User talk:YellowMonkey/Archive104

Happy
Happy 1-0, happy new year and where would you like my c-e skills? --Dweller (talk) 12:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd like you on the Invincibles! Everywhere. I am starting a separate one for all of them along the line of Keith Miller with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948! It should be good to farm from 1948 Ashes series and rearranging and padding all the other set.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Why would we do that when the FT is so well-advanced? Surely our efforts are best placed getting each biog and the main articles to FA or GA? --Dweller (talk) 12:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't take a lot actually. I had to expand all the Five Test reports to twice as large (done on my computer) and then after that I cut the relevant parts to the individual tour articles and then pad with scorecards of the other matches. It only takes about 3 hours per individual tour article to get it in place by integrating all the other parts and adding the tour matches. I've got 16 of the individual reports done, only Loxton hasn't been started on. Then all that is needed is the infoboxes for the tour stats and the batting graph for the tour, a lead and a section on playing role, responsibilty in the team.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Message from JSR
Most recently I have rewritten ISRO, Vainu Bappu, and History of measurement systems in India articles. You are invited to take take a look!

 JSR   0562  19:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure I will.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Tetrarch tank FAC
Hi there! Woody suggested to come to you, and so I do, on bended knee and hat in hand. I'm taking Tetrarch (tank) through FAC at the moment, and apparently there are prose issues preventing it from being passed. Woody says he isn't that good at prose, but suggested you are. Is there any way you could give Tetrarch (tank) a copy-edit in the next few days? I'd be extremely greatful. Thanks for any help, Skinny87 (talk) 14:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In principle, yes, time permitting,  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ray Lindwall with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
Reminding myself.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Cantonese/Vietnamese sockpuppet
I think this editor is a sockpuppet. The theme is the same we've seen from the same editor (with 20 or 30 or more accounts now) Reversion of edit here. Thanks, Badagnani (talk) 00:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What's the behavioural similarity for this?  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks, I have added the entry. I am new with this, so if you want to help, it would be appreciated. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 03:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Happy New Year! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks again, another fun year in Adelaide no doubt?  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 04:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I would expect so - as long as the Oz cricket team and the economy can get over their woes, and as long as we can keep away from politicians.
 * (And it would be nice to be allowed to water the garden ... )
 * Regards, Pdfpdf (talk) 07:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I see a correlation between the Australian cricket team and the slowing up of WP:AUS
 * McGrath <-> Casliber (bird lovers)
 * Adam Gilchrist <-> Giggy (dashers with the same initials)
 * Shane Warne <-> Mattinbgn (Victorian and cricket)


 * All have slowed down on the FAs dramatically in recent times and they stopped writing FAs in the same chrono order as the cricketers retired. Warne-McGrath-Gilchrist and Mattinbgn-Casliber-Giggy as far as Aussie FAs. And, we've started struggling without them.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Fascinating! But like many "obvious" things, (once they have been pointed out), I guess it's not altogether unlikely that such a thing might have happened. I believe the appropriate expression is "fair weather friends"? Regards, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:18, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy new year to you
And many more FA's, DYK's ... BTW, Srirangam99 is back from his block and causing havoc on Chola Dynasty.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 15:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Locked,  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: RFC
Sorry, something must have gone wrong with the template. It's Talk:Missing in action. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
And a very Happy New Year to you, YellowMonkey! I wish you a prosperous 2009, and a smooth FAC process for the (no doubt) many FAs you add to your collection this year. Thanks for the banana split :) Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks, and to you as well! I will indeed have other interesting articles for you to read in the coming year. Cirt (talk) 04:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and a happy new year to you and yours, as well! –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  05:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, happy New Year to you too! Haha, here's the Fanboy! Maybe I'll get working on that article again someday... :-) Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 05:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and happy new year.--Grahame (talk) 05:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I won't create another subsection entitled "happy new year". But I'll say it here, thanks and happy new year to you too. Darn recentism! Seems like everything in the news these days is getting an article. --IvoShandor (talk) 05:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * And to you as well, may it not have pink spots, or anything signed by bernie madoff - cheers SatuSuro 05:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)



File:WikiGDP.png
Can you do this, but for all states? I particularly want to see how Belarus stacks up against the other countries of the world. Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Err I guess I could but I think I left the formula there so that anyone can do it. 3 for FA, 2 for A, 1 for GA.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

USer:Sea888
this is really out of hand, i know you know david personally, and you both vietnamese, can you tell him to stop removing material just because its chinese? i know you probably live in australia with him, why don't you have a talk about this and stop him messing with all the articles

or are you david himself with a proxy ip?
 * Goodo, rather funny seeing as I banned him,  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Colin McCool with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948

 * You've probably heard by now that the DYKbot is down and that its operator left permanently. Hopefully it will be added to the Toolserver soon. So please keep checking to see if updates are needed.  Royal broil  13:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, very unfortunate.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXIV (December 2008)
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 02:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:FILMS Questionnaire
As a member of WikiProject Films, you are invited to take part in the project's first questionnaire. It is intended to gauge your participation and views on the project. At the conclusion of the questionnaire, the project's coordinators will use the gathered feedback to find new ways to improve the project and reach out to potential members. The results of the questionnaire will be published in next month's newsletter. If you know of any editors who have edited film articles in the past, please invite them to take part in the questionnaire. Please stop by and take a few minutes to answer the questions so that we can continue to improve our project. Happy editing! This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * done thanks,  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Happy new year, i've just noticed your fantastic work on cricket articles! By the way do you go for the Aussies or India? Aaroncrick (talk) 10:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, Australia in the general history of it, particularly the olden day teams, although not this current team. I can't stand Ponting. Although I think the Indian media is even worse quality than the Australian tabloid press and can't stand them, especially the really bad television commentators they have. Although the Indians who write for Cricinfo, as with all of the Cricinfo staff are tremendous. I do wonder why the Indian media go so soft on their players for being so lazy though. Deificiation for you.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

... to you, too, my dear friend. :) I hope you had a wonderful time during celebrations and that the 2009 will be joyful and bountiful for you. - Darwinek (talk) 10:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

And a Happy New year to you also. Here's a small gift you might enjoy. –Moondyne 12:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou my friend; and a HNY to you too. (Is it just my sick mind, or have you chosen as your user name a phrase that would serve as a nasty racist attack against yourself?) Hesperian 12:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not how I see it of course, although last year a fellow said that the monkey in the Australia blazer was a jibe against Andrew Symonds.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Same to you amigo and hope you had a great Christmas! I had a book on Vietnam for Christmas, wonderful! The Bald One      White cat 15:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and a happy one to you as well.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 20:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message. I wish you the best for 2009.  JSR   0562  03:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind well wishes for the New Year; may 2009 bring you health, happiness, and many FAs !! Sandy Georgia (Talk) 04:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year back from me, too. Hopefully we might meet at a future Adelaide meetup. Scott Davis Talk 08:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year ! Work is still quite tight, so would be on-and-off for a few more months. Tintin 17:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

And a happy 2009 to you as well! I see your additions to the Perry article; elsewhere Haigh described Perry's biography of Bradman as a "book-shaped object"! Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 09:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's quite polite. I can only imagine what the proper writers would say about Perry in private,  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy new year
To you too. Grant |  Talk  18:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

To you too my friend. Take care -- Samir 21:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I thank you back, YellowMonkey, for all your help at DYK and your helpful advice for FA.  Royal broil  13:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy 's Day!
For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thankyou very much, very kind.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Chola dynasty
Hi! Someone has messed up with the lead section of Chola dynasty article which you had protected.Please do have a look. Thanks- Ravichandar My coffee shop 05:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks,  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, that was my mistake. I don't know how that happened; it may be because I recently changed my browser. Anyway, I now merged your corrections with the compromise version which I had created as a basis for mediation. (SeeTalk:Chola Dynasty for details). Wish me success! &mdash; Sebastian 05:48, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Military career of Keith Miller photographs
Hi YellowMonkey, I was having a browze through through the above article you nominated for GA, and was woundering if the Australian War Memorial online collections database had any photos of Miller during the Second World War. Sure enough, I found a few after a bit of a search and thought that you might be interested. The ID numbers are: Well, I hope you find this interesting and/or perhaps helpful. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 11:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * SUK14661
 * P02218.001
 * UK2968
 * UK2970
 * SUK14459
 * SUK14491
 * SUK14519
 * SUK14520
 * SUK14525
 * SUK14643
 * SUK14645
 * SUK14649
 * SUK14650
 * P02218.004
 * SUK14375
 * SUK14529
 * SUK11623
 * P.S. the AWM also has an brief article on Miller here. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 11:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah thanks, did you spot any oddities about the military stuff that might seem a bit suspicious. The author of that book is very sloppy so I had to fix up some of the cricket info data. Unfortunately, the UK photos go under the 70-year rule so we can't use any of them.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 04:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I havn't had a good read of the prose, but I bet the information should be fine. Also, it was my understanding that any photo contained in the Australian War Memorial collections would come under either A or E of PD Australia if they were produced before the appropiate dates. If so, the above images should be fine. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, for photos in Australia, then it would be ok if it was pre-1955 regardless, but I thought photos taken in England were 70 years after the photographer died. Or is there some loophole somehwere? The photos are basically all from the Victory Test in England in 1945 or his air base in the UK.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 05:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * From reading something on copyright on the Australian War Memorial website, it indicated anything in their collections would come under PD Australia criterion E, in that the photographs they hold are officially owned by the Australian Government. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I am not entirely certain on this, but here's my two cents all the same:

Under international treaty, Australia acknowledges and protects copyrighted materials produced by other countries, so if a work created in the U.K. is under copyright there, then it is under copyright here too.

It is hard to think of a way in which these might have fallen into the public domain. Merely acquiring the physical photograph does not imply that one has acquired the copyright, else I could claim copyright over every book on my bookshelf, by virtue of having purchased a physical copy. Even if the AWM has acquired the copyright (which we have no right to presume without solid evidence), that doesn't reset the clock on expiration, or we could transfer our copyrights to our children and keep copyright intact forever. I figure the only way these could be in the public domain is if the copyright holder has expicitly released them into the public domain.

Finally, remember that what we are really interested in is whether or not these photos are in the public domain in the U.S., where the Wikimedia servers are located. From the U.S. perspective, the country of origin would the U.K., irrespective of who now owns the original.

Hesperian 06:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Aside from what Bryce says, which I endorse, from a practical perspective I've used AWM-held pictures from before 1955 under PD-Australia Criterion A, and ones from between 1955 and 1958 under Criterion E, some of which were taken in the UK and other countries, and had no challenges on ACRs and FACs. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course, if the AWM didn't hold copyright on the photographs, I have reason to believe the British Government would, in which case the photos would come under critera A of PD UK Government which states: "It is a photograph created by the United Kingdom Government and taken prior to 1 June 1957". Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 10:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * But is the GoUK = Department of Defence of UK. I guess so, but that still leaves the sport photos, which appear not to have been taken by military personnel in their duties with the armed services?  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I suppose the sports photos would not come under the UKGov PD, and whether they are still under copyright or not is a major issue here. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Bainer. I think you're legal expertise may help here. Do you know if pictures stored at the Australian War Memorial or its website are automatically owned by the AWM and PD under criterion E of PD-Australia. I didn't think that this was the case, but User:Abraham, B.S. thinks that I should be able to use them on Military career of Keith Miller - discussion here User_talk:YellowMonkey. These photos include photos taken in the UK, in the 1940s, where a 70 years after death rule applies, but he is suggesting that an AWM stored photo falls under PD-Aus even though all of these photos were taken in the UK.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 05:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Photos taken outside Australia can still be governed by Australian copyright law. It mainly depends on the identity of the photographer (were they an Australian citizen resident in Australia, or an Australian corporation? if so, then it can be governed by Australian law) and the first place of publication (if in Australia, then it can be governed by Australian law). I haven't checked them all, but many of them seem to have been made by the UK company Sport & General Press Agency Ltd (or someone working for them) so they're probably not governed by Australian law.
 * This is an area that depends on authorship rather than ownership, so even if the AWM owns the copyright (they may, though they probably just own a copy of the original) then UK law may still be the governing law.
 * Hope that helps. --bainer (talk) 05:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The photos are PD, though I'm not sure if the PD-Aus template should be used. The AWM website has advice on the copyright status of items in its online database at (in short, all pre-1 May 1969 photos are PD 50 years after they were taken) and the AWM has been uploading photos taken in Japan and Korea in the late 1940s and early 50s to Flickr as having 'no known copyright restrictions' at . Nick-D (talk) 07:09, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Wonder how they came to this conclusion.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 07:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

A great result for a number of Australian articles, and not just military history. I think Nick-D is right about not using PD-Australia given that it starts "This image was created in Australia ...". Perhaps a PD-AWM template is needed? -- Mattinbgn\talk 07:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What is the legal basis for this?  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 07:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, the Bluff Act? Having another look at the AWM copyright page, the most relevant passage is "Works created overseas are protected by international copyright agreements of which Australia is part. The information supplied in this document applies to Australian materials. Copyright protection may differ in other countries" which I guess complicates things. -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Stumped!?!?!!? I am.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

If I can just add one more issue into the mix: remember that what is really important here is whether these are in the public domain in the US, where the Wikimedia servers are. So how the US treats foreign works comes into play: works that were in the public domain in their home country prior to 1 January 1996 are in the public domain in the US, but works that were still under copyright in their home country on 1 January 1996 are treated as if they were US works, and receive the same duration of copyright as US works. So a photo taken in Australia in 1947 is in the public domain in Australia but remains under copyright in the US. Go figure. Hesperian 22:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * So we should delete the 1947-55 era pictures then? I hope not. At least we can hide behind the AWM I hope.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi BL, I'm not an expert on copyright law, but my understanding is that "photos created in Australia" can include pics taken overseas by an Australian photographer for use primarily in Australia. Cheers, Grant  |  Talk  22:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Perry and errors
I read your blog post on the subject; very well argued. As I said earlier, surely his publishers have editors; don't they give the manuscript to anyone with some knowledge of the subject? I don't think cricket books need formal referees per academic publishers but some basic fact-checking must be in order. The factual errors are one thing, the creating of whole lines of speculation on little or no evidence is worse.

Re: Hassett, as you can probably tell my attention has been elsewhere at present. I brought myself a new camera a few months ago and it has occupied much of my wiki time at the moment. I am feeling keen to get going again and will shortly. All the best for the new year! Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 09:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't have much view on Fingleton: I don't have any of his books and confess I rather took against him a very long time ago because his Test Match Special summarising always seemed so waspish (the choice at close of play was between pompous Swanton and waspish Fingleton: the Off switch usually seemed the best option!). There's a nice essay on him in a book of portraits of 11 cricketers or cricket people by the UK writer David Foot (Beyond Bat and Ball). Foot knew (and liked) Fingleton, but the gist of Foot's piece (as I read it) is that Fingleton's talent as a writer was for analysis and anecdote, and that he was the sum of several, sometimes contradictory opinions. Foot doesn't quite go so far as to say that this may have made Fingleton a little cavalier with facts... but it's perhaps a reasonable inference.
 * Enjoyed your blog. Where you find the energy to do that as well as all the work you do on WP I don't know. Best wishes to you for 2009. Johnlp (talk) 13:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: this edit. I added the note because being a BLP, I thought it only fair to make the same disclosure than Haigh made himself in the essay I pulled the quote from. Without a doubt, any reasonably knowledgeable cricket scholar would come to the same conclusion but given that reviews this one ("Perry's work, much like Bradman himself, is head and shoulders above the competition") exist I thought it prudent to be fair. However, happy to be guided by your opinion on this topic. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 06:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Reading down the page of the attached review I see your comment! Hear, hear I say. -- Mattinbgn\talk 06:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

This review of another book of his may be worth reading as well! -- Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 07:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried adding the link to my article although it probably got cut off as a spamming attempt. Pity I haven't bought anything on amazon it won't let me post there. I tried posting on the ABC shop as well don't know if it got through yet. Maybe I should drop the ABC a line about them having only the best writers please. And as for Gideon Haigh, he pointed that footnote out to me when I emailed him with my list of Perryisms. :) Of course I guess we can note that Haigh made his own disclosure. I'll tell him of your opnion of him wrt Perry though!  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk to me, please
Hi!

I have sent an e-mail regarding [ your indefinite blocking] of User:Malyctenar to checkuser-l on November 5. As you did not respond at all, I have sent you a personal e-mail (via WP:EMAIL) on December 18. Again, not a single word of reply, and Malyctenar is still blocked. I know this block is a mistake, so that I would like you to unblock Malyctenar. But at the very least, could you please reply? (I don’t care if here, on checkuser-l, or directly to my e-mail.)

Thanks, --Mormegil (talk) 13:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I blocked them on the basis of direct hits and having the same editing interests.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Cricket
I think the Australian media are quick to put the blame on someone now that the team is struggling. Ricky Ponting would be my favourite player, haha. I can't stand Harbhajan Singh, but Sachin Tendulkar is a hero. Aaroncrick (talk) 07:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I should start carrying on my blog like Neil Harvey! How I'd like to see the likes of Alan Davidson and Stan McCabe in action!  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Hellloo.. Why did u delete??
Hellloo MR YELLOW MONKEY.. Why did u delete MEMBERSHIP DRIVE section from Tehreek-e-Insaf article?? Whats the problem? HUH —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khm22 (talk • contribs) 12:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think is a promotional piece.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)