User talk:YellowMonkey/Archive128

Bravery
'tis a brave thing you have done, and done rightly so. I hold you in the highest esteem. Keegan talk 20:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ditto. --Dakota(Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 00:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Err, looks like people support paid editing. I don't agree with that but I would think that at the very least, those above admin level should have to declare any sponsorships and at least not openly advertise themselves. Cabinet ministers aren't allowed to do that [at least not openly].  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 01:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

is it?
I read your post at JW's page. I cant help but wonder who this is? -- Like I  Care  01:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's Nichalp.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 02:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought so. I cant believe he could sell his wikipedia experience. -- Like I  Care  02:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Was that original question rhetorical out of interest because I thought you would have spotted the outing below.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 02:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * just cautious just in case I had misunderstood. didnt mean to put you on the spot. -- Like I  Care  02:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I see how two patterns of argument develop about this issue, one questioning the ethical aspect and other "so what?" argument. interesting. I personally believe it is unethical. -- Like I  Care  03:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I found this development pretty saddening, since I greatly respect Nichalp contributions to the WPINDIA project. A part of me continues to hope that this is just some Joe job, even while recognizing the infinitesimal odds of that scenario. As for the RFC itself: I find paid editing on wikipedia unacceptable both as an ethical and as a practical matter. I was shocked to read the RFC earlier today and find that my position was (and perhaps still is) pretty much an outlier, and I think this may be the first RFC that I have opined at. A sad situation all around. Abecedare (talk) 03:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well one article by the account that I checked was less than NPOV. I did a google search on the subject and found all sorts of info about lawsuits, fraud, run-ins with corporate watchdogs etc. Needless to say, the article only had a list of awards and achievements and things from the guy's own website, which is not reputable when contrasted with the stuff I found in the news.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 02:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I am not surprised. If I were to pay good money to create an article, I would definitely try to have as glowing a profile as I can get away with. And if I am a relatively obscure person, company or product, there is essentially no limit on what I can get away with, since few neutral editors will ever care enough to thoroughly review an article on wikipedia that appears to follow MOS and has a lengthy-ish reference section. I will also make sure that my article is never nominated for a formal GA/FA review where its deficiencies may possibly be detected - and since my employee is the main contributor, that is easily ensured.
 * Here are two ads I read on elance (not related with Nichalp). The hiring client is pretty explicit about his goals:
 * Stable Wikipedia Product Placement
 * "Expand "carpet cleaning" article and create articles on "carpet dry cleaning" and on major system manufacturers. Competitors will be included but every sourceable and encyclopedic marketing spin will be present. Ongoing stability advocacy is included..."
 * wikipedia entry for boosting webtraffic
 * "We want to have a page created in Wikipedia about Carpet Dry Cleaning. We have already prepared an extensive content, and need someone to revise and adapt it. The goal is to get listed and have a backlink to our site ..."
 * And yes, both projects were accepted and completed. Paid editing on behalf of the article subject (or his detractor) is innately incompatible with COI and NPOV both in theory and in practice; how much ever we may like to believe otherwise. Abecedare (talk) 03:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It's be funny if instead the result of the paid editing was that the WP community dug up the guy's dirty laundery and plastered it on the article  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 01:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

The blocking of The Diamond Apex
On 28th June, without any on-record discussion, you indefinitely blocked The Diamond Apex, claiming that it was a sockpuppet account and was, to quote your edit summary, "MarshallBAgramyan hiding from sanctions". I ask to see the reasoning behind this decision? Who was it that initiated the sockpuppet allegation? Why is there no public record of the allegation being discussed? What evidence have you to back up the claim you made in your edit summary? Meowy 18:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * CU data, which I can't reveal. Needless to say, a direct hit.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 02:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * YellowMonkey is one of the few Wikipedia editors who have a CheckUser tool. That answers all your questions. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It answers nothing - except to make all my suspicions confirmed. What a nasty lot you are. Truly vile. How do you behave in real life, I wonder?
 * For my second unanswered question Nishkid64 has stated that it was he who requested the CU. My first, third, and fourth unanswered questions will of course stay unanswered by the guilty parties (YellowMonkey and Nishkid64). The Diamond Apex is just the sort of editor Wikipedia needs - someone from an academic background (who has access to proper reference materials and not the tripe you lot love), and someone who dares argue against the opinionated biggotry of certain administrators. For that reason, in my head I gave The Diamond Apex six months before your nasty little cabal would get rid of him. I guess I underestimated you. Meowy 08:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes Nishkid. What do you want me to do? Reveal their numbers? I can just write ✅ here but it doesn't really add anything. Well I have written about 18 FAs on history and they only use textbooks; no websites  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 08:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ? Meowy 18:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Meowy, Marshall has already admitted that The Diamond Apex was someone he knew in real life. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Bob Windle -fr
Hi, I translate your article on my the fr.wikipedia fr:Bob Windle. I've differents questions : with who Bob Windle win the relay 4 x 220 yd freestyle in 1961 ? Do you know why in 1968 take a retirement of swimming ? Where can I find a list of records of 220 yd freestyle (to know the record of who Windle beat and who have beatten the record of Windle). Sorry for my terrible english.--Chaps the idol (talk) 11:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure about the 220 yd lists, but I can try to have a look. In those days there were no sponsors at all, so most swimmers retired quite young and got a job. Most swimmers went to the US to get a scholarship to study and swim and that can't last forever and ends when they graduate. The book doesn't explicitly explain why but I don't think he could have gotten 8 years of scholarships to hang around for another Olympics. User:JKBrooks85 writes FAs on college sport in the US, he could explain the rules I think. I don't think there is an explicit list of all the Australian champsions on the internet or in a book, maybe emailing Swimming Australia is necessary.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 01:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The first 4 x 220 yd freestyle win was in 1961 :P Phelps, Neville Hayes, Allan Wood, Windle.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 01:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hepatorenal syndrome
Hi YellowMonkey. Can I ask for your assistance on Hepatorenal syndrome? I've worked a lot on it over the past couple of weeks. I want to make it closer to FA calibre before going to WP:FAC but I worry about the jargon (it sounds too medicalese to me). If you have some free time, could you piece through it and let me know the areas that should be de-jargonified? Thanks very much sir and hope all is well -- Samir 15:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, but personally I do not care about jargon and dumbing things down.... but people do tell me off on all these cricket terms to wikilink evertyhing almost and every cricketing turn of phrase.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 01:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Appreciated. Thanks Notorious.  Sending you a FB msg in a second -- Samir 05:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

The Naked Brothers Band (TV series)
Hey YellowMonkey, when you get the chance can you take a look at The Naked Brothers Band (TV series)—no rush.

Thanx!

ATC. Talk 18:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. Anything in particular? It's pretty boring here, waiting a week on average for a single comment on my FAC Featured article candidates/Early life of Keith Miller/archive1  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 01:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Well their is a lot of information and pictures of the production (in particular editing, because Craig Cobb is editor of Sex and The City and The Naked Brothers Band in this reference that we could use, if you could help me by adding the information in the production information&mdash;as well as pictures&mdash;I'll add some information too from the citation. I'm going to add citenews to the citations. Thanx! ATC . Talk 21:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That has got to be annoying to wait for a respond for that Keith Miller article. ATC . Talk 01:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Raun Kaufman
Hi YellowMonkey, I was wondering if this picture of Raun Kaufman, is copyright infringement, and if not could you upload it to the Raun Kaufman article. Thanx! ATC. Talk 04:42, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless there is evidence stating it is public domain/freeware then the assumption s that it's not  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 01:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems to not exist actually  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 02:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and.... What???
Thank you for Gulzar. Are you kidding me? Our Nichalp? Shahid •  Talk 2 me  07:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm shocked! I never knew there was such thing as paid editing. Is it legal? Is it acceptable? And who pays them? People who want to advertise their products or what? And what does this external link you cited mean? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  08:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * There isn't really a policy but there is one against using sockpuppets as badhand accounts. The external link is a copy of Nichalp's advert  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 07:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Special request
How are you doing? On Dec. 10, 2006, you awarded me the DYK Medal. Well, it took me a long time, but I finally reached my 50th DYK (here is the proof: Tony's Did You Knows?) and I would be honored if it were you who awarded me the 50th DYK Medal. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Holy Tamales, you are fast! Thanks. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:58, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A pleasure  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 03:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Indian box
Yeo thanks. I was surprised it wasn't fully protected, Yes I will be continuing my work with the districts and communes of Vietnam. Wish I could get hold of some reliable data on the communes though. At present I'm a bit tied with Mexico. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 08:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Teh census site I gave you has all the populations for communes  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 00:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Marxistman
I noticed you mentioned at the block log for  that there were multiple other socks of. Do you know what those other accounts are? Cirt (talk) 06:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * SmartBOT1, Boxygirl  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 06:45, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Is the IP address info for Marxistman, DoctorRed, SmartBOT1, and/or Boxygirl located to Los Angeles, California? And also, can you say any other IP information, such as have the accounts used open proxies? Cirt (talk) 07:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes they are in CA  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 07:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Presentations
I have been known to dabble with them, yes :) What date/venue/duration/topics are you looking at? I assume something sports- and Wikipedia-related for the last. Daniel (talk) 07:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, there isn't a specific date. Bernard Whimpress teh curator of the Adelaide Oval Museum, he runs a sports history club and he asked me (admittedly it was a bit offhand) if I was interested in explaining to the others how sports history works on Wikipedia. I'm guessing it might be difficult without a laptop  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sure, I'll happily tag along and play your side-kick. Daniel (talk) 07:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Err ok, if he's still interested. He's off to Lord's for the Ashes so not immediately. A few other luminaries go to the meetings. Jenny Thompson from Cricinfo and Roger Wills from ABC radio. For other examples, see WP:AWNB/A  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 07:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

You have been nominated for membership of the Established Editors Association
The Established editors association will be a kind of union of who have made substantial and enduring (and reliably sourced) contributions to the encyclopedia for a period of time (say, two years or more). The proposed articles of association are here - suggestions welcome.

If you wish to be elected, please notify me here. If you know of someone else who may be eligible, please nominate them here

Discussion is here.Peter Damian (talk) 18:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Noted, thanks.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Studley Cornes
When I first saw it, I also assumed it some nickname that he picked up during his footy career but on the Vietnam War Nominal Roll he is listed as 'Graham Studley Cornes'. God knows what his parents were thinking, but it would seem that it is indeed his middle name. Cheers. Jevansen (talk) 06:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, well I suppose he could have given himself the name. A person I know added his own middle name: "Zebedee".  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 07:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Graham wasn't thinking much clearer when he came up with Kane. Although that's better than Studley :)  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 07:14, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I would like to know why people call their kids Tristan (Triste is French for sad)  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 08:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Philipjelley
Thanks for welcoming him, and hopefully he can just tone his style a little. When I started I was a bit of a POV pusher, especially on Tassie arts. The 3 revert rule is a good one, although it's annoying when someone is blatantly vandalising (especially a GA/FA) like on Melbourne Airport.  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 07:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He isn't a POV-pusher, the hyperbole in the article depicts mainstream thinking on the 1950s era  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 08:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't meaning he is. I was just stating how a year ago I was a bit of a pov pusher as I didn't understand wikipedia and thought arts was pure nonesense, with randoms adding crap. lol, wasn't I naive.  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 09:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh I know you didnt  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 05:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Histor of the ACT
I am reverting this to the normal kind of structure for the lead, I think the unorthodox pre-amble will attract more negative attention at an inevitable FAR.YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 07:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC) I made some minor edits but kept the paragraph structure pretty much the same. Forgot to unbold the history of the ACT if that's what you're referring to Chrisfromcanberra (talk) 08:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You seem to have mostly inverted it.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 08:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Vancouver FAR
Having a look through the Vancouver art, I highly doubt it would even pass a GAN. I'm not exacly sure on what I should do now. Can I nominate it?  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 10:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes that's a legitimate nomination  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 05:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Good, Hope I did it right?  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 05:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, FAR needs more reviewers, on the 50-50 cases at least.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 05:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * One day when I have more experience ;)  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 05:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Some of them are still pretty obvious but there are no reviewers and even if only half the obvious problems are fixed people can't be bothered looking for the other half some times  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 06:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

SA lost yet another crunch game
Hey BL, Pakistan are through to the final of T20 World Cup. SA lost yet another crunch game. AdjustShift (talk) 20:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, appalling!  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 05:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha choked again. Afridi the nutcase decides to make his only appearance for the year.  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 06:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Claggy
Hi YM. If you are feeling up for it, would you be able to create for me your usual cricket bio tables and graphs for Kim Hughes please? With Ponny most of the way there, I am in the mood to start serious work on Hughes again. -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that was quick! -- Mattinbgn\talk 01:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The graph was already there and when I went to my spreadsheet it said "K Hughes" already exists!  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 05:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Question
I wanted to know the template formula for if their is on-going vandalism on an article, how to make it that only registered users could edit. Thanx! ATC. Talk 02:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * an admin can lock. Which page are you looking for?  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well actually The Naked Brothers Band (TV series)&mdash;you could tell by looking at the history that users ALWAYS has to revert people's edits do to vandialism, although their hasn't been a problem ever since I've started making it into a decent-looking article. Never mind about it, I'll let you know if their is a problem again. ATC . Talk 10:17, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I just did revert someone's unnecessary edit—who was a non-registered user, it wasn't vandalism this time, but it was messy, unnecessary, and inaccurate—forget about my reply above. Could you lock the television series article. Thanx! ATC . Talk 10:24, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Done  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Early life of Keith Miller
Hey there - that article was still on my watchlist from the GAN review months back, and I just wanted to say congrats on the FAC passing. :-) This might just be like "another FA" to you, but it's always awesome to see content improve to the "brilliant" stage. You're one outstanding mainspace contributor, and I hope you'll be able to keep it up for a long time. Cheers,  Jamie ☆ S93  02:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done! ;)  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 02:26, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, great work again. -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice work. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 18:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * thanks, now for Ron Hamence with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Compliment you
I compliment you on your management of FAR. Your firm hand seems to have reduced the chaoes there. Regards, &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 01:24, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you going to resume your participation there Mattisse?  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know. What do you think I should do? Regards, &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 15:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with it. I operate normally towards everyone without worrying about this arbcom stuff. If people are obviously not going to agree that a certain change is needed I'll ask them to step back from further debate if it would be pointless and only used a method of victory by battery  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 02:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

IP sock?
Does ring any quick bells wrt Khalistan related editors? Priyanath talk 03:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What's the geog location for this? My geolocate isnt woprking atm.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 03:12, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see Plano, Texas at . Priyanath talk 03:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah I blocked a bunch of accounts that fought against late last year. some of them were TX  YellowMonkey   ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 03:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, there is no other concrete evidence on my end, just a pattern and feeling that another editor also had-User_talk:Sinneed/Archive_2. Priyanath talk 03:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Advice...
Okay, looking at 1950 Maryland Terrapins football team, which I just signed up to review for GAN. I'm not seeing a coherent article here. I see some lists, and some information in the lead, but nothing that ties all the dispartite information together. I'm leaning towards a quick fail, quite honestly, but would love a second opinion (or a third or fourth if any TPS wanna weigh in). Ealdgyth - Talk 15:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A few other things that are missing: team changes, retirements and new recruits, or trades to other teams. Also missing is information on the team structure, forwards, defenders, wingers, centremen etc, strengths and weaknesses: height, speed, tackling power etc? What was team strategy? Formations like in soccer 4-4-2, 3-5-1-1 etc or whatever I don't know what the possible tactics are but I don't see any discussed.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)