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Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922)
Thanks for your edit at Greek War of Independence. You might want to take a look at Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) as well. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 09:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Q
Long time no talk. Wondering just when Battle of Greece is going to be nomed. You did a fine job. Ceoil 18:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Your perfectionism is one the reason I hang around here. I want to do for Francis Bacon what you did for El Greco, and perhalps someday to Goya and Velasquez. My fear is that I'll still be here in 2014 stating the same aspiration. Such hopes and dreads! If you do nom let me know so I can help respond. Ceoil 19:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Re EC Assembly hall "Can you see me?!" - I'm hoping you are 2nd from the right, but guessing you are third from the right. Am i right? Eh, first from the left would also be acceptable. ;-) Ceoil 16:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not that you are not a handsome man, but oh well. Ceoil 18:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It was fun talking to you Yannis; there is so much stress on this website its nice to meet a friendly face every so often. Ceoil 19:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't let this go. You said you were my second choice. Read carefully. Fourth. Ceoil 19:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

if we look from the same angle and direction!
Hate to break it to you, but although I see he respects you, this is how Tony imagines you. Ceoil 23:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha! Now a have a crick in my neck. Tony 01:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And you need to calm down! Don' delete other people's messages, as I am afraid you did with Wikidea's in a crisis of panic (if I am wrong, then the message was deleted by a divine force ... Hmmmmm ....). Yes, I am even more handsome like that, but, guys, OK, calm down!--Yannismarou 08:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, whatever fun you all had while I was traveling, I guess I missed most of it! Good thing, I was *not* in a fun mood, but I think I've recovered my good-fisted humor :-) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:Caragiale
Thank you, Yannis. I also spoke to Future Perfect, and both of you agree that it couldn't have been anything but Hydra. It also seems I was wrong when I assumed that it could not have been that island: I was going by details furnished in Romanian sources, and they didn't seem to add up (in other words, they sent me on a wrong path).

Concerning your suggestion: yes, I was considering that as well. I have a subarticle cooking in another sandbox, and I'm seriously considering moving most of the final parts to an article on his cultural legacy. But I want to add all the info in one place first, and I still have some sources to go through. After that, I'll also be merging many of the citations.

Thank you again, and let me know if I can repay the favor. Best, Dahn 21:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Treaty of Devol
Hey Yanni. I saw that the Treaty of Devol is on FAR and that you are working on keeping it and I would just like to offer my assistance. I have several book s at the moment about the Crusades and the Byzantine Empire and these might be useful. Anyway, tell me if you would like the help. Kyriakos 21:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Yannis
Thanks for your comments on the Law page; I was getting around to asking you to have a look at another one I've been working on, the History of economic thought page - it's still very much in draft form, and as you can see down the bottom, there's some stuff that I haven't yet got around to writing. But since you were such a fine chap in helping out before (and since I keep seeing you doing such a fine job in writing more things, e.g. the Byzantine Empire article) I was going to ask for your input on developing it further. I feel personally from recent re-readings that I've done the stuff from about John Stuart Mill better (and I think that the bit on Aristotle is good too??) but it needs a bit more flow, and the style that you know how to add to articles. Anyway, they say that flattery gets you nowhere, so that's enough from me, and if you could have a squizz, I'd be grateful.  Wik idea  00:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for your replies, and all the tips. I'm thinking maybe the only thing to do is take it into three parts (one up to Adam Smith, one up to Keynes and one since Keynes). Oh how I wish there wasn't a real world to do work in sometimes!  Wik idea  13:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Byzantine navy guy
Hey Yannismarou, thanks for the work on Treaty of Devol...I never had the time to fix that article and bring it up to current FA standards. Also, I see you have been reverting the Byzantine navy anon on Manuel Comnenus...well he has been adding that stuff to a lot of other articles, under various IP numbers. I never questioned the numbers, but should they all be reverted? (He also has an annoying habit of writing in the historical present tense...) Adam Bishop 04:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Help
Hello again Yanni. I'm working on a new article (the Cleomenean War]]) and I am close to completing it and I would like someone to copyedit it. But unfortunately the people that I get to copyedit my articles usualy hvent been active for a while and I was wonderig if you know any one who might be able to help with this. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Kyriakos 10:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks Yanni. You can ce better than me and I'm a native speaker of english. haha. thanks for what you have done so far and thanks for the recomendations. I'll ask them to have a look. Kyriakos 21:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Macedonia (sigh)
I think your version is reasonable. If this mess ever gets to FAC I will request a better source on the Greek government's record; but Kekrops' OR in fact describes my plaint well enough. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * What OR? You're the one suggesting a totally implausible interpretation of a very straightforward piece of English. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 02:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Battle Of Greece
Can i ask you why you have removed correct information regarding the number of troops evacuated from Greece. Sources place the number at just over 50 000 however you have edited the article to state it was just over 42 000.

You have edited out reasons why so many British troops surrended, have edited out that the Yugoslavs took part, that other nationalities were with the British troops when they surrended and deleted some referances to the British Official Histories.

Is this not basically vandalising the article?

I would love to hear from you about this and prehaps discuss it further, if you would be so kind and email me on logi2007@hotmail.co.uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.14.135 (talk) 16:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No it is not, since I mention my sources, which are more recent than yours (you cited a book of 1952 I think), give more accurate numbers, and are more credible. Can you explain me how your 50,000 soldiers evacuated along with the 14,000 captured or dead give us the 58,000 of the total Commonwealth force? They just don't! And that is why Richter (using the official British records) and Encyclopedia of Battles are more accurate than your sources. How did the Yugoslavs take part? Some soldiers that managed to come to Greece? Is this an official participation? When expected to help, they did not, because they were unable to after the German blitzkrieg. Is this an official participation of a country in a war?! Of course not! And, unfortunately, you have no idea of what is a vandalism ... Nothing else to add.--Yannismarou 16:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The book form 1952 is the OFFICIAL BRITISH HISTORY (the work comissioned by the government to give an official history of the British involvement in the second world war, the paticular volume talking about Middle East and Med theater with the revelant chapter dedicated to Greece - and is rather accurate when it comes down to figures (otherwise they wouldnt be used as source material so much and the NZ and Aussies ones wouldnt near enough match up when it comes down to stats).

The book cites, men embarked what units they came from, where they embarked and the ships that got them away. Its a figure which includes, British, Ausies, New Zealand, Greek, Yugoslav (including rear area personel such as the RAF) and other nations fighting the Germans and Italians in Greece. That gives a much more correct and accurate impression of the number of men the RAF and Royal Navy got off Greece.

Official participation of the Yugolsav forces ... they were at war with the Axis, they had been invaded. So men had slipped out of the country and linked up with the Anglo-Greek units, they fought rearguard actions with our men, they surrended with our men, they were lifted off with our ships etc What else do you want or need?

A sentance which explained why around 7000 troops surrended to the Axis forces (the vast majoirty being British, a chunk were Palestinians, Cypriots, Yugoslavs, Greeks and other CW forces made up the rest was delted. This sentance, stating the time, place, the officer who surrended the men and the reason why added to the article and showed how hard the men had fought guess that was deleted for being irrlevant, sourced from an "inaccuarate and old book" and vandism eh?

- 13/09/2007
 * No, my friend, it was removed, because of bad prose, and because all these details were not needed (did I say anything about vandalism - I am a sysop here and I tend to be careful on these issues). And concerning the figures, I tell you that I use the official figures of the official (actually semi-official, ) British data compared with the Australian semi-official data. I can give you all the figures, if you want. Try to accept that since 1952 more accurate researches and more data may have been published. And why more than one sources insist on the figure 41-42,000? Hm?! And, by the way you still do not explain me how 50,000+14,000 (16,000 according to Australian sources, but the British ones are regarded as more credible) make 58,000. And thank you for informing that Yugoslavia was attacked, but it was attacked during the invasion of Yugoslavia. And the men that may have fought in Greece were no official expeditionary body, like the one of New Zealand or Australia. So, where is Yugoslavia's participation in the Campaign? Anyway, this is my personal opinion. If you insist on readding Yugoslavia, I will not revert, but, concerning the figures I am not convinced.--Yannismarou 22:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

"because there is nothing like exactly "official" data"

You will find on this wiki the complete (as far as i know) British WW2 Official History of the Second World War: http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=History_of_the_United_Kingdom_in_the_Second_World_War

50732 men were embarked from base units, Div, Corp and HQ units, RAF personnel, strangellers from the Yugoslav and Greek armies along with the NZ Div, Ausie brigades and the British units.

But then new research has lowered that number down by 8000 men, where did they disappear to?

The Aussie Official History: http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/histories/18/chapters/07.pdf Gives a figure around 47000, but misses a beach off and the colelction of an additional 1000+ men between the 29th and 1st which brings it practically level with the British account (one would note the Aussie account notes more troops getting away on certain days then the British account, one will also note the official mention of Palestian and Cypriots with the force).

Official New Zealand History: http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2Gree-b1.html

One will note that were the New Zealands give a figure simlar to the British one, theres is slightly lower by a few hundred men.

So all 3 sources, all compiled on behalf of each respected government is wrong?

As regards to the credability of the British document, i clearly stated you will find allot of books the authors use the official histories as source data. For example Anthony Beevor in his book Crete the battle and the resistance cites both volumes I and II of the British Med and Middle East series as source data.

Sorry i have no idea where you keep this 58 000 figure from and fine disagree on the issue (disregarding the issuse) of the Yougoslav troops taking part in the defence of the country. It was my impression that the articles on the wiki were to be there for people to be educated and if by showing that some other force, even if it was just a few thousand exiles then its done its job and educated people that the Yugoslav force didnt just disintergrate they went onto fight elsewhere.


 * Leave aside inappropriate comments about education. You can check on my "poor education" here. And now let's see the sources you mention, and which I do know, because I am writing this article for almost 6 months, in order to bring it to its current status (while you edited twice?). And, by the way, do not alter my edits - this is unacceptable. If you want to quote, copy, do not cut:
 * I go to the Long's semi-official (and not official! I insist!) story for Australia that I knew, before you mentioned it. Go to pages 182-183. Long gives total strength of the Commonwealth forces 62.612, and losses 16.111. Therefore, evacuated 46,000. Nothing close to your 50,000! Do you want other sources? Here they are:
 * The "US Center of Military History" (another "official" history!) gives an expeditionary force of 53,000 with 11,844 captured. Therefore according to this "official" research c. 41,000 were evacuated.
 * Richter (1998), 597, researched all the "official" sources and gives an expeditionary force of 58,048, evacuated 42,311, losses 15,740 . He cites Buckley and Franke and is the most credible source IMO. In page 598 he also gives Long's data, having reservations for both British and Australian statistics. According to the most credible Greek sources (Encyclopedia "The Helios", "History of Greece", p. 441), the total force of the British expeditionary force were c. 60,000, something that confirms the British data given by Richter.
 * McClymont (whom I also knew before you mentioned him to me, and again it is a semi-official source) gives the same data with Long concerning total force and casualties, and he indeed gives 50,000 for embarkations, but notes that "The embarkation figures in the naval reports do not always agree with these totals, but the differences are understandable if it is remembered that the embarkations took place at night and in great haste and that among those evacuated there were Greeks and refugees." So, if we do not include Greeks and refugees, and stick on the Commonwealth force we indeed have c. 45,000.
 * Encyclopedia of Battles gives the number 41,000 for the evacuated forces.


 * As you can see, I have also researched the issue ... Anyway, I will edit the article accordingly, in order to expose all the different sources and versions concerning the evacuation figures.--Yannismarou 10:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello. Some time ago you reviewed an article about Eugenio Espejo, to which I countributed considerably. It has been recently promoted to Good Article after two failed nominations. I just wanted to thank you for your helpful review, which was sort of the "backbone" of the article itself. —Dalobuca 20:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Johnny Bright peer review help and suggestions
Thank you very much for the suggestions on the Johnny Bright article. I made the suggested merges (early life & college career; post football career & death), and greatly reduced the Johnny Bright Incident section. I will try to do more research and bolster up the early life/family history and post football career & death sections as you suggested as well. The only issue I had was the suggestion not to wikilink separate years. I think you were talking about the years in the professional career section. Each of those years are linked to their corresponding CFL football seasons. I thought those were proper links based on the subject matter and context of the section. Let me know what you think. Thanks again. Sundevilesq 16:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Daddy...
Don't chide me again. Please don't be cross. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't hurry! I'll read the article, and we'll see!--Yannismarou 14:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, that's great, can you look up in Triandaphyllidis, Vol. 1, p. 66-68, if he says anything about the geographical distribution of the "tobatera" vs. "tombatera" thing? See my section about "nasals and voiced plosives" and the footnote there. Thanks! Also, if he has any maps with information that isn't yet in ours, perhaps you could scan them so we can see what we can integrate here? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Congrats
Hey Yanni, congrats on the Battle of Greece getting a star. You have a made it into IMOP one of the best articles in Wikipedia. Anyway congrats. Kyriakos 06:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Kyriako, for your kind words.--Yannismarou 11:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Manuel I Komnenos and Russia
Hi, the whole of the first part of the section is adapted from the relevant pages of Obolensky's book, if you feel like repeating the citation for each para feel free. Urselius 19:53, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Where!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EC_Assembly_hall.jpg ??!!Tourskin 07:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Check User talk:Yannismarou, and admire me!--Yannismarou 07:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * admiring... (yeah right, show off - lol!)Tourskin 02:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Byzantine Empire and historical maps
talessman

1. Thanks for letting me know; I've never used the "talk" pages nor my own talk page, so I had no idea they were being deleted.

2. I only added these maps because I think it's great for readers to get the impressions of the world in which the Byzantines (Romans) lived. Their neighbors, trading partners, etc. Provides a very in-depth look at their environment and what their world was like.

3. IF my maps are incorrect, I openly welcome comments and/or questions! If you read the "disclaimer" I put on each one, you'll see that I don't claim they are perfect, and sometimes sources conflict. Please email me at talessman@yis.us with those comments and what info you have to back that up. That way I can CORRECT those maps (if they are inaccurate). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talessman (talk • contribs) 18:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Gilbert Perreault
Thanks for weighing in at WP:PR. It seems that despite your response the other concerned editor removed many references. Your opinion on this matter is welcome at Talk:Gilbert_Perreault.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922)
Greetings!

Please refer to the above page for a suggestion on getting this article back on track.

Cordially, Drieux 03:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:Georgakis monument in Corfu.JPG
Hi Yannis, my image has been listed for deletion in the Commons. It's a legal case about copyright and I think you are a natural for it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I also found a copy of the Greek copyright law here. I realise you may be busy and my request is without any assumed or preconceived obligation on you part, (see I already started using legal-sounding disclaimers!), but it would be great if you assisted. Ευχαριστώ πολύ και πάλι. Με φιλικούς χαιρετισμούς. Τάσος (Dr.K. 16:43, 6 October 2007 (UTC)).

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Deesis
Hi - Am I right here? Please correct if necessary & maybe add the Greek characters. Many thanks. Johnbod 23:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! Johnbod 12:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Gaius Julius Caesar I
I think you may be interested in this AFD. Thanks Jbeach56 01:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The Barnstar of WPGreece
I haven't seen any revised Barnstars of WPGreece awarded yet. Let's make a start. Odysses (&#9756;) 14:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! It is a pleasure to see that even when I am away I get barnstars. What I can say is that from Monday you'll start seeing again Yannismarou you knew. And this is a promise!--Yannismarou 10:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey
You will see I've left your genocide crap alone, just let me improve the rest of the article if thats ok. That means removing paragraphs which have NOTHING to do specifically with human rights of Kurds in Turkey. Any general discussion on human rights should go in - you guessed it - Human rights in Turkey. Regards, --A.Garnet 13:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I'm inviting you to comment on the talk page. I've made my case for the removal of that material quite clear, it seems no one is willing to reply. About that sentence, the last part seemed a bit of generalization without a source so I removed it. --A.Garnet 11:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Dyrrhachium (1081)
Hey Yanni, nice to see you back. I was wonering if you had the time if you would be able to have a look at the Battle of Dyrrhachium (1081) and give me some suggestions before I push it towards FAC. Thanks. Kyriakos 20:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the review Yanni and for supporting the article's FAC. Kyriakos 20:48, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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Mango Cyril.
Mango is the author of the Byzantine history book because he wrote the preface, he is one of the listed contributors on the "list of contributors" page and there is no other mentioned name.

Respectfully,

Tourskin 05:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * o i see its a different author for each section? well i should have seen that one, i do own the book, but obviously dont read it well enough. ok sorry bout that. Tourskin 20:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yasser Arafat
Hey Yannismarou, I have addressed the corruption issues in the Yasser Arafat article and the general build-up of the PNA. I used your Forgione reference to back the allegations of the torture accusations of Arafat and the Preventive Security Service. I will add in the promotion of Abbas to Prime Minister wherever it is appropriate in the article. I'll still build more on the building of the PNA real soon. Hoping for your thoughts on the article! Cheers! --Al Ameer son 01:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Anthemoessa
Hi! I created a page called Anthemoessa. It's about the island of the Sirens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthemoessa Would you mind editing it please? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 07:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Classification of admins
Hi Yannismarou. Please consider adding your admin username to the growing list at Classification of admins. Best! -- Jreferee    t / c  23:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

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List of works by William Monahan
Yannismarou, do you have the time to review the list of works by William Monahan that is currently at WP:FAC? You have often provided useful reviews in the past, esp. with the Aaron Sorkin article I passed at FAC earlier this year. Any comments or edits you could provide would be appreciated.-BillDeanCarter (talk) 13:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas


Hello Yannis! I wish you a Merry Christmas and all the best in the new year. - Darwinek (talk) 12:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)