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please see this aticle Chaim Walkin and rate it's importance if you feel so. --Korach (talk) 11:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Would you please review these articles?
Could you have a look at these articles and their talk?


 * Jewish reactions to intelligent design
 * Jewish opposition to evolution

I feel the articles are extremely well sourced and balanced. I'd like somebody else to remove the tags. Please look at my last versions, because I have run up against somebody from the evolution/creation universe who wants to pick a fight. --Metzenberg 03:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

-- I don't know enough on the subjects to do any editing. aren't those 2 articles the same thing ? yisraeldov 11:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Italiavivi's falsified report
I am concerned that you are a sockpuppet of User:Yisraelasper, given your contributions begin immediately after Yisraelasper's contributions cease. You have started trying to censor information on Mehadrin bus lines, which was Yisraelasper's only cause on Wikipedia. I am making note of this now in case I file a Suspected Sockpuppet Report later on. Italiavivi 01:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have decided to get the report done and out of the way. It is available here.  If you are not Yisraelasper, I apologize in advance. Italiavivi 02:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The case was closed, so you don't have to worry about it. Od Mishehu 08:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The case was closed on grounds that he has not used these accounts at the same time. It specifically avoided whether or not both accounts are run by the same person. Italiavivi 13:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The two accounts were in full and independent operation since before the Miriam Shear conflict even started. Thus the accusation based as it is on Yisraeldov being a replacement for Yisraelasper is groundless. Yisraelasper

The Mehadrin bus line was not my cause. You are making canards. The Miriam Shear story I contributed to but it also was not my only one on Wikipedia. Also you continually censored out what I added on the Miriam Shear story. I have no account other one. Worry about your own cases of being blocked and condemned by people rather than starting up again with me. I am not identical with any other user other than myselfself. It so happens my full name includes the name Dov as my second name but I have no other Wikipedia account other than Yisraelasper. If you continue to make trouble I will urge you be banned again as you hinder rather than help. Yisraelasper

Italiavivi I contributed to more than just one article. You claim above that I was a one agenda user and yet you fail to say that my last post on May 2 was on something else a topic I returned to yet. I posted on May 2 "Talk:Extrasolar moon (The Petition no longer exists)."

I am not identical to Yisraeldov. I also don't live in Israel. I don't have an agenda for separate bus seating. I don't feel there is a need for separate bus seating. The Miriam Shear dispute has been over for months. You kept on though reposting warnings on my user page including on June 12 the date of your posting above after not posting on my site for at least over a month if not longer. No one asked you to. I am going to complain about this attack on me to Wikipedia to have this page removed or otherwise have you banned. What kind of a system is this where the evidence is not reviewed? Anyone with an agenda like Italiavivi can defame someone and that someone is not informed of the charges to be able to make a defense?User:Yisraelasper

Italiavivi I didn't know until now that there was an Egged article. You just make accusations and this you submit as evidence! Yisraelasper

Italiavivi you say that Yisraeldov started contributing in 2007? He was around in June 2006* and I've seen now that the first of his many contributions as far back as I was able to see started in July 2006**. All this was before even the Miriam Shear controversy. How could he be sock puppet for what wasn't yet?

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Your view of RZ is verry limited. Yes there is a MO comunity in Israel, and yes most of them tend to be RZ, but those are not the only or even the majority of Religious Zionists here. --yisraeldov 19:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)" Yisraelasper
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Modern_Orthodox_Judaism

You were supposed to notify me of the charge "Notify the suspected puppetmaster." Instead you just reposted on June 12th 2007 old Miriam Shear article warnings though no one asked you too. Yisraelasper

Italiavivi's falsified evidence
"Report submission by Italiavivi 02:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Evidence User:Yisraelasper was a single-purpose account who blanked, page-moved, and deleted information pertaining to Miriam Shear and Egged Bus Cooperative's Mehadrin (gender-segregated) bus routes in Israel. Yisraelasper's contributions cease altogether on May 2, 2007 [1] (after trying repeatedly to delete vandalism warnings from his User_talk page"

My contributions started on science so I did not have a single purposed account. If anything my single purpose has been about science and the Miriam Shear issue was a distraction. I removed biased language and made it clear that there were allegations. Italivivi deleted information that I posted. Italivivi did it and added biased phrasesology but when he did it he didn't call it bias. Any information deleted assuming I did delete it would have only been after Italivivi deleted my corrections on that information. Also deletion in and of itself doesn't mean you are eliminating information. There are controversies about whether something is true. The page move I did as a last resort and did not realize that I had done anything objectionable assuming I did. I had been unaware about there being an Egged Bus article. Right now I do not know what it says so I could not have contributed to it.

"[2]) and Yisraeldov's contributions begin a month later"

Wrong Yisraeldov's contributions I now see from his home page stated in June 2006 which was even before the Miriam Shear incident.

"[3]. Yisraeldov has since appeared at Egged Bus Cooperative objecting to the section on Egged's gender-segregated bus lines and defending Chareidi support for gender-segregated lines. Italiavivi 02:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)"

Assuming that's true, fine. I don't feel the need for seperate seating. I don't know what Yisraeldov's opinion on it is. I never read it. I never knew there was a person called Yisraeldov. I don't know his email address. My Hebrew name is (Yisrael) (Dov) (Shmuel). No one has called me Yisrael Dov. They can but it hasn't been done yet.

A simple checking into the facts could have been done. Italivivi falsified the evidence and on his Userpage he took Yisraeldov's protest and titled it as User:Yisraelasper and User:Yisraeldov. This is seen from the history section. Where Yisraeldov's original posting on Italivivi's page is I don't know.User:Yisraelasper

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Yisrael - The Satmar Rebbe would be even more controversial than Schneerson. The sect is not as well known in more secular Jewish circles for one thing. Secondly, the anti-Israel bent of the Satmars is more likely to result in vandalmism on the page I suspect than the Messianic overtones around Schneerson. Notabilility really needs to be considered from the bigger picture, and the purely Orthodox names are not well known outside of Orthodox Judaism. Also, the statement that Orthodox Judaism is the most influential will be considered by some to be controversial in and of itself. For example, you will find that there is not even consensus in considering whether or not a person is Jewish based on the mother's religion, despite the fact that Conservative and Orthodox Judaism require that. Many argue that if you consider yourself a Jew, you are a Jew, if at least one of your parents is Jewish. People who are of that ilk would consider the ideas, interpretations and opinions of any Orthodox Jew nearly irrelevant. I am not arguing that to be the case, but just pointing out the logic. Barring using a devout Jew that is famous for something other than being a thought leader in Orthodox Judaism, Schneerson is really the only reasonable choice that I can think of. Sposer (talk) 21:33, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * But the Jewish character of all other "movements" is defined by orthodoxy, they are all break aways. Things like kashrus are almost entirely governed by orthodoxy, the largest kosher supervision in the world is the Orthodox Union in america.
 * The Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist movements would not agree with the statement regarding Jewish character. The Reform movement is not particularly concerned with Kashrus. Your statement is how Orthodox Judaism sees it. It is not how the other movements see it. The idea of "breaking away" really is not correct either. There have always been non-observant and less observant Jews. The difference is that in modern times, like-minded groups coalesced and created movements. This is because it matches their belief system, and not as a break away from Orthodox Judaism. They are all equally relevant and important parts of Judaism in my mind (even if I do not agree with all of them). They add to the discussion and cannot and should not be defined in terms of the Orthodox movement's interpretation of them.Sposer (talk) 21:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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