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Prosh (University of Adelaide)
Hey, your user page looks too neat and clean.. Did you see the FJ photo I put up? Glad you got rid of the cruft on the AUBC page, it certainly wasn't encyclopædic. Ozdaren (talk) 08:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

John Howard e/s
It meant "not a BLP issue" in the space constraint, which I thought would have been obvious had you followed the prior talk page and BLP noticeboard conversations instead of wading in with you unwarrented and misdirected sarcasm. It doesn't matter now anyway, your lolrevert has ensured it is protected on the right version. MickMacNee (talk) 14:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent change to John Bannon, His image and Waiting staff
Hi YH, I'd like to draw your attention to a few issues I have come across that I thought would interest you. The first of these relating to images removed/nominated for deletion regarding South Australian political figures - namely John Bannon, and possibly David Tonkin and Des Corcoran. Plese see the ifD. Secondly, please check out the recent changes to the John Bannon article and note the substitution of the old image for this image and the subsequent addition of the second image to the article Waiting staff. I don't believe the second image is taken in-context, nor is it an appropriate image to be in the infobox of a prominent politician, and the addition of the image to the Waiting staff article is just farcicle. You know a little more about politics and copyright law than I do and I was hoping you could help. No Yetis in the US this December. ABVS1936 (talk) 00:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Marble Hill
In what way is a clearly referenced document such as a South Australian Parliamentary Bill passed three readings by the Upper House Legislative Council and continued carriage into the Lower House Legislative Assembly by the Liberal Party Opposition Leader pass one but not the second reading not notable?

Marble Hill Protection Bill South Australian Liberal Party Hon Michelle Lensink MLC introduced the Marble Hill Protection Bill as a Private Members Bill into the Parliament of South Australia which was passed after its third reading with a 2 vote majority with Australian Democrats Hon Sandra Kanck MLC and Greens Hon Mark Parnell MLC in the Upper House South Australian Legislative Council. Its carriage was introduced into the Lower House South Australian House of Assembly by Opposition Leader Martin Hamilton-Smith and restored for the current 3rd Session of the 51st Parliament and was listed for its 2nd reading as Private Members Bill Agenda Item 2. Second reading negatived.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mifren (talk • contribs) 05:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know what you wrote. It's does not belong in the marble hill article because on the third reading second reading, when it actually came time to debate on the bill's fate, it was, as you say, negatived.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 12:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Clearly while you may have seen what I wrote you do not seem to "know" what I wrote because you would know from reading our SA Parliamentary Hansard & due process that on the 3rd reading it was passed. It has nothing to do with what I say. It has everything to do with what our Parliament says. Mifren (talk) 07:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Third reading? What on earth are you talking about? It was defeated on its second reading. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 14:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I was talking about what you were writing about & now it seems you have finally fixed the typo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mifren (talk • contribs) 15:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC) Even though tired & weary, I've just sought to reply to you MH#2 commentary and appeal on my Talk page YH - noight ... Mifren (talk) 14:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC) I've just reread a 2006 FOI Marble Hill Native Title DEC Ministerial document which includes a living person's personal address. How now then do I share that with you as the ultimate Marble Hill wikiArticle gatekeeper? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mifren (talk • contribs) 14:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Bishop
I've modified it slightly... but I suggest you read Weasel word as you appear to lack the understanding of the term. Timeshift (talk) 03:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Aboriginal tracker is ACOTF
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Judkin-Fitzgerald Baronets
When I have the time, I'll probably remove most of the stuff not related to the baronetcy - the ancient family history before they became baronets, their relations to other noble families which don't bear any relation to the baronetcy, the address of the House of Lords (?!) and so on. A short note on where the first baronet came from may be useful, but this is just becoming more and more of a mess. It'll take a few days, though. Yours, Huon (talk) 12:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Apologies Huon. Naturally the Crown Office in House of Lords holds the Baronetcy Register. As the Judkin-FitzGerald Baronetcy Title is dormant living heirs male of the body have an easier ability to accurately prove their claim through all this information. Mifren (talk) 16:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * While I appreciate the attention I see from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Yeti_Hunter that my edits are your most focused (if not stalked?) recent prey items and wonder then if other wiki editors could have a go or if you would adopt and mentor me?Mifren (talk) 23:27, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Uniform
I think they all changed around the same time. The black shirt with white V was also worn by lacrosse. All the clubs seemed to have moved away from the black or white shirt with hoops at the same time. Ozdaren (talk) 03:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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Iranian Satellite discussion page
You should probably check the discussion page history. Why have you deliberately edited it to look like the comments about racist westerners was written by me? Gordonjcp (talk) 08:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Fort Glanville
Just thought I'd say - very impressed re: your work on Fort Glanville Conservation Park. Had you been working on that for a while before I created the stub? It's got to be a GA candidate now. Is there a wiki collaboration of some sort regarding conservation parks and the like? I'd like to help out.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 00:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I started in late Jan after you created the stub. I liked my lead image and really wanted a longer article to go with it. As for GA I still have a few things I want to sort out (finish the top-down map, make the profile map showing the construction of the fort. Fixup ref45 which is missing information, some mos issues etc.) though some of these (the maps) are not required for GA. Not really a wiki collaboration for this though WP:Adelaide and WP:Australian History do cover this one. Someday I'd love to work with you on Marble Hill - if only I could find enough good written sources ! Local history and conservation parks are hard to source outside of sketchy web links and government management plans - Peripitus (Talk) 02:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Online Newspapers
It is a lovely resource. If they can expand the South Australian newspaper section beyond 1858–1861 I will be even happier. There is nothing as good as a searchable index&mdash;it proved useful for the Fort Glanville article ! Peripitus (Talk) 22:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Mifren and 3RR
I actually don't think he's violated it yet (it must be within a 24 hour period, technically speaking), although at this point he's one away. &mdash; e. ripley\talk 16:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, my mistake, I just realised that myself. I still think it constitutes edit warring, despite not technically violating 3RR.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 16:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Certainly true. &mdash; e. ripley\talk 16:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, I've just replied to you on my talk page. &mdash; e. ripley\talk 13:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * as have IMifren (talk) 23:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd appreciate a response to: "Hi Peripitus. Need outside comment on another Mifren edit war. Something about a native title claim that he has put on Marble Hill (it's referenced to his facebook page and a pay-for-a-press-release website). This one is a whole lot more clear cut than the last one, but I suspect he's more personally involved in the issue this time. The constant low-level abuse is a little tiring, too. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 00:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What I again find fascinating is how inaccurate YH can be in writing, "Something about a native title claim that he has put on Marble Hill". Where and how is such an amazingly inaccurate claim, jumping to a conclusion like that by YH tolerated by wikieditors? Also instead of personalising things YH by being suspecious, as I've previously indicated, you can see for yourself that Marble Hill has Crown Land and all that is within the 2000 Registered Kaurna Native Title Claim including MH and more recently Glenside are subject to the Kaurna Native Title Management Committee Agenda. Actually nothing personally to do with me at all. I wasn't even born in this country or raised in South Australia. Equally if YH feels abused then perhaps we need to formally acknowledge, accept, absorb and address his allegations. Mifren (talk) 09:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Peripitus I note that you have made no further comment on YH's erroneous concern/s about a native title claim on Crown Land including Marble Hill Registered by Kaurna nine years ago and somehow leapt to the amazing conclusion that I had. What actually governs wikiEditors abuse of logic and assumptive erroneous conclusions they may jump to and then projecting that back onto contributions by others? Like YH, I find the whole abuse of wiki due process a little tiring, too. What is your current perspective as I note you have not contributed again to actually help address the underlying errors in YH's logic?"Mifren (talk) 17:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd also appreciate a considered response to: "Are we really going to have to go to WP:RFC over this?--Yeti Hunter (talk) 23:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Essentially YH my view is more about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg and at times I'm unsure you truly have stuck to the top three. Thus WP:RFC is a consideration. What alternatives from your perspective?" Again as you have done so much in organising Native Title why don't we with Peripetus actually collaboratively and collectively contribute to completing this article properly without you simply undoing my contributions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mifren (talk • contribs) 17:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What exactly is it you want me to respond to? There are three or four issues you've touched on above. I'd love to collaboratively complete the article (that's the whole point of Wikipedia), but the issue right now is that there is a clear consensus to undo one of your more frequent contributions. I note you've been adding internal links the last few days, and that's fine. Restoring a poorly sourced outlandish claim for which there is a clear non-consensus is not.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 23:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

1stly what does "claim" mean for you? 2ndly there is only one which was Registered nine years ago. 3rdly what seems be claimed as a "claim" is in fact a 130 year back rent bill based on the continuing Kaurna Sovereignty from prior to 1836 and the underlying premises used in the Consensus were clearly inaccurate. Also that Consensus is no longer visible thus no longer clear on the Marble Hill Article Discussion page thus what is the basis for not restoring? Will perhaps meeting with FOI & Kaurna documentation will actually help "love to collaboratively complete the article"?Mifren (talk) 16:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Dear Mr Hunter. As you are stating outlandish claims, I am requesting your credentials in this matter. I have an MBA in Third World Economy and have helped First Nation Americans restore their Native Tile. I am also the author of the Speech, "I Have Come!" and I have backing from some of the Kaurna People. Their is no Co-Author and I feel you are being deleteriously and thus I dauntlessly object to the words you are accusing mifren of using in an effort to spread the word. I would hate to objectify Wikipedia as being prejudice against Native Cultures reinstating their claims on land that was stolen. I will however continue to keep up the cause if it continues to be removed from a site encompasses freedom of speech, I suggest you take a long look at what you are doing to stifle freedom like the government has done to a culture that dates back to over 50,000 thousand years. Kind Regards Samuel Rossi, a man who is not afraid to use his own name instead of a alias.Kadbury (talk) 16:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Mifren and Mr Rossi, there is a clear consensus of three editors not to include the 2000 claim, as it was made over a much larger area and did not specifically mention Marble Hill. Those same three editors believe that the reference given for the more specific 2009 "claim" or "bill" or "sovereignty declaration" or whatever it is (ie, Mr Rossi's speech and Mifren's facebook page) is unreliable. It was not written by the Kaurna, and thus is unreliable even as a self published source. Exceptional claims require exceptional sources. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 00:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Mr Hunter, Your three editors and yourself have to be very careful. The Kuarna People do not go around and submit letters to People like the SA Governor which is now on SA Premier Michael Rann's desk just for their amusement. If you take the time and look at the Coober Pedy Regional Times you will see the article so the event was also not self published but put on a new wire source by a reputable company called Newswire. It was placed on Mifren's Facebook just as a reference to people who do not read regional newspapers and was easily circulated overseas as well. If you have credentials that can prove you or your editors have a clear understanding of the issues and you have a letter that can prove you or your editors by the Kaurna People not to put the information into Wikipedia. Then I will relinquish but till then I suggest you take a long hard look at what your are removing as I will take it the Kaurna if this continues..

Kind regards, Samuel Rossi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kadbury (talk • contribs) 00:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Where is the proof of the "clear consensus"? What was there on the Marble Hill Article Discussion page has been removed. Also we really are only in a position to speak for ourselves and thus again there is no proof to the claim that "Those same three editors believe that the reference given for the more specific 2009 "claim" or "bill" or "sovereignty declaration" or whatever it is (ie, Mr Rossi's speech and Mifren's facebook page) is unreliable.'Again I repeat the questions, "Also that Consensus is no longer visible thus no longer clear on the Marble Hill Article Discussion page thus what is the basis for not restoring? Will perhaps meeting with FOI & Kaurna documentation will actually help "love to collaboratively complete the article"?'Mifren (talk) 00:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Consensus does not disappear by hiding it with massive slabs of text on the talk page. Mr Rossi you are coming mighty close to issuing a threat, which is looked upon very poorly in Wikipedia circles. Though a threat to do what I'm not exactly sure, so I'll let it slide for now. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 01:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Again I ask in the spirit of "love to collaboratively complete the article" when and where could we meet to share FOI and any other documentation. I reiterate e. riply's having seen the Cooper Pedy Times documentation reference.Mifren (talk) 03:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Given that they simply reproduced a press release, possibly at your own request, I have little confidence in this publication's editorial rigor and therefore, for now, cannot consider it a reliable source. &mdash; e. ripley\talk 03:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I would not presume to speak for how Yeti wants to use this page, but generally content discussions should occur on the pertinent article's talk page, so perhaps we should migrate there. &mdash; e. ripley\talk 03:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear YH, now hopefully emotions have cooled off a bit & as you said you'd love to collaborate, could we arrange to meet somewhere so that I can in fact show and share the Marble Hill FOI & any other information so that I can be placed in a better position to get things right the 1st time? It seems clearer to me now that you are the Marble Hill protector so everything seems to have to go through you and I no longer want to cause unnecessary revert warring simply because we have different perspectives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.34.145 (talk) 21:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Marble Hill - "Welcome to Country"
I see internal links to Kaurna and Peramangk were and probably from past revert experiences will be removed recently on the basis of "Welcome to Country" not being wiki policy. I've reverted on the basis that a discussion could be had without a simplistic one line cryptic reason. I'm curious to learn your perspective.

On another angle Kaurna are rallying on SA Parliament House Steps 1-3pm Monday June 29 for the 130 year back rent bill 90 day payment due from March 29 when the original was given to our SA Governor & he followed Vice-Regal Protocol and gave it to our Government of the day. Something you may like to see or hear as Media have expressed interest or even attend. Mifren (talk) 08:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I note that there has been no considered acknowledged nor response to the above yet an undo has been done ... Where then does, "We acknowledge and respect the traditional custodians on whose ancestral lands we live. We acknowledge the deep feelings of attachment and relationship of Aboriginal peoples to country. We acknowledge the Kaurna people as the custodians of the Adelaide region and that their cultural and heritage beliefs are still important to the living Kaurna people today." fit in? walkingcheerfully Mifren (talk) 02:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Please discuss your reverts on the Marble Hill Discussion webpage.Kaurna2 (talk) 09:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Kate Allen and the Code of Honour
Sorry I forgot to mention this yesterday, but there is a "Code of Honour" that anyone who creates a new dab page in place of an existing article should fix all the resulting misdirected links (links from mainspace articles to dab pages are nearly always wrong, with only a few exceptions). This time I've already done it for you, but you should bear it in mind for the future.

Regards, NSH001 (talk) 10:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I should have been onto that. Thanks for fixing my mess, I'll keep it in mind next time. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 13:58, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Another side-effect is the interwiki links. The interwiki bots won't notice, as the links in the Kate Allen (triathlete) en:wp article are still correct. I've corrected the interwiki links to en:wp on the Russian, Japanese and German wikis - that should be enough to ensure the bots will fix the remainder over the next few days. Regards --NSH001 (talk) 21:43, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks!!!!
Thanks for leaving the 3rd opinion on the ACIM article.TheRingess (talk) 06:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Native Title POV pushing is also inappropriate.
I am curious to learn how http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=South_Australia&diff=315191714&oldid=315170763 actually mentions Native Title & thus is inappropriate? Why not simply edit rather than undo everything? Seems as the baby is being thrown out with the bathwater?Mifren (talk) 22:37, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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Yeti Hunter Kaurna Land Title Claim Undo
Please discuss on the Marble Hill, South Australia Discussion Page in good faith before reverting YH, especially as it was you who first referenced that ABC Online News article which I have simply quoted.Mifren (talk) 01:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Unlawful land grab
Thanks YH for your expressed continued Anglo-British-United Kingdom Caucasian v Kaurna cross-cultural logic bias excluding any Pre-eminent enduring Sovereign Dominion pre-1836. ''If as Richard wrote, that the "Marble Hill, South Australia" Article is only about the "building", why is there then so much about the Governors or so much else? Where then is the Wikipedia Article for the Marble Hill area like there now for Cherryville or the rest of the Marble Hill 22Ha property? Remembering that there was a relatively recent land subdivision started by our former DEC Minister Hon John Hill MP Kaurna & finished by Hon Gail Gago MLC leading to the recent sale of the 22Ha by our current South Australian Government Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation & Department of Environment and Conservation Minister Hon Jay Weatherill MP Cheltenham (NOTE: the "con" in both Reconciliation and Conservation) for a mere $819 000 shortly after selling more Kaurna-Ramindjeri Yerta at Oaklands Estate Reserve to Marion City Council for a mere $2.00. The "building" as you say is mostly a bushfired ruin back to the Kaurna Yerta sandstone rocks from whence it was built. Sadly I continue to fail to fully comprehend your assumptive logic lacking in shared established international standard qualified geographic and historic premises. Especially now late yesterday afternoon that Lawyer Editor Shaun Berg has now book launched by former Australian High Court Justice Hon Michael Kirby "Coming to Terms" on King William IV South Australia Letters Patent 19 Feb 1836.'' Thus I now submit ETYMOLOGY OF KAURNA PLACENAMES by Dr Robert Amery in particular I now refer you both to the "REFERENCES" and contextually to "Gumeracha" ngarrumuka (brain), "Uraidla" yurridla (ears) & "Piccadilly" pikodla (eyebrows) "Much of this material has been collated and published in several popular books on South Australian placenames, notably Praite and Tolley (1970, Manning (1986) and Cockburn (1908; 1984; 1990)" [I'm wondering if 1908 is a chronological typo!?] Another Gumeracha example is provided through "The Torrens waterhole around which the South Australian Company's enterprise centred was called by the Aborigines 'Umeracha'. How the 'G' came to be added remains a mystery, but as early as 1841 the Company used the spelling Gummaraka." Mifren (talk) 18:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

[from Mifren's Talk Page:] Kaurna Placenames
Thankyou for the source re:Kaurna etymologies. I have already included it in the Kaurna article and I believe that most of the places you mention note the kaurna origin of the name in their respective articles. However, the name "Marble Hill" is not derived from Kaurna, so I'm not sure how it is relevant to the current discussion.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 05:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow! Yeti Hunter finally demonstrating gratitude to Mifren! As my Grandmother used to say to me as a 3-9yo child in her care, "well, wonders will never cease ...". [Some kind of Christmas present!?] The relevance is that "Marble Hill, South Australia" is on the 2000 Registered Kaurna Native Title Claim and that you as a self-justifying wikiEditor have consistently and persistently removed any Kaurna thus Pre-eminent Sovereign King William IV South Australia Letters Patent 1836 name references, demonstrating for me at least, a clear bias if not prejudice for and to continued ego-ethnocentric Latino-Anglo-Norman-Caucasian-cultural dominance online in wikipedia. I'm simply highlighting the Pre-eminently enduring Kaurna cultural realities and y/our wikiArticle's on-going deficiencies.Mifren (talk) 19:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

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Tynte's Castle
If it was another self appointed or better still, genuinely demonstrated reputable tertiary history Graduate qualified & internationally open, publicly, posterity published & known Citation Indexed, critically peer reviewed Journal experienced wikiEditor YH, instead of continuing after all this time to (cowardly?) hide behind your pseudonym I'd have been more genuinely interested. Despite my critical received and perceived personal prejudice based on past pains and tensions with several of your subsequent apologies:

Suspiciously assuming good faith however, if you are seriously seriously offering wikiEditorial help, even Mentoring, then take a good look at the Tynte's Castle information I've slowly been collecting and collating at User:Mifren (& 10th Generation) and for the 1st time since our 1st contact & your apparent apparent seeming internationally public online obsession (stalking eg Judkin-Fitzgerald Baronets, Marble Hill, South Australia etc?), genuinely wikiwork with in me these historic opportunities in the spirit of good will and let's nail this historical sucker about my Elizabethan Apical Ancestor (& my inherited namesake down to and through my maternal Grandfather User:Mifren) Sir Robert Tynte of Tynte's Castle Youghal and Ballycrenane; Sir Walter Raleigh, Sir Richard Boyle, 1st Earl of Cork and Sir Edmund Spenser who wrote "The Faerie Queene" all Pre-eminently enduring Sovereign Munster MacCarthy Mór Geraldine Desmond Rebellions soldier Planters contemporaries & Tyntesfield Wraxall, Somerset Tynte (aka Tynt & Tinte & Tint family name) cousin to North Adelaide's Tynte Street, South Australia down? Cheers, Nukkan, Mifren (talk) 12:34, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Eskimo Nell
Hi Yeti, long time. Please take a look at The Ballad of Eskimo Nell re: recent changes made by Kondikenell. I don't believe it is in the true spirit of the article for a "revised" version to take precedence over the original (especially considering the inferior nature of this revision and the shameless self-promotion occuring fairly obviously judging by the editor's username...). Please comment on the talkpage if you have any thoughts. Up Marks, ABVS1936 (talk) 17:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Mount Breckan
Yeah, that's better. Twelve children! Even if only four of the first eight survivied to adulthood, I'm forced to agree with you that wife #2 and one of the children did not constitute "the rest of the family". Thanks. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:45, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers, the Australian Dictionary of Biography is a great source for many an article! Incidentally, I've started a draft for a completely rewritten Adelaide Park Lands article at User:Yeti Hunter/Sandbox. Not very pretty yet, but please contribute if you are interested!--Yeti Hunter (talk) 13:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm interested. I'll have a look. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Adelaide Park Lands
''Incidentally, I've started a draft for a completely rewritten Adelaide Park Lands article at User:Yeti Hunter/Sandbox. Not very pretty yet, but please contribute if you are interested!''
 * Yes, I'm interested. I'll have a look. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I have some comments. How do you want me to communicate them to you?
 * (I could embed them in the article text using as "hidden comments" i.e. ??) Pdfpdf (talk) 12:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Either that or just comment in the main text body, marking it by making it italic or small or something. It's not like it's a real article yet!--Yeti Hunter (talk) 00:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Keeping it in the family
Subtitle: The Gosse-Hays and the Hay-Gosses. (And the Downers, and the ...

By-the-way: How many people do you guess are/were called Agnes Gosse or Agnes Hay? So far I've identified six within two generations, one called Agnes in the generation above the Alexander Hay, and several in Alexander's grand-children's generation. (I'm guessing about 2 dozen.)

Also, there's a photo in the Mortlock Library of Alexander's widow holding her grandchild called Alexander Hay ...

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 02:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, there's a lot of that in the early days! When researching the early architects like Soward, McMinn and Woods, it was amazing how much they all practiced with eachother's firms, married eachother's widows, etc. Do you know if Alexander Hay (Australian politician) is related too, or is that just a coincidence?--Yeti Hunter (talk) 09:21, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * "Married eachother's widows" - Hmmm. That's an interesting variation on wife-swapping! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Alexander Hay
Do you know if Alexander Hay (Australian politician) is related too, or is that just a coincidence?
 * No, I don't know. I wonder what the article's source was? (OK, I'll be generous: "sources were"?)
 * http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/a/australia/ is a useless URL.
 * http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/a/australia/candidates/h.txt is only slightly better: "Hay, Alexander: Illawarra NSW 1901, Hunter NSW 1914, New England NSW 1919* 1922" - it clearly wasn't the source.
 * http://asslh.econ.usyd.edu.au/BLHG_Proceedings.PDF pp24,25&27 mentions an Alexander Hay & his brother Sir John Hay, and a Coolangatta Estate they inherited from cousins Alexander & David Berry. Rather vague - it could be either of our Alexanders! It clearly wasn't the source either.
 * I wonder what the article's source was? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Our Hay did have interests in many properties outside SA, the list given at ADB is incomplete and does not mention Sydney landholdings, nor that he actually owned it (only "invested" in it).


 * The picture (File:Alexander Hay.jpg) comes from http://www.nla.gov.au/apps/cdview?pi=nla.pic-an24213454&fullrecord=yes&referercode=pc - nothing much of use there, and the article doesn't make use of what's there anyway. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Children

 * Oooh, his sons were interesting people too! William Gosse Hay was an author..... and I see you've already created the article. Nice work. But should Hay's children be named "Gosse Hay" rather than "Hay Gosse"?--Yeti Hunter (talk) 12:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * And the daughters, and who the daughters married. Wife#2 also looks interest - she wrote half-a-dozen books before she was "lost at sea".
 * (I'll get back to you in a little while - gtg) Pdfpdf (talk) 12:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, that answers a question that needed to be asked, but wasn't! So the layout is not clear.
 * The Hay Gosse's are the children of Aggie and William Christie Gosse - Alexander's grandchildren Pdfpdf (talk) 12:38, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

"Kaurna"
I see YH from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kaurna&diff=363710977&oldid=362879199 that you again reverted without reference, discussion & this time claimed some uncited references so where then seriously do you clearly place paternally exogenic Ramindjeri Call Over "Kaurna"http://www.bing.com/search?q=ramindjeri+karno+walker&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC where is your "good faith" in that?--Mifren (talk) 21:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well ok, there was an inline citation after sentence that I deleted. The article "Tribal War on Native Title" dose not mention anything about there being some irony in Colonel Light surveying the land of some Princess Sally, nor about some "Encounter Bay Bob". So I'll expand upon my somewhat breif edit summary: Please only add material that can be verified by reliable independent sources.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 00:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I find it fascinating YH that you can so willynilly blithely wikiedit entire people away without any really serious academic approaches to your apparent wikiGod attitude & essentially unilateral behaviours ... you quite happily allow some wikiEditor the statement that Peramangk were wiped out but do nothing really to ensure that their reference is actually accurate let alone reliable ... in addition while we are at it, seriously, what real evidence do you or any other wikiEditor actually have to Norman Tindale's so called "['Kaurna]" actually exist? I've yet to find a single scrap of evidence personally where the so called northern "['Kaurna]" ie Nantawarra Kudnarto married as Mary Ann, Englishman Shepherd Tom Adams and bore him two sons Tom & Tim before suddenly dying only in her 20s would probably be more accurately as Ngadjuri but again where seriously YH is any or your evidence to prove the distinction? Equally clearly with the revelation of Boyle Finniss 1837 eye witness account of "Rapid Bay, South Australia Captain Peter" defending with 100 fellow warriors the South Australia Government Gazzetted "River Torrens" or "Yatala" from the apparently unwell "northern" "Captain Jack" and his less fighting fit warriors clearly you as the Adelaide defender wikiEditor supremo need to seriously review everything through a paradigm shift?

In short there is no substantiated evidence I've found to date to support either University of South Australia Adjunct Researcher, so called "Kaurna" Elder "Yerloburka" "Uncle" Lewis O'Brien, Dr Alice aka "Alytja" "Wallara" Rigney nee Richards thus son Flinders University Prof Lester "Irrabinna" Rigney & Adjunct Lecturer South Australia Government Consulting Anthropologist, Australian Cultural Heritage Management P/L (ACHM) http://www.achm.com.au CEO Dr Neale Draper, Adelaide University UNESCO Award winning so called "['Kaurna]" Linguist Dr Robert "Rob" Amery's use, abuse, manufacturing, manipulation, mismanaging South Australia Museum Ethnographer Colorado University Honoured "Dr" Norman Tindale's so called "['Kaurna]" from what has seemed to be a single C19th mainstream Missionary misinterpretation, mistranslated, mistranscribed from "Encounter Bay Bob". William Wyatt "contributed the chapter on the Adelaide and Encounter Bay aboriginal tribes to the volume on the Native Tribes of South Australia (published 1879)." ... From so called "Kaurna language" "The term 'Kaurna' was first recorded by William Wyatt (1879: 24) for 'Encounter Bay Bob's Tribe'. At the same time he recorded Meeyurna for 'Onkaparinga Jack's Tribe'. Kaurna most likely derives from kornar, the word for 'people' in the neighbouring Ramindjeri/Ngarrindjeri  language. Onkaparinga Jack was Mullawirraburka, also known to the colonists as 'King John'. He was one of Teichelmann & Schurmann's main sources. Encounter Bay Bob, as his name suggests, came from Encounter Bay (Victor Harbor) and was most likely a Ramindjeri man. Thus Meyunna is probably an endonym and would theoretically be preferable as the name for this group. However, they are now universally known as the Kaurna people." What astounds me personally, professionally, politically is that Australian Democrats Party first female South Australian Parliament Lower House MP (Mitcham now Waite Electorate), former National President, (SA Division) Inc Vice President Administration, UN Association SA Branch President, UNESCO Award winning Heather Southcott has known since 1987 Adelaide Branch recommendation about "Sovereignty" but done nothing other than give me a copy of those recommendations 23 years later as has former SA Parliament MLC "Hon" Sandra Kanck since 2006 known about Ramindjeri Call Over Ngarrindjeri-"['Kaurna]" but done nothing about it other than no longer acknowledging "Kaurna", lamely claiming (despite being a SA Parliamentarian) that Sandra "did not have the resources" ... In other words presuming you are a born and bred "South Australian" from illegitimate Duke of Normandy "King William IV's" 19 Feb 1836 Sealed "South Australia Letters Patent", it is all rather like "The Emperor's New Clothes" ...Mifren (talk) 22:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Mifren. I'm surprised to hear you say such things. This time last year you were a Kaurna activist; now you are disputing their very existence. I'd be interested to know what has changed your mind regarding the legitimacy of Kaurna versus Ramindjeri. After all, Tindale is a very well respected source on these matters (although it is interesting that he did not record a "Ngarrindjeri" tribe, but only the "Ramindjeri"). Certainly food for thought, anyway.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 07:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Naturally YH when I in good faith stood 2007 Australian Parliament for we whitefellas' democracy with our Australian Democrats Party, I was asked to Candidate campaign Kingston, "Adelaide" southern suburbs which I'd clearly been misled by people in power positions of trust, along with so many others into thinking that country was so called "['KAURNA]" & simply sought to respect when I drove past into the Monika so called "Living Kaurna Culture Centre" Warriparinga. I've therefore been totally misled by the apparent collaboration of both Georgina Williams & UNESCO Award winning Adelaide Uni Linguist Dr Rob Amery into thinking that SA Museum's Ethnographer Norman Tindale 1920s-1974 posterity published, popularised so called "['KAURNA]" were reality. I've since learned that there are at least another two so called "Tribes" or 1st Nations manufactured by Tindale namely Kokatha from Kokata & Bundjalung from Githabul ... how many other dodgy unscientific anthropological works are there for example "Ngarrindjeri" & Hindmarsh Island controversy? I do not know.

However you can be sure as per scientific method I will observe, develop a working hypothesis & keeping testing it until proven invalid & clearly Karno Walker has demonstrated that quite clearly to me actually making & taking time to visit, stay, share, eat with Ramindjeri collected, collated works on Karta (Kangaroo Island) which I can only invite, even implore that you do too however based on your armchair critical works todate I cannot easily imagine you doing that however truth will out ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mifren#See_also Mifren (talk) 07:05, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

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The VFT
Glad to help. I've been well, but rather busy and not possessed of the best internet connection. Every time I hear of high speed rail proposals I remember a trip long ago on the Overland (ADL->MEL) and a return car trip. The car outran the train by so far that I think it's still there...rattling through the Adelaide hills. I should have some time tomorrow to have a go and more during the week - Peripitus (Talk) 12:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Peramangk
Again I find your amazing lack of logic YH really quite amazing wrt to 1stNations' peoples in this case Pre-eminent enduring Sovereign Peramangk, "# (cur | prev) 11:58, 6 August 2010 Yeti Hunter (talk | contribs) (58,546 bytes) (They can't have been wiped out and also have enduring sovereignty... surely??) (undo)" Given you are so source oriented why not directly contact and respectfully communicate with: Committee: Peramangk Heritage Association Inc Site Address: Mailing Address: PO box GERARD SA 5152 Email Address: Web Address: Position: Chairperson Name: Mr Howard (Barney) Lindsay Phone: (08) 8583 7304 http://www.awdgp.org.au/client_images/203671.pdf Isn't that fairly evident that despite your and other writers' assertions to the contrary Peramangk are enduring and not totally ''wiped out'? Really YH why is it so difficult for you to simply google search? http://www.google.co.id/search?hl=id&client=firefox-a&hs=nuc&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=peramangk&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= Mifren (talk) 09:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

"2004-08-17 Families with Peramangk ancestory, Hunter, Disher, Mason, Christmas, Nantoon, Beck, Cook, " http://www.ausanthrop.net/resources/ausanthrop_db/detail.php?id_search=449

Not that I'd rely on it in any way it is interesting to note here the relative closeness of the Peramangk boundary with Marble Hill, South Australia http://www.ahcc.com.au/Adl_Hills_RAA_Map_08.pdf

Then there is, http://hahndorf.wikispot.org/Peramangk "Peramangk family group names included Poonawatta, Tarrawatta, Karrawatta, Yira-Ruka, Wiljani, Mutingengal, Runganng, Jolori, Pongarang, Paldarinalwar, Merelda. They did not become extinct,[my emphasis] and many families can trace connections back to several survivors. Art works were being maintained well into the 20th century. Norman Tindale in his various interviews with Peramangk descendents recorded the names of at least 8 family groups; the Poonawatta to the west of Mt Crawford, the Tarrawatta and Yira-Ruka (Wiljani)whose worta (lands) extended to the east down as far as Mt Torrens and Mannum. The Karrawatta (west) and Mutingengal(Mareldi) (east), occupied lands to the north of Mt Barker, but somewhat south of the River Torrens. The Rungang (Jolori), Pongarang (Paldarinalwar), and the Merelda, occupied the lands to the south of Mt Barker, in preceding order down as far as Myponga in the south. (ref: [WWW]http://www.samuseum.sa.gov.au/ | Tindale Tribes | Peramangk | )"

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-186152.html "Ext User(KANGAROOISTAN) 15-07-2006, 12:03 AM A gathering of the PERAMANGK, at Mt Barker south australia, is planned ///, Any person of aboriginal desent from Kangaroo island to Marree, including adelaide hills and flinders ranges , plaease contact theoldman@kangarooistan.com.au by email if you know of any possible contacts or information to help organize a gathering of the clans,yes a few peramank did live on k i and a few in marree but mostly in the adelaide hills very early on, and moving north as settlement forced them away from settled areas, mixing all the while till they are now lost in the mists of time, Do you know of any family connections ???" ... "But the internet is great for finding people, and sharing photos, and its really amazing to see a flood of info hidden away in unpublished files and hospital records , even in old diaries are all now available , that simply could never ever be had in a thousand lifetimes,

indeed its the same world wide, in every culture, history is being rewritten

White men recorderd their version and called it hard fact

but white mans history is more propaganda, if you want the truth you must go find it cos there is heaps they did not want known, that now sneaks out slowly

They say the Peramank died out in 1860

but clearly the peramank just moved on to escape whites expansion, and once no longer on their own land the peramank adopted the identity of the dominant tribe they entered, and were lost to white mans eyes, No mate there will never be a peramank uprising, its ancient history of interest only to family history buffs, and historians that will one day be proud of the local history, warts and all,

the peramangk are genetically an interesting lots though, they are seen all around the world as hills or mountain dwelers who prefer or are genetically destimned to live in secluded isolated places and move rather than confront threats, this seems to be a trait found in some communities all over the globe

a survival strategy, genetic , seen to work quite well , but not suitable for expansion to large numbers ,

and in south australia many imigrants who came to south australia were themselves self selecting themselves as survivors simply getting away from confloict in the old world

the desire to simply up and move to safer places bought many interesting genetics into south australia in 1800s, less so lately but sth aust was the end of the world back then, and its appeal was seen by people of peramangk predisposition, seek peace and quiet even if it means hardlife , sth aust was never a easy ride , but its safe and quiet and you probable wont get invaded very often, even the blacks in sth australia were seldom treated as bad as in other places, by comparison

there were only ever a few hundred peramangk, so perhaps several thousand desendants may be out there, granted many will be of very mixed background and few will read this but its a start

white mans history pretty much thinks they dont exist, the dont as such but they are still present if the facts be known, their genetic inclination to live secluded lives keeps them from view to most western eyes, and most western media/history books, and as there is only a few thousand, its only via internet that any possible links could be made ???" etc etc etc there are 10 Google pages to search through ...

Then when I actually go to look at exactly what the National Trust Hahndorf Website does actually record, "With the advancement of agricultural development, which displaced many Aboriginals and the spread of infectious diseases introduced by the Europeans the population of Aboriginal people declined dramatically. Very little documentation of the Peramangk people exists beyond the 1850s and it is thought those who remained integrated with the 'Ngarindjeri' of the lower Murray and the 'Kaurna' of the Adelaide plains." Seriously, how can anyone logically conclude that Peramangk have been wiped out? I find some of your behaviours and unilateral wikiediting conclusions YH to be downright disrespectful if not discriminating to 1stNations people ...


 * Actually most of those sources do mention that the Peramangk either "died out", were "wiped out" or "disappeared". The most promising source you posted was the report of a call for people with Peramangk ancestry, but this is not a reliable source and at any rate does not establish the continued existence of the social entity that was Peramangk Tribe, only their genetic line. I agree though that the words "had been wiped out" are unnecessarily dismissive of the other theories for their disappearance. I will fix this, and try to get about repairing the multiple issues with the rest of the article.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 07:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

John Howard
good stuff. --Merbabu (talk) 06:25, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

parklands
I was wondering how long before someone noticed ;-) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 08:43, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Double Gammas
Dude, there was consensus to merge not delete! Where is the list of nominations/winners? MartinSFSA (talk) 07:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you think the list of winners is suitable for the parent article, then certainly feel free to add them under an appropriate sub-heading. See my rationale at Talk:Doctor Who in Australia. I did not think that an extensive list of winners was the kind of information likely to be appropriate for a general DW article, but if you're willing to merge more information, I'll let the wider DW editing community determine consensus on inclusion or otherwise.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 07:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for you permission to perform several hours, or possibly weeks, of work upon this task you've made up. Conversely, how about you add every single bit of information from the Double Gammas page to the Doctor Who in Australia page and then we par down, as per consensus? I fail to see how your merge is any different from the deletion we voted against. MartinSFSA (talk) 08:14, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The only information that isn't already in the parent article is the list of categories, and the full list of winners - both very unlikely to find consensus for inclusion in a general article, in my opinion. But if you want it in, you make the changes. I'm sure it won't take you "weeks" to add a headline and a winners list copy pasted from the Double Gammas history. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 08:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, a question about my work speed/competence. As you can see for yourself, repairing the dead links today took hours and several goes--and was still wrong. I'm sure you have everyone's best interests at heart, but you keep urinating on me and then telling me it's raining. MartinSFSA (talk) 08:53, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Bushfires in Victoria
Thanks for the note, and good on you for rattling the cage. I've learned a bit in the process of researching the topic. It's ironic to be writing about it when it is pouring rain outside. --Melburnian (talk) 06:08, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Tea Party movement and "their interpretation of"
I believe these words were added because, in their absence, it would sound as if we are endorsing the TPM interpretation of the Constitution, and also as if the TPM was somehow special for endorsing that document (an obvious falsehood). In fact, the TPM has a very distinct interpretation that is, if not fringe, certainly non-standard. Perhaps the way to solve this would be to find a properly cited adjective, such as "originalist" or "traditionalist", and use that instead. What do you think? Dylan Flaherty (talk) 13:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The topic was raised on the talk page, so you might want to reply there, instead. Dylan Flaherty (talk) 13:15, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Possible to create a map of traditional Ramindjeri lands?
Heyo, you did such a great job creating the map of traditional Ngarrindjeri lands that I was wondering if you could create a map of the traditional Ramindjeri lands around Encounter Bay? --Roisterer (talk) 08:33, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to, but I've not come across a historical description of their lands before. Tindale seems to equate Ngarringjeri and Ramindjeri, and until the recent native title challenge, I had always assumed the Ramindjeri were simply a subset of the Ngarrindjeri. If an accurate description of the claimed land can be provided, I could use the existing file and quickly whip one up in inkscape. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 09:17, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As stated above http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yeti_Hunter/Archive_2#.22Kaurna.22 I really wish YH you'd get off yr unnecessarily critical butt & see Ramindjeri Karno Walker yourself rather than persistently using & abusing wikiediting to somehow maintain your own apparently egocentric paradigm ...Mifren (talk) 07:11, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually today when I was able to speak with Ramindjeri Elder Meryl Mansfield pers comm 2 Mar 2011 I heard readings from if I recall correctly p16 & p59 of Berndt & Berndt's "A World That Was" which collectively indicated that "Ngarrindjeri" never existed per se. Sadly I do not have a personal copy however I just found a copy online at http://books.google.com/books?id=gYhQnj6cWh8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=a+world+that+was+berndt+%26+berndt&source=bl&ots=lKbrA_EpKL&sig=T9e9oQ_LMwZsUFXsLvZkTEpuL9Q&hl=en&ei=GlZuTenWK87qrQf3oMiHDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false so I will now have a go at independently looking for these references. One of which is actually,

"A world that was: the Yaraldi of the Murray River and the lakes, South Australia" By Ronald Murray Berndt, Catherine Helen Berndt, John E. Stanton

Chapter "1 The land and the people p19 Identification: the Narrinyeri constellation and its neighbours Up to now, we have used the wider identifying term Narrinyeri. However, the people themselves did not use that name to refer to the collectivity of groups whose members recognized a common social and cultural perspective, although not necessarily a common language or dialectal one. Narrinyeri (sometimes Narindjeri or Ngarindjeri) means 'belonging to people' as contrasted with Kringgari (Europeans), and was derived from kornarinyeri (belonging to men or human beings--implying that all other people were non-human). The term was apparently first used by Taplin (in Woods ed. 1879: 1) and under that label he distinguished a range of tribes. He contended that it was possible to 'consider the Narrinyeri as a nation divided into tribes, or as a tribe of Aborigines divided into clans'. As we shall see, the evidence suggests that members of a number of language/dialectal units acknowledged common bonds and interests over a fairly wide area of country. However, on that basis alone it is not appropriate to speak as Taplin did of this constellation of units constituting a confederacy or a nation. Identification of the people concerned rested primarily on membership of a dialectal or language group in which were located a number of clans linked specifically to stretches of territory. All of the people within this constellation had a common language with dialectal variations; moreover, there were also dialectal variations between some of the clans. The appropriate traditional categorization of the whole group was Kukabrak: this term, as we mention again below, was used by these people to differentiate themselves from neighbours whom they regarded as being socio-culturally and linguistically dissimilar. However, the term Narrinyeri has been used consistently in the literature and by Aborigines today who recognize a common descent from original inhibitants of this region-- even though their traditional identifying labels have been lost. If contemporary descendants do know them, they may still prefer to use the broader form which has now gained some currency since it was first used well over a century ago.

The territory of the Narrinyeri was roughly that noted by Taplin, although on the basis of the information we were given by Aborigines in the early 1940s, it has actually been enlarged a little, stretching to the coastal area of the Gulf St Vincent.

At the edges of the broader territory of this constellation, the lower Kaurna (as a segment of the Adelaide 'tribe') were located from Brighton to a point between Hallet's Cove and Port Noarlunga. They spoke a language different from Narrinyeri or Kukabrak, although there were said to be able to understand and converse in, for instance, Ramindjerie. Despite their peripherality, it is clear that the Kaurna people were part of the wider group (see Teichelmann and Schurmann 1840; Wyatt in Woods ed. 1879 and Williams 1839)."Mifren (talk) 16:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Adelaide Park Lands
Further to constructing Talk:Light Square, Adelaide, I wondered about the other 21 of the 29 Parks. An hour later, I came away with all sorts of "interesting stuff". The most useful was (is?) M. Long (2003) Adelaide Park Lands Management Units, Figure 4, page 11, A Biodiversity Survey of the Adelaide Parklands South Australia in 2003, Science and Conservation Directorate, Department for Environment and Heritage, South Australia at http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/science/pdfs/biosurvey/adelaide-parklands-report.pdf

I've started to expand my Talk:Light Square, Adelaide list at Adelaide Park Lands. Feedback would be appreciated. (So would any assistance you might like to offer!) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:21, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah! Now I remember the OTHER reason I'm here.
 * I see it was you who cleaned up File:Streetmap of Adelaide and North Adelaide.svg
 * I've overlaid it with the Park numbers (at File:Streetmap of Adelaide and North Adelaide.png) - .png because: 1) I don't have software to edit svg files, and 2) I didn't want to over-write your neat, clean and tidy picture with numbers that make it messy.
 * I'm not super-thrilled with the result. As I said, I think it looks messy. If it wasn't copyright, I would rather have used M. Long's "Figure 4".
 * What are your thoughts, opinions, suggestions, advice?
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:32, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Is there anybody out there? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:30, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I've been busy over the weekend! Yes, the park numbers. The reason I didn't add them to the map when I edited it was due to aesthetics, but it's quite an informative bit of graphic with those numbers in. However, I heartily agree that the image on page 11 of that DEH document is just bomber. It would be a simple matter to use the SVG we have to make a much simpler image of Adelaide, and then whack in those park boundaries in red. It'd be a completely different looking map, so it wouldn't look silly right next to the existing one. Unfortunately my copy of Inkscape is playing up at the moment. Haven't been able to get it going yet. I will have a crack when and if I sort that problem out! --Yeti Hunter (talk) 13:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * "Sorry, I've been busy over the weekend!" - You know that's COMPLETELY unacceptable! We wiki-addicts expect instant response on ALL matters, no matter how trivial!! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * "The reason I didn't add them to the map when I edited it was due to aesthetics," - Agreed.
 * "but it's quite an informative bit of graphic with those numbers in." - Agreed.
 * "It would be ... " - Sounds like a good plan to me!
 * "I will have a crack ... " - Great! I look forward to the result!!
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) I didn't know that! Very interesting. Thanks. You wouldn't have any references to the history of these olive groves, would you?
 * 2) I expected the Melbourne St bit of North Adelaide would have a "name" - thanks to you I now know what that name is.
 * Presumably the "lower" refers to the elevation above sea-level?
 * Do the other two bits have names? (Particularly the Childrens' Hospital / Cathederal bit?)
 * 3) How's your Inkscape?
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) This verifies that there exist historic olive groves in the parklands, unfortunately it does not mention their location. I do know (WP:OR!) that the Italian community still harvests the olives every season.
 * 2) The main grid is, I think, referred to as simply "North Adelaide", though North Adelaide suggests "Upper North Adelaide", and the "Cathedral Grid" for the smallest part. I am confident about "Lower North Adelaide", though I admit it is through Wikipedia that I got the other two names. A search for north adelaide "cathedral grid" yields only Wikipedia and mirrors.
 * 3) I've not been inkscaping recently due to my mac suddenly not wanting to open X11, but I have recently come into the posession of a PC as well, so I should be able to download a new copy and get editing soon.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 09:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the responses. I keenly await further information when it becomes available. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Park 12
What a gentleman! Thanks for clearing that up. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 08:52, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ;-) Again: Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 08:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear!
Just to cloud the issue(!!), have a look at these:  Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)