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 * Thank You! OK, I will change the text using the information from the mentioned sourses, but changing the sentences. Ykvach 20:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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 * Thank You! Sorry, I really used the text from the mentioned site. Now I have changed the information in the article. I think it should be OK, please check it... -- Ykvach 17:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It is OK now. Please, respect Wikipedia rules, your user talk page is full of copyvio warnings. Thanks for your understanding. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:46, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Moving fish related articles
Hi, can you please add reasoning to the relevant talk pages for moving articles to use the fish's common names, as per WikiProject Fishes guidelines? Kat (talk) 11:43, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi! Thank You for the message! At this time I have no idea what should be necessary to add. The guidelines look very logical. But if I will have any idea, I will add it! Yours --Ykvach (talk) 13:08, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, maybe some reference supporting the common name as being very common or no other ones being used? To be honest, I'm not sure what would qualify either, unless there really are multiple common names being used for one species, but that would work to support not moving the article. I think even a "moved in accordance with WikiProject Fishes guidelines" might be better than nothing. Kat (talk) 13:36, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sometime it is difficult to find the original reference to common name. But, we can use the rule, which is accepted by scientific journals, to use the vernacular names according to FishBase, www.fishbase.org (or any mirror). If the FishBase has no data about the verancular name of the fish, please use the scientific name, or add the reference (because in some cases the FishBase has not the full data about some species!). Would it be OK to add as a rule for Wiki? --Ykvach (talk) 13:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, whatever is currently used in scientific journals works well. Actually, FishBase uses a lot of uncommon names as common names, especially for the aquarium fish (I am a fish keeper and FishBase is my favourite species reference, so I use it often). There was a discussion about this in the WikiPriject Fishes archive. This is one of the reasons I personally support use of scientific names for species pages: common names are different in various parts of the world and change over short periods of time, while scientific names are the same everywhere. Kat (talk) 14:46, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You said below that FishBase uses the common names used in scientific papers, if this is the case, then I have to go back on what I said previously because many of these names are only common for a very small number of people! Kat (talk) 13:15, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, scientific papers uses the names from FishBase. Ykvach (talk) 15:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Regardless, to me this means that the common names used in scientific papers are not suitable as they are not actually common, as the names on FishBase (in my experience of tropical aquarium fish) are often not commonly used. Kat (talk) 06:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

You recently moved Scorpaena papillosa to Red rock cod. There are nearly a dozen other common names for this fish. You also moved Red scorpionfish. This species has a very wide distribution, and so likely has other common names.

I much prefer the scientific name for the reason KittyKat states. If you have numerous sources showing a certain common name is predominantly used, fine. Otherwise, please avoid such moves. I intend on changing the above two back. Thank you for your understanding. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hallo! I have moved these articles about scorpionfishes to vernaculare names according the rules of Wiki. As mentioned: Use the common name for any species that satisfies at least one of the following criteria: 1(i) The species has a single common name that is widely used and never used for any other species. While the species in question may have additional common names, those names are rarely used. Example: Greenland halibut. FishBase uses one vernacular name, which is most commonly used in scientific literature. Actually, in ichthiological scientific publication one of the rule is to use the vernacular and scientific names of fishes according to FishBase. My opionion is in the mentioned cases better to use vernacular names. --Ykvach (talk) 07:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello. I see. According to the rules of Wiki, you shouldn't have moved them in the first place. The reason is that Scorpaena cardinalis and Pseudophycis bachus are also called the red rock cod. Plus, Eastern Red Scorpionfish, is another name for Scorpaena cardinalis. Also, Scorpaena notata is also regionally called red scorpionfish. Actually, I would guess that lots of species are called red scorpionfish. So, I really think renaming such articles to red rock cod and Red Scorpionfish will cause confusion. Are you confused now? I am. Scientific names avoid all that. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:47, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hallo Anna! Yes, I agree with you in the case of Scorpaena papillosa. This species has a lot of English names, and the name used in FishBase, red rock cod, also used for the other scorpionfishes. Scorpaena papillosa lives in Australia, I have never seen it, and I cannot discuss about what name is most common for this species. But I disagree about Scorpaena scrofa. This species is common in European waters, and good known as Red scorpionfish. Another name, Large-scaled scorpion fish, I found in Wiki for the first time. Now in FishBase I have found the other several vernacular names, such as Orange scorpionfish, which are probably used for this species somewhere. But I have never met it. Red scorpionfish is really main vernacular name of this species, also used in FAO documentation. Therefore I would like to use it as the article title. In the discussion on the page of WikiProject I used only Scorpaena scrofa. --Ykvach (talk) 14:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello my friend. I must say that I don't quite understand why you don't like the scientific names? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, You didnot understand me... I have nothing against the scientific names. It must be used in the cases where it is necessary. But common names are more useful for many of people. If the scientific name is adequate, it must be used. Actually, this is agree with the rules of Wiki, to use the comon name for the titles of articles. Also I would like to say, that scientific names are not very "stable". There are a lot of taxonomic revisions with the further name changes, which make confused even scientists. And I am trying to put all known scientific synonyms in the articles about fishes. And sometime it is very complecated. In this view vernacular names are more stable, then scientific. If someone called the species Red scorpionfish, it will be Red scorpionfish everytime, despite it was called Scorpaena barbata, S. barbata, S. lutea, S. natalensis, Scorpaenopsis natalensis, Sebastapistes scorfa. And despite, someone will probable describe it with any new scientific name, it will be Red scorpionfish! Ykvach (talk) 14:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm so sorry. I'm confused again.


 * Please give me the link to your quoted guideline: "...1(i) The species has a single common name that is widely used and never used for any other species. While the species in question may have additional common names, those names are rarely used. Example: Greenland halibut...." I can't find it. I can find:


 * Don't use common names when it isn't clear what the name refers to. The name sardine is used for many different species of small oily fishes; the only appropriate thing to do is to write an article describing the attributes the species have in common under that name.


 * Please tell me which species red scorpionfish is? I see at least two species called that. Are you saying we should pick one, and make a disambiguation page for the other(s)? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:05, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hallo! This is a link: guidelines. Someone posted the FishBase link to another species, named Red scorpionfish. Probably, we can make the disambination page, such as in case of Sardine, where to describe all Red scorpionfishes, also all Red rock cod. At this time we could wait for another ideas in WikiProject Fish page. Ykvach (talk) 15:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. Thanks for the link. Strange place for guidelines. According to the section "Article titles", it's not really about primary sources saying what name is common. If various sources show the same name for different species, then the page ought not be moved, and a dab page/hatnote should be considered. A google search should determine which are appropriate candidates. I looked at your other page moves, and they seem fine.


 * By the way, how does http://www.marinespecies.org/ compare to fishbase? Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * According to the WoRMS... It have much more mistakes, then FishBase (this one also has mistakes). I can say it as ichthyologist and found some mistakes related to my work. Another database related to marine life is SeaLife (about marine invertebrates), which is new, but useful. Ykvach (talk) 17:39, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not quite sure what you mean? Which is more complete? Which has more mistakes? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:41, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * FishBase is more complete. Ykvach (talk) 05:10, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Hey Ykvach, I'm posting this message on your talk page because I noticed that you've recently created the new article Tuzly's Lagoon National Park--However, I think the article seems to contain a few errors: the article does not contain in-line citations, and so doesn't follow Wikipedia style guidelines. It would be great if you could also clean-up the related article Kumbrabow State Forest.

Kind regards and happy editing! Jipinghe (talk) 04:45, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank You for the message! All the information in this article is taken from the Decree of the President of Ukraine No 1, 2010 (see "Source"). Because there ia only one source, I donot think it needs to be in-line cited. In any case, this article needs to be complete. I have forgotten to mention it as Stub... --Ykvach (talk) 06:50, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Clownfish
Um... why have you moved Clownfish to Amphiprioninae, and was there a discussion before you made this rather radical move? --Epipelagic (talk) 08:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hallo! Clownfish is usually used for the genus Amphiprion, but the subfamily consists also the genus Premnas, Maroon clownfish. I laso made a lot of changes in interwikis, because the page Amphiprioninae had a lot of mistakes in interwiki, bacause it was named as Clownfish and this names was linked to the genus in many cases. Ykvach (talk) 17:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Epipelagic, I can confirm that "clownfish" is used as a common name for the genus Amphiprion and the genus Premnas with regards to home aquaria. Amphiprioninae also has a better information about clownfish than Amphiprion, which contains only a list of species that is already contained on Amphiprioninae. Ykvach, if you start a discussion on this subject to make sure the move stays, please let me know as I support it. Kat (talk) 09:05, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hallo friends! I think, it is nevermind how to call the articles, but we might to make two defferent articles: about Amphiprioninae and Amphiprion as genus. Last one might describe the main characteristics of the genus. I just wanted to make it as stub to describe it later. If you think Clownfish is better for Amphiprioninae, OK, let it be. But in this case I donot know how to call Amphiprion. The genus Premnas consists of only one species, Maroon clownfish, so the name is clear. Please make changes according your ideas, I will be in expedition for several weeks and cannot discuss, sorry. Thank You! --Ykvach (talk) 11:48, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I would call each of these by scientific name, then redirect clownfish to Amphiprioninae or create a clownfish disambiguation page and point clownfish to that. Kat (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I vote for Disambination page! Thank You, Kat! Ykvach (talk) 14:28, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You should start a discussion on the clownfish talk page :) Kat (talk) 13:35, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki-order
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 * OK! I agree with You, Thank You! I will discuss it! --Ykvach (talk) 21:40, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

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 * Thank You! Sorry for Mya! It was my mistake :) I will participate in the project. I have already made some corrections in the pages about Mytilids. The pages about Mytilus, Mytilidae, Mytiloida, Mussels, had a lot of mistakes in interwiki... --Ykvach (talk) 16:31, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool! Go to the project page and add yourself to the list.  Welcome aboard!!!  There is a lot of work to be done as the Bivalvia has not been touched much for years.  We have got the higher level taxonomy up to date with the World Register of Marine Species and current literature, but below Order everything needs looked at.Shellnut (talk) 20:30, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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Parablennius
Hallo! I'm sorry, all the pics of this species I have are already uploaded on Commons. I agree with your edit, the pic now is better! Regards--Etrusko25 (talk) 13:35, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank You! But I think the previous version was also good. Could you, please, upload both versions? --Ykvach (talk) 13:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thank You! Yes, it's correct. --Ykvach (talk) 19:18, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

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This is a seriously impressive list! Well done. How long did it take you to make it? Andrew327 16:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hallo! Thank you! But, to be true, I have taken the list from the German wiki. But it consists a lot of mistakes, so I have corrected some of them. Now I plan to finish this work, to correct all the mistakes and present the list as a table (same as the List of fish of the Black Sea, which is really good done). So, now it is just a draft... but useful draft. Best wishes. --Yuriy Kvach (talk) 17:03, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Still, impressive work and a good contribution to the project. Andrew327 17:10, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank You, Andrew! I have started the correction in my page: User:Ykvach/List of fish of the North Sea. It will be really good, You'll see. --Yuriy Kvach (talk) 17:12, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Would you be interested to help me on this project? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map

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 * I am not sure I can help you, because I am not an economist, and understand in economy very bad... Sorry! --Yuriy Kvach (talk) 06:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Odessa Museum of Regional History
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 * Thank You! Probably the correct title might be the Museum of the Regional History of Odessa. What do you think? --Yuriy Kvach (talk) 18:48, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Yes, that might also be acceptable, but it's not quite as idiomatic as "Odessa Museum of Regional History". The ambiguity in that formulation would be whether "of Odessa" referred to its location or the region the history attaches to: the first version elegantly allows the confusion to be elided in a way that the English reader would understand without needing to think about it: that the museum is in Odessa (from word ordering) and that the region in question was the region containing Odessa. -- The Anome (talk) 01:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank You for your consultation! I will leave in the presented form. --Yuriy Kvach (talk) 09:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! And thank you for all your contributions. -- The Anome (talk) 19:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * I do not understand what edits do you mean! I could provide any link.--Yuriy Kvach (talk) 09:43, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Next time, please try to minimize the reaction time. May be if you have asked my within a week, I could provide a link.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:45, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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Disruptive moves
Would you please stop moving pages on cities on territories not controlled by Ukraine without discussion. Ukraine does not control them, the new names are not locally recognized, and moves are therefore controvercial. These cities juct can not be moved without discussion. If you continue, blocks will be handed out. Thank you for understanding.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:09, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, sorry! Did you organise the discussion anywhere? --Yuriy Kvach (talk) 14:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * No, we had a discussion for non-controversial RM's (and those cities were moved), but not for these ones.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Since you do not seem to get it, I opened a topic about you at ANI: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. You are welcome to defend your behaviour there.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:18, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Sviatoshyn, St Nicholas church
Чи не могли Ви бути так ласкаві допомогти з Talk:Sviatoshyn питанням.

TimeWaitsForNobody (talk) 22:53, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Вітаю! Мабуть ні, я не знаю цієї церкви... --Yuriy Kvach (talk) 06:23, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Fauna of Ukraine, 8(3)
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Change of Dnipro(petrovsk) article name
Hi, please place a comment in support of the move Dnipropetrovsk to Dnipro at Talk:Dnipropetrovsk if you support it. Ales sandro (talk) 15:52, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion tagging
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Velyka Mykhailivka Raion


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LPR/DPR localities
Please do not move anything. The consensus prior to February was to keep old names of thos which were not controlled by the central government. Whereas it will obviously will need to be re-evaluated once the war is over and the situation has stabilized, it does not make sense to start a new discussion now. Ymblanter (talk) 14:35, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I have ceased! --Yuriy Kvach (talk) 14:37, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Tnx. Ymblanter (talk) 14:39, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Glad to see...
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Categories
Hello, Ykvach,

I've noticed you are doing a lot of recategorization of towns in the Ukraise so I thought I'd check in with you about this. If you could tell me why some of these towns went from urban to rural classification, that would be helpful. Thank you very much for your cooperation. Liz Read! Talk! 17:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello! The towns in Ukraine had official name "urban-type settlement" (from the Soviet times). But now they have got the name selyshche, which means 'rural settlement', see Populated_places_in_Ukraine. Now we are providing the necessary changes in the Ukrainian wiki, but I have started the change it also in the English one --Yuriy Kvach (talk) 17:25, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed, urban-type settlement were deprecated in Ukraine in January, we are now doing the changed reflecting this. Ymblanter (talk) 21:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Donetsk and Luhansk localities
I am sorry to say this, but if you keep move-warring I will have to ask for a topic ban for you. All these moves are controversial and have to go through a RM. Please move them back and open individual RMs (ideally not all at once so that they could get sufficient attention). Ymblanter (talk) 09:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, sorry, I have move it back! --Yuriy Kvach (talk) 10:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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Renaming question
Hello Ykvach, and I hope you are well 🙂 I was curious about why you decided to rename the page Makarivka, Volnovakha Raion to Makarivka, Volnovakha Raion, Donetsk Oblast? Since there are no other Volnovakha Raions in Ukraine, I was wondering why you would decide to change the page name to a longer title when other Ukrainian villages are similarly disambiguated with just the Raion. Could I possibly change the name back? I think shorter titles just read better whenever possible. You didn't leave a reason for the change and I wanted to know if there was some policy reason I didn't know about. Cheers!  Johnson  524  02:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * It is written in WP:UAPLACE, which, even though it does not have official status, has always been followed by all parties. Ymblanter (talk) 05:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)