User talk:Yngvarr/Archive 2

Hammer club
You haven't been ostracized. You just didn't say anything so I didn't poke you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!) 01:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, same thing happened to me too. Who'd have though some guy and his otters would be so popular between two deadbeats like us? The Hammer (or farfel, dependant on which rock monster you ask) Club continues on. treelo  radda  09:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

uh.
Keeping up with the latest goings-on? Yeah, need your help actually getting something with an overall worldview for the article, no we're not recreating Cartoon Network around the world but making something which covers the history of Cartoon Network internationally to date. treelo radda  20:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, sorry, I've dazed out of that talk page (and other things, as you've noticed). I'll catch up with it, and see what ideas I can come up. I'll post my thoughts. Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Rocko's Modern Life
Yes please. If you are making statements about what people said and think, as well as a direct quote it would be best to footnote them, even if the actual reference is further down the section. The name field of the ref tags makes this pretty simple. I was asked to look it over for the B-class comics assessment and not having those claims properly sourced would have been a problem, so I tagged what needed references in the hope someone could sort it out. If the reference is there then spread it about a bit as reading that paragraph it is far from clear. (Emperor (talk) 13:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC))


 * That's great. Thanks for the swift response. Looks like the article is in good shape for going on to further higher grades. (Emperor (talk) 13:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC))


 * I dropped them a note of thanks (and encouragement) on the Comics Project talk page where they asked. However, even if someone does the bulk of the leg work it is usually always a group effort (even if it just needs a quick polish). (Emperor (talk) 14:13, 10 August 2008 (UTC))

Note to myself, or anyone else who's watching this talk...
Apparently Van Orman (The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack) did an interview for the Great Falls Tribune, but it's behind a paywall:. Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Lolotter
For the first time, I actually lol'd at a lol-animal. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Which otter made you laugh? I never actually laughed at any lol-animal myself (did grin at ORLY?) but I do have a soft spot for "O Hai!", it's just what it implies more than anything and no, that something isn't merely hello, it's something about the "oh, hello" delivery of it. treelo  radda  13:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I must have an odd sense of humor. I have I can has cheezburger? in my RSS reader, and sometimes, that's all that gets me thru the day. O strange new world. Yngvarr (t) (c) 13:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Convos
I'm a little worried that the convos among Treelo, you and myself are breaking WP:NOT, specifically that WP isn't a social network. Think we should move it to AIM or something? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 02:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Empty section header
(mysterious reasons) Yngvarr (t) (c) 10:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Nacho Bear
I relized that it is just a short, not relly a show, i do not know how to delete articles, so go ahead, delete it.--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 00:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You can always tag the article with at the top if you want it to be deleted quicker.  treelo  radda  09:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

My Mistake
Sorry, it's been a long day and I didn't notice how absurd that section that you removed was. I was just about to revert my edit and you had already reverted it. UKWikiGuy (talk) 23:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Say what?
"Oooh, you are sooooo... close when you say that about the goth girl. Go a little bit further and deeper, until you hear that click. Something about goth, satire and Zim (looks around, wondering if there are any goths nearby), and you might have an epiphany." Say what? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 00:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Yeah, about that... I'm gonna need your help over here Gorgy. treelo  radda  01:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah you're right, I could've just asked Shnitzel to G7 it. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

More notes
These look interesting:

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Treelo
She moves her name to Treelo 2 then places a retirement message up. WTF? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)#
 * I did? When? treelo  radda  01:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikicleaner
Terrible kludge of a tool, is barely reliable enough when you're watching it but when automated actually makes for a whole mess of trouble. It is busted in many ways and in general shouldn't be used. Though I like the disambig to the correct page it's still creating issues. treelo radda  12:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm trying to get an answer on how to fix this without manual audit. I thought admins had a "rollback all edits". I'd rather roll them all back to the "incorrect" disambig, then look over 2400 edits. /sigh. And still no answer on the talk page either. Bet you in an hour, they'll start back up again. Yngvarr (t) (c) 12:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A few seem to be rifling through these edits and seems that "rollback all edits" doesn't exist so it's all by hand. No audits, just reverts. Back to the point of the edits though, each was intended to disambig the links to Cartoon Network so they goto a specific article which I still stand by as the best solution as most variants are directly linked to the right article and those which don't can be audited by hand as it's likely to be less than 30. Even though I agreed with the idea of making a coverall article where the disambig stands now, I still reckon it's making an article out of a disambig page just like Cartoon Network around the world tried to. I'm not saying move the CN US article back to the disambig, just that for the vast majority of links to CN, they'll be meaning the US variant.  treelo  radda

User:Yngvarr/sandbox
Looks good, I say move it to the mainspace. I made one tweak, because even if it is Chowder, we should still avoid "currently". The last few times I used that word, it got slapped with a when and/or I forgot to remove it when "currently" was no longer current. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 11:40, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahem. Anyway, I'd rather have it in a condition which doesn't still have bits we're trying to repurpose or even in-line notes. treelo  radda  11:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Now then...
Turns out due to our attempt at preventing Particleman24 from being a dick and spamming his forced meme, he or one of the other bunch of morons from YouTube Poop has popped up as (notice the pattern?) and still desperate to establish it as notable when it simply isn't. Think a CU might be in order? treelo radda  16:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sigh. I saw their request for unprotection, even started to add a reply because someone else asked "what is it" but stopped. Perhaps I'll still stick my nose in and add my two cents. I don't think a CU would work at the moment, with the handful of contribs. Let's see how far this goes, but if Moleman starts on EE&E next, then we know we have our man... Yngvarr (t) (c) 17:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly how I spotted him, noticed in his contribs how he'd been readding info about this piece of shit website/meme bollocks that I removed for not being of any note to the subject. Gotta love his little demand on his talkpage, aren't most memes un-notable by definition? treelo  radda  17:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * They sure are obstinate little ones, aren't they? I'm tempted to post a note on Moleman's talk page, but I think my motivation to do so would be wholly impure. And yea, by def, a meme is a neologism... Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Could get him for incivility as the guy who is reverting him is doing the right thing by removing what does constitute spamming. Sure we can't get a CU? He has enough contribs to link them together if need be. They know what they're doing though though if this isn't PM24 I'll be very surprised as they happen to be doing the same thing, even knowing to put in some edits which stop him from being called a SPA which is basically what he's doing since he decided to stick his tendentious issue flag on his talkpage. treelo  radda  20:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Myself, I'd still like to wait and see if Moleman makes a beeline towards EE&E. If he is Particleman, he won't be able to control himself for much longer. If you feel there's enough for a CU, don't let me dissuade you. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hah, no, that'd be fishing. I'd have to open a SSP case also if I want it to stick, a post to ANI can also have the same effect if the damage is perceived to be bad enough. I'd say wait and see also, of course he could just not go anywhere near EEnE as he'd be flagged instantly as PM24 so he'll keep to other places, plow forth with writing about CD-i games and all that. treelo  radda  21:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I hate to revisit this, I thought he would be quiet and just go away, but he's still as troublesome as always. I'll probably file an RFCU, but PM24 is probably stale by now. Suspected sock puppets/Particleman24. Addendum: Oh, would you look at that, he's been blocked for personal attacks against TTN. Yngvarr (t) (c) 22:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * To be fair, I have no idea when accounts can be classed as stale, only really applies to CU. He was actually blockable just a day after he came along but if you must attack a good editor for reverting your crap then you're in the wrong place. Oh, if you check this you'll find their brain trust has a nice little agenda against Wikipedia in general, no doubt because their entry was deleted so many times we had to createprot it. Never has the term "grow the fuck up" been so right. treelo  radda  23:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It makes me wanna cry. But this was recent, and just oh so appropriate . Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:23, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * * snort* That's why I don't use YouTube, like the obnoxious retards of the world have found a new place to be absolute douches to each other other than IMDb's message boards. treelo  radda  23:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "'I am sorry about that. I didn't know about those rules for talk pages and how we couldn't make personal attacks. And I did not really mean it when I said I would kill him. That was the first time I had ever done something like that, and as you can see above, I was given a warning and was told about how I can't do stuff like that. I promise I won't ever do it again, so please unblock me.'"Numbnuts. And I will not be fixing his unblock requests again if he doesn't bother to get it right. treelo  radda  01:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

(undent) Special:Contributions/Marzillius... He doesn't know when to give up? Is a civility block and sock puppetry accusation enough to get ANI to agree on a community ban? Yngvarr (t) (c) 16:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Depends if we're merely dealing with one person or with a whole bunch of them like Grawp. I'd wait for Marzillius to play their hand first, depending on what they add and how they react when they are reverted will help determine just how this should play out. Right now, civility and tendentious editing may not be enough but I'm willing to assume a three strikes ruling on this should Marzillius react in the same way with the same content as PM24/MM9K have done. Just see what happens and if the same old stuff happens again consult an admin first about it then take it to ANI if they don't themselves. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  18:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

(merp) Seems both PM24 and MM9K are unrelated according to the CU but I don't think they are unrelated and I'd bet they know each other. Anyway, I feel that anyone looking to push YouTube Poop content should be treated warily as we do know some folk there do dislike Wikipedia and will try hard to get the content added. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  17:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, I saw the tag on the CU case. Oh well, c'est la vie and all that. I saw an interesting note placed on Moleman 9k's talk, and I'm biting my tongue. The URL you posted about the poop crap above (no pun intended, or is there...?) might be helpful if this kinda shit (there it is again) starts flying again. I've seen people post on ANI about off-wiki message boards which discuss deliberate vandalism. Yngvarr (t) (c) 17:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, say it anyway, your recalcitrant ways aren't good when stuff like this comes up. This stuff will inevitably start again, we should notify an admin about the new account MM9K opened as it is a backdoor way to do it if he ever wanted to. When it does start up again, you might want to take it to ANI if it's a concern but it has to be directly linked to the addition of the content, not just general WP bashing. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  20:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I took you advice and notified the blocking admin, but I'm thinking I'm going to hold my tongue for a bit yet. He's showing surprising self-restraint, creating a new account for the apparent sole purpose of that message. And since the CU came back negative, I'm a bit mindful of a possible stalking issue (or however you might want to call it), so I'll leave it at that for now. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh, I figure you might as well, you don't really have anything to go on right now. Stalking, I don't think you're wrong to be stalking them if you're fairly certain that they might start up again, if they don't do anything then at least you won't have to worry. Nothing wrong with watching someone's contribs if you reckon they're upto no good, only bad when you start throwing around bad faith allegations when there's nothing to go on in terms of history or actual edits. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  21:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Chowder
I've seen Chowder once and I thought it was interesting, so I decided to do some research on it.

Anyway, I was trying to make the edits similar to the Rocko and Camp Lazlo character sections - Maybe we could give the main characters sub-sections in the character heading and give the minor characters another section? WhisperToMe (talk) 00:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, yea, just toying with some ideas. Unfortunately, it's no Rocko or Lazlo, and Murray has been excellent in his journal. And having 10 years of material helps. I think one of the things with Chowder is that it's still fairly new, and Greenblatt is a bit less verbose than Murray (altho more than some others, like the guy who does Flapjack, he's like a mystery). Anyways, pop over to the talk page, I know for sure that two other people who frequent the article would be happy to have another experienced hand (who just so happens to be an admin) helping out. Yngvarr (t) (c) 00:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose we could see what others thinking about this :) - We can always change the organization once more information comes out. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to see what you have.. it's still a mess currently though, can't we sandbox it? treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  16:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What am I, chopped liver? Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 22:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Quoth the raven, I know for sure that two other people who frequent the article would be happy. Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Your cat is giving me dirty looks. Also, I found you can use orly as it does redirect to fact which I thought was wizard. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  22:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I had to take like 37 shots before I could get her to even look at me, and do the ear thing. The orly thing is cool, I'm gonna use that all over the place now! Yngvarr (t) (c) 22:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Still giving me dirty looks though even with the ear thing. The orly thing might get fixed by a bot so be careful, all your little meme tags might go bye bye.  treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  22:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

The untimely return of FalconPunch2
Our favourite CL fantard has returned under the guise of and still remains the sole beacon of obnoxious dickery in a sea of otherwise good vibes. As you'd expect, the kid has been banned several times for incivility so only a matter of time until a indef block looks his way... yknow, unless someone mentions something about socking. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  10:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I was wondering why it all looked so familiar, but I couldn't jog my memory. Suspected sock puppets/RhoLyokoWarrior. Yngvarr (t) (c) 11:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Shouted very loudly at me when looking at today's AfDs, usually if there's an issue involving Code Lyoko, this guy is usually the one doing it and cursing others when they revert him. Though that SSP case probably should have Rikara as the main account with FP2 and RLW as socks, what you got there is RLW as the main. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  11:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, that %$!% SSP format is all backasswards. Too late to change it now, I think... Yngvarr (t) (c) 11:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It is, now go notify RLW, he might be a complete twerp but he (and the various admins watching, wink wink) needs to be told about the case. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  11:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * His pages are protected. I've asked the prot'ing admin to place the template for me. Yngvarr (t) (c) 11:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, noticed that whilst wikistalking you just now... Dunno how I missed it before.  treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  12:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks. And a great cat on your user page! JNW (talk) 22:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

"Unverifiable Opinion" on Toonami's Cancellation
That's plenty verifiable. Just google "Toonami Cancellation" and look for forums or blogs and you will see that it is fully verifiable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.77.192 (talk) 03:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:Burden, it's up to you to provide the verification, it's not up to me to search out what is, in fact, your opinion. Yngvarr (t) (c) 08:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Fantards, can't control them or get them to source some opinion beyond that of the mewlings on blogs and forums which is where the fans are but doesn't really help seeing as most are arsewits and will cry foul if the slot of One Piece changes by a half hour. Eternal September and all that. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  15:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

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CN programming block... articles!
I have an issue but seeing as you're going to be coming back from a wikibreak (which was taken in very uncertain circumstances, you'll have to dish on that) I can expect little done for a while. Anyway, I've noticed that CNUS has somehow earned itself another programming block satellite article bringing the total to seven. On programming blocks. Not significant ones either, just your regular sort. Personally, I can't see why any of them exist seeing as they add next to nothing that isn't in the main article already and don't require half the documentation they have now. I'm considering putting them up for AfD but won't make a move until I get some input from you and Chowder on this. Yes, I mean you Chowder, let's see if your knowledge of AfD can work in our favour. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  11:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, as for the uncertain circumstances, not sure what I can say that wouldn't simply be TMI, but just say that I'm fundamentally unhappy. I don't care about talking personal stuff, but I've found over the years that most people don't wanna know. And besides, someone would come along and slap a Wikipedia is not a social networking or Wikipedia is not a chat room or whatever.
 * So as for that, I planned on "returning" today anyways, and will look at the stuff you mention. If you were to bring some for AFD, those are easy delete arguments: the material is non-verifiable, as Cartoon Network does not really maintain a published programming guide, and any other sources would be unreliable (as tv.com and tvguide.com); and beyond that would be "not a programming guide", since the stuff changes on a fairly frequent basis. 09:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, tellsya what then, you can use the email link if you feel like telling anyway off-wiki, I like to listen. It'll be active until you say that you won't be emailing me or until I get an email from you, whichever occurs first. Right, Chowder is currently wikibonked so won't ask for his input but I will get the AfD up in the next hour on the basis that it's too much info but no merging, the article is plenty long as is. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  09:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the offer, altho you might want to reconsider unless you don't mind what I would call an emotional vomit :p I'm at work right now, so I might just ping you. And I'm stuck here by myself for this week, so I'm not sure how responsive I will be. And on the topic at hand, I saw the AFDs, so I'll be adding my opinion to them shortly. Yngvarr (t) (c) 11:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I can take it, go ahead and do it anyway. And hopefully these AfDs go well and end in deletion because even the main article is terrible to look at when it comes to these blocks. As an aside, keep an eye out on the usual YouTube Poop articles, doesn't seem like they want to go and I'm very certain PM24 and MM9K/1 are meatpuppets, not socks. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  12:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And seeing as how I'm still catching up from my recent spaz attack, lemme know if you see anything. I've noticed MM9k talk is now fully protected, and 9k1 made a blatant personal attack against you, as well as an obvious self-admission to socking. The CD-i article he (or they, if it is a meatpuppet) is fully-protected, too, so there's been no real traffic there. Yngvarr (t) (c) 19:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll keep you upto date but I'm not watching the usual articles they hit as my watchlist is plenty full already, probably shouldn't have wiped your watchlist without making a backup. If they end up at RFPP or elsewhere then I'll know, keep an eye on the EEnE articles too, certain level of dumbfuck cross-breeding going on between YTP and The3Eds. The padlock for MM9K/1 talkpages was my doing after I noticed it, thing is I didn't read a word of the tldr garbage he spat until I got to Tree-hoe (which is a fantastically weak insult) and went off to RFPP to lock it up. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  20:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Moleman
Done, though it might be worth watchlisting it - we don't really want another outburst like the one that got him indeffed in the first place! <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 11:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * After a little rattle around, you may want to keep an eye on the following:
 * Colgate-Palmolive (apparently they used a mascot of theirs derisively in their crapshots and C-P told YouTube to pull them, big deal to the kiddies it seems)
 * Fair use (same issue)
 * List of Super Mario episodes (some crap to do with Yoshi)
 * Doctor Eggman in other media (some crap to do with him saying something that kinda sounds like "penis")
 * Doctor Eggman (same reason)
 * Luigi
 * Doctor Eggman (same reason)
 * Luigi


 * Also, run searches for "Youtube Poop" but it mightn't be explicitly referred to as such and "mama luigi" but be careful, Mama Luigi was an episode name also. YTP Search Mama Luigi search. As a little finisher, check this diff and also to which ISP resolves to. MM9KX may not be a sock of PM24 but he might be a sock of a certain someone else.  treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  21:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This person who reappeared, think they're linked to our sockdrawer? Time for some administrator intervention I think.  treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  20:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure, but it sure raised a flag for me, which prompted this. We'll just have to see what happens, I guess. Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, already there... Hm, yknow, I do think that there's a distinct link between this spate of crap and Greg Jungwirth, the outburst tipped me off first but I won't act on it unless I get more info, maybe even a CU if possible because it's odd that you'd get a edit regarding YTP memes in an article on Rhode Island. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  20:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

(merp) On the SSP case (which remains open, should get someone to look at that) you might have been better to have added in five tildes to the start of the message and tailing it with three seeing as now that date and time you added is accurate to the WP server time right now rather than when you posted it. Wether or not it was intentional I dunno but you didn't post it at the exact time I'm looking at it, did you? treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  12:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I used currentdate on my bullet, and only tilde'd three, since they should be the same. I wanted the additions to be chronological, so that's why I did that. One was or another, I guess. Oh, I'm also wondering if the SSP case might be better moved into LTA, but I haven't asked around to see if it's appropriate. Yngvarr (t) (c) 13:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Bad idea, using or any of the  variables ends up telling the correct date  or time as of the viewing of the case, not when you posted it. Don't see why you didn't simply sign it, would have achieved the same effect. Now, as for listing at LTA, I haven't listed Jungwirth there even though he'd fall under the same issues as the YTP guys do for the simple reason that I'd rather WP:DENY than put up a detailed list of their actions at LTA as they're simply doing it for the recognition if you remember their exploits against Wikipedia. Keep at the SSP case instead and see if you can get one of the CUs to check over the new stuff we added. Once that is dealt with, we'll see what an involved admin wants to do next.  treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  14:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Umkay, closed in a fairly OK way, HT42 was indef blocked but basically beyond that we have made no progress and might need to go back to ANI to plead our case further. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  18:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that's kind of interesting. Other than stating that he was blocked, there's no indication if the conclusion was a conclusion. Did it pull up a match or something? Myself, I don't think I would have blocked, but then again, I'm not an admin. We'll have to see if any more pop up, and if they do, it's back to ANI again... Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems more like a half hearted close just to clear the backlog, a block was given and little else. Whether a match was found or you'll have to bring up with the closing admin, he's fairly responsive. You keep an eye out, I don't actively monitor these shenanigans as mentioned before. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  21:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

(undent) Well, back at it, and now I've opened this, but right now, confidence is low. Yngvarr (t) (c) 00:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Aw, you so could have got a Simpsons reference in there with the whole "not once but thrice" thing! You wasted that man, really you did... hey, lookit my hands... trippy.. Right, back to reality and yeah, I can imagine confidence is low but the evidence is there and it should be enough to try and stop edit-warring and tendentious editing which usually score disruptive sorts community blocks. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  00:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you dragged any random admin off the street, you might be able to get them to block on sight anybody using the 'YouTube Poop' meme. It just needs to be clearly described in a thread somewhere so that whichever admin does the block can link to this 'well known phenomenon' as justification. The very careful procedure at AIV is designed to avoid biting newcomers. Anyone adding YouTube Poop as part of an organized off-wiki campaign can be assumed not to be a newcomer. The only problem I see with your account above is that it seems to say (a) we will know YTP when we see it, (b) we would really like a checkuser to be sure. If we are going to be blocking on a meme then checkuser isn't really needed, but admins would need a really clear list of examples of what is and is not YouTube Poop. That's what an entry in WP:LTA might accomplish. If WP:DENY is preventing you from giving a clear description, it might not be a good priority in this case. EdJohnston (talk) 17:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Self-revert
The posts above mine answered my question, so I felt I was just being reduntantly redundant. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Make sure you file that paperwork in triplicate duplex. Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Glitch?
Huh, that's weird. I simply added another section, but it appears to have deleted several others. Thanks for restoring them! C1k3 (talk) 07:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

When you get back - TF:ROCKO
A user started WikiProject Nickelodeon/Rocko's Modern Life task force, so if you are interested please check it out WhisperToMe (talk) 21:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm still here, just hiding my face in shame :P I'll check it out. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Writing about cartoons
Do you know anyone who's good at writing articles about cartoons? The Brothers Flub, an article I created back in January, is still very short and needs moar info. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 19:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I can certainly take a stab at it if you wish. I did some work on Lazlo and associated. Another person I'd have confidence in is Treelo. User:WhisperToMe (see above thread) is very good at finding these little nuggets of real-world info and adding citations, and seems to be active in the Nick area. Yngvarr (t) (c) 19:35, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought Treelo was semi-retired. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, but I kinda hoped my message might lure her out. Dirty tactics :P Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It did work. I'm part semi-retired and yeah, this is way out of my remit because I've never heard of the show less watched it. For now, I'm merely sticking to undoing and editing Chowder so I'll be of no help to you or anyone. DGAF FTW. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  21:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

PM24
I figure Particleman24 may have returned under the guide of, keep an eye out on his contribs. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  16:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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That delightful spamlink you mentioned...
...has borne fruit! I was able to de-spammify another innocent article thanks to that bit of knowledge...thank you much! GJC 20:20, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I noticed you removed another one of those links--Is there a compelling reason that link should NOT be on the blacklist? It seems to be a favorite spamlink for a few shows, and unless there's a real use for littletoons.com to be a linkable site...I mean, we might as well save ourselves some trouble, hm? GJC 16:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see any reason not to blacklist it. I never considered requesting it before, because it's mostly a minor nuisance, but if you can get it blacklisted, that'll be just one less recurring issue to deal with. Yngvarr (t) (c) 16:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Dinokingfan11 again
I started a new ANI thread on this user since the last one went stale. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 02:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And there you have it. Next I need assistance with troublesome user, rather than demand fealty, I'll just start swinging the hammer, gets better response. Yngvarr (t) (c) 11:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fealty? You and your five dollar words. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 15:59, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, if I can't dazzle with my positive personality or my keen intellect, I'll dazzle them with you-know-what. Yngvarr (t) (c) 17:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Served by a "noob"
the Mr. Men fans don't like it when you edit information on the wikipedia without citations so please don't edit The Mr. Men Show wikipedia page unless you have citations ok. we would really appreciate it. thank you very much. by the way, my name is MissSpecial if have any questions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MissSpecial (talk • contribs)
 * I dunno, first edits are to your page and speaking as an authority? Hmm, anyone you might know Yng? treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  19:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Just another fan who thinks that Wikipedia is a collection of trivial information, /meh Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Sergeant Cheerleader
I have just updated the Sergeant Cheerleader page by adding multiple references including news articles from multiple media sources. Also, this film meets 2 of the 5 criteria of your list: #2 this film is historically notable in that it is the largest feature length production to be made entirely in our community, AND that it is being done by students. That is why it is getting so much media attention, while most independent films don't get any media attention. And it meets #5, in that our work in Sergeant Cheerleader is being used to shape teaching at the College of William and Mary, a University which has been around since 1693. Even bigger, this film IS a course in itself.

And also, it is very easy to sit from a computer and suggest that this entry be deleted. Please remember that many people have worked very hard and put in countless hours to make this film. Please do not deny these hard working people the opportunity to see their legitimately earned Wikipedia entry. I'll continue working on the page, updating it to make it better and provide more citations. Until then, I am literally begging here, please do not delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Themensaguy2001 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If you think you can meet #2, which continues as follows:
 * Publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release.
 * The film was deemed notable by a broad survey of film critics, academics, or movie professionals, when such a poll was conducted at least five years after the film's release.[3]
 * The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release.
 * The film was featured as part of a documentary, program, or retrospective on the history of cinema.
 * Then add the refs. For your last comment, I am not the one who started the deletion discussion, but rather participated. The guidelines and policies which have been developed over the years have been developed for a reason. If you disagree with those, then you need to take your argument elsewhere, and I'll suggest you start at the WP:VP.
 * And finally, your first account was blocked, and this account is an obvious sockpuppet, which is basically forbidden. If you want to participate at this level, I'll continue to recommend that you review WP:NOTE for general notability guidelines, and re-read WP:NF for film guidelines. Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

They're coming out of the woodwork now, aren't they?
Hey, I'd appreciate it if you would leave the Sergeant Cheerleader wikipedia page alone. The concerns of notability have been addressed as seen by the recognition by the Internet Movie Database, which has far stricter criteria than wikipedia: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1336008/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Themensaguy2001 (talk • contribs) 17:11, December 13, 2008
 * Your genuine concerns are duly noted, thanks, and have a day. Yngvarr (t) (c) 22:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Account is now at AIV for sock/meatpuppetry and SPA spamming. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  00:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I had dropped a note for Ioeth, but he appears to be quiescent at the moment. Yngvarr (t) (c) 00:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Leave it with him, sadly an obvious SPA sock just isn't grounds for blocking without a SSP report and the necessary warnings to point that out for some admins . treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda
 * Chowder has done us a solid (though it doesn't reduce the amount of episodes he must watch) and made a case at SSP. How much of a long-winded and pointless effort it'll be won't be known for a while. Maybe 12 hours, maybe 29 days, who knows. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  01:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And then reverted his own work, for reasons only known to himself... Yngvarr (t) (c) 16:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

list of shows
i really dont understand how my list of shows was vanadlism Totemruby (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Totemruby (talk • contribs) 14:03, December 15, 2008


 * Well, at least we got you talking now. I'd like to as that you start using edit summaries, because that will prevent some cases of confusion. That's the little text box right underneath the edit box, it says "Edit summary (Briefly describe the changes you have made)". This allows us to quickly review changes and audit for serious vandalism and stuff like that. Use something to say what you did "added list" or "changed date", just start to use something.
 * As for the changes you've made, those which were in question: this was your first change, which did a number to the formatting of the page. There's no particular reason to have these shows listed. One of the principles we try to adhere to is Wikipedia is not... a directory. There is a List of programs broadcast by Cartoon Network, which is already for sufficient for the purpose.
 * When that version was reverted, you added it again, and at this point, we like to participate in something called bold, revert, discuss. By the second reversion, it should raise the question in your mind, is this suitable and try to open some sort of discussion. Instead, we have an edit war brewing.
 * So, I realize you are new, but there have been several notices on your own talk page, including one from myself. You do get a yellow message "You have new messages" when someone updates your talk page. Rather than ignore the messages, address the issue. Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ok thank u for recognizing mr. im only 12 and I am kinda haveing a hard time getting the hang of this. i really just try to find random stuff i have kniledge of and edit it. when i got my edit removed i got kinda angry and didnt understand what i did wrong. I still cant even figure out how to put pictures on articles. Totemruby (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:32, 16 December 2008 (UTC).


 * So here's the thing, I'm trying to give you room to learn and grow, and I admit that it can be frustrating, doing a lot of work, and having it deleted. But in all honesty, that's actually part of the cycle here. The entire system at Wikipedia works on a concept known as consensus, which may sound difficult, but it's not: if you change anything, and nobody disagrees with you, that means they agree. If someone disagrees, by reverting or undoing your additions, then communication is required to come to an understanding. Otherwise, edit wars break out, and those can end up with many people blocked or banned. The big part is communication. People must talk amongst themselves, especially when there is disagreement. And especially when behaviour goes against a previous consensus. That kind of behaviour is called disruptive, and will be tagged as vandalism. If someone cannot show they've attempted to discuss to reach agreements, then all bets are off. And this is part of the reason why your earlier additions were tagged as vandalism. Each and every article has an associated talk page where people can discuss the article, possible improvements, disagreements, and so on, and everyone is expected to participate during disagreements.
 * Now, that all being said, please understand that your specific additions have been reverted three times, by at least two different people. That means there's no consensus for your additions. Logging out and trying to add the same disputed material is usually frowned upon, often called socking, because it is trying to avoid things. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

actually
now that i think of it there is one thing i can do really well. (\_/) (O.O) (u u) Totemruby (talk)
 * Cute, might want to consider taking this to AN/I again Yng. I smell me a sock and even if it isn't, it's clear they're not competent enough to edit here. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  20:18, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm, the list is added again under the IP . treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  20:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

beleve me im very competent. And half of what u sad makes no sense to me. i did not put the list back on some1 else must have.Totemruby (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC). i swear i didnt sock —Preceding unsigned comment added by Totemruby (talk • contribs) 19:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The notice is now on your talk page, feel free to dispute the evidence at Suspected sock puppets/Totemruby. Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

sorry about the wait
sorry its been so long. i did not have acsesss to a computer. as with the sockpuppet thing im telling you i only have one account. I swear i did not sockpuppet but i know who did and will tell him to stop and furthermore explain the rules and guidelines of wikipedia with him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Totemruby (talk • contribs) 19:48, 27 December 2008 (UTC) if you would like to see my full appeal and explination go to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Totemruby  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Totemruby (talk • contribs) 19:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, FWIW, I think I believe you. So here's what you can do... for the sock case, let it go. You were warned and blocked for 24 hours, which is not necessarily the end of the world. The Seth account is blocked. If it is your friend, and he wants to use it, he can appeal the block using the instructions on the block notice. If he's not interested, then just let that go as well. I don't know if I'd worry about talking with your friend, that's your call.
 * So basically what I'd do, if I were you, is just move forward. Things can get confusing here, so if you need help or have any doubt about anything, there are plenty of places to ask. One of the important things to remember, if you find yourself in any kind of conflict, you need to stop and find out why. And when I say "conflict", that includes things like having your additions removed. That is an very common process here: when you add something, someone may delete or change it, but communication is very important.
 * You can start with WP:HELP, and if you're serious about wanting to contribute here, you can ask for a WP:MENTOR who can help teach you some of the ins-and-outs of policy, behaviour and that kind of stuff. There are several "message boards" where you can ask for help, like new users help and so on. Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:15, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

totemruby
now im really bored because what i thought was fun is against the rules. now what can i do in wikipedia? i dont know what to do.Totemruby (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC).


 * Well, you can find something that needs improvement and try your hand at it. My early editing was basically limited to spell-checking, until I get the hang of things. On the left, underneath the Wikipedia logo, is a Special:Random link. If you use Firefox, it even has a built-in spell-checker, which makes things easier. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Sock problem reported.
Based in part on your analysis and also on further behaviors, I've reported The Other Hand here. Thank you for your help. ThuranX (talk) 16:56, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hah, I liked that! Odd thing to be socking about really, one for WP:LAME y'reckon? treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  17:04, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * oh geez, Thuran, between this that and the other thing, I had totally forgotten about that thread on ANI. I'm sorry I never followed up. Thanks for the notice, and actually giving me a feeling that I've made a positive contribution! Yngvarr (t) (c) 17:21, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem, 'tis the season to be harried and distracted. That said, any aid you can offer in watching the mess till SSP finally gets to handling the report would be appreciated. ThuranX (talk) 05:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Reading
Yeah, it might be a good idea to save the reading-ness for later. By the way, sorry for not giving you as much attention as I give Treelo. You don't seem as talkative anyway. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, we'll drop the literature. I know we kinda rode you hard on the Zim thing, but it was all for your own good. And the snipe about attention was semi-joking, we're all tied up with our own little things, so don't worry about it, and I've just been kinda coming out of my own shell after having a melt-down some time ago. Yngvarr (t) (c) 02:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
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 * And thank you. I would have replied earlier, but that particular incident made me want to start an addictive habit, so I needed to walk away once it was addressed Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:15, 30 December 2008 (UT

seth just updated
look at seths page now. my supposed sockpuppet knows nothing about any of this. and look hes on right now and so am i is that even more proof?!!?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Totemruby (talk • contribs) 19:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Me and my legitimate sockpuppet can be on at the same time too, doesn't prove you're innocent at all in my opinion. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  19:58, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is what we are going to do. We are going to end this interaction. I've given you the benefit of the doubt; and I've asked you to put it aside and move on. This issue is now dragging into the second month. You've done nothing else in the interim. So I'm going to assume you really don't have an interest in any of this at all.
 * Now, I'm not an admin, so I don't know why you're insisting on proving your innocence to me, especially when I have tried to be cooperative with you. I can't unblock the Seth account, and if you want it unblocked, there are instructions to do so. It'll be up to the blocking admin to review your case, and right now, you've stacked the cards against yourself by attempting to post on the Seth account. As Treelo points out, posting to the Seth account serves no purpose other than to make the case against you. Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I figure the ball is in your court now and all good faith assumptions are now gone. if you want to keep this up and Yngvarr isn't around I will be looking towards having both accounts blocked indefinitely even if they're unrelated as it's gone on too long. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  20:15, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

your right
i guess i have carried this on too far. im going to let it go now. im sorry i was worried that people still thought i was guilty and i didnt like it. ill drop it now knowing that wether i agree with it or not, wikipedia has made its descision and i have to make due with it.Totemruby (talk) 19:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Should Adult Swim task force cover anime and off-network programming?
Comments? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 21:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I've watched the situation develop for the past five minutes, and am reading one of the last messages that you left on Collectonian's page. I suggest we move this to a centralized discussion location, namely the talk page of the dispute. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:21, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

half smoke
Hello, I'm just responding to your deletion of my edit. You used WP:COATRACK as a reason for your deletion. I truly mean no insult but like the previous editor who deleted that edit WP:ESSAY clearly states that essays have no power to dictate action. Guidelines, which COATRACK is proposed to become, have no power over action. Only policies have the power to dictate action and per WP:IGNORE policies can be abrogated (only with good reason). I cannot help but wonder - I added a highly verifiable fact from a highly respected news source, a fact that even those who wish to delete it have admitted is at least somewhat interesting. A fact that incidentally violates not a single policy. Why do you wish to delete it? You argue that consensus is against me but those who wished to delete it acquiesced to its inclusion, which at least implies that they have reconsidered their opinions. Can the inclusion of this single fact be of such a volatile nature that for it to remain the article is condemned to mediocrity? Please respond on my talk page I really think that we can come to an understanding on this issue. Thanks. Na uf ana :  talk  01:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Coatrack gives discusses the nominal subject, but in reality is a cover for a tangentially related bias subject. The disputed content in this case is a phrase, Obama asked, "What's a half-smoke?". As a coatrack, this has no bearing on the food, rather it focuses on the politician in question. It nether defines the food nor its cultural impact (as would be implied by the heading Popular culture); the phrase has not entered into public consciousness as equating half-smokes with Obama (for instance, Popeye and spinach). If you consider such a statement to be necessary for inclusion, then I would recommend inserting it into the Obama article. Yngvarr (t) (c) 10:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Lamborghini man
Does something seem a little off about this user? This guy used to predominantly edit public transit articles and all of a sudden goes off on a extreme tangent. Every edit that has occurred since he had a week long break on December 13 has been singularly trying to force his opinion on what passes as "original" since which seems a bit bizarre if you ask me seeing as very few of his contribs before that have even been towards building animation articles. Reckon there might be some foul play here? treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  14:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, something feels odd, and I'm not sure how to define it. I can think of a few scenarios, he got bored with the public transit system, he gave his account to his little brother, or he usurped. In any event, he's pretty close to the edge, POV, edit warring, going against consensus and that kind of stuff. His ideas don't have much merit, so unless he gets out of hand again... Yngvarr (t) (c) 15:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Righto squire, if he decides to kick up more dust regarding this then I'll be carting him to AIV whether the original owner still has the account or not. I gave him a final warning anyway. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  20:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, I'm actually looking over his contributions more in depth, trying to see what the writing style is like from the "old" vs. the "new", but all in all, it's just odd. He didn't slowly broaden his scope, which is normal, he just did a total "reinvention". I don't know if AIV would be a good place, ANI would be better, but how to phrase it so someone takes more than a passing glance at it? Well, let's see how he reacts with this latest template proposal of his. After the last template war, he went away for a couple of weeks. Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine but even though it's not out and out vandalism it is trying to force opinion against consensus along with a bunch of other things I made a note of on his talkpage. Feel free to scrub parts that don't really work but if it goes off to ANI then we need someone to read and act on it. One thing I noticed is that there's two edits regarding CN within his contribs around a week or so before his break so is it someone with access to his account like a sibling? As usual, we'll see how things go but the warning I gave was more just to put the scare on him. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  20:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

AfD
You have new messages at Articles for deletion/Looking for Group.—  Dæ dαlus <sup style="color:green;">Contribs  20:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Apology
I'm sorry for what I did. I posted on Rattis's talk page out of anger and haste, and I have removed my rant. Just wanted to let you know. Marcus2 (talk) 22:16, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Taco Bell
Regarding this diff, I added a discussion on the talk page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 03:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Some should know better...


I'm threatened to call him several things in response to this little edit summary but the ironing is too delicious to stop me laughing about it at this moment. I figure that now is the time for some admin intervention, no? treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  13:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I just saw that now myself, and am actually composing to ANI as we speak... Yngvarr (t) (c) 13:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Added my views on the matter, seems he said sorry on my talkpage but you can stuff your sorrys in a sack mister. It doesn't make up for the fact that he said it at all and that there's several other incidents where sorry wasn't forthcoming. Let's just see how this pans out. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  14:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Diffs please, you've got a lot of history to go sponge through. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  15:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

(merp) So, why did this incident fail to attract any admin input? OK, he did get a note from EdJohnston (top notch admin that guy) but no admin bothered to even say a word beyond that. Screwy stuff. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  22:09, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, just sort of died with no real movement. Probably should have listed more diffs in the first place, hence my plea that SOMEONE actually LOOK at the contribs, rather than me listing endless diffs in the first place. Ed appears to have looked things over, so we'll just need to keep it in mind if Marcus continues his strike/apologize type of behaviour. Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well yeah, one thing you learn about in ANI is that you shouldn't expect the admins to go wading through someone's contribs so maybe the better method would have been just giving the right diffs and hoping someone can do something. Eitherway (and even with my flamebait or not) he's gilding around on a 4im for me. As usual, keep an eye on his contribs for any "idiot" epithets being left around. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  23:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

proof of my innocence
i dont know sethdloos pasword. besides im really mad now that whenever anyone signs on to wikipedia at my school on this computer they see the refer link to the sockpuppet case. onen that is not true. i never sockpuppeted! and i will not rest until my name is clear of untrue felonies that have been placed on my head. i am not a suckpupperter.i didnt even know it was possible to have more than one account!Totemruby (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC).

Hello Kitty.
I am not making a claim about Miffy/Hello Kitty, I am just adding a See also that I feel is very relevant, even if the Miffy author's claim were false. But I give up. I won't edit Hello Kitty again. I feel the see also should be there, but it is not worth the trouble if people keep reverting my edit.

Martin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.35.160.133 (talk) 13:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if you understand why I reverted you. Verifiability, not truth is the policy of WP:V, and I'd say even more so for controversial claims like this. Even if the claims are false is exactly why multiple third-party sources are needed. I don't care if the claims are true or false, but the only person who says so is the creator, who has a decided bias in the matter. If you were to find supporting sources for this claim, that would be another story. The article has been tagged, for over a year, with multiple issues, long before I started to address some of those issues. Yngvarr (t) (c) 14:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Weaksauce argument
I am once again embroiled in a pointless WP:LAME but without the edit war and stalled at the D in BRD. It's semantic split time and our contestants today are "animated cartoon" versus the long standing rival who currently redirects to him, "animated series"! The issue here involves one man who across several articles changed some terms relating to animation to cartoon animation specifically on... yeah, animated series. Anyway, rolled the edits back, brought him up on it and decided to discuss at Talk:Animated cartoon which is ruled over by the self-annoited smartfuck User:Janke who seems to own the article (WP:OWN own) and somehow the definition using the wooden ruler of "it's the right term, dumbass" even if to me it does sound really stupid to say animated animation. The article has had issues regarding this technically correct but woefully flawed term before but this time it's different as it affects several thousands of articles all of which deal with animation as the subject matter but not the one they mean. Basically it's gotten stupid because each side is entrenched in their meanings even though they both mean the same and neither will give up the bone. It's probably going to go off to RfC which'll be the second time this article has had one but I need some outside input on which term is the betterer to use before it gets carted off to RfC to be ignored for a month. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  11:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yargh. I took an unexpected wikibreak. I'm just pinging here to acknowledge, and will poke my head around. Yngvarr (t) (c) 01:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Too late, slowpoke. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  02:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, had a weather-related emergency, which kinda ate up what would have been an otherwise enjoyable and long weekend. Yngvarr (t) (c) 13:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

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 * Consensus has been developed. YouTubePoop material is considered vandalism. While I may one of the few who "patrol" the article you mentioned above, you are free to examine the history of YouTube Poop, and the other alternate spellings and/or capitalization. Another target of this vandalism is Colgate (toothpaste). I am not the only one to consider this, as a recent ping to the talk page appears to agree with this. And yes, this is vandalism. There have been multiple attempts at discussion to establish notability, yet the only arguement to prevail is "YTP gets a million hits per second!" or other such utter nonsense. Yngvarr (t) (c) 22:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't get me wrong, I agree with you! But the user didn't get any vandalism warnings on his/her talk page, and after that many bouts of persistent vandalism I still think that simply reverting over and over again wasn't getting anyone anywhere. Explaining reasoning and explaining that if the action it would result in banishment might have helped. I hadn't heard of YouTubePoop, however, so I wasn't sure if it actually constituted vandalism, which is why I didn't really give an opinion on it. It did strike me as less-than-good quality of a resource for Wikipedia, but I really wasn't sure. DreamHaze (talk) 22:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the short and terse answer. YTP has a long and disruptive history here on wikipedia, and it sometimes get wearisome when the poopers decide "it IS notable because I SAID it is!". Yngvarr (t) (c) 22:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No worries! I spend most of my time reverting vandalism and "jokes" that people find funny--I definitely know how frustrating it can be, particularly the persistent ones. Good luck fighting the YTP battle! DreamHaze (talk) 22:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

It's all Moleman, isn't it? Every IP address who had been reverted along with our most recent friend all seem to link to Moleman's admitted secondary access point through his grandmother's. I see an opening for an SPI with CU to see if we can get these addresses and accounts blocked and throw in a little clearing out a sockdrawer for good measure. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  01:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * March is actually "national noodle month" here in the US. Anyways, I'm betting it is Moleman, and for me, the kicker was his statement "you don't need sources as long as its true", (in)famous words by MM. Right now, since I'm about to retire for the evening, I'm going to let the ANI stew; if nothing by tomorrow, I'll probably go to CU. They revamped that whole process, too. Yngvarr (t) (c) 02:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello! McFly! I'm aware of the refangling and how sockpuppetry cases and checkusers can be done at the same time now, don't need sources if it's true... common truths maybe yknow. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  11:07, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Confounded new process. Sockpuppet investigations/Ultimatehooly. Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, tell me about it and one thing, earmarks? Hallmarks might work better, he's not a book. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  23:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, that went down well except that one of the IP addresses is still unblocked and the other has a holdover from a three month block issued in December. Might want to ask User:PeterSymonds about a block being issued for the IP address which has none and an extension for the other. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  12:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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 * When I said keep an eye on this memetard, I did mean to do so. Might want to also have a quick cleanup for articles he's hit where there might be mention of it being used as an internet meme but as we know, is not a notable meme if it's a YTP one. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  04:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Come on...
Me and Otter Boy are having some stupid 4/1 fun and need you to make more obscure references and memes. We've already participated in the yearly fake AfD (I have already =!voted under your moniker) and need you over at his talkpage as part of an ongoing stupidfest. treelo <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">squeedly spooch  18:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Yeah, you still are, just a good month or so hiatus of any new Chowder (not you) can do that to you... but you're also Otter Boy so it's not like I'm wrong. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">squeedly spooch  18:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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 * well, they're semi-prot, so he can't edit them until he has 10 edits, or something like that, so if I were suspicious, I'd say he's racking up minor edits in the interim. Yngvarr (t) (c) 09:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)