User talk:Yaacov Deyo

October 2020
Hello, I'm 17jiangz1. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Speed dating, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. 17jiangz1 (talk) 19:59, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Yaacov Deyo. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Talk:Speed dating, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the request edit template);
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Conflict of interest);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 22:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Mr. Ollie. On the page in question, I proposed a change, and explained the reasons why. I have no commercial interest in the topic. In my proposal I clearly indicate that I was involved in the very topic referenced. I made no link to an outside organization, and I am doing my best to comply. Have a nice day. 22:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)~


 * No, you changed the article to refer to yourself personally and to promote a book you wrote. Do not do that. - MrOllie (talk) 22:49, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Fascinating. How then does one correct information someone has written about an individual personally that is false? I would assume by citing a published source. What am I missing? Yaacov Deyo (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , That is discussed in the guidelines linked for you above. - MrOllie (talk) 22:59, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay. Let's try the Talk pages. Here are my suggested edits to the main page.

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''Speed dating is a formalized matchmaking process which has the purpose of encouraging eligible singles to meet large numbers of new potential partners in a very short period of time.

SpeedDating, as a single word, is a registered trademark of Aish HaTorah, and -- as a term and as a signature event, was created by Aish HaTorah. These events, in contrast to the broad definition above, consist of several short dates (seven minutes or less) conducted in a coffeehouse or other retail setting, in which there are numerous procedures put in place that ensure participants are treated with respect and dignity, thus avoiding the "meat market" culture prevalent in clubs, bars, and other similar venues. Within weeks of the first events by Aish HaTorah in 1997 -- and the enormous press attention these events created, hundreds of other similar events developed around the world.

Speed dating, as two separate words, is often used as a generic term for these similar events.

The earliest documented example of the concept of round robin dating or speed dating (as the concept came to be known) was by Aryeh (Alan) and Rena Hirsch of Los Angeles in early 1996 who developed the concept as a solution to the problem of typical single events where "only attractive women and outgoing men have success at the end of the evening".[1]

It is apparent, and is acknowledged that the concept created by the Hirschs was the inspiration for the SpeedDating movement[2].''

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As you can see, I've removed any reference to myself. Furthermore, I'm not being paid. I have no connection to Aish HaTorah as an organization. I'm neither plugging a site, nor selling a book. What happens now? Will the page be corrected? Yaacov Deyo (talk) 23:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Adding promotional content about Aish HaTorah (and without an indepenent source) doesn't strike me as a correction. At any rate, suggestions should be made on the associated article talk page, not on your user talk. Please do read the guidelines that have been linked for you. - MrOllie (talk) 23:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Some Proposed Changes
Here are some proposed changes for the HISTORY Section.

NEW INFORMATION: SpeedDating, as a single word, is a registered trademark of Aish HaTorah, and -- as a term and as a signature event, was created by Aish HaTorah. These events, in contrast to the broad definition in the INTRO above, consist of several short dates (seven minutes or less) conducted in a coffeehouse or other retail setting, in which there are numerous procedures put in place that ensure participants are treated with respect and dignity, thus avoiding the "meat market" culture prevalent in clubs, bars, and other similar venues. Within weeks of the first events by Aish HaTorah in 1997 -- and the enormous press attention these events created, hundreds of other similar events developed around the world.

Speed dating, as two separate words, is often used as a generic term for these similar events.

The earliest documented example of the concept of round robin dating or speed dating (as the concept came to be known) was by Aryeh (Alan) and Rena Hirsch of Los Angeles in early 1996 who developed the concept as a solution to the problem of typical single events where "only attractive women and outgoing men have success at the end of the evening".[1] It is apparent, and is acknowledged that the concept created by the Hirschs was the inspiration for the SpeedDating movement[2].

REASONS FOR EDIT CHANGES: The original round robin events created by the Hirschs were never called speeddating or speed dating, were much longer in length -- over twice the time, and did not include any of the several specific procedures which defined SpeedDating as a concept, and propelled its growth into a phenomenon. The edits proposed detail this distinction, give proper credit to the Hirschs for their invention while according appropriate credit to Aish HaTorah for the work that was done.

Presently, the article misleadingly presents the history as: there were events in a living room and a copyright by Aish HaTorah. What? That's it?

It would be like someone inventing a disposable, relatively soft paper to use for blowing one's nose, and equating it with the creation and worldwide use of Kleenex. There are similarities and there are big differences. Thank you. Yaacov Deyo (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2020 (UTC)