User talk:YellowMonkey/Archive149

FAR - amusement
Given that you've recused yourself from closing, I'll share a frustration. After walking away from the Hungary 56 FAR; SandyGeorgia coaxed me back to state gently, simply, peacefully a couple of whys. And the immediate response to me from Paul.h "Are you suggesting that "After World War II, Hungary [DIDN'T FALL] ... under the Soviet sphere of influence and was occupied by the Red Army."??? If not, what's the difference what reference is used for this obvious fact?--Paul (talk) 02:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)" sums up, quite adequately, the reasons why I felt I needed to walk away. This has been bugging me for an hour or more, so I guess I needed to get it off my chest. Fifelfoo (talk) 03:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we've made ourselves quite clear. The POINT allegation is a pretty obvious smokescreen I'm afraid. Implicitly accusing you of being a communist doesn't really mean anything when the pretty straightforward point about the inconsistent refs and the non-scholarly not-first-class book was completely ignored.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 04:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally, I felt that Istvan's POINT issue was about my opinion on scholarly sources, not my personal political beliefs. I see Istvan's contribution to the FAR as being quite serious, if upset about the article he's stewarded.  Some other reviewers, I feel, see this as a political battlefield.
 * The WEIGHT / content issues I have are:
 * The article has a gap 1953-October 1956 in its narrative
 * Pressures of deStalinisation in Poland and Hungary
 * Failure to deal with the Hungarian Writer's Association's conflict with the central Party apparatus 1953-1956, basically the "Lemonade" issue, "They gave us seawater to drink and told us it was lemonade, and we praised it for its sweetness."
 * Failure to deal with the HSWP Underground / Worker Education Movement / Petofi circles in the period 1944-1956; this is the background for MEFESZ
 * Failure to deal with the Rajk scandal and the September crisis / the unseating of Stalin's Best Hungarian Disciple
 * The article holds to a particular mythic (though not untrue) account of October 23 to November 4
 * Failure to deal seriously with the Workers Councils
 * Failure to deal with the re-organisation and contest within the Communist Party and the Student's organisation of a dissident Communist Party (wrt Lukacs's daughter)
 * Failure to deal with the re-emergence of the SDP and the independent fraternal parties as pro-socialist independent blocks
 * Failure to deal with the mixed record of Local / Geographic Councils
 * Failure to deal with areas where the revolution failed in regional Hungary
 * The article's post November 4 account is weak
 * Failure to deal adequately with the Greater Budapest Worker's Council and the post November 4 Defence of Budapest, and negotiations
 * Or the appalling bloodshed in Red Csepel
 * The article's lack of historiography / reception issues is concerning
 * Istvan Bibo's central european commonwealth
 * Communist and Anti-Communist receptions; particularly the mythology of 1956 in anarchist / lib com circles and the Captive Nations movement
 * Mythologisation by Hungarians.
 * These don't paint a pretty picture of the HSWP, The Soviet Union, or the revolutionary competence of the Hungarian Writer's Association, or the Petofi or MEFESZ revolutionary / democratic / pro-workers council communists. But its somewhat more accurate, and somewhat better representative of the variety of scholarly weights. Its like there's a revolution article at the moment, without the revolution. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Nash
Thanks for holding the fort for me. I'll hopefully get the time this weekend to head down the library for more research so maybe just as well no one is reviewing it. --Roisterer (talk) 08:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You came back just in time!  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 20:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

GA review
Just a heads up to say that I've responded to your GA review on Zersenay Tadese. Cheers and sorry for the delay! Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) Join WikiProject Athletics!  20:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's ok, I've been out of commission for a while too  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 20:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Nangparbat
Hi. This looks like an ip sock of User:NangparbatCathode anode crooke (talk) 05:41, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * He may also follow my ip contribs and attack those articles. 59.160.210.68 (talk) 05:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * * Wikireader41 (talk) 03:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

GA: Behemoth (roller coaster)
I believe the changes specified in your Peer Review have been completed. Thanks. Dheppens (talk) 02:34, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 22:02, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

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Yikes
FYI, User talk:Marskell. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 17:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * ugh. Featured article review/Shuttle–Mir Program/archive1 is just a sloppy, sloppy review, not worthy of FAR.  In cases like that, Marskell used to ping reviewers to check back in.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 17:27, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That can happen a lot if the folks fix up the article, people are reluctant to do a proper check, so there are some either keeps to get it over with, so they just don't want to review thing that aren't clearcut. BTW, I think the Hungarian Uprising issues have been laid out very clearly, except that in some cases of emotive wars/uprisings, people can sometimes vote on articles depending on what they think of the moral right/wrong of the subject matter.  YellowMonkey   ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 04:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Kanthaka
I agree it's a real horse, but with mystical deeds ascribed to him. So we have a catch-22 of how to help people find the article about him. My primary concern is how to use wiki's categorization scheme to help people find famous horses of myth and legend, and that can include the real ones. Not trying to argue he's not real, more trying to increase exposure! Montanabw (talk) 20:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What about "Horses and mythology"  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 01:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * We have that "horses in religion and culture" category, and the "mythological horses" category -- And not a ton of articles in either one. I can't figure out a way to combine them that doesn't upset the people who don't want "religion" called "myth."  ("horses in religion and myth" would be logical, but would get a wiki=drama going, I fear...)  Any bright ideas?  I'm all ears.  Montanabw (talk) 03:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, why not have a try, and see if they revolt  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 20:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Brian
User:BrianBeahr has reported me to AIV after I reported him. Lol.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 09:24, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Look at this if you're inclined. Bit disappointing really. :(  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 09:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah blocked, how fortunate  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 20:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Hassett looks good at the back end and you were in submission for a couple of days? Never seen you edit on a weekend though.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 01:28, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Change of circumstances  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 01:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Haven't properly done the rest. Should be all done when you're back on Monday.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 04:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Haven't visited Tasmanian arts for 6 months and sadly nothings changed, when I was looking through earlier :(  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 04:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Waterfalls, waterfalls, waterfalls!
Feeling wikistress? Wish you could have a vacation someplace with two dozen waterfalls? Well the next best thing is here!

If you want to, please come look at pictures of waterfalls and pick which ones you like best. You'll be helping make a better article too.

Thanks, Dincher (talk) and Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

P.S. That wikilink again: User talk:Ruhrfisch/Waterfalls

P.P.S. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
 * Thanks very much - I figured I would leave about 20 messages and see who showed up. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Your FA's
Aren't popular?  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 06:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Definitely not. I wish I was here in the old days when it was more liberal and then self-improved it instead with time. Although I might have ended up with too much junk baggage that way if I didn't at least do a reasonable job,  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 06:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You were here in late 2005 according to Pop ups so you must know what you are talking about. When were FA's first common? 2004?  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 06:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just wandering about looking at and he once did a FA voting session and voted for about 50 FACs in three hours. "Support looks good", "Oppose no picture". One liners were pretty normal, Most FAs were 10 one-liner votes. It was just like AFD really, not much thought as long as it wasn't a mess. Ponting even S Waugh or Simpson and Lawry would easily pass an early 2006 FAC  YellowMonkey   ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 06:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh shucks, interesting reading through past cricket archives ... Early life of the Waugh twins could pass a GAN with limited work, particularly if the reviewer knows nothing about them. You worked on both main articles but stopped - same with Beanaud. Waugh would be 100kb + if done properly.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 06:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * We really need more people working on Aus cricket articles. And I bit off too many things and don't look like finishing some of the modern guys anytime. Especially as Border made tons more grumpy incidents than Ponting; criticising the Pakistani umpires, not turning up to the code of conduct trial etc, bagging useless teammates all the time. Need to find some more details on the early life.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 06:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I Don't have any books on Border. Matt did lots on Hughes but he's fairly dormant now unfortunately. At least once the Invincibles are done and you're not burned out, you will have heaps of articles to go back to.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 07:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the porblem with burnouts and half-done would-be FAs. did heaps, on hte English scene  YellowMonkey   ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 07:15, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Then someone like me is going to suggest you move onto thematic articles: Drunkenness and Australian Cricket. For example. Fifelfoo (talk) 07:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well Keith Miller played drunk a few times. Symonds  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 07:15, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Boon scored 124 (or there abouts) against India in an ODI when drunk. Threw up while batting I think.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 09:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * "York Park has often been criticised for its large playing surface, which is blamed for producing low-scoring football, which is regarded as unattractive." This needs at least one citation. Also needs a copyedit - two clauses beginning "..., which". Do you have a ref for this?  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 04:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, teh ones about Parkin and the wing being lopped off  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 04:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm over the article for at least six months - lol. Tendulkar only scored 4 ... he and milestones don't mix.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 04:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's close. Why give up  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 05:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Your sig
Petitioning for support is not considered good wikiquette: going so in your sig seems highly inappropriate. Kevin McE (talk) 08:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I was more hoping to avoid the long 3month GA queue on the last 2 remaining articles than a pile on support.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 23:36, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Ton That Dinh
I finally looked at this FAC, expecting to give it support... but that wasn't quite what happened. Interested in feedback at the FAC discussion. hamiltonstone (talk) 02:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Mike Kafka GAR
Could you look at the changes User:Giants27 and I have made to the article? Thanks,  Eagles   24/7   (C)  23:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, what about his playing style??  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 23:47, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll get on that in a few.  Eagles   24/7   (C)  23:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Follow-up: Would this section need citations or references?  Eagles   24/7   (C)  23:55, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it would. I presume that in matches where he played a prominent report, the news report would mention something at the least, or in an in-depth focus article on him  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 23:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I added the Playing style section. It is small, but that is just because there is no scouting report on him as of yet.  Eagles   24/7   (C)  00:26, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Well done  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 00:48, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you YellowMonkey.  Eagles   24/7   (C)  02:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

On that note, I've finished up all of your concerns on the Nathan Horton GA.-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 02:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann_4
Sincerely thanking you for clarifying. Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:43, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I guess I'm developing super powers now! I actually checked the contrib history to compare against Missss recently, but thought they weren't the same, and so didn't check with you. Should have checked earlier, saw that you identified as a sock yesterday. cheers. - Spaceman  Spiff  04:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't follow the content but I imagine it would have been pretty obvious to anyone who follows Tamil civilisation type stuff  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 04:30, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thought there was a link between the two users (IP was easier), but couldn't come to a conclusion, because there are too many of those on Tamil articles. BTW, GA review question, Kannada literature in the Kingdom of Mysore, the nominator has gone cold, and there are some pending questions, the article is of GA quality for the most part, but there are some obvious referencing questions that need to be addressed. Just wait another week and close it as a "no show" or is a Pass/Fail required? cheers. - Spaceman  Spiff  04:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You might have to just clean it up yourself and pass it, if you want.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 20:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Kiliaen van Rensselaer (Dutch merchant)/archive1
Amusing levels of Primary Source reliance and OR. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Commented there. The collection of letters includes a summary at teh front by the 1908 historian, which is not Or/primary in that part at least  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 04:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Watson plays for Queensland I thought - Cricinfo article
"Shane Watson should start to open the batting for New South Wales if he is to continue as a Test opener, according to the former Australia captain Mark Taylor. Australia's two Test openers, Watson and Simon Katich, are both New South Wales players this season but the problem is that state has a surfeit of openers ... Taylor insisted that if he was playing Watson should bump Hughes or Jaques down the order. 'One thing I'd like to see with Shane Watson, if you're going to be a long-term opening batsman, is to take up opening the batting full-time," Taylor told AAP. "That's going to be an interesting discussion with people like Simon Katich and Phil Hughes and Phil Jaques at New South Wales. I know what I'd say if I was in their shoes.'" cricinfo article

Makes absolutely no sense. I'm sure Watson plays for Queensland not NSW. Am I missing something?  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 21:03, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, finally finished Hassett.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 23:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Watson stated a few months ago that he was moving.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket! ) 23:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, Cricinfo still hasn't updated his article. Didn't know that. Interesting that he moved to NSW though. Would have got more of a chance at the top of the order at QLD you'd think. Surprising how NSW lost to Tassie, despite having 8 international players (7 who have played Tests) playing opposed to Tasmania's 1 (Krejza).  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 23:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * He moved before the unexpected gig as Test opener, for family reasons [gf] I think.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 20:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wish you luck in the heat :S  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 23:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, replied as Hass. Anything else?  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 23:47, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Congrats. Will pass later today however. Bit busy now.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 00:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Only the main article to go then  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 01:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Should be reviewed soon?  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 19:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Why is it that only some Aus cricketers are linked to their state project others not?  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 20:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The tak page ratings and linkages are often not up to speed  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (help the Invincibles Featured topic drive) 23:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

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Tran emperors
Grenouille vert (talk) 04:58, 24 November 2009 (UTC) Grenouille vert (talk) 12:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you, I'll take notice. Grenouille vert (talk) 01:46, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Gobi Desert protection?
Aye, the Gobi Desert article has seen quite a number of vandal edits lately, mainly from anonymous editors. Perhaps we should consider protecting it? Cheers, --Rayshade (talk) 13:45, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 20:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)