User talk:Yngvarr/Archive 1

Noticed you're a bit down...
Can't find some award or somesuch that'll say "you're doing alright, don't let the stresses of Wikipedia get to you. You have friends!" but I'll tell you that you're doing great and that I'm much more in need of speedy deletion than yourself! Get yourself back up, get rid of the fug and keep doing what you do best. -- treelo talk 23:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the kind words. In any event, not to get the threads out of order, I've sent those two articles (above) to AFD. Yng  varr  23:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

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Camp Lazlo
Remember how User:Yngvarr/Working was intended to consiolidate most of the show's info and enabled us to remove the minors and location lists? Yeah, that didn't go down so well and those two lists still feel redundant especially now I've nominated the locations (and some place articles) from KND for deletion. What say you, feel the time is right to nominate those? - treelo talk 22:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh yea, I remember that. I think it's time. Also, now that the show is basically over, maybe some other work can be taken care of with the rest of the series. There are still a few outstanding episodes, but that's besides the point. I'll also check out your AFDs on the KND stuff. Yng  varr  23:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your input on the noms, already a snowball issue like you mentioned but really it's a bit stupid just how many pageforks the series has. Anyway, if we're to AfD the locations and minors lists then I'm concerned for the template which is still not much more than a glorified list of anchor links and just about related articles. When all is done, there'll be 3 articles, the main article and the episode and character lists which is fine for the show given it can't expand much further so the template might be useless to some degree. I'd use the deletion of these "deadwood" articles as impetus for a good look and rewrite of the Lazlo articles, you may nominate but I reckon at a snowball result for those noms also. -- treelo talk 17:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I want to wait a little bit on offering these to AfD, maybe until after this Friday (January 4). There is still at least one outstanding episode which Murray delivered, but which hasn't aired. And I caught something out of the corner of my eye this weekend, but I don't know if it'll be a new episode. I'd not worry too much about the template, it can be massaged to fit into things.
 * Also, on an slightly related topic, Murray has been updating his website with a lot of interesting character information. Some of it can be used quite nicely. I don't know if you keep an eye on Rocko's Modern Life (Murray's other work), but User:WhisperToMe has been doing a similar incorporation into those articles. Yng  varr  19:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I'll trust your view on the Lazlo content being the main custodian. I do watch the Rocko article but don't maintain it even though it was one of my favourite shows as a kid and what WhisperToMe's doing is very good. We're doing something similar so I'm happy Joe released this info. -- treelo talk 20:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Indent. These are done. The settings has been deleted, so I've added some minor text to the main article. The minor chars was (unfortunately) redir'ed to the main characters page, and pasted into the bottom. For which I disagree, but it's an admin so I'm not going to bother arguing. I've started to trim it down some degree, starting with the pets and the "others". Once those are reasonable, we'll start in on the mains, removing some of the cruft that crept in over time. It appears that the article is still under semi-protection, too. Yng  varr  00:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd argue with an admin if I thought their choice of handling was incorrect and yeah, I think a straight up deletion would have worked as to me the minors list was filled with absolute non-notables or one-shots, if it wasn't and actually had content worth keeping I'd have merged it in myself. I wouldn't pare down the stuff right at the bottom though as much of it is very much non-notable although someone probably would warn your butt like they did mine, must remember to fill in the summaries when cutting 20Kb of crap from an article. Anyway, I'm not totally surprised the list is still semi-prot'd and probably should stay that way given now there's nowhere for the "pets" and other one-shots to go. Do what you can, when the steely gaze of the over-vigilant has shifted elsewhere I'll dig about and edit a little. -- treelo talk 01:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, that kinda sux that someone warned you on that. I don't know if it would be worth mentioned it to them, and point them to here for discussion, and the AFDs. Either way, it's pretty much uncalled for, sorry about that. Right now, I'm going to retire and see what tomorrow brings. Yng  varr  01:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I would but it was only for not filling in the edit summary field and it's unlikely they'd hear me being one of those whose usually everywhere at one time and probably just reverted and warned like with anyone else. It's troublesome but I don't mind it that much as I still got to make my large edit and hopefully it sticks. You might consider putting some of the chararcters I removed back in but I wouldn't accept them back in unless a good writeup can be done without padding for appearances and one-off personality traits. -- treelo talk 02:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think this is what I'd call a WTF moment. Another bot reverted your edits with a less-than-helpful summary. I think it might just be that the article is semi-PP, and the changes triggered some sort of size difference. I'll try to fiddle with it and see if your edits can be re-incorporated. Yng  varr  10:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It was a semi-prot issue, as the help section for the bot states:
 * "Restricted changes - Either A) the edit was identified as being consensus rejected edits of a banned user or B) the edit was identified as changing too much text at once for a shared IP/very new user on a page that banned users tend to attack. Additionally, it could simply refer to 'page blanking' of any page while the bot is on RC patrol."
 * Apparently I don't edit it enough to make such huge edits and must be very new, damn bots. Just thinking, why rewrite the sections to condense it if the characters weren't actually notable even for the minors list? This whole issue of being reverted twice for cleaning up some admin's sloppy decision to merge an article better suited to being deleted given the amount of pure garbage in there is stupid and making me reckon sometimes Wikipedia might be working against me on some level. Nothing below Miss Mucus is worth keeping so instead I'll leave some comments within the article to direct you as to where to get rid of the insignificant without you getting reverted too. -- treelo talk 14:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Keeping up with the sockpuppeteers
Seems KL is back or at least I reckon it to be. Anyway, keep an eye on User:GregFK360 and puppet User:GregFK2 as shooting them off to WP:AIV didn't get much and would be better listed on WP:SSP instead. I don't do great writeup for potential sockpuppets as you can see so I'm handing it to you as you seem good at getting sockpuppets blocked.

Also, in the ongoing non-issue in the PPG article, the main protagonist User:Marcus2 seems to have a sockpuppet or two. As mentioned before and also here, check it over and add some evidence if possible. A barnstar will be up for grabs if we can get a successful ban of either the IP puppets or the main guy himself for disruption. -- treelo talk 05:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I've submitted a case [] for the second one. As for the Greg socks, that still has me scratching my head. I was actually of the mind that they might be User:Danny_Daniel, but they don't exactly match Danny. They don't really match Komodo Lover, either, but I'm still looking and seeing what I can find. Yng  varr  11:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I reckoned they weren't Danny pretty early on but it had some traits of KL (i.e. talking in very simple English like that of a developmentally challenged child) which has me semi-convinced of them being KL. Eitherway, if there's no contribs from either account then consider it cold as they may end up returning. -- treelo talk 12:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Check user Marcus2
Are you expecting me to respond to this: ? I don't know if I should. 70.101.182.149 (talk) 15:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's totally up to you, I don't really care one way or another. I just posted out of courtesy for everyone involved. Yng  varr  15:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * RFCU flagged up the IP addresses as being used by Marcus2, best to mention it on the sockpuppet case -- treelo talk 14:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I see that you've already posted on the SSP. I guess there's not much we can do now, just wait and see how the SSP case pans out, and what the admins decide. Yng  varr  19:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Question: how is a user able to make a "direct hit" on another user in regards to using another IP, as Blnguyen claims? 70.101.182.149 (talk) 21:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * In this case, what the checkuser is saying is that you and Marcus are the same person, because the IP addresses in question have only been used by Marcus. Beyond that, you'd have to bring it up with the admin in question to figure out what is used to determine the match. I'm not saying if you are, or if you are not, because that's up to you and the admin to figure out where to go from here. Yng  varr  21:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * From what I know of the checkuser tool, it's IP based. If both the IP addresses used by User X and another account be it an anonymous IP user or a registered user are the same then that's a pretty grounded confirmation that they're the same person . Simple enough and fairly infallible, what happens now is probably a ban on all accounts concerned given the policy being broken with some amount of certainty. -- treelo talk 22:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Murray and Camp Lazlo
"I seem to recall reading somewhere with Joe Murray talking about some of the details of Camp Lazlo; specifically how he wanted to present certain details, such as the sky being yellow. I can't find the reference offhand. Wonder if that might ring a bell for you?"

I do not recall such details, but try searching on Google, or e-mail Murray himself and see if he points you to where the info is from. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup, google is your friend. I found it  Yng  varr  19:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay! Do you think that you have enough real-life info to make Lazlo the character into a separate article? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There certainly appears to be quite enough info to justify it. The only possible concern I can think of is that the sources are primary (from Murray), there may be challenge over lack of secondary and/or tertiary sources. Other than that, as far as I can see, it surely satisfies verifiability and notability. Quite a bit of the existing text would need to be removed, much of it is trivial and would probably qualify as WP:OR. Yng  varr  11:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, once I found a review of Camp Lazlo (want third party stuff? Get reviews! Then add reviewer's descriptions of characters) - And I decided to use it as my third party source. See: Lazlo (Camp Lazlo) - I do not watch the show, so if you want to, please decide what is frivolous and what isn't. :) - By the way was nominated for deletion. Check the CFD page. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I like this kid, should give 'em a barnstar or something. I like it but isn't much of the content from primary sources? Seems fair that primary sourcing could be used given it's not exactly overrun with secondary sources beyond a couple of archived reviews. Anyway, the main Lazlo article was redirected because the content before didn't justify it's existence and currently what's there does but not much beyond a stub and if you're going to give Lazlo his article back, people will argue that you may as well give Clam and Raj theirs back also. As for the category deletion, that's fine given it's only a small pool of articles now (and for whatever reason this talkpage). Just my two cents, Yngvarr will know about Lazlo as well as I do but it's his talkpage so... -- treelo talk 02:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As for it being my talkpage, I don't mind if we discuss things like this here. I'd not the "keeper" of the Lazlo (I'd not want to be accused of WP:OWN), so if these kind of discussions are more appropriate elsewhere, that's fine, too.
 * For Lazlo vs. Clam and Raj, I actually was thinking that myself, but it's fairly easy to knock down Clam and Raj. Murray spent a lot of time developing Lazlo, much more than the rest, and he documented much of that development. There's not near enough of the same kind of documentation for Clam and Raj. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yngvarr (talk • contribs) 11:56, January 16, 2008
 * You'd only be accused of WP:OWN if you were being over-zealous and blocking anyone else from trying to change the article at all, that you're talking about it says you're not exactly assuming ownership anymore than WhisperToMe is. Now that some edits have been made to the Lazlo article, I can see why it was redirected and doubt a redirect and merge back into the main article would make a significant difference. Oh, one more thing. Sign. -- treelo talk 17:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I can go either way right now. It is a bit slim, but I do think it can withstand a challenge, if it comes to that. So we'll just have to see where it goes. WhisperToMe has been doing a great job digging up little nuggets of real-world info, it wouldn't surprise me to see some more stuff added. Yng  varr  17:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I added some more content from two reviewers, who uncovered some more traits. See if you can find a way to add material from the actual episodes without veering into OR territory - Perhaps look at what was deleted and see what can be salvaged. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, that CN press release with the interview also contained character bios! Now I can source statements about personalities. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

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Some notes for the above conversation
Just some links to keep in mind:

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/old-brew/review-camp-lazlo-cartoon-network http://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv-reviews/Camp-Lazlo.html http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue428/screen3.html http://family.go.com/entertainment/article-csm-79658-tv-review--camp-lazlo-t/ http://www.genreonline.net/Cartoon_Network_INVADED_CN.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yngvarr (talk • contribs) 07:12, January 16, 2008

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B. Scott AfD comment
Yes, you're right, and I'm sorry. I struck out my comment and added a more appropriate one. This vandalism today is getting to me, I need to relax. --Merovingian (T, C) 22:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Returning guests
Be aware that User:Crips r us, soon to be User:Numbuh 7 or somesuch (Numbuh 7 is already taken),is a known sockpuppet. I've been in talks with Elaich and GlassCobra and we're pretty certain that it's Claymort (or Greg as he likes to be called now) returning to see us again. If you're unaware, he's a long term issue for some editors and has a legacy of being a completely aggressive and attention hungry vandal not to mention that when he does edit correctly, it's pretty crappy. He is probably checking this and may pop along later to state how he's not Claymort but Greg but ignore that as they're the same person and I feel that "Greg" has some mental issues which causes this sort of thing. -- treelo talk 22:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I was not aware of that. Now, I just need a /facepalm emote, cause after Marcus and then Danny recently popping up again, well...  Yng  varr  22:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Totally understandable but hey, that's why I try to stay out of most of the stuff involving vandals! This guy though, I want him put down for good because I have not seen such anger in one person before for no good reason and he's like a cancer so I'd like to cut him and any meatpuppets out. -- treelo talk 22:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, thats a keeper. I wish we could add user contribs to watchlists. I'll try to keep an eye on things. Hope I didn't let a bull loose in the china shop (altho Mythbusters proved that old saw wrong). Yng  varr  23:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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Some info about Rocko awards/nominations
I found a work that discusses awards/nominations, but I have incomplete information: Talk:Rocko%27s_Modern_Life WhisperToMe (talk) 06:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Any luck with Rocko and the almanac?
Did you get any luck with finding what the almanac is describing? WhisperToMe (talk) 04:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Ooops, my apologies. I did find some information, but only thru the OCLC catalogs. It's a Daytime Emmy Award from 1993. Unfortunately, none of my local libraries has the almanac in their holdings. Yng  varr  10:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If we know it is a daytime Emmy award, we can just cite the 1995 almanac since we know what it is saying, right? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not. The almanac has an OCLC listing (an an ISBN, I think?) which should be sufficient for citation purposes. Yng  varr  19:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright - I did so :) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hope you don't mind, but I stuck the ISBN in there, too. Yng  varr  20:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the ISBN. :) WhisperToMe (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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More Rocko-related news articles
Check the talk page - I found some news articles - If you have library access and could get the articles and find more details it would be great! I have schoolwork at the moment so I will not use the city library at the moment. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Editor review/Yngvarr
Hey, I noticed you haven't gotten much in the way of reviews from the review you requested way back in November. I'm trying to clear out some of the backlog there, are you still interested in a review? Or should I work on a different one? Figured I'd ask since it's so old & you may have lost interest or something :-P Peace, delldot on a public computer   talk  04:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, to be honest, I had totally forgotten about it, given the low response I got from it. I would still like to see what others think, so please feel free. Thanks. Yng  varr  10:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Done :-) delldot   talk  07:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the time you took. I've added a few inline comments to some of your questions, if you are interested. Yngvarr (c) 23:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Responded. Will you archive that sucker when you're done with it?  I'm watching it, so I'll see any additional responses.  Peace,  delldot on a public computer   talk  11:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Was going to be something but...
Was going to do a long thing on the newest arbitration case to do with character and episode articles and whatever notability or cruft may be associated but no, it's just me being unhappy with the case putting a halt on a stupid, useless one-shot listing list of incredibly minor characters which was going the way of "Keep" anyway. The arbitration matters to me as it'll affect my ability to crush the articles of crap more for a fanwiki than here and that is all. Can't say much more, one of the guys involved helped us to get rid of the KND and Foster's article bloat so I'm on his side for this. -- treelo talk 00:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So I see that issue is still going on... I followed it for a little while, but it's just more drama, and I ended up removing ANI from my watchlist. That's where I first caught wind of it. Well, in any event, with ArbCom pending, the AFD will be open for a long time. I've added my opinion, for what it's worth. Yng  varr  01:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, still ongoing and this won't do much either as it's more a policy change that's required over that which they got going now as it's achingly unclear on much. I'm expecting a holdout for a while with this deletion sitting there like a broken elevator and can join my everlasting sockpuppetry case. Thanks ArbCom for letting the idiot fans win... again. -- treelo  talk 01:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice, result was 'Keep' for my AfD as "the arguments for keeping were stronger" which kinda points out the major flaw in WP:SPINOUT, think a chunk of an article is cruddy, bringing the remainder down but need to get rid of it? Give it it's own article and it'll survive if the parent is good, irregardless of true article quality! Pah, shows should only have at least 3 articles, main, major character list, episode list and maybe some episode articles if they're particularly important and that's it. No farking about with useless minor villans lists like that one, they just don't exist. Enough griping, time to add a merge tag so I can trim it with respect. -- treelo talk 21:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * My word, that's frustrating. Looking at the arguments for keep, there's no argument behind people saying "keep"! Yngvarr (c) 22:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm blaming the article creator, had they not mentioned the fact it was a space conscious split the article may have very well got a vote of delete. Guess they mistook "take out" to mean "make a new article" instead of the Mafiosi sort. I dunno, the guy who spun the article off just sounded like a complete idiot who was simply pissed at the idea of his precious nonsense article being up for deletion again knowing it was deadwood. No matter, I will get shot of this unsinkable thing which only survived due to a guideline through judicious use of clipping away until it's all gone. -- treelo talk 22:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dreadlocks
I've no idea what happened there - but the right outcome came out afterall. I've got to use "preview" every time. --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Replied here Yngvarr (c) 15:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

River Shiel
Understand your reluctance, but I decided to create River Shiel. MSGJ (talk) 15:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries, that's why I made a comment rather than just creating or declining. I figure it's better to get more eyes if there's any questions or doubts. Yngvarr (c) 15:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. We should do more of that for the less clear-cut cases. MSGJ (talk) 08:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Our Life
If you watch one of TK and Egge's Movie Preview video, they tell you that they're making a film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.149.5.185 (talk) 17:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but can you please refresh my memory for what this is regarding? Yngvarr (c) 17:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

This link here --> TK(film) (talk) 21:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Please review verifiability, which is the policy requiring that sources be verifiability. For information on what is considered reliable sources, you'll want to look at examples. But to simply this: you submitted a single YouTube source for an upcoming movie with no information. Finally, WP:MOVIE explains the basic requirements for a movie to be listed. Yngvarr (c) 21:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Your apology
Hey, no big deal. It's still pretty stubby, but all local places are notable, and one that was in Domesday Book even more so. I mostly wanted to re-write the lede to fit our standard format, which (to me) is always the first step in article creation: "identity what the heck we are writing about!" -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  15:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Need input
User:JSH-alive has recently made a suggestion to make a disambiguation page for the other international variants of Cartoon Network and sister channels. Sadly, I think their implementation of their idea is convoluted and plain dumb so would like you to put your two pence forth as I won't allow such an idea to go ahead in it's current state. Discussion here -- treelo talk 13:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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Proportionator
I added to and made some editing adjustments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.175.154.212 (talk) 17:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Done, altho to be honest, I'm not entirely satisfied with it, and personally would not be surprised it it went to articles for deletion. Yngvarr (c) 18:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

FA-FL drive
 WikiProject Articles for Creation Featured Article Drive WikiProject AFC is holding a one month long featured article drive! The goal of this drive is to fill the empty Category:FA-Class AFC articles category. Good articles are welcomed as well.

Awards to be won range from the AFC barnstar to... well, the AFC barnstar. The drive page is located at WikiProject Articles for creation/Featured Content Drive.

This drive was organized by Nousernamesleft. Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 03:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC).

Just reminding you! Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 01:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:assess redirect
Actually, case does matter. WP:assess doesn't work. (If you don't agree with my idea of pointing it to Template:grading scheme then let's point it to the same target as WP:ASSESS.) 69.140.152.55 (talk) 15:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Must be something odd about the search box, cause the link you gave was redlinked, but when I type into the search box, it works. In any event, I've created the redir. Yngvarr (c) 15:51, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

BAZEOS TOWER
should be rejected unless permission has been obtained. 69.140.152.55 (talk) 15:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, but I felt like I've been monopolizing AFC today, so I was just picking and choosing. I noticed that when it was submitted, and meant to comment on it, but one thing leads to another... Yngvarr (c) 15:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Greymatter
Hi - I've been away for a few days, but I think I've put the required notice on the Greymatter page now, although it seems to be redirecting to a page Grey matter now? Am I doing something wrong? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by The original kiden (talk • contribs) 16:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * There are a few things that need to be considered:


 * First, make sure that you have an e-mail address on your account. If there are concerns about copyright, someone from the Wikipedia Foundation may contact you. You can set that in your Special:Preferences. You may need to enable e-mail from other users, but I am not sure. Since it's the Foundation who may contact you, they can probably get your e-mail address as long as it's in the account profile (even if invisible).
 * Second, you also need to make sure that the band complies with notability, which is at WP:BAND. That is fairly self-explanatory. If the band doesn't meet those requirements, it may be deleted under WP:CSD, or taken up for deletion debate. I won't get in your way, if you choose to proceed, but I am just trying to be helpful.
 * Almost last, but not, you might want to add a GFDL disclaimer on the website. It doesn't need to be in-your-face, but somewhere that can be seen. This point is just a suggestion, something I myself would consider, but I am not sure if it's required, as long as you've granted permission here.
 * Finally, if you're comfortable with those issues, you'll want to revert the redirect, and re-edit the article in question. You can see the history at, and you'd pretty much just want to undo the last entry that is a redirect. That'll take it to the last version, which is the copyright notice, so you'll want to edit it pretty fast before someone else tags or deletes it. Yngvarr (c) 16:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

March 2008
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. You should have told him about WP:MOS first! – i123Pie biocontribs 18:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

steak and BJ
actually my posting on steak and bj day is not a joke and who gives you the power to decline it. It was well researched and well written. if you would have taken ten minutes to track or even verify my references, you would have seen that I am very serious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.117.72 (talk) 19:24, April 10, 2008


 * Fine, submit it again, and someone else can decline it. Yngvarr (c) 23:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I will. your criteria for rejection are invalid. It is a factual event, whether the holiday itself is comedic or not is a debate that could be had, however, the fact that it exists and is a discrete piece of knowledge is not disputable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunseasurf (talk • contribs) 23:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * And it's a debate that already happened. Why are you submitting articles under anonymous AFC when you obviously have an account? Yngvarr (c) 23:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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I am replacing it with the category UPCOMING TELEVISION SERIES, because then we have to same categories..

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Sam Liu
Just a heads up - this one may need to be watched closely. I rejected several Afc requests for this person yesterday (04/15). I left a message on the talk pages of the submitter(s) that this person wasn't notable enough yet. ArcAngel (talk) 18:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note. I was wondering why that particular name sounded familiar! Yngvarr (c) 18:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Note to self
Online Etymology Dictionary and The Word Detective: 

Some interesting hits: http://www.education-world.com/awards/past/2000/r0400-19.shtml http://www.sunchronicle.com/articles/2004/06/26/opinion/opinion5.txt http://ftedit.ny.publicus.com/article/20080213/NEWS/802130331/1031/2006 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E5DE1430F937A25753C1A96F958260 http://www.linguistlist.org/sp/Blogs.html http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2004-02-11-making-whoopee_x.htm

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Barnstar
Acdixon (talk • contribs • count) 14:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Another one? You're doing awesome for yourself sir, if you ever decide to put yourself up for RFA you got yourself a strong support from myself. -- treelo talk 14:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I've been playing with WP:AFC, and those were from there, so I can't really take credit. Still, it's nice to see. I like WP:AFC, cause I find that I'm not getting attached to the articles! As for RFA, meh, I get enough drama in Real Life... Yngvarr (c) 14:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I remember that you'd most likely never want to be an admin so just put it in as a small joke. Anyway, a barnstar is a barnstar and whilst doing nothing work like I do gets you nothing, pratting about in AFC and making a couple of stubs does get you a whole bunch of random barnies. Maybe I'm in the wrong place... -- treelo talk 15:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK for the article you afc'd
A comment in the history for the stereology page at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stereology&action=history

Makes the following allegation by Paddbear "Stop it, Bob."

I would appreciate it if this incorrect allegation were immediately removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.175.154.212 (talk) 19:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Cartoon Network (US)
There was a bit of vandalism that named a real person and made disparaging remarks... I usually like to get rid of things like that so it doesn't appear in the article's history, hence the temporary deletion. ... disco spinster   talk  21:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, I saw your restoration. I must have hit refresh right in the middle of your work, so I deleted my comment once I realized what you were doing! There's been a bit of minor dispute over things, which is why I kinda panicked. Yngvarr (c) 21:15, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I noticed that you redacted your comment, but I just thought I'd fill you in in case you come across a similar situation. ...  disco spinster   talk  00:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Creation timestamp on an article you CSD'ed
Here you go:



... disco spinster   talk  00:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... when I look at the user log, it says:




 * Perhaps the time stamp changes depending on the time zone of the user looking at it. If you brought the page log up it might have shown 19:19 instead of 18:19.  Are you in the central time zone?  ...  disco spinster   talk  00:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Y'know what? I just looked at my Preferences and it had the wrong local time.  I'm in the eastern time zone (-4 offset) but it had me at -5 offset.  So here are the "correct" time stamps:




 * Much better. ...  disco spinster   talk  00:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Never file SSP cases
I have never had much success with sockpuppetry cases, every one I have is often very stale by the time someone gets around to it. Last one I filed didn't even get touched for 10 days or so, aren't these things usually supposed to be actioned on within a few days even with an interested admin being informed? Meh, same as for RFCUs, also incredibly slow and likely to be when action gets taken. Damn you Wikipedia for having such slow methods to combat some vandals when others get action within hours! Either that or Rlvese has taken a dislike towards me and not said anything. treelo talk 23:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, somewhere along the RCFU it even says that they need to be processed fairly fast, otherwise the data will be lost. It is a PITA. I've pretty much removed my activity from most of the admin areas, because it's ludicrous everything that's involved... Yngvarr (c) 00:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The administrative procedures have become slow, blundering behemoths crushed under its own weight. Add to that the red tape, ignoring WP:IGNORE for much of the time and yes, the cabal (as it's pretty much impossible for something community based with a hierarchy which has existed for so long on the internet to not have created one) you end up with problems which drive people like us away from much of the administrative areas. We'd be good but why do it? Still got a pdsychopathic vandal on the loose, articles that shouldn't exist exist even after an AfD (got a CfD now which has no responses on a page filled with responses to other CfDs) and so much else that maybe it's time for my wikibreak again... or something... Uh, what are we talking about? treelo  talk 11:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So I see it finally got resolved, altho it almost feels like the closing admin just "did it". I guess you needed to dangle a carrot or something. Yngvarr (c) 10:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't have to do that though, I can understand Rlevse's reasoning about him not getting involved as he had adopted GEM and couldn't really maintain a neutral ground on it. Though I'm real glad the checkuser paid off and got most of GJ's IPs a one to two year block I'm very annoyed that I had to mention it to get any movement. Hm, mark it down as one of those weird things that goes on here I guess. treelo  talk 11:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, get this. Got to admire the little asslick, bowing out as if he left of his own accord and could use the account again and still holding up the pretense of being some kid caught in the crossfire. Maybe he'll end up like the Legend of G and end up part of "the colective" after talking to GJ, I know Rhode Island is small but it isn't that small. Seriously though, I really don't think indef blocked sockpuppets should be allowed to edit their own talkpages for this reason, allows them a means to spread their disinformation and hate, doubt I could get all the sockpuppet's pages fully protected but worth a shot though it's not really blatant vandalism like abusing the unblock tag and usually don't protect fully unless that's the case. treelo  talk 16:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that's worth a bit of a chuckle. I'd even call that cheeky. But if there was any doubt about GEM, there's probably none now. Any genuinely innocent user accused of SSP, blocked, etc, will usually put up more of a fight or argument. As for the page prot on the talk page, I don't have any diffs, but I do know that, in the past, admins have fully page-protected the talk pages of blocked/socked editors. You might just have to dig thru history of RPP to find a precedent. Addendum: User:WoW is the quintessential example, and that one is fully-PP'ed. Yngvarr (c) 17:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't always fall back to WoW for precedent, he's infamous whilst GJ is merely a mentally unstable/deficient kid with internet access having a psychotic episode/war with someone on a website. Heck, I wouldn't even goto User:Grawp for precendent and he's made his mark well known. GJ isn't worthy of being called a WoW or a Grawp, he's much too small fry for that and knows it. He's a tricky one in that each time he returns he gets a whole new idea which makes up the reasonable doubt I've mentioned before but he's also intensely dumb and multiple personalities whilst cute also make you look a dumbass when they're all clearly the FUCKING SAME PERSON! Ugh, kid needs to get laid or something. To be totally upfront I simply don't care for the retard, I know he's reading so let it be known I'm not paranoid when someone's so damn obvious with their attempts to attack me (for what? If I ever beat someone near to death in real life then they can attack me but not for catching them doing something they shouldn't) they may as well have gone around with User:I'M NOT PART OF THE COLECTIVE OR GREG, REALLY. I'm as emotionally involved with him than I am with any other vandal I've handled in the past and that's a big ol' nothing but procedure. Also, vandals are vandals when they do more than the wiki version of writing "Greg wuz here" on someone's wall otherwise they're just pathetic and should find a new hobby.


 * Back to my thing though, I figured that indef-blocked sockpuppets had their talkpages PP'd as par for procedure. If not, why? A checkuser confirms that a sockpuppet has been operating, gets blocked but the admin doing this doesn't protect any page whatsoever when they really should. They can't appeal so why do that?  treelo  talk 17:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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requesting input
Noticed the ol' Wikiproject page is looking a bit shabby these days, know I'd be against joining if that's how things were. So, because I'm out of good things to do I've decided to go and play around with what we've got even though it means using chunks of layout and procedure common to WP:LGBT. Of course, I'm asking your for input on this as you're the only other regular that seems to be firing on all cylinders. When I say input, I do mean work on it, not just mentioning "that's fine" in passing as I really hate working alone on collaborative things and I know, you wouldn't just say little and move on but I want more ideas and a second pair of eyes on how this should look and work.

Feel free to use the talkpage for the sandboxes and even take code from other project's homearticles you like because what I've got is only framework and would love for anyone to put their two pence in on this as even though we're small fry dealing with small fry subject matter and articles I want for us to at least look like we can run with the big fish if/when we grow. Sandboxes at the new place or at least navigational at the old one. treelo talk 17:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's fine...


 * Just kidding. That's pretty steep, it'll take a little bit of time to digest everything. I'll try to tweak up what I can, and have a few ideas already simmering. Yngvarr (c) 18:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure it's big, covers a lot of ground and I was actually thinking of using WP:VG as the starting point and that's a kingproject of several smaller ones so yeah, could have been a lot bigger. I'll discuss anything further on the sandbox talkpage but I've got doubt about this, what if all this framework and infrastructure building gets unused? I don't want a repeat of the todo list again! Maybe we should attempt a recruitment drive again, the pool seems to have shrunk of recent times but there's got to be a few who give half a damn, hasn't there? I dislike collaborative efforts when it's just two people collaborating in any meaningful way, maybe we should expand what we do to a adult swim project or taskforce, does mean a whole new pool to fish in. Just trying to find a way forward... again. treelo  talk 18:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I see it as catch-22. People see the project with two active members, and decide not to join. More activity, more members. And how to get more members? More activity! This might be a good jump-start, tho. We'll work up the framework a little bit more, put it all in place, and decide how to attract more people. As you know, there is tons of work that can be done by people of varying skills (i.e. I've been wanting to deal with the categories for some time, but never seem to get around it). How do other projects attract more members? And keep the (ahem) undesirables at bay or at least under some sort of control? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yngvarr (talk • contribs) 15:05, June 6, 2008
 * It is a bit, isn't it? I decided to do this because I think it's been a bit neglected given the way it feels like the life has fallen out of the project. We should keep working on the framework further, I really do want to run our own in-project FAC so we can finally say that one of our articles is GA status if only within our small little world, I've mentioned something about that on the sandbox talkpage. There is lots of work to do, just hard putting down what and where isn't it? Member attraction for other projects seems to work on either headhunting the good editors and offering incentives like barnstars for those who generally do good work. If we do want to keep those who will work against the project even with good faith implied like the fanboi element we get as well as the generally illiterate, maybe some form of vetting system might be useful. How exactly you'd implement something like that though is a question for someone who knows more. treelo  talk 19:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

(undent, sigh) Right, where to next with this? treelo talk 00:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Go live? There are some things still outstanding, but I think it's fairly complete enough. Maybe see what people at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council say? Not sure if that's the best place, but the best I could dig up at the moment. Yngvarr (c) 00:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, if you do put it live, I'd suggest archiving the existing talkpage discussions, and add a new section explaining what has happened. Sort of a clean-slate kind of feeling. Yngvarr (c) 00:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Does the WP council even handle things like new if copied infrastructures? Possibly not worth it. As for going live, I might do so in the next day or so but feel free to.. ugh, be bold.. and do it if it seems like the most logical step. If we're archiving the talkpage, start a new archive, archival bot limits them to a workable 40kb and the most recent is neat that. After a rework you could put the current talkpage into archive #4 without being too big. treelo  talk 02:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I got caught up in other things and now it's too late for me to do anything of import. Unless you beat me to it, I'll do it in a day (tomorrow, being Sunday the 8th). Saw you found WP:IGOR. I found it just a few hours ago, myself. Only looked at it for a few minutes, but looks pretty helpful. Yngvarr (c) 03:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright then, I might change it tomorrow (or today, my timezone's UTC+1 so yes, tomorrow as in May 9) and if you get there first then you get there first, taste the glory. Igor is a nice tool, I'm just doing beta-testing so I can suggest things when it's ready for prime time.  treelo  talk 03:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The dark deed you have requested is done, sir. Yngvarr (c) 11:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's ma'am to you, jerkweasel. treelo  talk 12:14, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Tsk tsk, I couldn't resist a Spongebob reference, even tho I don't watch it anymore. But sorry to have offended. Yngvarr (c) 12:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Pfft, you wish! I caught the reference but couldn't rebound it with a counter-reference from Spongebob so there you go. That and many people reckon I'm male. treelo  talk 12:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, all is good. But I didn't catch your reference :( Anyways, on to other things for the moment Yngvarr (c) 12:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

(undent.. merp) FYI, I've created some more shortcut redirects, more at WikiProject Cartoon Network/Alphabet soup navigation and my contribs. Also, there was no reference, not even certain jerkweasel means anything. treelo talk 13:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not worth undenting for again, I think we should probably have some more work done for the project. Everything seems fine, not certain why the Jumpaclass page is still redlinked when the newsletter is at the same point of development but there isn't any movement in any general sense. If you want, we can either discuss here or at WT:TOON, your choice. treelo  talk 17:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I've been pondering this all day, and at the moment and sort of running dry. I started a real basic thing on the Jumpaclass, so feel free to improve it, or even delete it if you disagree with it. Yngvarr (c) 02:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, it'll do for now. I won't work on it alone much as I don't like to work alone so I'll wait until such time you get back upto speed which has been some time coming. treelo  talk 02:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I just did a newsletter type thingy. Since the major issue was the new project, that's pretty much what is covered. See how you like it. Yngvarr (c) 19:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Did a nice job, I have no idea how a newsletter should look but this seems OK. Harumph, really? treelo  talk 21:19, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I took a quick peek at a few other project newsletters. Some of them are pretty elaborate, so I figured to just go with it. And harumph, I have a penchant for inane edit summaries sometimes. Probably gonna get me in in trouble one of these days. Yngvarr (c) 21:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Child whine
Digitalworldmaster- You're an idiot. A lot of people know about Look Before You Ed and May I Have This Ed. A TON of people know about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Digitalworldmaster (talk • contribs) 15:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, well he did say he was stupid himself, not you. DWM, what edit are you on about? I've checked and it must have been over a month ago because I don't see it. As an aside, I'm growing real tired of you guys from The3Eds.com coming over here and contributing nothing but typical fanboi bluster and conjecture, it's got to stop.


 * Back to you now though, please stop calling everyone who doesn't agree with you an idiot, you've got a lot to learn about respect. Earned yourself a level 2 warning for being a jerk, cut it out. treelo  talk


 * I wonder if DigitalWorldMaster is related to User:Particleman24, he's another EE&E fan who ends up throwing tantrums when he doesn't get his way? Hmmm. Yngvarr (c) 15:40, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point, not worth a checkuser though, it's not that big a deal until one gets blocked. Figure this though, a TON of people who goto the3eds.com have got to be under 16 and it's fairly likely age has a lot more to do with it than it being the same person. Nice of him to say hello though, zero basis for doing so beyond calling you an idiot for an edit you might have never made but nice anyway. treelo  talk 15:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, I'm not going to bother over it. If he pops his head up again, I'll just send him over to WP:ANI, his edits have enough incivility to warrant some kind of action... Yngvarr (c) 16:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not Digitalworldmaster, okay? --Particleman24 (talk) 23:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Really? Alright then, if you say so. treelo  talk 23:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Courage the Cowardly Dog
Just wanted to say thanks for your assistance in the anti-cruft crusade in the Courage the Cowardly Dog character article. :) Beemer 69   chitchat  02:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

It's summer break, ain't it?
Yup, like you said before. Well now, a barnie ain't gonna do nothin' for yuh, neither will a damn cookie but I will tell yuhs to keep your stress levels low and even though vandalism from bored kids outta schoolin' will only get worse before it gets better yuh's gotsta be there to protect the articles from these child'un, ya hear. Leave it to go because you got bonk'd and finds yurselfs feeling out of it like a hawsable in a buffalo stampede and then you's just asking fo' trouble. See here now, ev'rybody needs a bit of support as it's hard out here at this time o' year and believe me, you's good for a few months yet, I knows it! Nows then, you get back on out there and show's them who be the boss around here, buddy. treelo talk 02:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Suspected sock puppets/Cookie81927
Please answer my questions at the linked page. Yechiel (Shalom) 03:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Chowder (TV series)
Thanks for helping me out on the Chowder article. I just got drawn into the cartoon last week, but I'm really enjoying it. There are lots of parts that still need fleshing out, although I'm not sure as to how exactly (for instance, I think the intro is a little too short now). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the show is still fairly new, only 14 episodes have been aired so far. Compare The Simpsons with almost 20 seasons, and The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack, with only three episodes and what appears to be a cloistered producer (I can't find pretty much zip about Van Orman). It might just take time for development. I don't know if you have it watchlisted, but be prepared for some heavy minutia, especially with a new episode tonight. By the way, if you do like Chowder, you might like Flapjack, too. It airs directly after Chowder. I have a feeling that it's a bit more high-brow than Cartoon Network's usual fare. Yngvarr (c) 21:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have Chowder's page watchlisted. That's a good point about the show's age; I would imagine that it would take a few more months before there're enough sources to actually get it to GA status. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (undent, kinda) So, what? I'm not here? treelo  talk 23:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Was trying to think of something silly to lighten, but all I could come up with is this... Yngvarr (c) 00:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * With that and TPH beating me to two reverts so far I must concede to the wisdom of the lolcat... that or wait until I'm able to be the mid-size fish in the pond once more. Rue the day a seasoned editor came to maintain one of our humble articles. But hey, you get to be Shnitzel. treelo  talk 00:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like you're Shnitzel now, Yngvarr. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

PPG
I thought my image was superior to the one I replaced. Marcus2 (talk) 14:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Then bring it up on the talk page. Yngvarr (c) 14:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

"Whom we never see"
Regarding that last edit in the Chowder article — Please don't use first person in an article ("whom we never see"), as it's not allowed. (Who's "we"? You, me and Treelo?) Thanks. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I change it to be more generic. I still don't like that unseen character linkage, tho. Have you seen that article? Yngvarr (c) 22:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

whuzza?
So, I've seen the term skein used quite often around. Had to run a search just in order to find out what it meant and lo, it's a Variety terminology and I hate Variety for inventing a language which is impenetrable even to those who do know it.

Riddle me this, why do we use "skein" in reference to a TV show when it's not obvious what "skein" is? Appears in the intro for Cartoon Network (US) and... well, nowhere else.. Um, I'll just go change it. treelo radda  23:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, you've trigged a personal passion of mine, which I don't really delve into here on Wikipedia. I love words, especially etymology. I've heard the word before, but never in that context, and yea, I'd delete it because it sounds like something stupid anyways. OED gives three defs:
 * n(1) A quantity of thread or yarn, CA 1440
 * n(2) A split of osier after being dressed for use in fine basket-work.
 * v To make into skeins


 * (dictionary.com gives a few more, but for some reason I trust OED a little more)


 * As for n(2), all I can say is wtf? Some sort of wood, I guess. But none of them make sense in that context... Yngvarr (c) 23:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Aha, great! If you need a trip into hell when it comes to sentences which you know are made up of English words but not in that particular order then read Variety. Osier, well, our very own gives it being a branch of the willow tree so a willow branch which has been prepped for basketry, simple. The change has been made and I never knew one week my usual thing of leaving out most summaries or being very practical and actually explaining what I did has now just turned into strange little messages. I'm blaming either you or the otter kid. treelo  radda  23:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Just like any bureaucracy, we can lay the blame on those who are absent and unable to defend... Yngvarr (c) 23:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody opposes the blame being attached to TPH and his high falutin' ways? Very well, everything's always Chowder's fault anyway. treelo  radda  23:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, neither myself, my otters, nor Chowder are responsible for putting "skein" in the Cartoon Network article. Skeins are what you buy at Ben Franklin. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No it was not but I did find what edit and which editor introduced the term into that article, Miguzi and possibly several others. I'm threatened to go and demand an apology for entering such a ambiguous term into articles. And a level 2 warning for fun. treelo  radda  18:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * While I regret it, I am not sure there's a warning about vandalizing the English language. Yngvarr (c) 19:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

don't even know if I like lolcats... maybe not, yknow
Now then, nice idea introducing an all new lolcat (even if your cc-by-sa-3.0 tag is probably wrong if you didn't take the photograph yourself) to the world and all but I'm thinking might have worked better, there is no tag. Revise accordingly. treelo radda  11:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You are correct. I CSD'ed it because of invalid licensing. I'll just hang my head now. Yngvarr (c) 12:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should but to be fair I was only concerned about the use of, not the licensing. treelo  radda  12:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Huh.
I see what you did there. treelo  radda  11:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I was roaming about and ran into User:CP/M and said, hey that is pretty cool. And now I'm sitting here at work, nobody is here yet, and I don't wanna do my work, and I'm bored out of my skull. Just copy-paste and edit to taste. Yngvarr (t) (c) 11:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This is what a semi-prot and no way to get more sources gets you. treelo  radda  11:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it makes for quiet times, time to reflect on this crazy journey we call life. Ugh, got to get me something to do before I turn into a Hallmark greeting card. Yngvarr (t) (c) 11:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Much too late for that. Oh, I'm wikistalking you, deal with it. Would this be too niche a thing to add to 1000?


 * The etymology of the word "Radda"


 * Views are welcome. treelo  radda  14:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * My life is boring, a wikistalker could brighten my day. Have you looked up Radda? How about adding something that's a little generic to the type of stuff which is usually added; over-analysis of a characters wardrobe, or something? Yngvarr (t) (c) 15:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm sure it could, it was going to be TPH but have you tried to stalk him and his otters? Crazy stuff. I did not and now knowing it's a nice little village in Chianti I feel happier though I reckon Carl didn't think of Italy when thinking of the word "Radda". Hmm, yeah, more something we always see instead of something specific.. Um, lesse..


 * An in-depth and somewhat over-analysed dissertation on the clothes of your favourite fictional character


 * You put it in if you like, I have a few other "in popular culture" thing to put in later when I find myself much more bored. Shame, I figured that would be a good one for you given your love for "teh Englis" language and it not being too niche though if it's going in, I'll be doing it. Doubt anyone would delete it, there's a few in there I don't understand. treelo  radda  15:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh no, please put it in, I was just rambling there, getting off the topic as usual. Yngvarr (t) (c) 15:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Later, for now I have something interesting. treelo  radda  15:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh? Now it's time for you to be the stalkee as I wait and see. Yngvarr (t) (c) 15:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There, done. treelo  radda  16:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

(undent) Ooh, I like that. A strongly worded letter to the editor. Yngvarr (t) (c) 16:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Of all the crap I typed up, one of them had to be gold. treelo  radda  16:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, not to get off the subject, but I wonder if you might get a chuckle out of this... Yngvarr (t) (c) 18:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, like you never divert from something... That is interesting, really odd anyone would bother to appeal even with its apparent "notability". Let it stay dead, it's a weak and unfunny meme. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  18:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

(merp) Just spent a really odd hour or so following odd links through the maze of stubs that makes up the Disney theme parks and resorts bloc of Wikipedia. I feel I want that hour back, yet oddly feel a "magic" sort of vibe which makes me happy though having never set foot in what feels like it'd be as packed as a roach hut but more upbeat to even it out. Maybe it's something I'm not getting. Oh, seems our friend Chowder and his wonderful oteri have added to the 1000. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  01:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Disney is evil spelled backwards. Well. Maybe not. I've never been to any Disney place (as far as I know), but know I'm not missing anything. I've never even really looked at their articles here. I saw the 10 otters additions, and you're right. I've tried to stalk him, but I get out of breath. He must drink a lot of red bull. Yngvarr (t) (c) 01:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * He has otters, man. OTTERS! 'Course you can't catch him, he's like the wind. Still, don't look as it's interesting, just not that interesting if you understand. Not being one to buy into the whole "believing Disney is somewhat corrupt and evil makes you counterculture and super-cool to everyone" I'll probably go, keep my pessimistic rage on the outside without acting it on it and say it was OK even though right through the 5 day spectacular of being fairly close to VIP level guests I was floating around in a near comatose state of ennui and melancholia. Ah, the fun we will have. *shakes ball* Hm, All signs point to change the topic... Yng, if you please. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  01:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Otters, merps and purple rabbit/cat/bear kids

 * But why otters? And what kind of otters? And the clamshells? Where do they fit into the story? It all flummoxes me. Good word, one of my favorites, for which I never get to use. Had to build a sentence just now so I could fit that in. Yngvarr (t) (c) 01:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, I'm just sitting here, I hope he has a good sense of humor, considering how much fun we have with him, even when he doesn't participate. Yngvarr (t) (c) 01:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not otters? They're super fast typers as you've seen, they're North American River Otters and lutrines like clams. The story itself is something for you to pose to Chowder (I'm seeing a pattern). Yknow, I've seen you screw up so many times I get flummoxed but I get to use it a lot being still in fairly common usage here, was actually looking to get in ennui and there you go. I'm sure Chowder's fine with us having fun without him, he knows he's welcome to join in when and if the otters allow him to touch the keyboard and he is stalking one or both of us so he does know. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  02:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Chowder moves fast because he has to avoid Panini. My otters are definitely on Chowder's side. I don't know what else the otters are doing, but yes, they are fast typists, and yes, they eat a lot of clams. They and I don't drink Red Bull, however; Red Bull is nasty. Squirt Citrus Power and Starbucks DoubleShot are much better. (By the way, I hope Greenblatt sees some of this, maybe he can work otters into a future ep...) Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * * points enthusiastically* See? Hehe, see? Toldcha he was watching us! Wonder who Panini is in this situation, bit odd hearing him speak in the third person like that. Shnitzel doesn't much like it... got me doing it now, thanks. I'd love to see otters also in season two or further ahead but I have no idea if he even comes here and I'm not overly confident that he does though he could be here right now, watching, editing, getting undone by us. Figured you and the otters wouldn't like Red Bull. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  22:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh. There must have been something funny in one of those feetzas. Or maybe it was one of those No fruits. Something I ate made me talk in the third person. Maybe it's all those otters. They smell like fish and it's making me dizzy. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Radda? Otters smell like fish, that's new, how many otters edit with you? Personally, I blame that weird piece of trash you ate earlier, Mung told you not to after all and you still snarfed it. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  23:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've never seen otters around here before. Marzipan City's not near a lake. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 03:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, yeah.. Hm, if otters don't live here then maybe they don't smell like fish. I imagine them to smell fairly nice. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  10:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It'll be interesting to see the thread end up as singular characters leading down the right side of the screen. Having a not-good weekend, so I'm not really in the mood for participation. Yngvarr (t) (c) 14:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is upto 14 indents already but I reckon someone will merp or undent eventually. As for your involvment, you're currently only a minor character who we don't know much about besides being surly and having great line delivery. If you're not here, it's OK. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  15:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What the heck is a merp? I think Mung Daal put one of those in his soup once. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 16:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Coincidence? The rest is on the Nerd Armada blog. Yngvarr (t) (c) 17:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sea otters, not quite river otters but they still love clams. Merp does sound like an ingredient (and it should be, by gum) but in this case is an obscure reference. So obscure not even Gorgy gets it and he really should. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  17:46, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, there's MERP, and then there's Samson. Yngvarr (t) (c) 17:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, so it's either the Tolkien LARPing or a fat guinea pig with allergies, the subject on which Gorgy has put in the most edits wins. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  17:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And pretty soon we're going to need to reverse the polarity of the neutron flow, otherwise the earth might devour itself. Yngvarr (t) (c) 18:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

More redonkulous otter stuff
(merp) Alright then. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  19:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I just had an epiphany. It'll pass, soon. Yngvarr (t) (c) 22:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I fear we have released a monster (of ottery proportions) treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  23:04, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Otteristic! Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * How otterly right. Now I gotta clam up as this is getting far too otter-worldly for me. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  23:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no way I can top that; we have a winner. But as for myself, it's time to call it an evening... Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay, I won a battle of bad otter puns! treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  23:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My otters are still the kings and queens of WikiOtterLand. Ten Pound Hammer Farfel  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine, it's low rent anyway. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  00:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Free Speech
I normally dislike the nutshell boxes: They so often take a complex and nuanced idea and turn it into a sad parody. In many cases the page was long because making it any shorter would make it miss something important, so by adding a nutshell box we are tacitly approving the misunderstanding. In this case, however, I think you've done a good thing. The page has a simple straight forward meaning which your nutshell box captures almost completely. The target audience of the page is not likely to read much more. Very good. Thanks. --Gmaxwell (talk) 19:01, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It actually took me a while to find that particular page, and try to figure out if what I thought was what is, which is why I hoped a nutshell would be beneficial. Thanks for the affirmation. Yngvarr (c) 20:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do with me and my being hounded recently, right? Don't think I could have a nicer stalker if so. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  22:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. Trying to maintain some sense of non-involvement, and loading the big guns if they're needed. WP:NPA and WP:CIV for starters. I get almost irrational when I see drivel like "freedom of speech! you can't shut me up", so WP:FREE. There's another one, which was very clear about (non)ownership of user talk pages, but I can't find it now. Yngvarr (c) 22:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yea, that would be WP:UP, with the statement about one screen in: Note: "Your" in this context means associated with you, not belonging to you. Yngvarr (c) 22:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I see WP:UP, just a shame there isn't very concise like WP:FREE explaining that very point, ties in closely with the whole free speech thing you see trotted out around here sometimes. Feel like typing up a short essay (pending certain proseifying tasks)? treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  23:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * One of those things you love to hate around here: too many guidelines and policies, sometimes contracting one another, and never in a handy to find place. Look at the history of WP:FREE, people argue back and forth it's policy, it's not policy, and it's really not even a matter of what they think, it's judicial, because the Foundation is a private organization, which is not under congressional control regarding rights. Yea, I'm a typical 'Merican in some ways, but kinds like that should spend more time learning than bragging about things which are far beyond their comprehension. See? You got me going. Oh and a gentle nudge, huh? Yea, it slipped my mind. It's a little daunting, for some reason. Yngvarr (c) 23:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec, merp) It's contradicting, not contracting, you yokel. You're right that it isn't actually policy in the same way the five pillars are say but something inherent... like double square braces. Strange you mention too many policies and guidelines, almost in a way contradicting Wikipedia not being a bureaucracy. Yep, it's a gentle nudge to semi-forceful push to get to it, I can only type "radda" and through the miracle of something you can understand me so I simply cannot do it, Chowder's otters are demanding more clams so he's out too which leaves only you, step to it chuckles. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  00:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Radda radda (no wait, that's Treelo's line)
Good work on prosifying the critical reception section. I still think the article is a long ways away from GA class (it needs copyediting and moar sources, still), but it's a big step in the right direction. I figure once this show is into its second season more sources will stop cropping up. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I have been zinged and I love it! We might as well deal with your expansion suggestions then Chowder, humour then the whole "verify this" tag for the eps which we may never be able to get. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  01:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

This is where a barnstar would be

 * Heh, thanks, much appreciated. Only thing I am concerned about is if those edits will "stick", but no use worrying about that. Yngvarr (c) 10:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It should stick, that list doesn't get as much traffic as it has done in the past. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  10:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, that's what I'm hoping. Now the Lazlo is done, it appears they're directing their attention elsewhere Yngvarr (c) 10:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

New messages!
You have one new message at User talk:GO-PCHS-NJROTC. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 00:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Treelo
Treelo is a she? I never would've guessed. Ten Pound Hammer Farfel and his otters • (Broken clamshells• Otter chirps) 23:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody ever expects the... wait, no. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  00:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Your attention, loafer
Got two things or you to be updated on:


 * 1) Remember that ANI you filed for User:FalconPunch2? Well, it hasn't exactly disappeared and it'd be nice if you updated some of the guys there on it. I've done you a solid and notified FP2 of the incident as well as weighed in on their POV pushing (which makes me think this might have been better for WP:RFCC but that's a slow-moving train wreck in my opinion) so all is left to you to fill in others on your concerns with diffs by golly.
 * 2) Noticed a few of your undo summaries end mid-se. Might want to work on that, cut out the link to the user's talk if neccesary, usually a 20 character gain there.

Well, there you go, now get at it as the wikibreak is over and WP:DGAF no longer applies to an editor like you who clearly does give a fuck. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  21:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I responded over at ANI. We'll have to see how it goes. But I'm still feeling grumpy, sorry for not being as playful as an otter right now. Yngvarr (t) (c) 22:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Everything comes back to otters... hmph, that kid has a lot to explain... treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  22:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Y'know, anytime I ever get to entertaining submitting myself to WP:RFA, all it takes is a walk over to WP:ANI to get over it (my current posting over there having no bearing) Yngvarr (t) (c) 13:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeppers, know what you mean. Wonder what it is that makes you forget about wanting to be an admin... For me, it's the slightly cliquey feel about it.  treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  13:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

(merp) Few observations, The majority of the vocal Chowder fans are raving fangirls (why fangirls specifically I don't know) inclined to shipping as you'd expect and for whatever reason, a spelling error for Will Reiss' name is in the titles for The Apprentice Games. Yes, I am simply that lost for things to say right now. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  22:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The shippers don't entirely surprise me, given the whole "I'm not your boyfriend thing". But I've not been seeing too much, other than Shnizel's girlfriend thing. Have you been trolling fan forums? I am surprised about the fangirl thing. It's not a typical type of cartoon for that kind of attraction. Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't need to troll the forums, just read some of the comments on Nerd Armada to get an idea. I mean, some were really gunning for a Cerviche/Gorgonzola ship until Carl mentioned later that Cerviche was male (I don't understand how you could confuse him for female) so no shippery there. The fangirl thing I'm surprised by also as there isn't anything that stands out as specifically girly about it but it does play a fairly non gender specific line so I'd say it has a more even split than most shows do which either get one gender or the other. It's gradually getting more leftfield I think, Apprentice Games really did show just where it might go in season 2 as that episode is incredibly bizzare even for Chowder. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  23:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, but isn't the bizarreness great? The last cartoon I liked with that kind of in-your-face oddness was Zim, and look at what happened there... But that's neither here nor there. I actually haven't been reading many of the comments on Nerd Armada. I tend to just read Carl's main postings, toss in an occasional comment which doesn't really need a follow-up. But now you've got me curious. Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

(merp, whatever that means) Ugh, I *(#@$ing hated Zim. That was way too random. And dark. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!) 00:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahem, WP:NOT? Anyway, I'll not disagree that Zim was really random and dark but that sort of humour and theme you just don't see in animated series or at least not to that level and you can't beat the following it has. I'd compare it to Zim much like Gorgy does but just not as dark but equally if not more random. Merp means undent, if instead I use my usual language it'd still mean merp as it's been one of my favoured terms since I first heard it.  treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  09:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You won't find any four-letter words in my posts. I just don't need that kind of sh...never mind. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!) 17:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I do love just how bizzare it is because I can't second guess it and even makes me feel a little uncomfortable as they play with the character dynamics and throw several curveballs. If you're feeling like reading the comments, do so but I simply can't, reading all those moronic comments make me die a little inside and the SNR is far too low with every 1 in 20 being any bit worthwhile. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  23:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)