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AfC notification: Draft:PubNub has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:PubNub. Thanks! Oo7565 (talk) 09:47, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub (October 14)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub (October 28)
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LaMona (talk) 04:14, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub (November 14)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub (December 3)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Timtrent was:

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Fiddle  Faddle  19:42, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question
Hello, Yigal59! I'm Timtrent. I have replied to your question about a submission at the WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk. Fiddle  Faddle  22:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question
Hello, Yigal59! I'm Yigal59. I have replied to your question about a submission at the WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk. Yigal59 (talk) 22:15, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Apologizes, I overlooked the comments, and only saw the initial standard decline.

Thanks, will get to work on improving according to your comments.


 * The draft was enough to show me that you have a WP:COI, which is fine before acceptance as an article. It is why we are so careful to lead folk to create the acceptable article. After acceptance, though, you need to stand well back and edit this article only at arm's length.
 * I'm sorry prior reviewers didn't guide you well enough. IT;ls th luck of the draw I'm afraid. You have done a lot of work that was not wasted, exactly, but not of benefit to the article. To PubNub the list of things you have unearthed is valuable, just not to the article.
 * We only need to have you prove the org is notable. We do not need to know how glorious it is. The objective is to get a succinct and viable article accepted.
 * As a webmaster you will know this does you no good in SERP, we use rel="nofollow", so the only benefit is increased physical traffic
 * Take this step by step, and feel free to ask me on my talk page if you have questions. I try not to re-review drafts, but I am happy to give advice. Fiddle   Faddle  22:26, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Already looking better. Now, I'm sure you are looking at that list of folk, and other similar lists. Do they add value? Remember, notability cannot be inherited by anything from anything else. There is a discussion somewhere here about that but I cannot find it
 * Lose anything that a reasonable person would find inhibits their ability to read it. Fiddle   Faddle  23:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You also need to check for 'placed' PR pieces, press releases and regurgitated PR. They are the things that look good in the folder in the foyer, but fail in an article. They affect it negatively. If in doubt, cut it out. It's not lost. It;s in the history, and is easy to retrieve. Fiddle   Faddle  23:29, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Beware the further reading section. My opinion is that it will hinder acceptance. Now I am only one reviewer, and we are all equal, but I think I can judge most of the other folks' opinions, and I think it will prejudice their reviews. My feeling is to set it aside. It doesn't really add any value. Fiddle   Faddle  23:46, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * An example of a useless reference is http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/25/idUS108604+25-Sep-2012+MW20120925#SGPrTupTu7PXLTh3.97 - yes it might be acceptable under WP:SELFPUB or WP:PRIMARY if it were the sole press release, but you have more than you can shake a stick at. They say to us "ADVERT" in bright flashing red neon. How did I find that? Easy. Random click, second try.
 * Also beware any interview with the principals, those may verify facts, but cannot ever verify notability. The are primary sources because they are from the mouths of the principals.
 * Lots to learn, isn't there? Who knew? Fiddle   Faddle  23:51, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Got your message on my talk page. Is past midnight where I am, so I'm not a lot more use to you in your day today, but there is no deadline.

To see if PubNub passes WP:CORP we need to find the gems hidden in the forest. We can only do that with excellence of referencing. We don;t even need wonderful prose, it just has to be readable. I have no clue if it passes or not right now because the welter of remaining references confuses me. SO let me set you an intellectual task that involves no typing.

Look hard at the draft as if you have no knowledge of your employer. Pretend they are someone else. Assess by simple look and feel whether you would read the article to find out who they are.

That has nothing to do with notability, it has to do with whether it invites you in. If it passes that test (I think you know my answer to that by my having asked the question) look at the facts asserted in it. Each may be important to the corp itself, but does the presence of that fact move the article towards passing WP:CORP. If it does, keep it. If not, lose it. If it adds no value it is just fluff and clutter, and you want none of that.

Look, too, at the reference that is used for each fact. Is it one that passes WP:42. Some of them are clear passes, many are not. If the reference fails you have two choices. Either you replace the reference, or you lose the fact. If a reference can be used in two places you can do that. Read Reflist and you will find out how.

What you are aiming for (this is a hint) is a streamlined version of what I am sure you think is a streamlined version that is there at present. The best advice I have is to cut the material ruthlessly.

Now, if you have been given a corporate instruction to "put this material in come hell or high water"then you are in a thankless position of lose/lose. Creating a page on the boss's say so is an unhappy career move. She show the boss this conversation, and let them know that Wikipedia will always prevail, simply because we care only about article quality. We don't care whether the A B Corporation has an article or not. And, even if something arrives as an article, we nuke PR pieces on sight. I'm heading for sleep right now, but I'm happy to pick this up tomorrow, if you like.

For heavens sake don't submit it in the current state, it will just be rejected again. I want you to stand a great chance at the next review. Fiddle  Faddle  00:16, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


 * My friend, instant gratification often leads to disappointment and cognitive dissonance. I suggest you edit the draft and take the banner that submits it for review that you just added off. It's only advice, and you are free to reject it, of course you are, but I will give you a written guarantee that it will be rejected by someone else. There remains a lot of work to be done. Look up: ^^^^^^^^^^^ Fiddle   Faddle  00:23, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:PubNub has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:PubNub. Thanks! Fiddle  Faddle  00:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub (December 4)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Timtrent was:

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Fiddle  Faddle  09:36, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: PubNub has been accepted
 PubNub, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. . Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! Fiddle  Faddle  00:05, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
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 * Now, be its father, not its mother. This is not the time to wrap it in warm towels and protect it from harm. This is the time to watch it learn to ride its bike, and be happy for the grazed knees. Watch it wth pride, not with possessiveness. It's a son, not a daughter and you are a father, not a mother! Fiddle   Faddle  00:08, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * By the way,I suspect strongly that others will strip some of the product section out. Close your eyes to that. It is not your article any more. See WP:OWN, which is very important. Fiddle   Faddle  00:10, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Just to prove you can ...
Not to me, but to yourself, find a topic we have not got in an area that interests you, and create it. Maybe a man or woman you admire on whom we do not have an article, but who passes WP:BIO. Have a look at Keith White (yachtsman) which I created in a couple of hours after meeting him and wanting to find out more about him. This is an absorbing hobby.

One thing I know for sure. I spent my working life in sales and marketing for US IT companies, including Wang laboratories and Gartner. I learnt a lot about writing marketing copy and web site copy by learning how to write neutral and well researched copy for Wikipedia. Do this well and your business writing will improve beyond measure. Fiddle  Faddle  00:14, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hi DPL bot

Thanks for bringing to my attention that I added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Si, it was a typo and oversight on my behalf which I went ahead and fixed.

Thanks again for taking the time to bring this to my attention.

Yigal59 (talk) 14:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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