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Arlow
Check the mail after a couple of minutes for the relevant stuff from the book. Sorry about missing it. Tintin 03:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Btw, you'll find in it that Edrich was fielding at slip. I didn't bother to comment about that because I also checked O'Reilly, Cricket Conquest, which has the ball bouncing off Evans' head towards fineleg. Tintin 03:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know what to do with a lot of these things because sometimes all the books copy off each other have something that doesn't bear any relation to the visual snippet in a video. eg, Compton getting cracked in the head by Lindwall at OT, the video clearly shows the ball to be waist height and Compton topedged it into his eye, hardly a "bouncer". Whereas Bradman also claimed that Miller only bowled two proper bouncers at TB in his autobio (in an attempt to take the high ground wrt only Bodyline bowling bouncers), although this is also nonsense. There was also a dispute about Bradman getting dropped/missed stumping in his 173*, where Bradman says that catches were basically impossible whereas Wisden and Fingo said england muffed all these sitters. Obviously everyone believes Fingo, which must have irritated Braddles, he spends so much time trying to prove that Fingo and Tiger are liars, and won't give interviews to anyone who listens to them. In the Invincibles doco by Mike Coward, Morris says that the Bradman ploy and Compton catch at The Oval went straight down his throat although all the texts said it was one of the best [diving] catches of the season. I wonder did a lot of people flagrantly lie in the old days when there were no cameras? Whitington said that the Australians bowled from a metre behind the crease in India in 1945 and the umpire no-balled them anyway when Merchant premedidated a slog when he was on 99. So is it true that the sweep his Evans in the head and went to leg slip? I'm guessing rightly or wrongly a lot of modern books just copy off older stuff, and only check for mistakes with stats and scorecards without checking the raw picture.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Very interesting. Have reached office. Will check and comment about what the books say about these specific cases after getting home in the evening. Tintin 05:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Ponting
Well shame your not going to anymore. Maybe I will, depends how busy I am. I was going to go to the library and get the Peter Staples book out one day before I expanded pre 1998. Got a book that covers pre 2002, that I'll use for refing. But from after 2002 it's really just book and web snippets, which is a pain, although I suppose you still remember bits and pieces. Quickly cleaned up the lead the other day as it was just rubbish.  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 08:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Although I intend to do lots of things and never get around to it. Haven't been able to play any cricket in the past few months because of a back injury so should be bored watching lots of AFL throughout the weekend (Prelim Finals in AFL Dream Team :P). Watching the Ashes during the night so might start writing something one night. Still got to complete User:Aaroncrick/List of international cricket centuries by Ricky Ponting which I started writing in the T20 WC. Decided I don't like tables as they give me shits with all that fiddly jargon.  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 08:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

While looking through Paul Collingwood I was surprised to see how much the 'Early and personal life' section was lacking, along with being very dot pointy. Despite being a 33 YO, info is slanted towards recent events. Poor how none of the ODI's are shown on free to air TV. For memory 7 showed them in 05.  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 07:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, Seven did then in 05. They had Skull on as the pundit, along with Johanna Griggs as the host and Tony Squires as the comic sidekick which shows you how serious (7) they were. After one really shoddy fielding performance by Australia when Bangladesh batted first (not the game that they lost off the last ball) Skull said "The ball was on the ground more often thatn Warney's knickers" and at one point when he wasn't paying attention and Jo asked him something he said that he was "perving". I wonder if the braodcasting watchdogs got a complaint although I think it might have been choreographed anyway. The ads on SBS said they were showing the ODIs starting "Sep 04" so maybe they skipped the Scotland match although there might be a 400+ score if Australia bat first. The Colly one lacks info on his rise through the junior ranks. I bet the CA oracle can reveal stuff about when he was in what youth teams. Also we don't know if he finished year 12 or whatever. But often the small details don't interest the biographers. If only the autobio worries about it then it might not be notable.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket! ) 07:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't see any T20's on the TV guide. Fox Sports aren't showing the Scotland game either.  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 07:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

User:Aaroncrick/Sandbox has old sections of the Ponting article. That maybe helpful for style in case you went and dug out previous versions.  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 07:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's all back in except the key acheivements, which explains his batting style. You know we aren't supposed to use contractions like "couldn't" in the articles correct? Also the mdashes are supposed to be used for embellishing information that contrasts or breaks the flow. "Ponting is a keen supporter and number one ticket holder", the second part doesn't break the flow and is completely unexpected given the first part, so the mdash isn't needed for "number one ticket holder". Manual_of_Style I'm pretty sure it's in one of the essays on User:Tony1 about good English, it's a good investment to use those ones. Thorpey was full of junk in almost each sentence before I got told off and read the theory and practiced the examples.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket! ) 08:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

No I didn't know that, thanks. mdashes confuse me a bit so I didn't change "Ponting is a keen supporter and number one ticket holder". Anyway still learning. :)  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 08:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You should read and train with the pro's textbook. While it's easy to look at a copyedited article and see that it has improved, doing the study will show you why it is better and you'll be able to spot it and write correctly more instinctively yourself. Prose on FAs has improved so much over the years. I guess I ain't the only hack who became a bit more stylish after reading his guide and implementing the techniques.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket! ) 08:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The bulk of his career it over. We've got to be careful not to lean towards more modern events, like many other article on recently retired cricketers or current players.  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 08:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It will lean more towards recent events anyway because of his increasing seniority and influence in things (captaincy and selection strategy)  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Randomly cited and added info to '2008 tour of the West Indies'.  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 22:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably not and why do some get ticked off when you nominate multiple FAC?  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 06:09, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, there is a general idea of not nomming a lot until they are under control, and they are under control. Also the stuff I write about doesn't get much interest at FAC, so it takes so long and I've got dozens of articles waiting :(  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, I didn't notice Warney needed so much work. There's about 2 paras on his career, 2 on his legacy and 5-6 on womanising and bad behaviour :( McGrath isn't much better. At least the other Australian giants of recent times have relatively solid foundations (Waugh, Gilly, Ponting, Border), unless one considers Hayden to be one :(  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah I noticed that about Warne after I read his picture auto. Maybe you don't get much traffic because there's not a lot to fix or they're all sick of you ;)  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 06:42, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't help being a "reactionary" who commits "crimes against the people"  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Brian isn't too happy either...  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 09:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Could Matt or someone nominate articles on your behalf or would this still be a problem?  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 09:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, he could and say that he has read books about 1948, but it would piss them off for gaming the system. You can nom Ponting when the time comes. I guess I can get Moondyne to nome Sydney Riot of 1879....Of course if they were reviewed more wuickly that would solve things as well.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

On Matthew Lloyd, I'm surprised the 'Mark of the year' photo hasn't been removed under fair use of something.  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 06:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It is valid fair use if the article actually describes the MotY in detail, which it doesn't seem to  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair hit, probably won Essendon the match though. And he's fairly useless now anyway. Should retire. Strange looking Pitch at Old Trafford. Just like cracked concrete. I wonder what the crowds will be like when Pakistan play Australia there next year. Probably better than in Pakistan.  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 06:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * More subcontinental expats go to matches overseas than in Asia itself (Excluding ODIs). The members will come as it is all paid for annually and they only need 500 to beat almost all Pakistani or Sri Lankan Tests, and any Indian Test that isn't in Mumbai, Delhi, Calcutta, Bangalore or Chennai. Ahmedabad, Mohali and Nagpur are usually pretty sparse. In the grand final, why don't they all deliberately injure opposition players so that they run out of subs? especially as they can't get red carded and who cares about the odd suspension for the start of next season, as the strongest two teams can get by on a few suspensions, especially if it is one guy kinghitting 4-5 guys over and over. I guess it could turn into a full on brawl with people kicking each other in the head, groin and heart etc.... ie people do that sort of thing. Lol. I'm surprised all these people are suddenly tipping Adelaide to win everything. Surely they won't choke and will beat Essendon with all their suspensions...  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Adelaide will beat Essendon although can't see them beating Collingwood/St Kilda the next week. Well Alistair Lynch got suspended for 10 matches in his last match; the 2004 AFL Grand Final.  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 06:48, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Did he already decide he wasn't going to play in 2005 and therefore decide that it would cost him nothing to try and injure as many opposition players as possibl?  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It think he already said it was going to be his last match. He only hit Wakelin but was wacking him all day, as the rules weren't a strict back then.  Aaroncrick  (talk ) 06:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well at least they have cameras nowadays unlike in the days of Laurie Nash and some guy in the SANFL in the 1960s just walked up to an opponent when the umpire wasn't looking and bashed him in the head senseless  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Still happens in local footy. Some guy on the weekend cracked this star players ribs unprovoked, then the guy that got hit retaliated and the umpire only saw this and gave a free to the instigator.  Aaroncrick  (<font color="#FE2712">talk ) 07:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Australia deserve to lose the Ashes
The stats showed we had the better batsman and bowlers throughout the series so far but the selectors decision not to go in with the specialist spinner in Hauritz was always going to be risky. They banked on winning the toss and when they lost it you knew the Aussies were going to find it tough. Its a shame with this pitch that whoever won the toss was going to have such a huge advantage. I hope for Ricky's sake and make that Hussey's as well that they go out with a bang and lead from the front and make massive centuries. Not getting that last wicket in the first test really hurts us now. Cheers 211.30.25.35 (talk) 03:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I do think that Ponting is a bit too timid with his selections (if he is the one pulling the selectors' strings)  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 07:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

It's 99.9% certain they will loose the Ashes. Looks like it will be Hussey's last Test as well. Although Australia should feast on the pathetic West Indian and Pakistani bowling attacks. Ponting should retire from T20/ODI or limit his ODI appearances, perhaps three matches a series. They might as well bring in Hughes for the future.  Aaroncrick  (<font color="#FE2712">talk ) 11:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I don't think batsmen are overworked.....In the old days they played two 3 day county matches a week in England and the likes of Compton and Hutton would score 2500 from May to September easily. Still he could just stop playing T20s and ease off ODIs to let someone else have a go and save himself for the key Tests.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 07:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree but there's no need for him to play T20 and should only play key ODI matches, bit like Tendulkar.  Aaroncrick  (<font color="#FE2712">talk ) 07:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Ridiculous running and pathetic batting for North. First he gets away with a swish with the ball spitting from the footmarks. Then goes for a wild slog-sweep and gets stumped. Only Ponting, Hussey and Clarke have any common sense under pressure. North tried to do a Lara of 98-99 and score 150. It will only be a matter of time before Haddin drives one out the footmarks or has a slog. Still don't know why they're going for the tight runs.  Aaroncrick  (<font color="#FE2712">talk ) 14:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The recent Australians have had this macho obsession with trying to completely bash opposition players. It reminds of when Ponting sent SL into bat on an SCG ODI where Jaya made 130 and SL about 360, just like when he sent Eng in at Edgbaston in '05.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 07:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Australians have lost the Ashes. AdjustShift (talk) 17:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not a cricket fan, and haven't followed too many Test matches, but run outs in Test matches doesn't make any sense to me. Why go for a tight run when you have so much time on your hand? AdjustShift (talk) 17:08, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Received wisdom is that when chasing a big target, you have to play your "natural game" otherwise you'll get bogged down. In this case, it meant putting pressure on the field even though it was not appropriate to take such tight runs in this situation. Then again, the pitch was difficult, I wouldn't say it was a matter of time before a ball came along with your name on it, but it wasn't easy and wouldn't get any easier on the fifth day, so an aggressive approach had its merits. North was too cavalier though, he hadn't got his eye in and decided to take on the bowling. Nev1 (talk) 18:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say it was pointless. Even without the stutter he would have only been in by half a yard. The pitch was so slow I was wondering why they didn't just stand a metre out of their crease in order to take out the lbw and loosen up their minds a bit. The decision to leave out Hauritz was pretty ridiculous as anybody could have seen that the pitch was brown and if they blew on the pitch they probably could have detected some of the soil getting loose.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 07:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Warnie should have been brought back for this Test! Would have still done better than Haurtiz. The sight of Warnie would have froze England.  Aaroncrick  (<font color="#FE2712">talk ) 07:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Given Warne's criticism of Ponting in the past, and Ponting's pride, and Warne's stance that he won't have a move unless Ponting/CA start courting him, well I don't think there's any chance of Ponting getting on his knees and trying to woo him. At least Ponting didn't purge Warne for criticising him like Bradman purged Grimmett (Grimmett continued to take Shield wickets at less than 20 ever year after while Frank Ward averaged 40). Unfortunately for Ponting, he isn't a national icon on Bradman's level so if he purged Warne he wouldn't have been defended by a stack of hagiographers who would say that he had a "weak team", well Tiger and Grimmett are stronger than 90% of attacks, and if Bradman killed one of them, that's his fault.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 07:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

(As another thunderstorm rolls in! Getting sick of this) Ponting is not the batsman he was. Warne would come back if there was money involved. :P It's a shame Krejza couldn't actually bowl well in First-class cricket. He would have been a handful at the Oval. All he's done for Australia A is score a century.  Aaroncrick  (<font color="#FE2712">talk ) 07:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think ego is the major reason. I doubt Warne wants to "audition" and Ponting doesn't want to get on his knees.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 05:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * They could always chuck a Chappell and bowl underarm if they're lacking good bowlers :) (Btw, I'm surprised that article is in such a terrible state. Monkey's been slacking again). &mdash;Dark talk 12:25, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Too busy manning the FACs, which aren't getting much traffic WP:AWNB/A  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello!

 * Thanks  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Possible sock?
YM, can you take a look at User:Stop snoring? Been around for less than two weeks and has been making an inordinate number of page moves - definitely not a new user, I thought it could be a new avatar of User:Stopthenonsense. Some of these page moves are very disruptive, like with Kanpur. Also he's been converting legitimate redirects like Yasodhara to dab pages moving dab pages like Jagannath (disambiguation) to non dab titles and so on. I posted a note on the user's page, and got a very absurd response. Priyanath suggested that I check with you, can you take a look please? - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 19:04, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's some other guy who is blocked and has a few socks. I've blocked them.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, figured it was a dirty sock, just didn't know whose! cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 02:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Clarification welcome
I was disappointed to find this remark on my talk page this morning. I have commented further there, and hope you are willing to retract or clarify what you meant. Geometry guy 21:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'm serious  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

See AN thread
You were a checkuser involved in the investigation of Landmark Education related socks at Requests for checkuser/Case/Eastbayway. As such, I thought you should be aware of Administrators'_noticeboard. Cirt (talk) 12:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What's all this about, seems to be about something esel  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Anglo-Zulu War
Hi there, Could you semi-protect Anglo-Zulu War for a while? It's been vandalised a lot in August so I think the kids in the southern hemisphere or somewhere are studying the topic. Nunquam Dormio (talk) 12:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done noted  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Nunquam Dormio (talk) 07:53, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Mughal Empire
I am very sure there is a need for protection for the Mughal Empire. People are changing information to fit their POV. Some are trying to make it sound Turkish (from Turkey), as well as Pakistani, Indian, and Afghan. So there is much edit warring so please can you make the site secured. I believe user:86.151.125.218 has been edit warring with several users in the site. Thankyou User Talk:Dewan357
 * Those several users are your socks lol 86.151.125.218 (talk) 18:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What's a day on Wikipedia without Nangparbat???? Aaaahhh  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

User:Protecting
He has been removing referenced info from Nadar (caste). please look here. The reference clearly supports the info. Besides, pls look at the personal attack against me. -- L  I C  19:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, he has a sock as well  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought so. it was another name doing the same type of edits until a while before. thanks. -- L  I C  04:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

HarryAlffa
How many times does someone need to be blocked before he's banned? Sorry to sound brusque, but this guy's made my life a living hell, and if two blocks haven't discouraged him, a third won't either.  Serendi <sup style="color:#bb0000;">pod ous  05:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. If he keeps carrying on, then he will sort of just progress to a ban. You can ask on ANI to see if there are any other takers.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Australia's National Football Team
How is the standard of the A-League relevant to the strength of the National Team? I think your POV is showing. Silent Billy (talk) 02:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the strengths of national teams do depend on the general grassroots level of hte sport. Your POV is showing, saying that Australia is more of a soccer than acricket power.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Morning  YellowMonkey   ( bananabucket ) 02:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

How terribly sad
Very sad. He was only editing the other day. I'm not sure how Moondyne and co knew about what happened but anyone he seemed like a very friendly and kind guy.  Aaroncrick  (<font color="#FE2712">talk ) 23:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * oh now I see.  Aaroncrick  (<font color="#FE2712">talk ) 01:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Very sad. Reminds of a girl at my old high school (She would always go past the chess club at lunch with some yobbo friends and abuse us for being nerds :, her father took her and her siblings on a trip in the Adelaide Hills during a custody visit. The father didn't usually smoke but he did on this road trip, filled with kerosene cans and (apparently) deliberately drove the car over the ledge into a ravine, although the majority of them survived (or maybe all of them) happily, and father was put on trial  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of the readers comments on articles have been very abusive towards Glen and Police aren't even sure what happened.  Aaroncrick  (<font color="#FE2712">talk ) 03:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Nikkul
I was just leaving him (the umpteenth) last warning on his talk page when you blocked him. While the block is helpful in limiting the immediate edit-war, I fear that given his long history of disruption, a topic ban, or at least a 1 revert/week limit would be more useful in the long term. What would be the best means for making the case for such a sanction - can you or another admin impose it unilaterally or does it require a ANI/RFC discussion ? Abecedare (talk) 02:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * An informal ANI show of hands and all that. I do know of a few warlords (who have more power than nominally important people) doing otherwise but I doubt intimidating is needed here  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, a community consensus is preferable in my view too and, it shouldn't be hard to achieve given Nikkul's long edit history. If he continues the disruption after the current block, I'll gather the diffs etc to solve this perennial problem - a tiresome process but better than having to deal with it piecemeal every few weeks. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 03:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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