User talk:YellowMonkey/Archive134

PAVN units
Yes I'll try. However the Google Translate feature is not very good. My first aim is 308 Division, and maybe more slowly after that. Do you know of any Vietnamese speaking Wikipedians who might be able to help? Cheers Buckshot06(prof) 12:15, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, is a crat on vi-wiki.  can help. I am Vietnamese although I would hardly describe myself as being particularly good.  YellowMonkey   ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 13:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, the VietWiki article in question is at http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C6%B0_%C4%91o%C3%A0n_308. My draft is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Buckshot06/Sandbox#308th_Division_.28PAVN.29. Buckshot06(prof) 14:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Content Drive
You forget to indicate whether you wanted your awards as you earned them or in a lump sum at the end. Also, well done on cathcing up with me as quickly as you did :) TomStar81 (Talk &bull; Some say ¥€$, I say NO) 17:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I might have to clean it up a bit first.... on the run I suspect. Also my unorthodox exposition style might irritate people  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 02:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Graeme Cremer
Please read the talk page for Leg Spin. You keep removing Graeme Cremer without reason. I have posted this message on your user talk page before, but you deleted it without replying. Thank you. Battye (talk) 10:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * He has only taken 13 Test wickets at 45, 6 of which were against Bangladesh. Another 4 were against tailenders. Only ODI wickets were against Kenya. He hasn't done enough  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 14:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, it is not a list of statistically wonderful legspinners. It is a list of "notable" legspinners. As I said on the Leg Spin talk page, it is not a question of how many wickets he has taken it is a question of "Is Graeme Cremer a notable Zimbabwean legspinner?".


 * - He came to the fore because of the rebel crisis
 * - He continued to play cricket in Zimbabwe while many others left
 * - He has been a leading player at domestic for several years running
 * - He is the only Zimbabwean legspinner still playing


 * Is Graeme Cremer a notable Zimbabwean legspinner? Given the circumstances, yes he his. Battye (talk) 14:28, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * No because of list bloat, the examples are kept to those wholes who had some kind of regular success, otherwise it would be piled up. That's why Roelof van der Merwe and Abdur Razzak were punted from the lefties page. Same for all the other types and the fast page. If Cremer is kept people will add almost any internationally capped spinner. Given that Mugabe has chaed out basically all the players in Zimbabwe, it would not be difficult to rank highly there.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 14:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, please do not let your political views influence your feelings about Graeme Cremer. To ensure there is no "list bloat" as you put it, would you draft a list of criteria of "notability" so that fellow users will know when a player is ready to be added to the list? Thank you. Battye (talk) 06:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I am not saying that Cremer should not be there because he played after Mugabe purged the others, his international record isn't good enough, that's the reason. That he is an international, that was due to politics. There isn't any hard and fast rule, but Piyush Chawla is on that list, and nobody has tried to remove him, so if Cremer gets 25-30 international wickets at the rate expected for a frontline spinner, probably nobody will try to get rid of him.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 07:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Guha/Perry
Please add this link rather than just the mention of the issue and page numbers. I couldn't find in a quick look how to do it with the current ref. format Tintin 04:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Tintin done. Guha said that Perry plagiarised everything from Cricket Crossfire except the Services tour to India. I'm guessing that Guha didn't read Whitington's bio of Miller because that is where the whole India section came from. Whitington claimed in his own words that Merchant and the Indians were cheats and Perry just took it to mean that Miller also thought Merchant was a cheat. That raise Guha's ire!  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 04:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * :-) Tintin 04:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol, Haigh gave Bradman's Invincibles 0 stars, probably because it came straight off of Fingleton  YellowMonkey   ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 07:11, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I need to check some site like scribd to see how bad his books are. Can't bother to pay for them. Tintin 08:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't. I wouldn't buy it unless I happened across the library's clearance sales when they get rid of older books for 20c (15 US cents) (I bought the A-Z for 20c). I could show you a few snippets of them. One book has as many as 1 error per page, aside from the sameness. Also it's really funny how he copies some of the errors straight from Fingleton and the thing about the 1948 book relesed last year that in his foreword he assailed Fingleton as an anti-Bradman bile machine yet the where does 90% of the book come from...although he did chop out most of the bits where Fingleton talked about Bradman struggling with the leg trap. As with everyone who got access to Bradman, everything is 100% Bradman. Probably Bradman only let them talk to him if they become his mouthpiece. When some bad admin decision occurs, eg Miller dropped, not made captain, Tallon and Grimmett overlooked in 1938, it was because the other "stupid" board members or selectors outvoted him but if something good happens then it was because the all-knowing Bradman educated the other "barbarians". Every dodgy media rumour was started by Fingleton and Tiger. Everything Bradman says about them is 100% fact... Parkinson gets a criticism too as he talked to evil Fingo and Tiger....  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 03:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll email you some stuff. I did write up a notebook of his errors but gave up because after reading one chapter of each book I always had an entire page of dot points. The Lindwall biog in one of those Bradman's Best minibios has about 7 errors in one three page stretch.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 03:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I had read the blog when it was written last year. Tintin 07:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

FAR discussion
See here. Would you be willing to help write a new Dispatch for the Signpost? You could incorporate material from the MILHIST Academy article you've been writing. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, if you could take a look at Featured list removal candidates/List of One Day International cricket hat-tricks/archive1 and other cricket articles at WP:FLRC, that would be great too. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:43, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Noted, although I don't usually both with FL too much as I regard it as a bit of an easy come easy go thing. I know some FLs took about 4 hours to do, according to their author.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt it, especially with the FLs from 2005/6. FLs are still easier than FAs, but gone are the times when you can pass articles that have one-sentence leads, pretty tables, and fan sites / blogs as references. Anyway, I was asking you to look mainly for content issues, as I know nothing about cricket. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 18:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Looked again at Ganguly. Will check the others  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

About my Vietnam photos
If you haven't noticed, I still haven't actually uploaded the photos I took from the time I was in Vietnam, and the small set from the Tet Festival. To be honest, I'm doubting whether I have much interest in going over the photos again, for uploading.

This is probably alot to ask, but I'd rather have someone else handle the organising, editing, and uploading of these photos for me. If you could find someone, or a group, to do this, it would be much appreciated. I don't want to spend too much time dwelling on the photos, though I'll at least give some notes and info, and try to give more information if required.

I think the license I'll want for these is this one. I'd also like to know a good place/method to upload these. There's probably about 700+MB here, and already convieniently sorted into numbered folders, but many photos were taken for redundancy, and some are personal ones. Probably still worth looking at though.

Contrary to what you might be assuming, the trip wasn't for a death or something, but it was kind of close to it. The overall experience itself is something I personally do not want to think too long on.

- Zero1328 Talk? 00:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, some people don't go back to VN for a death but when they do it might turn into a death because of the sanitation and food quality issues there. A father of a primary school classmate died on a trip back there and he didn't have prior health problems, and although he would have grown up there his stomach would have been used to eating food of healthy quality for 15 years. I know a young fellow who got violently ill with food poisoning and had to bribe the hopsital doctors else he'd be dead by now. If you go to WT:VIET you might get some takers for uploading it for you. User:Badagnani always adds "photo required" tags everywhere so he might be interested,  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Since (I think) I mentioned it was urgent before, I thought you might have assumed it or something... maybe I'll share the story someday. I dunno. Thanks for the advice on what to do. I've just posted on WT:VIET, with more details on the photos themselves. - Zero1328 Talk? 05:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you don't have to... it's none of my business, but a lot of people who go back to VN have bad expierences, or get all their sutff confiscated and put in jail on trumped up charges  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 07:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Da Nang
But it wasnt called Tourane until the French won was it? It was never called Tourane by Vietnamese. Although lots of older western books use Tourane even when referring to traders going there in the 1600s...  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 05:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the majority of readers who wish to know more about the 1858 siege of Da Nang will have come across it in Western histories that refer to it by its traditional European name, Tourane (it was not just called Tourane in French, but in English too and in other European languages). On a similar issue, I recently had to defend the title of my article Pescadores Campaign, dealing with the French capture of the islands in 1884, against pressure from Taiwanese contributors who wanted to replace 'Pescadores' with Penghu, the Chinese name for the Pescadores Islands.  I made exactly the same argument, readers' convenience, and was upheld.


 * I think it is sufficient to mention in the article that Tourane is the city now familiarly known in the English-speaking world as Da Nang, and I have done so. You make the point that it was never called Tourane by the Vietnamese.  Was it Da Nang to the Vietnamese in 1858?  If so, my gloss '(modern Da Nang)' needs to be changed to simply '(Da Nang)'.


 * That issue apart, I hope you agree with my removal of Vietnamese accents. Quite honestly, I see no place for them at all in any of the articles in English Wikipedia except as a gloss to illustrate the Vietnamese spelling of a place name or proper name after the first occurrence of the name in its normal, unaccented English spelling.  But please don't think that I am singling out Vietnamese spelling.  I am just as severe on French spelling, and in several articles on Vietnamese topics have removed references to 'Hué' where 'Hue' is meant.  Thus we now have, correctly, articles entitled 'Treaty of Hue' instead of 'Treaty of Hué'.


 * As for the accents I don't use them except in the first sentence, purely for convenience, nothing else ideological. The old books only used "Hué" which is incomplete because the old printing machines didn't allow the "^" on top of the e. Many pre 2000 books say that they have complete diacrtics except they wer only able to add half of them and if a person followed that pronunciation they would be wrong.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! '') paid editing=POV 08:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Djwilms (talk) 06:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. Have you seen my query on nineteenth-ccentury Vietnamese flags on the discussion page of the article Flag of Vietnam?  Can you shed any light on the issue?


 * No I hadn't actually I don't think it is on my watchlist. MAybe you should have posted it at WT:VIET as well so everyone could see.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Madame Nhu
Haven't read it anywhere, no source material I can find in English. But I've been hearing it from Japanese people for years, perhaps there is source material in Japanese. Glad someone out there doesn't think I'm crazy. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 04:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well Nhu did publicly say he would trash Xa Loi Pagoda a few days before it actually happened, so he's hardly worried about doing the wrong thing... nor his wife judging from her tongue....  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 07:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

GA and FA
Re "Philcha would be better off at FAC/FAR. Not much point making a minority of GAs better than most FA" at User talk:Aaroncrick:
 * I'll assume that was meant as a compliment, and thank you.
 * WP:WIAGA is as insistent on WP:V as WP:WIAFA, and I just follow the rules. WP:V accounts for most of the time in my GA reviews.
 * When we disussed Jim Baxter I stated why I don't nominate for FA and seldom contribute to FA reviews: I actually disagree with large chunks of MOS. FA reviews also apply WP:RS over-literally. This works for academic subjects, although almost by accident. In other areas its assumption that certain types of management overhead confer reliability is false. E.g. in computer games the big-name mags have well-known weaknesses (tight deadlines; pressure fro advertisers) which often make them unreliable; some blogs are more reliable, but you have to know how to recognise them. --Philcha (talk) 06:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, I had forgotten about that Baxter chat or that you were the writer. There's nothing stopping you from applying WP:V at FAC/FAR either, as they are supposed to apply to all articles. Do you think articles that are less V-compliant should be FAs ahead of GAs??? After all there is no requirement for you to do a full review, per Ealdgyth or the image checkers, for example. Oh I afree that some books can be less reliable than some blogs and that an attentive amateur could trump a lot of crappy mags/newspapers and even a certain best-selling non-fiction writer who averages 1 data error per page. Yes, it was a compliment.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 07:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Tributary
I don't think any Vietnamese views it as such, as they hardly ever came and were tokenistic. Not as though China had any control over what happened in Vietnam, except a few attempted invasions, although I bet most Chinese would say that VN belongs to China Tibet style....  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 07:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * How much of your book is on WP?  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 07:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of my stuff on WP is either an expansion or contraction of stuff that will be going in the book. For example, I don't quote the text of the Tientsin Accord word for word in the book, which is one reason I have put it on Wikipedia.  On the other hand, most of my battle descriptions are considerably shorter on Wikipedia than they are in the book.  The only battle description at present that bears a close resemblance to what's in the book is the one of the Battle of Dong Dang.  To give you an idea of how much I have shortened things, the Siege of Tuyen Quang, at present a fairly short Wikipedia article, gets a 30-page chapter in the book.  The book, by the way, will be around 600 pages long, in 21 chapters.
 * Djwilms (talk) 01:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, are you going to inflate the Siege of Tuyen Quang then? Or waiting until the sales peter out?  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Prejudiced and Arbitrary reprehensible and despicable actions of User:YellowMonkey
To User:YellowMonkey: YellowMonkey is so unscrupulous and does not have the minimum basic decency and courtesy to confer with me in accordance with the principle of  Audi alteram partem  before blocking my access to Wikipedia for the alleged unintelligible and  incomprehensible so-called reason which reads, “spa; one guy reverting  about five and over”, and knowing fully very well that I am unable to communicate to him/her in his/her talk page, and when I send him an email asking for clarifications vide email sent through Wikipedia dated 7, July, he deliberately since his intentions are malafide and ulterior,  and given his  total lack of decency and courtesy,  prefers to willfully  ignore it till the period of blockage itself expires on July 7  and my  email is rendered infructuous  since the period of blockage is itself to expire on 7 July. As though his deliberate act of not replying to my email is not outrageous and despicable enough, and speaks volumes of his morality or the lack of it, he actually arbitrarily and unilaterally extends it to 16 July for the alleged reason that I have tried to circumvent the blockage, which I have the right to do and was justified in doing so because of his nefarious conduct. It can be seen from edit summaries of my reversions like the one dated 21, June 2009 which reads, “Reverted to previous NPOV edit as edited by User:DrilBot. Those indulging in vandalism and Original Research not reciprocating my attempt to arrive at consensus”, that the reason for my reverts was that inter alia  User:RegentsPark and his coterie were  also recklessly reverting my NPOV version  with out appreciating my endeavour to arrive at a consensus  and it should have been inter alia --Regent's Park (Rose Garden) who ought to have been blocked! And then User:RegentsPark maliciously with an ulterior motive (mis)uses it as an excuse to protect the POV version of his accomplice User:Fowler&fowler stating that I have tried to evade the block, when in the first place, he ought to have been oblivious of the block in the first place. The fact that he was aware of the blockage ipso facto proves that it was at his instigation and behest that User:YellowMonkey did it. What obviously prompted --Regent's Park (Rose Garden) to get User:YellowMonkey to block me was my “audacity”  to thoroughly and conclusively  expose his accomplice User:Fowler&fowler, who had maliciously made sweeping statements against me  which I had all thoroughly disproved  and had in fact check mated him  and revealed the ignorance of User:Fowler&fowler and  --User:RegentsPark was quite aware of that and had to do some thing for his accomplice and save his face! User:Fowler&fowler after making sweeping allegations against me had in a manner typical of his personality stealthily performed the disappearing act from Wikipedia after making the aforesaid sweeping allegations, so that he won’t be called upon  to explain his allegations after my meticulous rebuttal of his allegations and false  statements. Propriety demanded that if he had to necessarily  make the sweeping allegations against me, he should have either desisted from making the allegations and postponed it till his return after his alleged vacation, or he should have not gone on vacation after making the allegations against me and remained and faced the repercussions. In fact, User:RegentsPark has been cantankerously been from day one been trying to victimize me and has been obsessed  with the perverted idea of banning me from Wikipedia. He went to the ridiculous extent of finding fault with me over an edit summary! He has been misinterpreting, distorting and twisting   the observations of  User:Ottava Rima  who questioned him and raised pertinent issues, as though she meant that it would be better to deal with me rather than my edits! In fact, I regret that User:Ottava Rima did not pursue the pertinent issues that she raised but succumbed to  User:Fowler&fowler’s intimidations when User:Fowler&fowler in the first place,  had no right at all  to interfere when User:Ottava Rima questioned him. User:RegentsPark has stated on 12 June 2009   that, “ I see that he's involved with Aksai Chin, Sanju Pass, Kashmir, and various other Kashmir related articles. Quintessential WP:SPA. No point in just protecting the article and far better to deal with the user”. As a matter of fact, I had added a lot of details in the article on Kashmir and had long since stopped editing the article on Kashmir since the moment  the article had been protected by User:Tanthalas39 on 15, April 2009  and the protected version ofUser:Tanthalas39  actually retained many of the details which I  contributed! So much for his suggestion that my edits were my personal View and based on my Original Research and tantamount to vandalism! It was only after I informed User:Ged UK on 31 May 2009 that, “I am not going to permit User:RegentsPark and User:Fowler&fowler to state that the Hindutash pass in Kashmir is allegedly in so- called “Xinjiang”, which is the only thing they want to state and with out any basis whatsoever when the stance of even the Chinese is that till date the northern border of Kashmir is yet to be demarcated or delineated .” that User:RegentsPark was constrained to un protect the article. After stating that ,“I am open to the protection being reviewed and overturned by other admins..”, and “Finally, I've only protected the article against IP editors, not registered users such as yourself, and, since you can edit the article, I'm not sure why you're yelling 'administrator abuse'….Note that I cannot prevent you from reverting the article without further discussion and note also that, though I can do so, I will not protect the article myself because, I suppose, I now have an involvement in it”, he had no business to  protect the POV version of his colleague User:Fowler&fowler. When Kashmir acceded to the new dominion of India, she obviously had a territorial extent. As is depicted, “the Times Atlas (1900), shows the Hindutash Pass in Kashmir”. Un less there are any valid and legally binding   border agreements which can  bring any changes to the border, the territorial extent remains the same as earlier and does not change. As confessed by User:RegentsPark, “Boundaries are typically delineated by bilateral conventions”. Hindutashravi (talk) 14:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, such a personal attack and over-misuse of the English language! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppetry is a black/white policy and no warning is needed.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket photo poll! ) paid editing=POV 02:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Hindutashravi
He's back, still pushing his agenda, and now making some sort of threats (though it is very hard to understand what he's trying to say!).--RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 17:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll report him at ANI. He'll say that I blocked him because of revenge for his rant right above.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket photo poll! ) paid editing=POV 02:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

HMS Endeavour
You raised an interesting issue here - as the National Library have directly transcribed the original of Cook's Journal rather than scanning a copy, are they the publisher? Unable to resolve this, I have taken the expedient course of simply replacing the NLA references using a couple of the standard texts on Cook. These have arguably a lower utility to the reader as they're not web-based, but the identity of the publisher is clearer.

If you have a moment, please let me know if these changes have or haven't addressed the issue you raised. I'd also be interested in your general view on whether the National Library should have been credited as publisher in this case, as I regularly cite their web resources in other articles also. Euryalus (talk) 07:44, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, which is why I didn't specifically ask for anything. I'm not too fussed, else I would have insisted  YellowMonkey  ( cricket photo poll! ) paid editing=POV 02:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries, and thanks for replying. Beaglehole edited a copy of all of the major Endeavour people's journals, so I'll use his works as references for them all and avoid the issue altogether. Euryalus (talk) 03:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

duplicate category.
could you pls delete this category, Category:Tamil Nadu business people, which is a duplicate of Category:Tamil businesspeople. it was my mistake. thanks. -- L  I C  18:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok,  YellowMonkey  ( cricket photo poll! ) paid editing=POV 02:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Nguyen Van Tuong

 * There's no end to the number of DYKs you have is there? Is it up to 100 or more? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  16:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Wanna make it 101? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 18:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It was my 248th if the counter at the top of the page is correct. I mostly stopped last year at about 218 or so in March and have been doing large existing articles only. Most of the 30 since then were leftovers from my hard drive or an overgrowth of an existing article.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket photo poll! ) paid editing=POV 02:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

That is impressive. Could you expand Pham Van Son? I saw it linked in your article but I don't think he is historian you refer to? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 11:36, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know anything about him except that the book attributed an opinion to him.  YellowMonkey  ( cricket photo poll! ) paid editing=POV 00:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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MarshallBagramyan
Hi. As you most recently blocked, I'd value your opinion about the topic ban I imposed at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement and about MarshallBagramyan's appeal at User talk:Sandstein. Best,  Sandstein   22:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I could but I don't follow any of his actual edits, I only got a complaint that he was socking  YellowMonkey  ( cricket photo poll! ) paid editing=POV 01:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

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