User talk:YellowMonkey/Archive142

Time study
I remember you making some remarks on FAC about how long it takes to do a good job on an article, so I decided to a little experiment by counting my time as I wrote History of Fairbanks from scratch.

In total, it's taken me 19 hours and 45 minutes of editing to get to this point. I'm not counting the time needed to track down sources -- just the actual time consulting sources, writing it out, and editing. I don't know if you find this interesting or not, but since it was your comment that inspired me to keep track, I decided to take notes. Have a good one! JKBrooks85 (talk) 06:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I guess if you have prior knowledge then it would also make things easier.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Copyedit Request
Hello YellowMonkey.

I was wondering if you could help me out by copyediting this article: Operation Badr (1973) or possibly direct me to someone who can.

Cheers! --Sherif9282 (talk) 12:09, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I could, but is all the content in order? Otherwise it can be a bit wasteful if it is copyedited and then has to be redone for comprehnesiveness or POV balance  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The article is as comprehensive IMO as it can be. I've received comments during a peer review that the article was not neutral. It seems most of the POV exists in the sections preceding Course of the Operation. It seems the problems are mainly due to the choice of wording. May I further ask you to audit the article for POV-language? I think any POV issues will probably be cleared out during your copyedit.


 * Note: I had asked User:Mm40 to copyedit the article. He told me any edits he made would be minor, and recommended I ask someone else. Prior to him, I had asked User:Dhatfield for help with the article. You can see the changes he made in the article's history, which were fine, but the problem is that he's very busy in real life. If you're serious with giving this article a thorough copyedit, then I'll just tell the other users I've gone to someone else for help. How about it?

Thanks for your time. --Sherif9282 (talk) 03:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi there. You haven't replied to my question yet. --Sherif9282 (talk) 00:47, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look. And I was away, because just below, some people have been trying to delete 5 FAs and 12 FAs that I wrote. Might be slow though I have to keep arguing with them  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright then, take your time. Good luck defeating the AfD. --Sherif9282 (talk) 11:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Sam Loxton with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
Dear o dear :( needing urgent attention.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 22:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll probably get a flood of Opposes for Sam Loxton with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948 now. Already have one.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 10:52, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This really has to be the silliest AfD nomination I've seen. At least the people who nominated George W. Bush and United States of America for deletion last April fools day did it for laughs ;) Nick-D (talk) 23:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "it has been shown by others above that reliable sources about the individual role played by each member of the team on this tour do not exist in the majority of cases)" lol  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 00:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well Perry's rip-off of Fingleton has a summary/rating page on each of the players. Bradman's own memoirs has a paragraph on each of them as well, although I didn't bother. Wisden also had an appraisal of each player.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:05, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

A few of my articles have been AfDed before but have all closed within a day for being ridiculous/vandalism noms. This is the first time any article has been subjected to a serious AFD. I'm kind of expecting it to succeed, or that one of my enemies will come and write up a 50k delete rationale. Still it's kind of irritating that some dreadful articles only sourced to the own website of the website/suburban club etc, routinely survive.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:05, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If they nom was smart he'd attack Loxton and co individually first. The get some support. Bulks of GA/FA never get deleted.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 01:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you still can't merge them without creating undue weight or killing off 80% of the content. Numerically looks like 70% more a straight keep.... who knows....  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

TFD
Yes, but I would prefer it if your friend Aaron didn't call me "ridiculous" just because I am making a good faith attempt to standardise and reference articles all over. Himalayan   10:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Never called you ridiculous. You're TFD was ridiculous. It wasn't though out at all. What were we going to do when the templates were deleted without a new one? (Although the Australian places template could have the maps) I could go on and on, similar to whats already been said. Regards,  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 11:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, maybe they can be modifed to include svg maps. That was my main concern that maps are a basic requirement. If you can get your Aussie template to display quality svg location maps and include them in all the town articles and rmeove the poor quality beige dot maps I'll be a lot happier. What disappointed me about the response was that many Aussie wikipedian have now resorted to voting strong keep for other templates i nominated like the Bangladesh one, even though I spent hours yesterday making 64 district maps of Bangladesh to display in a revised template... and that the Austrian template does contain German paramters when editing and should not be there. The main misconception was that the infoboxes would be completely removed first. This isn't how it works!! We adapt the current template first!! Check out Jelgava for instance. No article would be for a minute without an infobox!! Then a bot is used to change without missing an infobox. All I can say is that it has worked for most places, sorry that Aus is not compatible. Himalayan   11:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It probably would have been better if you discussed this first. It's probably best to stay out of some arguments, even if you were intending to keep good faith, despite what other editors are saying. Happy Editing,  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 11:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Mmm, I think I'll take you up on that! The conversation is going nowhere when people start when people start saying you are "as useless as a root in a brothel"! I'll ignore what is happening until people can discuss how to go about ensuring the infoboxes actually have maps even if they currently have the capacity to do so... That's all I ask.. anyway.. Himalayan   12:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Blofeld was not the sock that attacked Mattinbgn's page  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 00:40, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

A sock, ay? The only socks I have are on my feet! Himalayan   18:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, I didn't think you would  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 00:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Dunno what it is about your talk page that seems to make it a place to discuss things?? For some reason I was thinking you were an Australian wikipedian and this matter concerned you. Don't you have Aussie connections or something, haven't you edited a lot of Aussie cricket articles? If I remember correctly you are of Vietnamese origin? living in India? What is the Aussie connection then? Cricket? I'm intrigued, let me know! Himalayan  20:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't in India  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 00:40, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Who am I confusing with then? I could have sworn it was you who was a cricket pundit for the Times of India..... Himalayan   18:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Remotely based, of course  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 00:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Not a sock
I am not a sock puppet. The connection is used by other family members. We have three houses on the same block of land and we all use the same broadband connection. And in any event it's not a unique IP - we share it with many others. Silent Billy (talk) 23:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've heard that one before  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Who hasn't? First excuse in the dictionary. Fortunately even if it proves to be true, it'll be considered meatpuppetry. &mdash;Dark 21:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration case regarding the Eastern European mailing list
The Arbitration Committee has passed a motion to open a case to investigate allegations surrounding a private Eastern European mailing list. The contents of the motion can be viewed here.

You are receiving this notification as you participated in the administrators' noticeboard thread on the issue.

The Committee has explicitly requested that evidence be presented within one week of the case opening; ie. by September 25. Evidence can be presented on the evidence subpage of the case; please ensure that you follow the Committee instructions regarding the responsible and appropriate submission of evidence, as set out in the motion linked previously, should you choose to present evidence.

Please further note that, due to the exceptional nature of this case (insofar as it centers on the alleged contents of a private mailing list), the Committee has decided that the normal workshop format will not be used. The notice near the top of the cases' workshop page provides a detailed explanation of how it will be used in this case.

For the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 01:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Military history coordinator elections: voting has started!
Voting in the Military history WikiProject coordinator election has now started. The aim is to elect the coordinators to serve for the next six months from a pool of sixteen candidates. Please vote here by 23:59 (UTC) on 26 September! For the coordinators,  Roger Davies  talk 22:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

WT:FAC
You were asked for by Fowler to opine. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Noted  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 23:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

See editing history and User_talk:Guru_Fatha_Singh_Khalsa/sand (a GFDL violation of Third Sikh Holocaust 1984). Is this a sock of ? Frankly, I don't care if the draft is worked on in userspace with an intention of extracting any usable sourced information it may contain, but given the new accounts editing history, I don't think the prospect of that are promising. Abecedare (talk) 17:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Direct hit  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 00:59, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the confirmation and block. I should trust my psychic power more: wait, wait, I see the numbers 130 ... 86 ... and something like "CSU sacred momento" ... Abecedare (talk) 02:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you dete the sandbox copyvio too ? Also User:GHALOOGHAARAA/x. Abecedare (talk) 02:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Complaint
I have made a complaint against you at Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents.  Xan  dar  19:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Noted  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Usual Bengali pov pushing??
Hi BL,

Hope you are doing well.

While I agree with most of your cleanups at Ghulam Azam, this edit summary ("usual Bengali pov pushing") is quite objectionable. Do you imply Bengalis usually do POV pushing? Or Bengali Wikipedians do so? I will assume good faith and think that you referred to Bengali nationalism here, but even then, "Usual Bengali pov pushing" is rather a bad choice of words for an edit summary. Please don't stereotype or categorize wikipedians based on their ethnicity or origin.

Bye. --Ragib (talk) 04:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Khatri
YM, can you take a look? This page was born with a POV tag. One editor KhatriNYC keeps reverting everyone else's edits including ImageBot's tagging of images, copy edits, dab link fixes and content edits. Quite a few people have tried to talk to him - Regentspark, myself and others, no effect, he just gets abusive (my talk page, article talk page, edit summaries; and of all things, apparently we are not Khatris and therefore jealous of them!). He was blocked yesterday for 24H, came back as an IP and reverted everything, now block has expired, and he's done one more revert. cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 02:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Blocked for sockpuppety. Socking always makes things easy for the admin  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the user seems paranoid, continuously harping that other contributors are not Khatris and are therefore jealous or haven't any right to contribute etc. For an article that I haven't contributed any content to, it's taken up more than my share of time! cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 03:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Your block has overlapped with mine. Can you add a note to the users page explaining what you have done and why, please? William M. Connolley (talk) 16:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Just a quick note, there wasn't an overlap (at least on timing). What happened was two other editors made some changes to the article after your block (I was a third edit - moving the wiktionary link to the see also section) and an IP came and reverted all with no explanation. I reverted the IP, and KhatriNYC reverted my edits. That's when I asked YM to check since that was two reverts within an hour of the 24H block for 3RR expiring, albeit one by an IP and one by the user and it turns out both were the same, as I suspected. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 18:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Oops sorry quite right - there is no overlap. But the talk page note still needs doing William M. Connolley (talk) 18:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, he's evading his block and chatting here, so maybe not  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

YellowMonkey, this KhatriNYC. And yes I am admitting to using an IP address to post a message to you right now since you have blocked my username (KhatriNYC) from even leaving you a message (which I don't know why). I'm just curious as to why you blocked my username (KhatriNYC) when I admitted that I forgot to login when I made an edit to the Khatri page? this is outrageous how you are being influenced by SpacemanSpiff since you have clearly taken his/her side without even acknowledging my reasons (i think there is a relationship between you too so obviously you favor a friend's view, but I'll leave that for another argument). that aside, I had to tell you....you were wrong for blocking my username, and I will work with another admin to have this removed if you do not do so yourself, on the grounds that you are abusing the power that you were priviledged to have by the Wiki site. I would ask you to acknowledge me on my page with a block removal within 24 hrs. Thank you for time, lets get this resolved asap! - KhatriNYC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.7.178 (talk) 17:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I aint goin anywhere  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

You seem to be causing a lot more headache for everyone else other then me. I'm looking at Xander's complaint against you and I can relate to him, you are a nuisance to this site cause you never let users other then the ones you have relations with give an explanation for their changes and you seem to have a power trip with throwing out blocks. Oh well, I guess you can figure out whats coming to you. - KhatriNYC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.7.178 (talk) 01:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * WEll since you're already evading your block, feel free to just go to ANI and start complaining already  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:22, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of international cricket centuries by Ricky Ponting/archive1‎
Steady trickle of comments rolling in. Can you see anything obvious?  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 00:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks :)  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 00:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Ponting said after the 2003 WC walk against SL: "I'm very surprised at the reaction. I won't be encouraging any of our batsmen to do it."  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 09:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure he also suggested that Gilchrist be (or might be) charged with dissent. lol  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure he said that. Probably thought it though. :P Tony Greig annoys me when he goes on about how a batsman should walk. I've seen footage where he's nicked it and stood his ground. Marsh and Lillee say Greig wouldn't go anywhere even if it was a bit nick. Bit hypocritical to me.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 01:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Done.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 10:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

keep

 * And it ended "not with a bang but a whimper". I was expecting a closing summary rivalling War and Peace in size, instead we got a brief, succinct and very appropriate close by an administrator who was not looking to "make a statement" but simply interpreting the consensus in the light of policy. I suspect merge tags may follow at some time in the future, but that is a concern for another day. As a former British PM once said "rejoice!". -- Mattinbgn\talk 00:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Marvellous!  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 00:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thankyou. Very sensible admin.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 01:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Replied on talk.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 06:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Congratulations and fabulous work on those articles. It's a travesty they were nominated for deletion. Keep up the good work - Draeco (talk) 15:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

AFL
You may not have seen the match, but Adelaide fluffed it again....  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 06:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I went away after the score was 38-10. Only scored 40-odd in the next three then. Appalling....As for the Invincibles the main has to be FA. Probably some more of the main stuff should be FA, eg Hassett/Morris/Lindwall/Miller/Johnston/Barnes in 48 and maybe the 1948 Ashes series. Now that it is closer maybe more will volunteer. Loxton is mostly done and Hassett and the main page 50% done for the basics  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hopefully.... On another note... Have you read 'Bradman And The Summer That Changed Cricket: The 1930 Australian Tour Of England'? probably notable of an article in the future. Anyway, Australian cricket team in England in 1948 and Lindsay Hassett should interesting enough?  Aaroncrick   ( talk ) 06:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * who wrote that book?  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket! ) 06:57, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Christopher Hilton. Can't say I know of him. Don't know enough about the series to know if everything is correct though...  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 07:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There are errors in every book that I've seen.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 07:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In the Invincibles advert, you linked the Bradman FAC instead of the Loxton one... Or am I missing something?  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 07:04, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 07:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Warne's auto picture book even has a few errors in matches where he's playing. Like saying that Slater hit the opening ball of the 2002/03 Ashes for four.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 07:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Expanded history section of York Park. Will be looking to take it for a FAC run shortly, after a copy edit and some minor ref tweaks.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 11:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Marvellous  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 00:59, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

With Ponting it shows you what quality comes out in the early hours of the morning, lol. Fixed half the issues.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It'll be easy. They didn't bother to point out any specifics on Gangu or SRT.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Was watching India V SL and soem of India's fielding was dreadful. Even Yuvraj. They played Nehra who has to be the worst fielder in the world. Ishant has lost the plot, bowling wide outside off.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 06:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Only Raina and Kohli are quality fielders. The rest are way below standard, the bowlers are bad even for bowlers' fielding standards. Yuvraj has been getting more and more rotund for a few years now. Ishant hasn't played well in ODIs for 18 months, can't field or bat... and is still there. I would've had Ojha in there any day.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Mendis has been worked out. 1/70 from 10 overs. Ishant was very very poor in the two matches I saw. The amount of over throws and dropped catches is amazing. Then they laugh about it. At least they occasionally hit the stumps ...  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 06:45, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They giggle and heckle each other during training, so it's no wonder they do the same in matches  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Gilly scored 149.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 07:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Finished referencing the lead. Did not know the cricket was on last night.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 01:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Good that you checked to see if my memory was right  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Spoff
You're dead right –Moondyne 08:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, on the road again. Won't be back for a couple more days.  Limited time/internet access till friday. –Moondyne 09:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

FA on the MP
Well done, mate --Stephen 00:26, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Put in there without a request less than a day before. Need to update it quick .... It was one of my earlier FAs too....  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket! ) 00:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

"Software updates are being applied to Wikimedia sites; we're shaking out some problems where some articles don't display correctly." Must be why all the infoboxes have gone...  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 00:50, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Surprising lack of vandalism, given the topic. Waiting for the usual complaints about cricket  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Who complain? Surely only new editors?  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 01:50, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The Americans about how cricket is nn  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:53, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Cricket is nn. *hides in Adelaide* &mdash;Dark 10:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Its been getting its fair share of vandals now. Anyway surely it's obvious that there's sources?  Aaroncrick   ( talk ) 15:54, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Big discussions are always an opportunity for a bit of PR catwalking. I've seen lots of articles that were sourced to Tamil Tiger websites and nobody cared because there was not big debate and opportunity to get famous. And when you get a lot of people who never write articles of clean them up except mechanical stuff, and then they get concerned about NPOV and OR and all that, it's a good sign of self promotion  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 23:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Good, was too tired to be bothered arguing.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 23:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I though I fixed some of the refs before... anyway I get in a complete muddle with them and need to be told everytime. I can't see why some are in italics and others aren't.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 00:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much again sir! Should remember now. Delinked ABC/Examiner. First ref where I used ABC I used Australian Broadcasting Corporation, just in case you're wondering.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 00:52, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Could you please undo your edit on Karmichael Hunt? As he was born in Auckland not Kaikohe. per  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Good work on Loxton.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 05:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It was surprisingly easy. I didn't know it would be so easy to get up to speed with it. :)  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If I wasn't busy I'd review it. Doubt there will be much to fix for GA. So won't take very long. I could do it after cricket training, as I've made the changes for the other reviews on paper but haven't typed them yet. Should be able to get Loxton done before you come back on Monday?  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 06:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No rush. It's not like it needs to be taken to FA soon, especially with my own personal backlog there  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. User talk:Thewayilikeit lol. Do you write article on your hardrive first?  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 06:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Usually, and then paste it into wiki and the browser can spot formatting errors that are hard to see in the raw text editor  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 06:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)