User talk:YellowMonkey/Archive73

Grameen Bank
Thanks for your interest in the article on Grameen Bank. But, you seem to have removed a number of primary source citations from the article. Those were from the list of the company's own subsidiaries, it's performance details made public, and its stated policy. If there is no blanket call against all primary sources, it is difficult see why all that should be removed. I also looked for the reason of the GA delisting of the article, but it seems that it was not reported/discussed anywhere. If you could lead me to any report/notice/discussion on the reason why, I may be able to improve upon the article. Aditya (talk • contribs) 10:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well it's generally assumed that a business would not necessarily be honest or neutral about its activities, that it is why it is expected that the information is derived from 3rd party reports such as news reports from economics papers and so forth. I think that without having to repeat things, it is along the same lines as what Nishkid said a while ago. Also I replied to your comment about Riya Sen above.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Spam 4 u
Hi BLN - we're planning a third meetup in Adelaide sometime in the coming weeks, and would love to have you there. If you can, please help decide a location, a date and a time here. Thanks!
 * A proper one, not just a cabal one :) ~ Riana ⁂ 12:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hrmm... Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:VIETNAM
I had a couple questions on categories for the bot to run through. Please remember, though, that my knowledge of all things Vietnamese comes solely from the TV, so if I seem ignorant, it's because I am :)

Are at least 80% of the articles in the following categories ones that "belong" to WP:VIETNAM?


 * Category:Indochina Wars
 * Category:Indochina Wars
 * Category:Islands of the South China Sea
 * Category:Japanese war crimes
 * Category:Naval battles of the Sino-French War
 * Category:Paris by Night singers
 * Category:People of the First Indochina War
 * Category:Second Indochina War
 * Category:Sino-French War
 * Category:Tai history
 * Category:Tai peoples
 * Category:Third Indochina War
 * Category:Unified Buddhist Church Buddhists

Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks for pointing that out. Some of them I wasn't looking carefully enough. Category:Islands of the South China Sea, Category:Japanese war crimes, Category:Naval battles of the Sino-French War, Category:Tai history, Category:Tai peoples need to go. I'll comment them out on the cat list.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 23:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Blnguyen! I have roughly 180 categories left to tag.  But I've run up against a couple fixes I want to make to the bot's coding.  And I'm traveling today.  So it will be Thursday or Friday before I can get the bot to run through another batch of those.  Just thought I'd let you know.  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:54, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Rename request
Could you rename Nguyen lords to Nguyen Lords? Thanks. DHN (talk) 23:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Without diacritics? Same for Trinh lords too I presume?  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 23:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, they should have diacritics. I meant the L in Lords needs to be capitalized. DHN (talk) 23:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Done.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
I am not one for sending round pretty pictures, but after my recent RfA, which passed 68/1/7, I am now relaxed and this is to thank you for your support. I will take on board all the comments made and look forward to wielding the mop with alacrity. Or two lacrities. --Rodhullandemu  (Talk) 21:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator election
The Military history WikiProject coordinator selection process is starting. We are aiming to elect nine coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by February 14! TomStar81 (Talk) 01:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Noted,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter
The February 2008 issue of the WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter is ready! Dr. Cash (talk) 05:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK
-- Maxim (talk)  16:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Vietnam flag
Was the decision not to use the flag in the banner related to the history of the country? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     Talk? 12:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, since it was decided in the group that the flag did not represent Vietnam generally, but only a certain political faction.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 01:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Cricket pics
Started uploading some here - I've put some in articles and will leave the rest to hang around for other people :) I've got more on the way. ~ Riana ⁂ 14:06, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Needs the YellowMonkey touch. Not good quality. LOL. tut tut.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Melbourne and Vietnamese flags
Hi, could you take a look at these edits and let me know your opinion before I add my 2c. I must admit I am sympathetic to the view of the IP editor, but I am unsure if there is consensus to the contrary. -- Mattinbgn\talk 22:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I don't think there's any way that the IP edit can stand really. At WP:VIET we agreed not to use a political flag on WPVN and just had an apolitical map but since Australia and its cities recognise the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV) and use the term "Vietnam" generally on the census form, then the Flag of South Vietnam can't really be used to represent Vietnam (unlike in some places in America where there are many Vietnamese settlers, such as San Jose and Westminster, California, the city council specifically passed a law saying that they recognised the Flag of South Vietnam to represent Vietnam (much to the chagrin of the Vietnamese Communist Party), so in those cases in the US, using the RoV flag can be argued due to the government laws). The only way a RoV flag could be used is to retrospectively argue that the refugees came to Australia in the immediate aftermath of the RoV, much like people born in Ho Chi Minh City pre 1975 are tagged as Saigon, but that could cause complications in that then we would have to tag pre-1990 ethnic Serbs and Croatians as Yugoslavians, and we don't know who came before or after 1990. Apart from that, I think the census classification of the government of Australia probably overrides everything anyway, since in the "country of origin" field it lists a box as "Vietnam" and the Australian government does recognise the current regime.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 22:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't think that there was ever a discussion about using the flag really; it seems pretty obvious, irrespective of the feelings of the overwhelming proportion of Vietnamese who left post-1975.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 22:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Flag_of_South_Vietnam - For interest - there are some of the incidents I menioned. They missed out another incident in San Jose where a Video shopowner put a portrait of Ho Chi Minh in his shop and then there was almost a riot. The protestors blockaded the shop and eventually the police had to arrest the communist supporter because he sold pirated Asian music CDs/Videos (which is the norm among Asian music merchandise shops) to resolve the situation without getting involved in politics.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 22:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It was actually in Westminster (I was a high school sophomore then. The teacher of our Honors World History class, which was about 90% Vietnamese, was excoriating our class for the actions of our parents.). DHN (talk) 00:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So your history teacher sympathised with the HCM admirer? Was he ethnic Vietnamese? Did he get hassled by the school board or parents? That's the kind of teacher I would expect in Australia. The High School I went to, there's never an Australian flag on the flag pole, never the Aus national anthem at high school assemblies. Except when the Exchange student delegation from PRC came over, they erected a PRC flag and made us stand for the PRC anthem at assembly........that's Australia for you.... The chinese language classroom was decorated with full on CCP paraphernalia [on a daily basis] - a Red guard uniform, giant Mao and Deng Xiaoping portraits, green PLA jacket, and the "International desk" at the office is decorated with PRC, DPRK and SRV flags.... they make heaps of money from communist investments .... Lots of left-wing international politics in Australian schools. Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, he's an aging white guy (he retired to Oregon the following year - he taught us that Alexander the Great was gay and Plato was a communist). Orange County is noted for being a conservative bastion in liberal California.  It was a funny speech about how people are overreacting.  At one point, he said, he would've invited the guy over as a guest speaker but then we'd have thousands of angry parents protesting outside.  We thought it was funny and didn't really think much about his politics.  I remember in college, while lecturing about the Khmer Rouge massacres against the Vietnamese, a lecturer said they're right...but we didn't think much of it either.  We assume that they're being facetious. DHN (talk) 00:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops. I also believe the Communists in VN put an airport tax on incoming Americans to put in a fund for fellow's legal defense in the US. Although I believe that the fellow involved went back to VN eventually to start his business, and was convicted by the VN gov for naughty capitalist offenses of some sort....IIRC... ironic.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * When I went to the US, there was another Asian shopping centre, I can't remember its name, just south of downtown Philadelphia and within walking distance of Delaware river - there was a pair of giant flagpoles, with the ROC and ROV flag. On the front of the supermarket there were these "Home of the Brave" "God Bless America" signs, and on the back of the shop, there is a picture of Chairman Mao with a golden halo .... Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Probably best to leave the current edit stand then. -- Mattinbgn\talk 22:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the solution is to do away with the FLAGCRUFT as I have discussed and done in Sydney. DHN (talk) 00:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeh, I think that's the easiest way. In many of the cases, the immigrants were running away from the country and don't really represent the country's government POV.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Vietnamese districts
If you have to create a disambiguation page for a Vietnamese district name, chances are that the vi.wiki version is also a disambiguation page. Make sure that your interwiki link point to the proper page instead of a disambiguation page. DHN (talk) 23:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah...I'm done with all the districts. They seem to be all there and ready. I think I would need more pairs of eyes to see what's been missed if any. Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Working Man's Barnstar

 * Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

sockpuppets
I hate sockpuppets at least as much as the next guy, having been harrassed by some confirmed sockpuppets. But I am missing out on how you know these contributors were sockpuppets. Are you one of the people authorized to do a Checkuser?

Forgive me, I thought there was a formal procedure for initiating checkuser requests.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 04:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I do have the checkuser function, so I don't have to go and ask a checkuser to do one for me. I was just reading through and just got my attention from its username alone. And then when I looked at its edit history it looked pretty suspicious so I ran one. It appears that RCF/MichelleG have a veteran editor as their sockpuppetmaster that did a third oppose vote, but I'm asking for another person to take a look since it seems like a sensation.  Blnguyen   ( bananabucket ) 04:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like to complain about your block of RedChinaForever. All of this user's edits are good&mdash;what is it about this user that makes you feel he or she should be banned on a sockpuppetry accusation when he or she makes only good edits? Everyking (talk) 21:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well the CU showed that RCF and MichelleG and a third account triple voted on MONGO's RfA.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 01:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You indefinitely blocked all of the accounts just for that? First of all, I'd like for another CU to look at that and see if your findings are accurate. But assuming that they are, you can just block two of the accounts and warn the third. There is no need whatsoever to completely shut out a good editor over such a thing. Everyking (talk) 03:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It is fairly easy to see who the puppetmaster is with just a little investigation. Dureo (talk) 15:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the third account - the main account which has made thousands of edits (unlike MichelleG and RCF, which made less than 300 combined) has not been blocked. I have only blocked MG and RCF so far. I did ask two other CUs by email to look at the case and the main account but they haven't replied yet. Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * All right, I don't have a problem with that, as long as you don't block the remaining account (presuming there's no further abuse). Everyking (talk) 04:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Districts of Vietnam
Yes, it does, but not in a very machine-friendly format. You can find population and area statistics down to the commune level from this GIS server:. If you can somehow screen-scrape this information it would be a boon. DHN (talk) 03:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems like someone had taken the effort to compile the stats here. DHN (talk) 03:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

According to vi:Chính quyền địa phương ở Việt Nam, as of 2005 there were 64 provincial units, 671 district-level units, and 10876 commune-level units. DHN (talk) 00:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. More substubs.....lolz  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Grameen Bank
Hi Blnguyen, all the reference issues of the Grameen Bank article have now been addressed and several new "independent" sources have been added. (Please note, just like any other company article, some reliance on the primary source is unavoidable and desirable). The lead section has been expanded to summarize the major points in the article. Could you please reconsider the assessment of the article if you are satisfied with the progress. Thanks and regards,  Arman  ( Talk ) 10:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply posted.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 04:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Vung Tau.ogg
Could you re-record this audio clip? Use the /j/ sound that locals would use to speak the town's name instead of the /v/ spelling pronunciation. DHN (talk) 05:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Like Diệt Nam, Diệt Cộng, Diệt Minh and Diệt Nam Cộng Hòa? Ok. I am aware that many people do say their V as d but my parents simply told me that only uneducated peasants do that. Is this to be applied to a certain region? In any case I will need someone to convert my wav files to .ogg - The last time I did it, I emailed them to  to convert since he had the software, but he is now inactive.  Blnguyen   ( bananabucket ) 06:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * With Hanoi being the "city of culture", that's certainly a widely-held view. But you're going to feel silly speaking to Southerners with a southern accent but using spelling pronunciation.  I know I did... See Vietnamese phonology on how certain regions differ in pronouncing different consonants. DHN (talk) 06:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

You can use Audacity to save your files directly to ogg format. You can also use it to filter out background noise. DHN (talk) 16:25, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try it.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

User talk:MichelleG
This user is requesting unblocking. I saw above, but no further response there. She is claiming that the IP she uses is shared. Frankly, from her contributions (which go back to 2005! Long time) and from User:RedChinaForever's, I see no overlap until Mongo's RFA, and both accounts were created a long time before that RFA, and seem to have been making non-abusive edits, so this idea that they are sockpuppets seems wrong. I don't know what the IP address is, so I can't check whether it might be shared or not, but because the edit patterns here are so different and go so far back, and because the only even potentially abusive thing they did was to try to vote on an RFA (and have their votes stricken anyway), I think an unblock is needed here. Did the other checkusers ever respond? Mango juice talk 15:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I see you're currently active. Any response?  Mango juice talk 04:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, they didn't. I only asked a few since a lot of checkusers voted in that MONGO RfA, so I didn't want to bother them, but my check seemed to show a direct hit. I think I'll go ask Alison now to Check MichelleG, RedChinaForever and the master account since the RfA outcome is now finalised.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And feel free to do as you please.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 04:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

First Civil Service Commissioner
Hi, you recently removed a prod-tag with no reason given - in fact, you used the admin-revert tool that's supposed only to be used for vandalism. Since the policy page requests that you explain your contestion of PRODs, do you think you could explain on the talkpage why you don't think it should be deleted? Thanks.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 08:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Just for your information, I've nominated the article for deletion, noting that you haven't replied to my message, but have edited since receiving it.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 15:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 04:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Unblock request
This user User talk:MichelleG has an unblock request, and it looks like several other admins have commented. I am inclined to grant the unblock, given that the user has a history of positive contributions, however me (and the other admins) would like to hear your input on the matter, since you were the blocking admin. Thanks for dealing with this. --Jayron32. talk . contribs 14:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * See above. Woody (talk) 14:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: WP:MHCON
Hmm. We've traditionally permitted editors to rate their own articles up to B-Class; I'm not sure if it's worth trying to impose a stricter requirement merely for the purposes of the contest.

The other issue, of course, is that the B-Class requirements make no reference to prose size, and so may not quite capture the true weight of articles that are potentially too short to stand on their own in the long term; but that's neither here nor there.

(Certainly, if it turns out that there are persistent attempts to game the contest results, we can take steps to deal with it; but I'd prefer to hold off on that for as long as reasonably possible, since introducing harsh formality into something that was intended to be a "fun" activity isn't really a good direction to move in, in my opinion.) Kirill 02:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've added another column to the scoreboard which should dampen away the effects of any such self-rating, incidentally. Kirill 02:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * So long as they're in different months, that's technically permitted (and was factored into the initial contest plan, actually); the scores are completely additive, so you'll get the same number of points for getting an article from level X to level Y regardless of how many steps it takes. Kirill 02:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Per WP:NEU
sorry, but with no doubt I reverted your edits on removing the neutral wording for following reasons:
 * South Asia article clearly states that Tibet's status as South Asian is controversial. Thats why we need to clarify here.
 * The Tibet article clearly states that, with reference, Qing's authority over Tibet had been affirmed by all three involved parties: DL/PL, the Britain Mission and of course the Manchu court(who even installed the 4-kaloon Kashag). Thus further actions taken by the Peking court should not be classified as "invasion", (unless you are from Dharamsala) - MainBody (talk) 08:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Gillchrist
When reverting edits isn't is necessary to put a note on a users talk page. []

While I think the change this person made was unnecessary, and understand why it was removed it certainly seems that it deserved clarification per []

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the matter, as I am new to wikipedia I could use more understanding. Is there a time when this proctise is okay? Erick880 (talk) 02:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No, in general it isn't necessary to warn the editors to stop, unless they are explicitly vandalising or spamming or aggressively or repetitively doing something bad. This user has a history of doing proselytising-type additions, but they only come in on random occasion, so their edits aren't really mass changes, so it isn't really necessary to say too much at this time. If they persist in adding it over and over, then a discussion would be necessary.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Poverty in India
You unprotected this article and the edit war over the images resumed so I reprotected it. Please look at the edit history. I'm not sure how to proceed here. Do you think blocking the edit warring users would be a more effective solution since edit protection doesn't seem to be helping. --Richard (talk) 06:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say that the consensus is pretty clear and I would enforce it like an AfD personally. Especially if you check the track records of the people on either sides of the fence. Check how many blocks and lack of FAs/GAs/DYKs the image advocates have, and compare it to how many FAs/GAs and the lack of blocks on the oppose side and make up your mind about who has the better track record of good article work.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see the point of rewarding obstructionism to be honest.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Um, your comment about "rewarding obstructionism" is a bit too cryptic for me. Who do you view as being obstructionist?

I confess that I could not find anything in the block logs of User:Nikkul, User:Otolemur crassicaudatus and User:Adam J.W.C.. I also saw no mention of FAs/GAs/DYKs on any of their user pages. I have seen User:Otolemur crassicaudatus around before and, while I don't have any particular impression of him, I at least don't have any bad impression of him. The other two are completely new to me.

The consensus seems to favor User:Nikkul's perspective which is to remove the image in question. This would argue that User:Otolemur crassicaudatus and User:Adam J.W.C. are editing against consensus and should be blocked if they continue to do so. Do you agree? If so, I will document the above on the Talk Page of the article and unprotect the article.

--Richard (talk) 07:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I meant by obstructionism, I felt that people were obstructing Wikipedia by reverting against consensus, which appears to me to remove the picture. When I meant about the relative contributions of the editors, I wasn't referring only to the three guys who were reverting, I meant the 10-20 people who had expressed an opinion on the straw poll. You can see that the people who are advocating removing the photos have a much longer record of positive constructive encyclopedia building, eg Dineshkannambadi 10 FAs, Nishkid64 8 FAs, and also see User:Anonymous_Dissident/List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_DYKs and WP:WBFAN to see how the two sides on the strawpoll compare in terms of contributions and recent blocks. I agree with your final paragraph.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

But there is a question of WP:CANVASS. Most of the people were previously informed. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 09:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK Update
Hate to bother you, but the new DYK is once again way behind in updating. If you or someone you know can update, it'd be appreciated.-- Bedford 07:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's not much incentive to update when it bumps your own article off the pictured slot :o, ok updated.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If it makes you feel better, one of my DYKs was bumped off too. :D -- Bedford 07:15, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Adelaide Wikimeetup 3
Hi Blnguyen - after some planning we've decided to hold the third Adelaide Wikimeetup on Sunday, 17th February, 2008. The meeting will be held at Billy Baxter's in Rundle Mall at 11:30AM. Further details and directions are available on the meetup page. Please RSVP here by 20:00UTC on 15th February 2008 (that's 6AM Saturday for our time zone) so that we can inform the restaurant about numbers. Hope to see you there!

You are receiving this message because you are in Category:Wikipedians in South Australia or are listed at WP:ADEL. If this has been sent in error, please accept our apologies!

On behalf of Riana ⁂, 11:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Response please :) By the way, it's now Saturday. Daniel (talk) 04:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Keith Bostic (American football)
What does your comment at Keith Bostic (American football) mean?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 02:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I was referring to the reviewer's first comment where he failed that article but siad it passed all aspects of the criteria.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)