User talk:YellowMonkey/Archive64

The Good Article Medal of Merit

 * Woo, go team! I'm gonna get Brisbane to GA, I think. &mdash; H 2O &mdash;  07:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you take another look at Passenger (Powderfinger song) when you get the chance? &mdash; H 2O &mdash;  09:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Silver Springs State Fish and Wildlife Area
I have done a lot of work on this article, see the notes on the talk page. My trip to the library was a bust, the listing I thought was a book was actually just a map. I think I have found everything there is to find about it. If you wouldn't mind taking a look now that would be great. I am looking at the gas station today, I will see where it stands, I don't know if I can dig up everything in time, I may need a couple extra days, if that's okay. I have been on somewhat of a wikibreak of late. Thanks. IvoShandor 16:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ambler's Texaco Gas Station may now be up to snuff, take a look. I may need a couple extra days on Plano Stone Church, I just noticed it yesterday or the day before or something. Thanks. IvoShandor 17:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure it looks great from first glance.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

GAN Reviewer of the Week

 * Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:??
Exams have been mostly well. Just had Physics today :). I think my best exam so far was the second Maths one. I have one more to go though. When does the SACE take place? GizzaDiscuss  &#169; 06:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I probably should (now). Will have to motivate myself for one last time. See you soon. GizzaDiscuss  &#169; 06:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar
Thank you very much! I'm currently just trying to create articles for all the redlinks in traffic signs, so there's a few more to come yet... Laïka 08:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

ACM DYK
Thanks for your encouraging words. Taprobanus 15:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Didn't get it
Hi BL, you have mentioned under the hook of Ultra Fast Attack Craft Series III in Template talk:Did you know as it is a bit borderline on length. What do you mean by it exactly? Cheers. -- ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪  walkie-talkie  |  tool box  15:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, well shorter articles generally have low priority, and that article is one of the shorter offerings.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I see. But currently that article holds 1775 characters without considering the infobox and lists which exceeds the DYK criteria. I'll try to add 200+ characters to the article today. Thanks for the clarification :) -- ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪  walkie-talkie  |  tool box  05:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah... 1500 is the bare minimum. Articles less than 2000 usually wait around a bit ...  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Finally I made it. Now it's have 2670 characters. -- ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪  walkie-talkie  |  tool box  16:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well done, enjoy.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 01:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Pls see the DYK nom on Nov 1 for Scouting in displaced persons camps. Where does it say size is a factor? That is not a requirement. You're penalizing people for trying to make it halfway decent before moving to mainspace? Did you miss "note: article was in Phips' workshop until 1 Nov, when it was moved to mainspace."? It is eligible. See comments there by others. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 10:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I missed the fact that it was moved on Nov 1. I thought it was an expansion, in which case it wouldn't have qualified because it was already too big for a 5X expansion to be possible.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 23:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 10:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

In Remembrance...
--nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 06:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Wisden Trophy
Would like some feedback on page as I am intending to go for a FA drive soon. Monsta666 14:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The prose still...  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Monk
I'm a little busy with work at the moment, but I'll dip in and out. 09:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Quick questions straight off the bat: is it correct to romanize his (and other Vietnamese names), and is there a surname form of Vietnamese names (so we can use Thich and Ngo for instance like we use Macartney rather than Charlie Macartney)? Andplus 09:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've just seen that Diem is used for Ngô Đình Diệm, so does that mean Duc can be used for Thích Quảng Ðức? Andplus 09:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thich Quang Duc is a religious name, so not using the full name doesn't work at all. Nor is the surname thing applicable.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 08:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Finished the first run through. I've left many hidden comments. I think it needs restructuring along the lines of Self-immolation->Funeral->Heart->Reaction and aftermath (including the fall of Diem). That would take away the immediacy of the photo's impact it is true, but I think it better to complete his story first before placing it in a wider context as it largely removes the need to repeat events and avoids referring to events that have not yet been explained. The Romanization and use of full names does need addressing too, it seems fairly random with the two main protagonists switch back and forth between Romanized and Vietnamese script and some Vietnamese people never being rendered in Vietnamese script. I assume you are intending to put this up for a a candidate for Featured Article? It is an interesting read. Andplus 16:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've removed all the diacritics except the first mentions of the various names of Thich Quang Duc and the quote "Nam mo A Di Da Phat". Apart from that the full names are only used in the first instance. Yeah, I've moved the discussion into the other format. Works just as well mostly I think.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 08:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh-ho - I think I could be persuaded to rouse myself for this one! -- !! ?? 13:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * :) :) :)  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 08:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Are redlinks forbidden in featured articles? I noticed you created one line articles to deal with them which seems odd to me. Andplus 08:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's technically not required but if it pleases the customer it's probably a good idea.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 08:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Seem pointless to me: pandering to the limited attention span of reviewers doesn't help the encyclopedia. A one line article is worse than a redlink, IMHO. Still, I won't throw a hissy fit, it looks to be garnering support and quite rightly too, redlinks or no redlinks. Andplus 09:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, but it's easier for me simply to spend five minutes on each so they now are 1kb or something,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that in the Arrest and assassination of Ngô Đình Diệm Diem and his brother are referred to as the "Ngos". This is bit confusing: either this is like referring to the "Bobs" in which case it is not very encyclopedic language, or we should be referring to Ngo when we mean Ngo Dinh Diem in articles where his brother isn't mentioned, or there is some odd (to English speakers) use of names in Vietnamese, in which case how about writing an article to explain it? I copy edited the Hue Vesak shootings by the way; pretty good overall, but the coverage of the shootings themselves is very brief and somewhat confused. Andplus 12:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I think the Ngos is correct because the name "Ngo" is common to both of them, it is their family name, like the "Bushes". Yeah Viets are always referred to by given name, Nhu and Diem, since there are only a few surnames out there in VN land. But if you are talking about a family or a dynasty, you would use the family name like Nguyen dynasty and Trinh lords. Yes, I will have to go through the actual shootings. It wasn't an orderly event and the actual shooting probably only lasted a few minutes and there wasnt a shot by shot reconsrtuction, unlike the assassination of JFK or Yitzhak Rabin.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Kalmunai massacre
Hi Your comment on the T:DYK does not make any sense. It further does not give any hint as what your concerns are so that they can be fixed. Now, I have asked other admins, who are largely not involved, to comment. I hope you are open to other's suggestions. Please tell me what the MOS violations are. What is not Cited. Finally, what is the POV sources. If you are referring to UTHR please let me know how it is POV. Thanks Watchdogb 17:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

UTHR
Here are what other reliable sources claiming about UTHR


 * 
 * . Here they are called "Leading righs body"
 * Uthr reported abuses by LTTE]
 * If anythin UTHR is a anti-LTTE source.
 * More people using UTHR.

This is something another admin has found:


 * PBS Frontline: UTHR "has published scathing reports detailing human-rights abuses in Sri Lanka", including criticism of the LTTE
 * BBC: "a prominent Tamil human rights groups accused the Tamil Tigers ..."
 * Chronicle of Higher Education: "The University Teachers for Human Rights is the only remaining Tamil Human-Rights group critical of the Tiger leadership."
 * International Herald Tribune: "an independent Sri Lankan advocacy group"

Last, the two people who are running UTHR right now have won the Martin Ennals Award for Human Rights Defenders for 2007. IF these are not enough to show that this citation is Notable and is IS NPOV I have no idea what is. Watchdogb 17:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It has been a day and still nothing has been said by you on this issue. I will WP:AGF, however, understand that denying a DYK on an article based on something and not helping to fix the problem is violating WP:AGF yourself. Watchdogb 18:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Erm, winning a Prize does not make someone NPOV. Do you think Yasser Arafat would be NPOV for Ariel Sharon? You also have now informed us that UTHR is a Tamil group. I didn't know that before, but to have 80% of the sources from one of the ethnic groups invovled is hardly fair is it? I am not violating AGF.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Erm Erm Erm, actually this is what is called complaining without knowing. Actually, UTHR is the one of the most outspoken people against LTTE and their HR violations. If you think that being Tamil makes them POV, then please let me know because I have a whole lot I can show you this way. Now the question to you is- is being tamil make you POV when defending HR. Please do not bring comment about LTTE because they assassinated one of the found members of the UTHR. Pleae answer my question. Oh before you reply I will say that being a hypocrit is violating AGF but that is just a side note- not really directed at you, just in general Watchdogb 00:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, and Yasser Arafat also criticises Hamas sometimes and sometimes Hamas and Fatah also fight each other. Although Arafat probably thinks that Hamas is excessive at times, it is also probably true that he doesn't mind Israelis being killed as much as Palestinians. Which is why UTHR isn't ok unless balanced by Sinhalese human rights activists.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you've heard what he said. UTHR is made up with the university teachers from Jaffna uni and they are representing the Sri Lankan Tamils. Since they are rooting from one part of the Lankan civil war they are hard to be categorized as neutral. Since one of them were killed by the LTTE it doesn't mean that they are neutral. Prabakan does not hesitate to kill the people whom he sees as obstacles, even his relatives. Eg: Mahattaya (his cousin). Frankly the article is okay if not completely depend on the UTHR. -- ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪  walkie-talkie  |  tool box  04:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, you are the only third party who seem to suggest that UTHR is not reliable and is POV. Again I have asked more than 3 or 4 other third part if UTHR was reliable and they all say that it is. How is it that you and the "Other side" are the only ones who seem to oppose UTHR to be used as a citation ? You want sinhalese HR organizations ? Please show me any of the HR Sinhalese organization that exist (which is not run by the GOSL ) and show me evidence that they have been used in any RS like UTHR has. Further please show me evidence that says that other RS calling them leading HR organization. I do not know how you compare a HR organization with Yasser Arafat. So now go ahead, prove your claims. Show me wikipedia rules that says that a Organization that has been quoted by many RS, including other HR groups, and has been called Leading HR organization and an independent Sri Lankan advocacy group can be classified POV source just because it is from one side of the ethnic conflict (note: Eventhough they are highly critical of the group that is fighting to liberate them). If you do not have any wikipedia rules (BTW none of the side stepped rules that say "Both views shoud be represented equally" because UTHR does represent everything equally- if LTTE kills civilians, then they will be named as the criminals and if SLA does it, then they will shot that SLA is) then admit that you made a mistake. Watchdogb 12:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I am done laughing out loud about your comparision of Yasser Arafat to a HR group. This is the worst type of example I have seen. Wait, has Yasser Arafat even been called a Leading HR group ? Thanks for making my day Watchdogb 12:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well no, I was responding to your comment that winning a HR type prize is a good enough qualification. It means there is supposed to be balance. Yes, that means we quote both Isreali and Palestinian HR orgs. I would say that a lot of HR orgs may be biased towards their own groups. Even umpires... which is why they use umpires from outside the two competing teams.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok cool it is understandable. However, please understand that UTHR is not POV. They are highly critical of both sides of the conflict. So again I am not here to pick a fight but please, if you can find, show me a source that says that UTHR is a bias source or a pov source (I mean a source from what we here in wikipedia consider a RS (BBC, HRW, AI ect ect ect). Remember that as editors we cannot say what is RS and what is not. Specially for people like us who have no idea about the actual situation in Sri Lanka. Thanks Watchdogb 02:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well even if it is an RS, things like "regarded as" are opinions and so forth, and some things are also disputed, so an appropriate range of sources, disputed statistics and opinions is preferable.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Erm, I forgot to ask you something. How can you, being admin/ARMCOM and all, forget that with explicit attribution, even the most POV source can be used. Note that Asian times supports the claim that SLA did the massacre and that 160 people were killed. This is why I have explicit attribute to the claim that 250 (actually more died but who care we are just Tamils). Watchdogb 12:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, but even with attribtion, if you only allow comments, eg, by LTTE leaders and not GoSL officials, then that turns into a bit of a soapbox. Also the hook isn't really enough space to put the disclaimers in.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I know your are a really great guy, Blynguyn. I know that you are not a hypocrit. Thus I know you will oppose the use of Rohan gunaratna's citation on the LTTE article (Without explicit attribution) because this is something like you compared to earlier- Yasser Arafat to Hamas as to Rohan gunaratna to Sri Lankan Army (though I am not drawing any parallel between YA to RG except in the same contex you tried to draw parallel). Remember you cannot say anything about experties at Terrorism because if you did, then you yourself are indeed saying that UTHR is RS because they are Experts (wikipedia standards at least) at their HR field. I know you wouldnt because according to logics, if P->Q and Q->R then P->R. Watchdogb 12:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I don't know about RG so perhaps I should look him up, but even though Janet Albrechtsen (conservative) could be quoted then a leftwinger like Phillip Adams would also need to be quoted for NPOV.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * As for your comment above please let me know what can be done if only one side is represented (in this case if only Janet Albrechtsen was quoted and not Watchdogb 02:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you please respond to queries above and the one some comments above that. Thought I would prompt you because the other comment is in the whole bunch of messy looking sentence above. Thanks Watchdogb 21:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * UNHCR uses citation from UTHR here. This definitely has to show that UTHR is a RS. Watchdogb 02:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Or how about the The Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada using UTHR [here] Watchdogb 02:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * or or how about Human Rights Watch using UTHR as a source [here] Watchdogb 02:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I see.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * So do you agree that it is RS or do you still disagree. Thanks Watchdogb 19:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure. But my main concern was that it was one-sided in terms of "all significant views".  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok fair enough. I am going to merge the article with the Police massacre. I do not know how to do this thing. Is it at all possible that you do this with sysop ? If there is anything that I should do before the merge please let me know. Thanks Watchdogb 01:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Just cut and paste from one to the other. Then I can do an admin thing to join the two history records together. Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 01:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I have cut-pasted June 1990 massacre of police officers in Eastern Sri Lanka into Kalmunai massacre. I have cut out some cats but that should not matter too much. Anyways, can you merge the history once you have time. Thanks again Blnguyen Watchdogb 00:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for the help. Appreciate your help with this. Thanks again Watchdogb 00:16, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK comment and looking for clarification,
 * You're welcome. I don't get to merge things very often.` Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

here. Thanks Taprobanus 12:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

no more DYK?
Hi, I was really happy to see the Kazi Salahuddin article, but it's now removed, would that not be a Dyk anymore?--Tarif from Bangladesh 01:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the main source of the article is an autobio by Mr Salahuddin himself, so I don't think that's what we expect from the main page. Using self-sourcing is not usually a good idea, especially when he there was a para which said that he was the best young athlete and it was sourced to his own article.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 01:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * We don't have enough books written by others and enough info in the internet about Bangladesh. So, I had to use self-source. Can we remove that line and still use it, I was concerned about the line. Don't get annoyed, I was just asking. Anyway, I was really happy to see that article on the main page even as a mistake. Thanks for that. Regards --Tarif from Bangladesh 02:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, most of the article is referenced to #2. If we comment out the parts referenced to #2, there is not much left.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Tarif Ezaz, if you could find separate references that cover the material sourced by ref #2, that would be fine. Autobiographical works tend to exaggerate details, so it's always best to have an independent, third-party source. Nishkid64 (talk) 02:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

There's an interview of him taken by The Daily Star. It's given at the external links section. Hard to find anything else. When I took those information from his autobiographical article on eid edition of Prothom Alo, I tried to be extra concious. For instance, I read manytimes that he scored 180 goals in Dhaka league, but he said he scored more than 200 goals. So, I didn't mention that. Older versions of Bichitra and other newspapers should have these informations. But it's really hard to get them from National Library. I'm sure that Prothom Alo had checked those info as well. I was reading a blog about the Swadhin Bangla Football Dal and saw a picture there, Salahuddin was actually leading his team out of the ground there. So, what do you think. All that I can say, eid edition of PA is a masterpiece. It has a lot of historical things. Would that be enough here. Regards --Tarif from Bangladesh 02:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * here's the blog. watch the second picture at the bottom. Salahuddin is in the middle. --Tarif from Bangladesh 02:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * He also said, he was one of the leading cricketer of the country and his cricketer friends always wanted him with them play cricket. Didn't include that one as well. Reversely, I did not write he is the first Bangladeshi player to play in a foreign professional league (which is true, of course), because that's not on his article. Tried my best to manage. Sorry to Blnguyen though, for messing up his talk page. I'm not angry or something on you, just saying what actually happened there--Tarif from Bangladesh 02:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I justed searched Cricinfo for Salahuddin and I couldn't find any mention of him on their database as having played first class cricket. I'm not sure if there was first class cricket in Bangladesh when it was East Pakistan or in the 1970s, but Pakistan did play Test matches in Dhaka before 1971. . .Fazal Mahmood was famous for his bowling on the matting wickets in the old days. But if he was the leading cricketer yet he is not mentioned in Cricinfo, then it is dubious, which is why inerviews with the subject are not that reliable, since they may say self-promoting things that might not be true. They are really only accurate for expressing their personal POV. With autobiographies in books it is better, but for opinion columns and blogs in newspapers it would definitely be a no-no. If he had a profile on Cricinfo you could have used that. It's rotten sometimes, I look for things in Vietnamese about the most famous pop stars of the 1960s who used to have recordings and sing for the soldiers in front of 20,000 people but there are no news sources that are accessible.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

GA Review for Algebra
Thanks for the thoughtful review of Algebra. You very accurately described it as broken into two distinct parts, neither complete, and with no smooth transition. I think your review will help focus contributor energy towards improving the article as a whole, not just by the addition of another dot. JackSchmidt 01:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks for selecting Ulf of Borresta for DYK.--Berig 13:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK from Kirsten Sheridan
Hey, that's cool! Thanks! --Melty girl 07:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK Fayum mummy portraits
Thank you! athinaios 08:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Drinking and editing
LOL...yes I do, which is what I can blame for all my silly grammar mistakes and typos. :p Seriously though, thank you for all your work with the DYK project. It's a thankless task but you and the other admins have been doing a great job in keeping it humming. AgneCheese/Wine 10:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Quick question
Another user moved History of Sherry to History of sherry with the lowercase for Sherry. Sherry is a trademarked wine term and is more properly capitalized much like Champagne (wine) is when it is referring to the wine from the Champagne region. Is there an easy way to move this back to the correct capitalization without having to go through the WP:RM process? AgneCheese/Wine 00:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You can just move it by yourself with the move button. The redirect doesn't have any other history, so a non admin can do it.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah! Silly me for not trying that first. I though non-admins could only do page moves if the move target didn't already exist. Thanks! AgneCheese/Wine 00:17, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * :)  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

E-mail
I have sent one. Acalamari 00:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Bingo,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Acalamari 00:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK: Marrack Goulding
Thanks! Black Falcon (Talk) 01:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

South Vietnam Edit
I reverted your revision because it didn't fix the problem. The paragraph was a mixture of tidbits that didn't go well together. You're welcome to rewrite and refine the paragraph without omitting any details, but not to keep a low quality paragraph without any efforts to make it evidently improved.

If you want to do further edits, note that To Cong should be translated as "Communist Denunciation", not "Anti-Communist Denunciation". The prefix "Anti" is redundant in this context.

Brightc 03:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Aha, looks like you just blanked out the bit about Diem proclaiming himself president and then losing control. As for the Denunciation, it came from a book.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't give a shit what Diem proclaimed. You're keeping a poorly written paragraph because you wanted to keep that tidbit? Yeah, fine with me, but don't be lazy and do some edit to make it read better. This is about quality and not quantity, and now, it looks to me you even have some personal agenda attached to it.
 * Brightc 04:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm interested in the book that mistranslates the name To Cong. Can you provide its title?
 * Brightc 04:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I used an identical thing in Pham Ngoc Thao - Jacobs, p. 90.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 04:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The book mistranslates it. "Anti-Communist Denunciation" makes no sense. You're really not fluent in Vietnamese, are you? I suggest you do away with the book and get the name right.
 * Brightc 04:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:NOR. Well the book isn't so good, but I'll look around for another book. I can see that the translation is not ideal from reading the Vietnamese. Blnguyen   ( bananabucket ) 04:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please find another book. I see that you've contributed a lot, but be responsible. Once again, when thinking about quantity vs. quality, quality should be first and foremost.
 * Brightc 04:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm interested in the book that mistranslates the name To Cong. Can you provide its title?
 * Brightc 04:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I used an identical thing in Pham Ngoc Thao - Jacobs, p. 90.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 04:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The book mistranslates it. "Anti-Communist Denunciation" makes no sense. You're really not fluent in Vietnamese, are you? I suggest you do away with the book and get the name right.
 * Brightc 04:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:NOR. Well the book isn't so good, but I'll look around for another book. I can see that the translation is not ideal from reading the Vietnamese. Blnguyen   ( bananabucket ) 04:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please find another book. I see that you've contributed a lot, but be responsible. Once again, when thinking about quantity vs. quality, quality should be first and foremost.
 * Brightc 04:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

You also wrote:

"The polled was supervised and rigged by his younger brother Ngo Dinh Nhu, and the Diem ended with 98% of the vote. In many districts, he polled more votes than the number of registered voters, and in Saigon, he recorded 133% of the registered population."

Can you name a source that Mr. Nhu actually "rigged the vote"? If this once again is original research, I think it's irresponsible if somehow you make others believe these are factual events. I don't owe anything to Diem, and I'm not defending him, but I think it's very suspicious when serious charges toward historical figures are provided in Wikipedia without any credible resources to back them up. Brightc 04:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't engaged in original research. Otherwise I would have translated To Cong myself. As for the info about the referendum, per WP:SS I did not source it in South Vietnam because the article has a main and seealso on it leading to 1955 State of Vietnam referendum and everything there is referenced.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 04:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I found your citation in the main article. You quoted from Karnow and Jacobs. Since Jacobs is probably the author of the same book that mistranslates "To Cong", and is one which you admit as "not so good", unless Karnow states exactly that Nhu fixed the election, you should think about revising it. I agree with you that the election was rigged, but I don't know who did it. I rely on Wikipedia contributors like you, so please get the sources right.
 * I meant that Jacobs was not so good with his Vietnamese translations. He is a history professor. The Tucker encyc also noted that Nhu's people engaged in physical intimidating and that they did the vote counting...and that mathematically impossible tallies eventuated.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 04:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the current revision. If you can fix the "polled" spelling, removing some white spaces, and maybe revise the run-on last sentence, that would be perfect. Thank you.
 * Brightc 04:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, you can change polled if you want, but in Australia, "polled" is used as a proper word to mean "received votes".  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 04:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't buy it. I don't think the Wikipedia writing style allows colloquial spellings. Dude, if you misspell something, just admit it, and maybe I can fix it for you. No need to try to beat around the bush.
 * I'll leave it as is. I'm sure it'll be fixed soon because it's not a mistake that's too hard to spot.
 * Brightc 04:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The front page of The Australian from yesterday has "John Howard polled just under 50% in his electoral division in the 2004 election" in the third paragraph.  Daniel  04:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)