk) 05:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/BackpackersXpress
Hi, I've redeveloped this article by researching it through a newspaper database, and think that the notability criteria are now met. I'd appreciate it if you could please reconsider your vote in the AFD. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 04:09, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:35, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:06, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Hawker Beechcraft Beech King 1900D??
Any idea where a name like that came from, as seen in this diff? The IP is located down your way, so I thought perhaps it might have been a marketing name down there, through probably not, as production ended 5 years before Hawker Beechcraft was formed. Thanks - BilCat (talk) 03:27, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That would be the work of an idiot. YSSYguy (talk) 21:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)


 * That's what I thought! But, I assumed good faith, just in case, as companies can be idiots too. - BilCat (talk) 06:08, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Lockheed Electra
Sir Yssy, I changed the L188 Electra back. I have spent a considerable amount of time researching the survivors and can ensure you the information I have listed is accurate. There are also several links and citations that seemed to be ignored. Will you be amenable to leaving it in the article. I feel it important for historical reasons. Please take it up on the talk page if you find issue with this as I would like to discuss further in a open fashion. By the way, the reason the museum doesn't list as having the L188 Electra is because it is a P3 Orion. It is a historically significant aircraft as it was the very first P3-Orion prototype. It was converted from an existing L188-Electra air-frame (S/N 1003). I have updated the museum page to show this in case anybody else sees that and doesn't make the connection. With warm regards, Norsemanmick (talk) 02:17, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Preserved Mohawks in Argentina
Hi, please do not revert again my latest entry in the list of preserved OV-1s, regardless the date the pic should be sufficient source until I can add a newer source. Thanks, DPdH (talk) 13:54, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It is in no way sufficient. Perhaps the reason you can't find anything better is because it isn't there any more. YSSYguy (talk) 00:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Caudron prod
Morning, I've caused confusion here by not keeping the C.570 article to my sandbox until ready - I forgot the /. However, I have now developed the piece a bit and have a variety of refs re its testing etc, beyond the specs that were there. I'd be happy to have my unintended article deleted and have been in touch with the prodder to that effect. If you are content to leave it to me and my sandbox, rather than to develop the original, I'll have an article ready in a day or two. Leave me a note on my talkpage so we don't work in parallel! Cheers,TSRL (talk) 09:00, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

User reported
Hello there. Just wanted to let you know that I have reported at WP:ANI. Cheers.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 03:37, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

I look forward to seeing how he justifies undoing edits that: Thanks, and cheers. YSSYguy (talk) 04:00, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * fixed bad spelling
 * fixed bad grammar
 * removed unsourced speculation about the future
 * removed advertising
 * removed background colours from a table in accordance with Wikipedia Policy
 * added a better-quality image
 * added better Wikilinks

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Talk:Jean Lapierre
I invite you to ongoing RfC discussion. --George Ho (talk) 19:24, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Helikopter Service Flight 451
Hello YSSYguy, Helikopter Service Flight 451 was a stub that I have added quite a lot of information to. I notice that you have a lot of experience with aviation articles and would appreciate it if you took the time for a peer review. Both for proper english since it is not my first language and other things I most likely have done wrong since I am quite new to Wikipedia. Cheers :-) Treehugger76 (talk) 22:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Map of MH370
I think a map showing where Beijing is in relation to KL should aid understanding of the subject because of how far the plane went off course. However we don't know where the actual crash site is... WhisperToMe (talk) 13:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

You've got mail!
...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:06, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

MJET
I removed the speedy on MJET as it does not seem promotional. It is a small operator, but it seeems notable from trade press coverage and the article is not full of puffery, marketing speak or unsupported claims as far as I can tell. Fences &amp;  Windows  13:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Germanwings Flight 9525
What is wrong with this merge? Valoem  talk   contrib  20:23, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That wasn't a merge, that was a copy-and-paste of an old version of an entire article into another article; take the time to read the procedure for merging. YSSYguy (talk) 00:50, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No that is a valid merge, that version was not contested and there is an agreement for an expansion. We can work off that version. Valoem   talk   contrib  02:17, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand, I Do Not Care about whether anything was contested or not - that was literally not a proper merge, there is a procedure to follow and you did not follow it; go and read the procedure on how to carry out a merging of content. YSSYguy (talk) 03:00, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I did follow procedure please highlight what steps I missed. Valoem   talk   contrib  14:00, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Mejdoub
Hi - Thanks for your contribution on the Abderrahman_El_Majdoub article

I do agree that Algeria didn't exist at that time.

However, Tit, Adrar is defenitly in present day Algeria and has nothing to do with "a village near Azemmour in what is now Morocco"

Thanks again - I'll edit based on that

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 * I am not disputing that there is a town called Tit in Algeria. However the information that he was born in what is now Morocco is sourced; you need to provide a source that this is not correct. YSSYguy (talk) 02:22, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

helicopter crashes
I can understand why you got rid of the FAS and georgian air force helicopter crashes, but why the russian air force one? There is an entire wikipedia page on that crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Khankala_Mi-26_crash 111.69.106.42 (talk) 19:38, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

I've undone your edit and added in what are hopefully considered reliable sources. 111.69.106.42 (talk) 08:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

mh370
why did you delete what I wrote about witnesses on Kudahuvadhoo Island? This is probably the most important sighting. There were many witnesses. --Jane955 (talk) 08:43, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As per my edit summary - it is already mentioned, in the same paragraph. YSSYguy (talk) 08:55, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I had add a ref who fit for all
Why do you remove the referenc i have given who fit for all old airframes of the swiss air force?. With this we have a good sources. In my eyes we dont need the "better source needed". Also because the pdf covers all aircraft of the swiss air force it should be good enough to have it on top of the list. I think its no need to put on every ac the same ref in this list. I add also a few other refs. My question is do we realy need still need the "better source needed" if we have this hermankeist refs AND the pdf from the Swiss Air Force? CU FFA P-16 (talk) 14:17, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I saw that you have startet to put in the PDF from the Swiss Air Force into the list. For this i will say THANK YOU, that is great work from you.FFA P-16 (talk) 14:20, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * @FFA P-16, I didn't remove it you idiot, I moved it; it is now at the bottom of the References section . Don't thank me, do you think I want to waste time cleaning up the mess you leave? You have more than 7,500 edits on Wikipedia in three different languages, you are an experienced editor. Stop being lazy and reference things properly. See, , . You have a lot of work to do... YSSYguy (talk) 14:28, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't seen this. OK, I sayed honestly thank you to you and you are shouting at me and call me an idiot.. no one ever sayed that you have to clean up. I t was not my goal to made you angry by removing the "better source needed" I was thinking this is no more needed wth the pdf. Also I tryed to bring a source to anything you put a "source needed". FFA P-16 (talk) 14:39, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I am not angry and no, I am not shouting. Nobody said you have to make any edits on Wikipedia at all, yet here you are, creating a mess wherever you go.... Are you going to finish referencing the retired fleet table properly, or are you going to leave it as it is and cry and complain over your so-called "rassistic" treatment, when the actual problem others have with you is your incompetence? If I was making all of those bad edits I would be ashamed. YSSYguy (talk) 14:59, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry but this need some time, like you knew I am also active in other wikis. Also you are very agressiv and insulting me non stop. wikipedia is based on teamwork. we should work together not against each other. I never sayd you have to "clean up" after me. No i am not ashamed.. BTW You worked on a MiG-21U on worked on a superconi, you flown with a Superconi...did you also flown with Santas slide? There is only one Supercony who is flying...so you see: So we can beat each other, or work in peace at wikipedia. I realy would prefere to work in peace. Also i will trye to answer everything you put on a "?" search for references you think are needet.FFA P-16 (talk) 15:24, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems you are an idiot; Santa's sleigh (note the apostrophe and the spelling) does not exist. As for the others, I have worked on a MiG-21 and I have flown many times in this Super Constellation (which I assume is what you mean when you incompetently write "Superconi" and "Supercony" - it's "Super Connie" in English) that has been flying in Australia for twenty years and six months. YSSYguy (talk) 15:35, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Well you can tell a lot, without proof ;-) (wher you get the certificat to work on a MiG-21?) .You don't got it that this was a ironic question from me to show you that we can fight endless about everything..or what i would prefere work in peace . It is sad with this conflict because we both are aviatic enthusiast, and we both work/worked on aircraft.FFA P-16 (talk) 15:46, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I do not have proof (or to be accurate, no proof that I am willing to share with you FFA P-16) that I have worked on any of the aircraft I say I have worked on; or that I have flown in any of the aircraft I say I have flown in; or that I have been to the aviation museum in Luzern, or been to Stans airfield and taken a photo of the Mirage III on a pole there, or been anywhere else I say I have been. I did not need a certificate (note the spelling) to work on the MiG-21, someone else was certifying the work. Yes we are both aviation (note the spelling) enthusiasts (note the spelling). No, we are not going to fight endlessly (note the spelling) and no, I did not get (note the spelling) the irony either; perhaps the reason I did not recognize the irony is that I always have to read your words several times to figure out what you are trying to say, which brings me to the difference between us. The difference between you and me is that we both know that we are not very good with the other person's native language, but you choose to ignore that fact and continue to write in English. I would prefer (note the spelling) that you edit the German Wikipedia only - and I know that I am not the only person who thinks this. Oh, one more thing: I just looked at the WP article for Buochs Airport and I can tell, without even looking at the edit history, that you have been editing it, just because of the bad English. You have seen how to reference the retired fleet table properly, I am waiting for you to redeem yourself at least a little bit.... YSSYguy (talk) 16:36, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

That is great that you could work on a MiG-21. No you don't need to share anything about you you don't like to tell me. It is great that you could visit te Museum in Luzern. And Buochs. I visited the Museum many times. I knew Bouchs AFB very good I was there a few years in Military service, also 2003 (the last time the MirageIIIRS was in service). I knew that my english is not good. Because of this i steped back of writing whole Articels her, also i tried to reduce to write only parts /sections. I trye to keep my writing in the english wikipedia to an minimum, but still hold informations up do date.FFA P-16 (talk) 16:50, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Emirates Flight 521
Do you have a subscription to The Australian? Apparently there's a story published of an eye-witness report of the accident (reported on Pprune). The account in the 6th paragraph is definitely worthy of inclusion properly attributed as an eye-witness account IMHO. Mjroots (talk) 09:49, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

For your information
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Click here to see it....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:55, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Virgin Australia International?
G'day! If the above airline still exists, how come there's no mention of it in the main text of the Virgin Australia wiki article, or any specific mention of the entity anywhere in Virgin Australia's Annual Report for 2015 ? best wishes, Sunil060902 (talk) 11:53, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sunil060902, I do not know why there is no mention in the Annual Report, I am not privy to those decisions. However it certainly exists - see this and this, as well as this. The V Australia article and Virgin Australia articles are inaccurate, however there are no sources available to update them. All I can do, is show that VA International exists and from time-to-time post a message on a Talk page. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 12:05, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Cheers for your answer. Having checked VA's own flight booking website here, I can see no mention in their "company overview", but when you go to book a flight, you can see that the flight with number "VA 1" SYD to LAX is indeed operated by a "Virgin Australia International". Weird that, isn't it? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 12:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It gets better Sunil; I haven't checked for a while so I don't know if it is still the case, but in the booking process, some flights used to be displayed as something like "Virgin Australia Airlines Asia operated by Virgin Australia International Airlines". YSSYguy (talk) 12:38, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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Irkutsk Oblast you numpty
--Petebutt (talk) 03:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Petebutt, that's so unspecific as to be useless. You might as well say that the article Eastern Air Lines Flight 401 should be called "Florida TriStar crash", you knob jockey. YSSYguy (talk) 05:32, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Book Uno Zer Zero
I put it there now as "Bibliography" to this topic.. On the Pages Page 314 to page 319 all aircraft types are~documented :Aircraft Type Designation, numbers of this type of aircraft and the year of Introduction and year of decommission:  pictures only to give you  the proof that I don't lie to you about the Book Uno Zero Zero as source This two pictures will get deleted   soon again.FFA P-16 (talk) 19:28, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

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SpiceJet
Regarding my edit in SpiceJet Fleet details, I said SpiceJet company website is outdated. Planspotters.net is little more accurate than SpiceJet's website. Thats the reason why i mentioned the aircraft reg (VT-SLA and VT-SLB) in the edit summary. Also Flightradar24 says SpiceJet has 2 737-700 and it holds current flight details too.

Going by your profile, I understand you are expert in aviation and I hope you do know that, not all airlines in the world update their fleet page in their website frequently.

And regarding total number of a/c i.e., 27 (including 73G and 739) shown in Planespotters.net and 21 738 mentioned in FR24, both didn't include VT-SLE, but very well available in their fleet. Here is the photo of it taken a week back at BOM. Planespotter is slow in updating whereas SpiceJet didn't update at all for a long time.

And still if you are not convinced, let it be as you reverted. After all, wikipedia is not a highly-reliable source as anyone can edit anything. Cheers --Amdmustafa (talk) 07:55, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Merpati Nusantara Airlines Flight 724
Hi YSSYguy, I was going to clean up the references on Merpati Nusantara Airlines Flight 724 but after translating/reading them I'm not sure they can be used. One is a blog that can be removed. Another I'm not sure about. After a brief search I found no other solid refs. If you have time could you take a look? Thanks and have a great day. Samf4u (talk) 12:19, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Explanation required of the Editing on Airblue page
Hi! Recently you've removing some of the content from Airblue's page and the reason provided was that Planespotters.net isn't a reliable source. I may ask you in a polite manner, have you ever tried to do some editing on Planespotters.net by yourself just like on Wikipedia. I, myself could never find that option. They always ask for reference or any of the link of an airline's website if there are any changes in fleet. Can you please explain your stance.

Abdulrafey97 (talk) 12:08, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * G'day Abdulrafey97; first of all, the reason for the removal of content is that I assumed that Planespotters is accurate; there are two separate issues here. Planespotters is regarded by the Wikipedia community as not being a reliable source. My personal opinion is that Planespotters is usually accurate and is better than other similar sites out there. However, I have come across cases where Planespotters' information for a particular airline is incomplete - for instance on the page for Colombian regional airline EasyFly it shows too few BAe J41 aircraft in that airline's fleet; it also says itself that not every aircraft type operated by airlines is supported by the website: "Currently we support all commonly seen modern aircraft types, from small turboprops to four-engined widebodies. Over the time we will try to expand this list to more historic and rarer aircraft types." With respect to the removal of content, I assume you mean the info about two aircraft being leased from Windrose; there was no supporting source in the article about this. It is definitely not mentioned in the Planespotters web page for the airline, so I removed it as unsourced information (I am also inclined to remove the information about the ATR 72-600 for the same reason). So, either the information about the Windrose aircraft is accurate, in which case Planespotters is inaccurate and the Better Source Template is warranted, or Planespotters is accurate and the info about two aircraft being leased from Windrose is wrong. As for FlightRadar, it is also regarded as not being a reliable source. I do not use it much, but I tried searching FR24 a couple of months ago for an Airbus A330 that I had seen and photographed on final approach at an airport at sunset, and could not find any flight history for several A330s registered to that particular airline (a major Chinese airline). I hope this answers your questions. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 12:39, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your explaination. But I regret to say that this all shows me that Wikipedia itself requires a reference website to give details about any topic and in case if the reference website isn't upto date due to any reason, Wikipedia won't be upto date. Abdulrafey97 (talk) 13:17, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes that is the situation, except it does not have to be a website. YSSYguy (talk) 13:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Would you agree that Airblue does has A330 on lease if I show you my booking as A330 is written as the aircraft?

Abdulrafey97 (talk) 14:21, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Aurigny Air Services
I am bemused why you partially reverted my edit to the fleet table for Aurigny Air Services... Your edit summary quotes a link to MOS:ACCESS, but that page has scores of guidelines! Which particular issue caused you concern? Thank you. Carbonix (talk) 14:00, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * In the absence of a response, I have carefully reviewed the guidance at MOS:ACCESS that you quoted as justification.  I found no reason for reverting the edit; also, the colors are fully Compliant, according to the recommended test at []. I have therefore reinstated the improved table format in full, until you can provide a specific referenced rationale for your views.  Thank you. Carbonix (talk) 14:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Shoreline Aviation clarification
Good afternoon YSSYguy, I would like to clarify my purpose in creating the page for Shoreline Aviation, which you have suggested for deletion on the basis of lack of notability and, suggestions I may be a COI writer. My argument for Shorline's validity as a notable company has been solidified by a recent addition to the page of independent articles that highlight Shoreline's role as an air carrier in the northeast (Here is one: articles:http://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2016/06/24/seaplanes-over-manhattan-how-the-well-heeled-crowd.htm). I would appreciate some assistance from the wiki community here rather than blow-backs like this. I can assure you I do not work for Shoreline Aviation or any competing company that seeks to gain anything from this post; I am a commercial pilot but currently fly for an unrelated charter/ corporate carrier. I simply created this page to fill a gap of previously dead links from other pages including that of Tweed New Haven Airport and New York Skyports Seaplane Base. I will continue to improve the page to wiki standards and hope this satisfies to quell your concerns that warranted suggested deletion.

regards, HVNpilot94 — Preceding unsigned comment added by HVNpilot94 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 3 October
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Format of Entries on List of surviving Douglas C-47 Skytrains
First off, I just wanted to say thanks for the help on the List of surviving Douglas C-47 Skytrains article. That list is a herculean task, so I appreciate any help anyone can provide.

I wanted to ask what you thought of the format I was using for the aircraft entries. I had been identifying each airframe by both the USAAC serial number and, if different, whatever identity it carried for the majority of its military service life. I had been doing this by putting the USAAC serial first, followed by a slash, followed by the alternate identity number. My thought was that since the entries on the survivor lists are arranged by order of airframe completion (within whatever larger section they are in), this format would make that job a lot easier. Since I have been working on a lot of these type of survivor lists recently, I put together a little something on my talk page explaining the way I have been doing things. I would appreciate it if you could take a look and tell me what you think.

One problem I currently have with my approach is that I have no good way of indicating what each airframe identity number represents. For example, which country the identity number belongs to, or, in the case of the United States, whether it is a Air Force serial or a Navy Bureau number. I tend to dislike placing abbreviations or explanations (e.g. "AF Ser. No.") before the identity number, since I think it is best to have the identity number be the very first part of the entry. I realize this is necessary because even though both you and I can recognize what type of identity number it is from the format (e.g. dash placement, letters vs. numbers), the average reader might not be.

I'll be honest, at first I was a little miffed that you decided to change the format, but I realize that no one owns an article so I can't be that picky. I also didn't want to change what you had done back to the way I had it because that might seem ungrateful and I didn't want to start any kind of edit war. However, I still think this is a topic worthy of being discussed, so I figured I would ask you for input. I hope you understand. –Noha307 (talk) 20:04, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Reference on Bankstown Airport - Airlines paragraph
Hello. I thought I would tell you that there is no way of knowing for sure as of yet when Airly will launch, although they will be making a major announcement tomorrow. I suspect they will be commencing operations next week, as that will be the beginning of November, which is the second month in their launch target of 2016's third quarter. Not long until tomorrow, though..... trainsandtech (talk) 06:02, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

del-sfo
Hi, you added del-sfo as the longest route, but its not the longest orthodromic (neither the longest esad).--Marc Lacoste (talk) 19:37, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello!
Would you like to provide your input at this discussion regarding references and the Airlines and destinations tables? Thank you! — Sunnya343&#9992; (háblame • my work) 22:40, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

thanks
The NSW newspaper thing is a nightmare waiting to haunt someone - if you have seen the list, you might get my drift.. thanks for your edit JarrahTree 09:15, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

United 737-700 deferral
Can you please stop changing the fleet order on the Boeing 737 MAX9. None of the sources state an order conversion to the MAX, the only state that they are "considering." Stop being ignorant and read the articles right. Airlines0613 (talk) 19:25, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Airlines0613, I did read the articles - two of them anyway. The airwaysmag article says "While the Chicago-based carrier did not announce the deferral date, it is know [sic] that these 61 orders will be converted to the forthcoming 737 MAX 9 aircraft". The Bloomberg story says "United plans to convert the order to the larger, newer Boeing 737 Max"; there is no mention of the word "considering" in either story. I do not have a subscription to the WSJ website so I do not know what its article says. YSSYguy (talk) 12:47, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

You said it yourself, the aircraft will be converted, thus acknowledging that they are still not on the order books. There's no reason to be place on the 737 MAX 9 order count. Airlines0613 (talk) 15:14, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

LaMia Airlines Flight 2933
Re: this edit. The problem with it is that it has removed any evidence that the photograph is of the actual aircraft involved in the accident. Would you consider a partial revert, restoring the history of the aircraft? Mjroots (talk) 11:12, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * G'day Mj, as far as I am concerned it was all just unnecessary clutter that had no bearing on the subject, and I don't think that verifying the info in an image caption is sufficient reason to put any of it back in; better to change the caption or even the image - if we can't have an image of a LaMia RJ85 (I have just nominated the only half-decent image on Commons for deletion as a probable copyvio), why does it have to be of the crashed aircraft in a different airline's livery? It could be any RJ85 at all under those circumstances. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 11:35, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems that events have overtaken this conversation, with another (probable copyvio) image added to the infobox. YSSYguy (talk) 11:42, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * IMHO it is preferable to have a photo of the actual aircraft, subject to quality and licencing. I've reverted the photo change due to copyvio. Mjroots (talk) 11:51, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The short version of my thoughts above is that one RJ85 in the wrong livery - that just happens to be the aircraft with the correct serial number - is much the same as any other RJ85 in the wrong livery. YSSYguy (talk) 11:58, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * In any event, picture quality and licencing are overriding factors. The image we currently have is of the actual aircraft and good quality. Feel free to propose a better image on the article talk page if you can find one. I feel that the image showing two RJ85's in LaMia livery is not of a suitable quality to use. Mjroots (talk) 12:06, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

I have no objection at all to using that image, I just didn't see that putting what I believe to be irrelevant info into the article was required, just to support the caption for that image. I agree with you about the image of the two RJ85s together, which is why I did not use it. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 12:49, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

American Airlines fleet - Boeing 767-300ER
Hi, I noticed that you've kept reverting the changes made to the number of active Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in the American Airlines fleet. Reference 6 on the page ("American Airlines Fleet Details and History" at Planespotters.net) shows that there are now 33 of them active with the airline, not 37 as you keep changing it back to.JamesRenard (talk) 18:07, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * G'day James, I undid the changes because there was no sign that anyone had consulted a source; above the table it says "The following table represents all American Airlines mainline fleet...as of November 2016" and the access date for Planespotters is mid-November, almost three weeks ago. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 18:33, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I actually hadn't noticed that it still said November, that's been changed to December now. The table on Planespotters.net updates regularly and says it was last updated today, even though the access date was from November. JamesRenard (talk) 20:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

LaMia Airlines Flight crash – traductions
G'day. Well, here's what I got: And "pitazo" is, simply, "whistle" (seems that most translation machines have it as "silbatazo"). Cheers and you're welcome.--EdgarCabreraFariña (talk) 11:10, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * "Mero trámite entre el Barcelona y el Gladbach" = "Mere process between Barcelona and Gladbach"
 * "La aerolínea tuvo que acudir hasta a féretros prestados" = "The airline had to resort even to borrowed coffins"