User talk:Yidisheryid/Archive 6

Reform: Love or hate 'em?
You know, why should I be surprised that on one hand you attack Reform as being far more removed from Judaism than Christians, and then you go ahead and create an article attacking Zionism based on the views of Reform rabbis: "In 1942, a number of dissident Reform rabbis founded the American Council for Judaism, the first and only Jewish organization created to fight against Zionism and the establishment of a Jewish state. -- but it's no surprise that you come down on all sides because this is all a game to you, of "tricks" to disrupt Wikipedia, like workings of a typical WP:TROLL because you will never hold to one line of reasoning but you will pick and choose to fit the moment or your mood, so that if the situation is a toss up between Christians and the Reform you will choose the Christian side and if the toss up is between the Reform and Zionism you will choose the Reform! So are you with Reform or aren't you? And even with the the Orthodox Jews you will attack some and edit and vote first to create and then to delete. This is yet another sign of WP:DISRUPT. Very bad. IZAK 13:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I am very clear of what i am, and who i am, see my user page. Now don't mix my personal opinions with my editing pattern because that shows for everybody clearly who is the troll here and who is disrupting wikipedia.--יודל 13:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, really? IZAK 13:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes.--יודל 13:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ye? IZAK 13:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha!--יודל 13:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nein! IZAK —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 14:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * אייזיק הער אויף זיך צו קריגן מיט מיר, איך זאג דיר אז יא אז דו ווילסט דוקא קען איך דיר שיקן די אימעילס וואס די גוים זאגן וועגן דיר, זיי געזונט און שטארק און מאך געלט דורך שרייבן וואס דו קענסט יעדע מינוט וואס דו טענסט דיך מיט מיר איז שאדן פאר אונז ביידע. איך האלט מער פאר דיר, ווי דו פון מיר. .--יודל 15:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Definition of trolling
See What is a troll?:

The idea of defining trolling is in many ways comical at best. The nature of trolls is to slip from any definition intended to constrain their actions and to find new and innovative ways to be aggravating. What follows are some comments that point generally in the direction of what a troll is and what trolls do. But it is not possible to identify everything someone might do to deliberately try to wreak havoc on Wikipedia. For this reason, no enforcement whatsoever has been set up against trolls.

Trolling is a deliberate, bad faith attempt to disrupt the editing of Wikipedia. Ignorance is not trolling. Genuine dissent is not trolling. Biased editing, even if defended aggressively, is in itself not trolling. By themselves, misguided nominations, votes, and proposed policy are not trolling. They are only trolling when they are motivated by a program of malice rather than ignorance or bias. This requires a judgment of the personal motivation for another's action. Such a judgment can never be made with anything approaching certainty. This fact should always be kept in mind when one is tempted to label someone a troll.

Pay note, carefully! Thank you! IZAK 13:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks i have read it and i approve of it.--יודל 13:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, and you approve of all the Jews in Israel being thrown into the sea as well! IZAK 13:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, this isn't my opinion. I love all Jews no matter what and where they are, and i pray for their well being. My view is let the sin be eradicated because i hate it, and all sinners return immediately to the right way of life. It may be irrational, but as a Religious person my life is based allot on a trust in higher power --יודל 13:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Whose the "higher power" Jesus or God? IZAK 13:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The Jewish G-d--יודל 13:58, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Some say that Jesus was the "Jewish" god because he was Jewish and believed he was a god. So maybe it's that god you talking about? With you it's hard to tell. IZAK 14:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I cannot speak for other traditions, but my religion dictates to me that all people who believe in a Jewish g-d are good gentiles. On Jesus; as long as we don't consider him as the only g-d, but only a son or other forms of Godly names i do not have a problem with it, nor does my religion. Jesus was throughout history considered as a Jewish Rabbi before some people, (some say it was our rabbis who did this and not the gentiles) turned him into a perception of some form of G-D, this was done wrongly and is strongly forbidden and condemned throughout our history, we don't have to repeat historic events here, i do full heartedly follow my religion on this matter.--יודל 14:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oy Vey, do you even know what you are writing? Yossiea (talk) 15:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes he does, he is saying that he believes in the Trinity. Pretty obvious isn't it. IZAK 15:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Izak please don't say what i said. I clearly condemn this believe as something which my religion is against. But the gentiles who believe in this are in my view good and decent man which i do love and respect.--יודל 15:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Archive this! ;) Nice clear good statements from both of you. But let's get on with the future. (Sorry, I guess I shouldn't get involved really, but that's my thought.) Alastair Haines 15:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Alaster, can i archive only this subject and leave the other unfinished privies discussions unarchived?--יודל 15:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Why not just have a bot archive your page, as it does on my page. Any discussions over seven days old gets archived. Yossiea (talk) 15:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yosy, thanks for a good idea how do i do it?--יודל 15:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Put this on the top of your talk page: (add the curly brackets here and at the end) User:MiszaBot/config

(add curly brackets here)
 * maxarchivesize = 250K
 * counter = 1
 * algo = old(7d)
 * archive = User talk:Yidisheryid/Archive %(counter)d
 * Wow that so nice of you to help me. Done it. Thanks again.--יודל 15:58, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, but you might run into an issue with your manual archive. You might want to put those back on your talk page and have a CSD on the archive page so the bot can do it. Also, you'll need to add this as well, to get the archive box. (add curly brackets here.) archive box collapsible|auto=yes (add curly brackets here) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yossiea (talk • contribs) 16:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I am sorry for my ignorence what means a CSD? i would apriciate if you can do it for me.--יודל 16:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks like you already did it. Now all is needed is an admin to delete it. But even if it's not, I think you'll just start your archive from 2 instead of 1, or it might just dump the data onto the 1 page. If that happens, then make sure you remove the CSD template. Yossiea (talk) 16:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks again i do not yet understand what i did but i hope it will work since i only copied it from your talk page. Have a good day--יודל 16:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, it looks like it worked. Yossiea (talk) 14:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Slander?
You have claimed that Rabbi Noach Weinberg was scandalously divorced from his first wife (see the first point "4" at Template talk:JewishOutreach) I have underlined the offending and possibly libelous statements:


 * "Fully agree, Rav Wienberg is a genies, but he is what he is. But he has done allot of good in Kiruv and probably one of its biggest pioneers and leaders. This is no question a premise nobody will argue with. If i call Bil Clinton A genius and the worlds best communicater it does not mean he is perfect, #################################################3. "

As well as in your later point "3" also at Template talk:JewishOutreach:


 * "Rav Wienberg is indeed the biggest achiever in this field and therefore by all means he is a holy Jew. as r' shlomeleh kariblach would say the holiest of the holiest, #####################################, but in no way does this diminish his holiness, this man is above all Jews alive today, not because of his of his teachings, but only because of his merits, he did not personally teach all Jews, but he is the motivator of so many countless rabbis institutions activists and jews to do good, i as a reader of reb Zelig Pliskin's books, which is on his payroll will be the last person on earth to talk negative about this giant rav wienberg. I was just defending him from your accusations that he uses Aliya in his approach, this is false he uses the funds but spends it not on Aliya, this is clearly a trick since Rav Weinberg is a Hareidi and does not follow rav kooks way in Judaism. Again Aliya is not a factor at all in his approach."

Unless you can verify this information with a reliable source it may be a violation of WP:LIBEL, because a Google search shows the school Rabbi Weinberg's wife heads as EYAHT (see also Aish HaTorah and there is nothing about this matter in the Rabbi Noach Weinberg article.) See the official website of the school headed by Rabbi Weinberg's wife:


 * "Rebbetzin Denah Weinberg, wife of the Rosh Yeshiva of Aish HaTorah International, Rabbi Noach Weinberg, is the dean of the college. In her role, she inspires, educates and challenges her students to think about their lives, both internal and external. The highly qualified, diverse faculty of 20 Rebbetzins and Rabbis who join Rebbetzin Weinberg in conveying the beauty of Judaism provide the students with role models and often become warm life-long friends."

If you cannot substantiate your serious claims, kindly strike your comments using so that Wikipedia not be placed in the embarrassing situation of having to explain how such comments were allowed to remain on its website/s. Thank you, IZAK 12:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note I will delete it.--יודל 12:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure Yidisheryid: You're welcome. A Gieten Shabbes. IZAK 12:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Yidisheryid, maybe to be on the safe side also delete this entire section User talk:Yidisheryid. Sincerely, IZAK 13:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The issue is out there, but my claims should not have been written by me, so i erased it from here as well, without deleting your comments which i leave to your decision to delete yourself if you feel it important.--יודל 13:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have no problem with my request and I appreciate your response. We can't take chances in putting everything in print especially about living people because Wikipedia has had some serious cases against it because of such things. All you need is one Aish HaTorahnik to latch on to these comments and who knows what they could claim. So better to err on the side of caution and leave it out. IZAK 13:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The Aish'nices are the most open minded people i don't think it bothers them one bit to see that a Wienberg is bad mouthed but i should not have done it.--יודל 14:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Using the welcome template
Hi, I noticed you placed a welcome message on a new user's page. However you must be very careful because the message failed to be full. You need to type the welcome message in this exact way: make sure it starts with "subst" and spell "welcome" correctly. There are also other templates you may want to use to welcome new users, see: Welcoming committee/Welcome templates and Category:Welcome templates. Hope this helps, IZAK 06:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks--יודל 06:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Shalom
It is good, finally, to discover a Wikipedian who understands and appreciates the importance of exposing to the world the horrible history behind that Warrant for Genocide and The Non-Existent Manuscript. I was becoming extremely discouraged with the general lack of understanding over this very important subject matter. So I'm so glad to have discovered your point of view. Best to you. Yours truly, --Ludvikus 13:50, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks--יודל 13:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that you know User:IZAK. I would like to make Peace with him. I tried contacting him on his page. But he ignored me. Maybe you understand that anyone who touches the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is likely to get his hands dirty]]. I think that's what has happened between us. I do not know how to request a third opinion. Can you help me with that? In particular, I would like to make Peace with IZAK. IZAK has questioned my integrity - I think because I'm the substantial editor who has posted all these articles about this hateful Antisemitic garbage. I really think he and I are on the same side - but he thinks otherwise because I've elected to bring this hateful trash out of the night and into the light of day where, hopefully, the light of the Sun may distroy it. I appreciate it very much if you do your Jewish duty and help me make Peace with IZAK - unless, of course he now rejects you because you voted for a strong keep against his nomination for the deletion of all thirteen (13) artcles (I'm kidding - but it's for emphasis). I believe that you and I agree that it's best for the Jewish people for the world to be fully educated about this plagiarism, fraud, hoax, and many other evil things. I imagine it to be "Satan's Bible." Shalom again. --Ludvikus 14:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * only e-mails will do it. write to him personally your honest opinion and he will soften his position, if u look back in my history u can see that Izak has tried to delete all my work, half of it he succeeded the other half i saved and labored and corrected it according to the will of others. I emailed him and he honestly said that he may soften his position, I did not try yet to see if he is going to hold his word, but know that he is human just like all of us, show him humility and love and he will mirror his emotions, in the end of the day whoever has more time to fight will win, unfortunately Izak has more time now than me, but i beg u to talk to him privately as he tends to be different in email than in public where his glory isn't at stake, like all of us. I wish u good luck, because i am now very happy somebody has the energy and time to collaborate with Izak who is the most vigorous and relentless Jewish user here, therefore you both will make this a better wikipedia. thanks to both of you.--יודל 14:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Yidisheryid and Ludvikus: Thanks for the frank exchange of views here. Believe it or not I do not have limitless time to write via Email. While I recently did engage in a lengthy Email correspondence with Yidisheryid, I cannot always do so. May I suggest that for now, we try to focus ourselves and keep all communications brief and to the point without getting into deeper analyses of each other. So If you keep your messages short I will be glad to respond on my user page or on any other Wikipedia talk page. Let's keep things in the open and on the record as I find it creates a sobering atmosphere, where others can also contribute if they so desire. Thanks again, IZAK 03:38, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * see policy of WP:DR, the first words: Try to avoid arguments. When this is not possible, try talking privately to those involved.--יודל 11:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, have you heard of the expression the Pot calling the kettle black? IZAK 06:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * so now somebody is a hypocrite... somebody needs to cool off and resist heated accusations, and yes that is the second policy after emailing in the WP:DR page.--יודל 11:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

NYC meetup
I've set up a secondary meetup time of 8 PM at the Brooklyn Museum for those who can't make it earlier because of Shabbat.--Pharos 04:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * beautiful, thanks--יודל 11:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

CYCO Yiddish Encyclopedia
I've written a summary of the proposed project at meta:Wikimedia New York City/CYCO Yiddish Encyclopedia. Your further, input, as well as your bringing this to the attention of others who would be able to help, would be appreciated. Thanks.--Pharos 08:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have brought it to the attention in yi wikipedia community portal.--יודל 11:52, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, I read your name in various discussions lately, so I thought I'd drop by and say hello. Basejumper2 12:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Feel free to email me whenever u see a discussion about me sometimes i don't know where they all are.--יודל 12:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I was accused of being your sockpuppet, or of you being mine. Anyways...I followed IZAKs accusations to you sockpuppet trial. I couldn't tell if you were found guilty or not, or what happened. Care to share? Basejumper2 15:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 2 users have expressed Izak's concern, of which one has no contribution at all and is probably Izak's meat puppet, and 4 have dismissed it as pure disruption against me. i was guilty of vote sacking on which i apologized to the community thus the discussion was closed. Please be aware that Izak has a mailing list where he calls all his friends to vote like him so don't get offended when his accusations has suddenly a few other users jumping on u, i was through all this and i know not to be bothered by his antiques anymore.--יודל 16:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both for making me aware of things. I have nothing against IZAK. I think its clear from the articles he started and the way he defends others that he is either an Aish alumni or an employee, but that is okay as long as he keaps to WP:COI. I don't think it's any secret they employ people and accept volunteers to edit wikipedia, so it wouldn't surprise me if there's a big ol' mailing list in case someone edits things differently than they like. Basejumper2 18:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please set up an email on your user page, I don't feel comfortable discussing motives or actions of others so pubicy. but in regards to Aish if you see that any user is disruptively editing those articles please let me know. i have expressed my opinion that it should be sourced with outside third party claims just ike all other articles and i thanked you for your vigilance in this regards keep it up--יודל 19:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Dear Yidisheryid: FYI, I have never used sockpuppets. Kindly withdraw your above false accusation/s against me ("...one has no contribution at all and is probably Izak's puppet") and please follow WP:AGF to the full. Thank you, IZAK 20:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Dear Basejumper2: FYI, I am neither an "Aish alumni" nor "an employee" of theirs (quite funny actually, if I was, I wouldn't be on Wikipedia with all those big things that they do.) Kindly withdraw your above false accusation/s against me and please follow WP:AGF to the full. Thank you kindly, IZAK 20:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry u took it as an offense i withdrew that assessment, but i never have written that he is your sockpupet all i talked about was about plain puppet i have now made it clearer and explicitly written meat puppet i hope Izak forgives me for his misreading of my words, all i said is that Izak has a mailing list where he calls his buddies, i was thrown of that list, but it is still ongoing i see since Izak does not deny it, i represented user who is a puppet because he has virtually zero contributions other than where i am involved with Izak in an edit discussion, it may be his friend or it may be his enemy it does not bother me one inch since this is clear for the community.--יודל 21:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, but I do not have or own "meatpuppets" either. Are you now going to get involved in people's private Emails? That is what I would call chutzpa for a someone who has admitted to other users on the Yiddish Wikipedia that you have over a hundred sockpuppets of your own! In close to five years on Wikipedia I have met many users and I am in contact with very few either by Email or on my or their talk pages, so you are going way beyond any rules of WP:AGF. What is "clear for the community" that has had dealings with you is that you like to violate WP:DISRUPT and that you enjoy WP:POINT. All very sad. IZAK 21:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * For years i have been part of your email list, did u own me? oh no! but can i say that u also don't own an other users who doesn't have any contribution here, and suddenly jumps in on me and on any other user that u r involved in a edit discussion? i am not a prophet. but the facts i provided are true and open for everyone to see.--יודל 23:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, so we are agreed that I don't own meatpuppets and that we have read each other's Emails just that your recent Emails to me have often contained personal threats that in itself is a very serious violation. You seem to think that you are allowed to "jump in on" other users but heaven forfend if someone does that "on" you. You make it sound that other users need to get permission to make comments about you or speak to you. How ridiculous. IZAK 23:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * a persanal friendly email, that i may have sent u, is not like group email lists that u send out.--יודל 23:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Very funny, "very friendly" indeed! For a guy with over a hundred sockpuppets you sure excell at the Pot calling the kettle black. Clean up your act mister before you preach to others! IZAK 00:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Izak please stop you know that your 10 days block is in no way a comparison to my few hours block--יודל 01:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, it was in my early days, and it was for fighting some notorious antisemites who were then kicked off Wikipedia for a very long time, so it was worth it. Why don't you try harassing the antisemitic editors instead of pestering all the good Judaic editors? It would be a big mitzva. You waste so much energy opposing all the wrong people, it is truly a scandal, so much bitul z'man. Change your ways soon, or as they say, "shape up or ship out". IZAK 05:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yidisheryid was previously blocked for 24 hours for sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry, see Suspected sock puppets/Yidisheryid, yet he has the temerity of leveling false charges against other users. IZAK 01:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My block for the sockpupetry accusation was lifted after a few hours by an other admin--יודל 01:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Because you apologized for the meat/sockpuppetry. -- Avi 02:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * yes and i was wrong, i did not know about the policy of vote sacking, thank g-d some good user notified me about it--יודל 02:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop mixing up all the terminology and subjects please. IZAK 05:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * i just answered your accusation that i was blocked for 24 hours that is false and your ten days blockage isn't at all a mix up if u bring up my blockage which is nothing compared to yours.--יודל 12:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ... and yet more mix-ups and smokescreens so that you can get away with your harassments and wasting the time of anbody who comes into contact with you on Wikipedia talk pages...Get another hobby. IZAK 06:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

"Sure, it was in my early days, and it was for fighting some notorious antisemites who were then kicked off Wikipedia for a very long time, so it was worth it. Why don't you try harassing the antisemitic editors instead...." Was this an admission that you are unrepentant for breaking wikipedia rules if you feel it benefits your cause of fighting, "antisemitism." I applaud you for admitting COI on this issue, and look forward to you refraining from getting involved in "anti-semitism" related controversies as you have just admitted wikipedia's policies will come second to your political/racial/religious outlook. Also, are you publicly encouraging an editor to harrass people you consider "anti-semitic?" Could you also define "anti-semitism." Does criticism of Israel for the sake of a balanced article count as "anti-semitism?" Does criticism of Aish HaTorah? Does questioning your self-made rules on who ir is okay to harrasss? IsJews for Jesus an "anti0semitic" organization, along with editors who would like to see that article NPOV?Basejumper2 05:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi there Basejumper2, nice to see you again. Get one thing straight in your head once and for all: You have zero credibility! You have admitted to being a sockpuppeteer to admins yet, so why the heck should anyone take you seriously? Secondly, get this into your head as well, that there is a huge difference between what Wikipedians say on talk pages and what finally gets put into articles -- they are not equal -- because while we have all sorts of discussions on talk pages often being quite frank, since we are not babies in nursery school, everyone knows that in the body of an article WP:NPOV rules and that in any case there are other editors who participate and monitor these things, so don't accuse me or anyone of dumb things, do you get it? Pathetically, since you don't know what "antisemitism" means, see the Antisemitism article! Then go on and read the Nazism and Racism articles as well for good measure. As I said it was in my early days that some antisemitic Jew-hating and Israel-bashing editors were over-active (and don't tell me that you approve of that, it's a violation of POV when in articles), and quite honestly I do not believe that Wikipedia supports antisemitism or racist editors, but feel free to support it if you like and we will see how far you go along that path. I was pleading with User:Yidisheryid to back off harassing all the Judaic editors and try to pick on some others (since he is so good at figuring out people, I suggest he find the antisemites as that would be performing a social service), I honestly don't care which, but he seems to fight the Jewish editors exclusively, don't you think that stinks? Well, I guess you think you have to defend him, because hey, you might even be him as a sockpuppeteer, who the heck knows since both of you are up to the same antics. And no, I do not think or say that all criticism of Israel, or of Aish HaTorah is called "antisemitism" (although very often some of it sure looks and sounds like it) because in fact like all balanced editors I have made many criticisms of Israel, Orthodoxy, Haredim and I have dealt with Jewish Messianic topics fairly, even improved them with edits, over the years, and my record speaks for itself. Jews for Jesus is not "antisemitic" how dumb is that, it's just a well-financed Christian missionary organization out to snatch any Jews it can lay its hands on away and make them into Christians, as an analogy, it's like converting fodder into dung. Check it out. What are you doing yourself besides piping up and asking questions, go write some good articles. I support WP:NPOV more than anyone, what do you know about it that you're getting so hysterical here? But, to repeat, I do not support antisemitism, and I am proud of the fact that I stood up to Jew-haters and Israel-bashers on Wikipedia as I would anywhere and as I would hope any just person, let alone any normal Jew, would be too. I am not giving Adolf Hitler's admirers a free pass on Wikipedia or anywhere else and neither should you because that would reveal a fatal POV on your part. Adiós and Shabbat Shalom. IZAK 10:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * whenever Izak is corenerd he comes in with this long bombing diatribes. fact is Izak has a mailing list where he calls on other Jews to vote their Jewishness in wikipedia, thats wrong. fact is Izak was blocked for ten days for doing this. fact is he still harasses other users with personal attacks, look in the privies notes here above how he ridicules my writing and dares to threaten me to ship out, fact is he will continue doing it when he thinks its his calling as he explicitly said above. i love izak, i respect him, and i will continue to notify new users thet he may harass them in my view, they should not take it to heart, we need izak's knowledge and capability and above all his vigilance on Jewish subjects in our project, but we also need a good balance to render unefective his personal outbursts. i am happy User:Basejumper2 saw first hand that i am not assuming bad faith now he knows how to handle him. and hopeful he may get from izak what he needs, plain and simple to follow guidelines, and source his articles with third party reliable independent sources. good shabes my beloved holy rabbi izak i am truly yours.--יודל 12:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Umm Yidisheryid: As usual you mix things up and say things that are not true. I was not blocked for "Emailing" anyone, so you make it obvious that you make up stories, twist the truth, will tell lies, and just don't even know or understand the circumstances. If you don't know the case why do you state a lie? It just proves that you don't know what you are talking about, and enjoy getting back at other users who stand up to your harassments and sheer wasting of everybody's time, by twisting events to suit yourself and just making a mockery of plain truth. And how weird that you falsely accuse me of "harassment" of "new users" when I am someone who has spent hours volunteering to welcome and help new users and as a serious editor and contributor to articles and unlike you I do not get involved in the personal lives and habits of others as you openly admit to doing here when you have the sheer chutzpah to openly say that you will violate Harassment me and if you do not get what that is here is the official version: "Wikistalking refers to the act of following an editor to another article to continue disruption. The term "wiki-stalking" has been coined to describe following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor...The important part is the disruption - disruption is considered harmful. Wikistalking is the act of following another user around in order to harass them" -- very serious indeed and you admit here that you will do that to me like a coward without giving me the right to respond to any false accusations you plan on making about me. It is you who is Emailing many users and violating WP:LIBEL as well as the serious sin of Lashon hara. It is a disgrace, a shande, pure and simple. Shame on you! IZAK 05:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * i am not wiki-stalking, i am not spreading loshen hara, i feel it is my duty to calm new users that u have accused of trolling and harassed of sockpupetry, or any other personal accusations and negativity you hurled at them, since i was one of your victims, i feel that i can share my experience with others so they don't fall and answer u back like i did stupidly. i respectfully say openly that it is a hundred percent true that u had an email group list to call Jewish users to vote their Jewishness on afd's, so nobody should be surprised that suddenly users who have no contribution jump in on the discussion to gang up with simple words per nom Izak and so fourth, i have the evidence if somebody wants it in my inbox. i only wish izak good, i tried to calm him in private email, he is evidently a good intentioned user with allot of time to waste, i feel he understands me very good, i hope my words will help him get along together with those new users at it did now to User:Basejumper2  after i posted a personal encouragement since he did not have an email, and right away Izak jumped like a pit bull and accused us of being a sockpupet, but i did not answer back like a bitten animal i kept my cool because i know now who izak is. I say it all the time; i see in izak the most vigilant Jewish wikipedian that i do respect and love with all my heart. my help is out of deep caring and cherishing of our collaboration, if new users will learn to ignore izak's personal outbursts we will have a better wikipedia.--יודל 13:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)