User talk:Yidisheryid/Archive 3

Motza Sifasecha Tishmor V'Asisa
I will remove it; however, I would suggest that you take extreme care with allegations of abuse. Improper allegations, even intimated, are unacceptable. If you have an issue with the behavior of a particular sysop, you may bring it to WP:ANI; but frivolous and unsubstantiated claims are often perceived as trolling and treated as such. History has shown over the years here in wiki that someone who is quick to throw around abuse allegations often does not have the best interests of the project at heart--more likely a personal POV to push--and such people are usually net detriments. Just a word to the wise. -- Avi 15:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks--יודל 16:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Please do not restore unsourced information. I will be starting with information for which seven months have passed without substantiation. As time goes on and sources are not added, I will continue to prune the article. Sourcing requirements need to be applied evenly and equitably to an entire article. Thank you. I will leave in the fact that Ger and Belz vote; please find a source for it--even though we both know it it does not matter, as it is not common knowledge. -- Avi 16:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I did not write that part other users through excessive collaboration of hard work for months did that, u cannot come and block an article and declare yourself the boss of text that has no edit conflict on it, i will put links and sources for everything that i can and u r invited to do that as well but u r not going to form the article as u wish wikipedia is called a public and open encyclopedia and urge not to abuse your power again in re-blocking the article thanks--יודל 16:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Part of my responsibilities as a sysop here in wikipedia is to ensure that wikipedia policy is followed. Please review the wikipedia sourcing requirements as described on the pages No original research, Reliable sources, Verifiability, and Attribution for starters. Willfully ignoring wikipedia policy is considered a form of vandalism, and measures may be taken to protect the integrity of the wikipedia project in cases where policy is being willfully ignored. Please see Protection policy and Blocking policy for more information. Thank you. -- Avi 16:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And part of my responsibility is to watch that administrators like u should not abuse their power, i have shown how u blocked an article when there was no real edit war on anything and then u deleted to a version saying that it was problematic showing on an un-existing talk about this, now u try to influence the article in your biased version against community consensus, with a bogus answer that this is your job, Please do not do it in your role as an admin but in your role as a normal wikipedia user, because if u use your sysop tools here u not only can be un-admined but blocked forever. Thanks--יודל 16:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you have a problem with me, you may bring it to WP:ANI. Of course, once a lot of people are looking at the edit histories, your own reactions, accusations, and edits will be brought to light as well. If you have nothing to fear, then fine. But unfounded accusations, such as you are making, are only contributing to the body of work that may eventually result in a WP:RFC. -- Avi 16:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Until u are working obviously and openly like this, there is no point to complain i can deal with u very good, from my point of view u can go ahead and block that article for a year, u will accomplish nothing as long as in the end it will be opened. When i will see that your abuse is reaching a point that innocent users get turned away and the quality of our project will suffer then i will report everything meanwhile watch your step and stop telling Yosie that i agreed with u on your edits.--יודל 16:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

(outdent)Perhaps English is not your native tongue, as all I said was you challenged Yossi's claim that it was well known that Ger and Belz's joining the gov't means that they support it. Just to ensure, I brought a few edits where you said that yourself, so I guess you must have challenged that. Perhaps you do not remember. Regardless, making accusations based on misunderstandings will only result in problems. Another word to the wise; make sure that you know WHAT was said before you respond antagonistically. -- Avi 16:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I beg u stop using my name, its all i ask.--יודל 16:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Kol HaMavi Davar B'shem Omro, Mayvi Geulah Leolam. Are you asking me to go against the 12th of the Yud-Gimel Ikarim? [[Image:Face-wink.svg|25px]] -- Avi 16:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. Stop quoiting me as if i said what u said, its wrong unethical and very childish please stop--יודל 16:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I sould suggest you re-read the conversation. You seem to be suffering from a distinct misunderstanding. -- Avi 17:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't tell me that i suffer i ca this personal attacks not that i care about your attacks on me but don't tell me that i did not warn u to stop.--יודל 17:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Personal attacks
With this edit you have started to cross the line into personal attacks. For the record:

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing.

-- Avi 17:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have made clear my words there thanks for the note--יודל 17:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Haredim and Zionism
Hi Yidsheryid. Two little things I hope you will take notice of - firstly, Avi is a very good and fair person and admin, and he is trying his best to help resolve any problems you and Yossiea have, in a neutral manner. Accusing him of abuse is unkind, and I would appreciate it very much if you didn't do that any more, instead ask him to explain anything you disagree with. Avi has done nothing wrong. Secondly, articles in Wikipedia need to be verifiable. This means articles need references. Look at some of Wikipedia's best articles to see how they are referenced. If Avi is removing text you added to an article, it will be because it is not referenced - it doesn;t matter whether you know it is true or not, we have to have a verifiable, referenced source for the text. I would like to thank you for doing your best to try and help make the article better, and I am glad you are trying to work with the other editors. I hope you can continue to do that. Best, Neil   ム  18:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no problem and no argument anymore with yosia, evidently u don't follow this so please stop saying that i have done something wrong, all i asked is deleting one line and u ignored it, and use Yosia fixed it, i thanked him and in came user avi deleting whole chunks, i see your point but i ask u to back off this issue u did not want to act ast week to delete one line now all of a sudden u r here i appreciate your help, but please don't talk in issues u have no clue about, the article is opened and no edit problems in process, if avi will close it again we will bring u in for now your comment was uncalled for. thanks and have a beautiful day.--יודל 18:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Avi asked me to look into your accusations of abuse, precisely because I have no clue about the article's content so am neutral. I did not find any evidence of any abuse.  All I asked was for you to stop making such accusations (which you did, previously) - as long as you do so, I agree that there's nothing else to discuss. Thanks.  Neil   ム  09:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Why r u now waking up when this is long over? when i asked u last week to look into allegations about me from that other user u were silent? when i asked u to deal with my complains against avi's actions that i explained in detail u were silent! why did u call me constantly edit waring when i was not? why do u suddenly saying that u looked into the article when u admit u don't have a clue on its contents? how can i explain to u words that i have already given proof and substantiates on your talk page, and u don't even bother to address them? and u even dare to say that u don't want nothing else to discuss, while all this is the proof and the background of the chronicle of avi's actions? i believe that avi's actions speak for itself, and i am not going to be dragged into this again, since the artice is re-opened already and this whole think is history, Please do not bring up my old words against avi out of context that u say u want to ignore and u ignored at the time, and as u r also ignoring his words against me that my talk page is full of. Unless u r a personal friend of avi's and u only want to act when he calls u to defend him, then lets be clear i will apologize for every statement, i consider avi a great dedicated user and not and definitely not an abuser of power, some action i had issue with was taken out of proportion by me and will apologize for my over reaction. i have nothing against him, only the utmost respect and love for his contributions for wikipedia, as i already declared tens of times to himself, i would urge him to consider my complains for the good of wikipedia and i am ready to erase everything of the record.--יודל 11:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

News talk radio 77
I am not a fan of Bob Grant, as I have never heard of him up until 2 weeks ago. When and if the time comes that I appreciate his passionate opinions and stimulating talk, I will indeed add him to my 770 userbox. If you care to, please copy my user box into a user box of your own, add Bob Grant and save it under your own name.

In reference to your "notable YU alumnus", it is my opinion that he is not notable enough; as such, I cannot help you. ("alumni" is plural.)

I will refrain from providing unsolicited advice on your general approach and/or history of edits to Wikipedia as they appear from a cursory review of your talk page, but should you wish to talk, we can. I believe you can accomplish much if you would only modify your approach.

K'siva v'chasima tova.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 15:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am ready open and wiling to listen and hear all kinds of constructive criticism, i did indeed solicited your opinion on this so go ahead and talk to me. Thanks--יודל 15:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Moshe Weinberger
Thanks for contacting me concerning your proposed article on Moshe Weinberger. While I do currently attend Yeshiva University, it is actually at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law of Yeshiva University. I am not Jewish (I actually don't align with a religion), and I do not believe I could meaningfully contribute to this kind of article (although after briefly looking at it, it seems you're off to a very promising start). Good luck with your project. Chengwes 22:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Jewish0utreachBookCover.jpg)
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Your "accent" seems to be going
Hiya Yidisheryid: I couldn't help but notice that your last comment here at Articles for deletion/Shraga Hager that revealed that you really are capable of writing well in English, especially if the goal seems to be to criticize me and to promote a pro-Christian POV editorial policy regarding contrived missionary articles. At any rate, it was nice to read clear English sentences for a change without any seemingly fake-sounding mis-spellings. IZAK 07:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Although i have never spoken to you by phone or by person you should detect any accent from my part, you evidently took the pain and time and read my user page declaring Yiddish as my mother language and Judaism as my identity. Let me assure you that indeed i am a proud Jew first, but at that same token i am indeed an American citizen which has no other country to pledge my allegiance, i am a Satmar anti Zionist Jew, so i have no duel loyalty here, but only one homeland called the united states of America the land of the free. Yes i was born and raised in Brooklyn NY, so if you consider yourself a southern professional English talker i am happy for you, and i thank you for your compliment that my English is not that bad. Regarding your constant personal attacks on me that my guarding the neutrality in deleting wikipedia stuff shows you that i am a pro Christian biased user, i will tell you that i take it for a real flattering blushing recognition of my hard work here, since i asked u a simple question, i think i am very dignified and i am very proud of you for addressing and dealing with it the best you can, i appreciate your honesty and openness about my question and thank you for your answer. Keep up the good work, and lets both work harder in our differing agendas of how to better this encyclopedia.--יודל 13:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, seems that rather than discuss the issues it is you that is doing the personal attacks against me, see this latest one Stick to the points you wish to promote or reject in articles, talk pages and votes, but don't keep on mixing in names of other users into the discussions in such a way that may get you blocked. IZAK 06:57, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with you i should not have mentioned any names, but the points there is still valid and i hope this is the answer to it... Thanks for reminding all of us, that our arguments should never be to the users but only to and about the issues. I will know better--יודל 11:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Listen Up
Quit with the harassing bit. How is it harassing to add a notice to your talk page that I put an AFD on an article you created? How is it harassing to issue you a warning because you removed an AFD template from a page? Those are established Wiki policies. Enough with the personal attacks. We are here for a job so let's do it. Yossiea (talk) 19:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I did that once and u put back that warning on my talk 4 times, if this isn't harassing, then what do u call loving?--יודל 19:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I put the warning up once after you reverted. You are not supposed to remove warnings from your page. It's not considered proper. You must be thinking of other warnings you have received. Yossiea (talk) 20:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Until our issue isn't resolved i will not let u warn me on my talk without proper sources and links. Because it is all allegations and fights. In the future once our issue is resolved we can deal with you as a normal user.--יודל 20:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what your problem is. I put a notice that a page you created is up for AFD. That is something that is a nice thing to do. I didn't have to do it. I then issued you a warning because you removed the AFD template from the page. That goes against WP policies. I don't need your permission to warn you when you violate those policies. Yossiea (talk) 20:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * U don't need my permission, and i don't need yours.--יודל 20:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It looked like I did need your permission. You wrote that "i will not let u warn me..." [sic]Yossiea (talk) 20:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry i did not ask u permission. I will try next time to ask you nicely.--יודל 20:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

YDS - Occupation
Please see Talk:Yisroel Dovid Weiss for an explanation why filling the "occupation" tag is improper at this point, even though he may be called Rabbi. Gmar Chasimah Tova -- Avi 14:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

AJOP
I closed the AFD because 1) consensus was leading to keep, and 2) the article no longer warranted an AFD according to my nomination. I have no idea why you want to rollback and keep it open. Yossiea (talk) 15:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) There is no consensus leading to keep. 2) you are not the only one who nominated it for deletion.--יודל 15:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Take a count. 2) I am the only one who nominated it. Only one person can nominate it. I now withdraw my nomination. Yossiea (talk) 15:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) i take full account. 2) You arn't the only one who nominated this deletion process look in its edit history. 2) more then one person can nominate it. 3) you can only withdrew your nomination not a page that others have also nominated it before you changed your mind.--יודל 16:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Orthodox Jewish outreach
Orthodox Jewish outreach, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Orthodox Jewish outreach satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Orthodox Jewish outreach and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Orthodox Jewish outreach during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Yossiea (talk) 18:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with it but i am working on resources.--יודל 18:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Blocked
Your account has been blocked from editing Wikipedia for a period of 24 hours, because evidence at Suspected sock puppets/Yidisheryid shows that you have abused multiple accounts. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

unblock
 * 1) My apoligies I was guilty of vote sacking and i immediately stopd after being warned. Therefore the appearance of meat puppetry was shoeing mistakenly on one vote, i ask forgiveness from the community for that sin.
 * 2) False allegations to win consensus This issue is now being used by users to erase articles that i have put in tremendous work.
 * 3) I am being labeled as a sock-puppet unheard of by other declared and accused and blocked sockpupetiers.
 * 4) Consensus was never reached, especially when an other Admin has told me that i have made my case enough clear and i should stop defending myself, and here he comes and just says in silence that i am a clear sock puppet! In silence!!! not mentioning and not addressing one comment, while other 4 users have expressed doubt in this allegation against only 3 (who all of those three users were clearly shown their desire to block me in non-related issues) who have expressed support for it.
 * 5) Conflict of interest This Admin who judged me as a sock puppet, without any consensus, and blocked me, has broken the rules and has blocked other users declaring them also as sockputes without leaving them a notice on their talk pagers that they are even blocked, and the reason of why they were blocked, paired with his hastened blocking of hundred's of other users i ask for third party opinion if his blockage of me wasn't part of a bigger agenda here of blocking users.--יודל 18:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Closing discussions
Since you are not an admin, you cannot close any discussions, unless they are long enough and unanimous. `'Míkka 15:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * An other admin has closed it not i myself.--יודל 15:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Jewish Orthodox anti-Zionists
I have nominated jewish orthodox anti-zionists for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Yossiea (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for notifying--יודל 15:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think your last comment may leave people confused. If you're trying to say that you support keeping and renaming the category, you should cross through the word "delete", which seems to indicate that you now want to see it deleted, rather than kept. Hope that's clear! Cgingold 06:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Fascinating
I never thought I would see the day that a "Satmar Chasid" would equate Rabbanus with Artistry. It is inconceivable to me that you could have such a fundemental misunderstanding of Limud Torah, Harbotzas HaTorah, and what the term "Rabbi" means in Haredi Orthodoxy if you were brought up in either Williamsburg, Monsey, or Eretz Yisrael. I guess ayn Kol Chadash Tachas HaShemesh can have temporary dispensations. Piska Tava -- Avi 16:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not everybody brought up in Williamsburg Borough Park or Monsey are rabbis. Most are not. Monsey and Lakewood do have a bigger percentage of Rabbis--יודל 16:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a personal attack; I am just simply fascinated. I'm learning something new about Satmar Chasidim that I have never knew before. It is just that I know many of them, and your approach is just so radically different. Maybe it is my upbringing that is the issue, that all the Satmar Chasidim I know may only represent a small portion of the total. I doubt that, but it is possible.


 * Also, calling something a personal attack, when it is not, is ipso facto a personal attack. Please do not do that in the future. It only reduces your own credibility in the event that you do become a victim of a personal attack. -- Avi 16:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It is still a Personal attack, You may have good intentions which your record speaks for itself, but my personal life does not ever ever come into play here. especially when you say that you know my friends and they arent like me.
 * i am not afraid of calling a personal attack a personal attack, don't worry i wont block u for it, your record must be documented since u call very often users to be blocked for such sins. And you have already said that u will block me if you weren't involved with me in the Zionism issue, so in essence don't worry so much about my credibility when you have already exposed yourself as somebody who would not pass a chance to ruin it, i call on you to stop harassing me on my talk page once and for all stop for our mutual interest, because if our discussions get out of hand we will both be blocked from editing further this encyclopedia and i assume good faith in you that you don't mean to harass me just to express your friendly fascination about me, because i am not here about us.--יודל 16:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Very well, if it makes you happy to call this a personal attack, go ahead. I am certain impartial readers can make up their own minds [[Image:Face-smile.svg|25px]]. As for harassment, I am uncertain as to what you mean. When it comes to YDW, you seem to have some fundamental misunderstandings as to th definitions of various words, and their uses in wikipedia infoboxes. If you are truly interested building the project, you should appreciate correction where you are wrong. However, in my experience in wiki, I have found that it is usually the people who are less interested in building an encyclopedia and more interested in pushing a particular point of view who do not take well to discourse. Ask yourself, as each and every one of us has to ask ourselves, what is your purpose here. And remember, edit histories are available for all to see. Ayin Roeh, V'Ozen Shoma'as, V'Chol Ma'asechah BaSefer Nichtavim.--L'havdil Elef Alfei Havdalos -- Avi 16:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for further harassing me that i am a single issue user and that i am not aware of things you are aware. i don't want u blocked but i do want you to know how clowny it is while you cry to others should block me for this. I don't laugh on your expense i just try to expose your smile while doing everything to label me and get me blocked, keep on trying and i do not mind as long as u r enjoying yourself--יודל 16:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yidisheryid: FYI, It's "things" not "thinks". IZAK 08:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Izak, thanks i stand corrected.--יודל 12:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Oy Vey
How is "Oy Vey" an attack? do you speak Yiddish? -- Avi 18:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Every dictionary in English has it it is no more solely a Yiddish word.--יודל 18:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

And what is the intended thought or point you wished to make with the above sentence? -- Avi 18:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is very clear your question so my answer is of no use.--יודל 18:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)