User talk:Yomangani/Archive 5

Thylacine
Hi Yomangani, Really enjoyed the Thylacine article. I have some small points that you might like to consider when making your next update:
 * Description - the jaw was muscular... Was that jaws? & were the 46 teeth the total of upper & lower jaws?
 * Diet - Prey....small animals....wombats. Have you tried to pick up a wombat, they aren't what I'd call small, they probably weigh more than the Thylacine!
 * Extinction - ...introduced bounties...1930... I think you mean 1830.
 * I thought marsupial young were called joeys, but apparently only the hopping sort!!

www.museum.vic.gov.au/scidiscovery/dna/cloning.asp Museum of Victoria

I was being flippant before, no wonder my point wasn't clear! I just thought that all marsupial young (while in the pouch anyway) were known as joeys. I think the term pup came about simply because they are/were so similar to dogs. I guess you have to decide whether, as this is an encyclopedia, you should use the technically correct word or that which is commonly used (but it might be difficult to know what is common - Thylacines aren't discussed by the average person on a daily basis...) GrahamBould 14:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Note E - I think it's either "southern Australian" (the general area), or "South Australian", (the state). "In southern Australia accounts.." should be "In southern Australian accounts.."
 * I've checked further & I think sac is precisely correct. The dictionary definition of sack doesn't even mention the animal meaning. GrahamBould 11:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Cheers & thanks for a great article GrahamBould 19:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Evolution (& a later section) - "...widespread (although never numerous) on the Australian mainland and New Guinea." As it was also in Tassie, maybe it would be better to say  "widespread (although never numerous) in Australia and New Guinea".  Or did it get to Tassie much later, & your choice of words was deliberate? Interested to know...  GrahamBould 19:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Re name of young. At present in the article they are both joeys & cubs. I was in the Vienna Natural History Museum yesterday & they call them pups! So the choice is expanding. I think we should pick on one & stay with it - cubs is more bear-like, & pups I think is because they look like dogs, so maybe we should stick with joeys. Whatever you think. Cheers GrahamBould 20:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

"refs after punctuation"
O RLY? Did they change the MoS or was I always wrong? - crz crztalk 01:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I think "you will not get a menu" is more pithy..... soundbitish... (Too lazy to look at MoS...)- crz crztalk 01:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * For some reason, I feel like you will not get a menu there... NOSUSHIFORYOU!! CHEF MASA THROW YOU OUT! - crz crztalk 01:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Lend a hand?
Yomangani, can you lend a diplomatic hand on the FAR for V for Vendetta (film)? In the absence of Marskell, and with Joelr31 not yet weighing in (he indicated elsewhere he's very busy right now), I'm going it alone. Another editor closed out the review him/herself (incorrectly), so I re-added it, leaving talk messages to everyone involved to record on the FAR page whether concerns have been addressed. I've asked the original nominator twice to indicate if his concerns have been addressed (yesterday and today), and he seems to be skirting the issue, and has not firmly said all concerns are addressed. Not sure what to do next, but need another set of eyes, and some firm diplomacy. Sandy (Talk) 14:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

RE: Ibid
Thanks for the comments. Now that you mention this point, and it has crossed my mind before, I think I will abandon the Latin abbrev. system for future articles that I write. I mean, there is the danger you mention of a careless second user, but also when I'm editing a large article it causes me problems, because I have to change the notes when I move or remove or add text. This is tedious, besides risking mistakes. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 20:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

FAR notification text
I created a template for this at my userspace (see Wikipedia_talk:Featured_article_review). Let me know what you think, and if we should move it to the Template namespace. Gzkn 02:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Request help with Articles_for_deletion/Stand_Alone_Complex 'no consensus' decision
You posted that the decision wasn't clear for action to be taken... but then Ned Scott apparently went ahead and merged the article anyway saying that because it needed work with the WP:OR problem, it needed to be merged. Discussion so far has not proceeded as one would hope. I am a pretty new user and was thinking of asking for mediation, but don't know how to question the uses of admin power properly. Thanks for any and all help. MrMacMan 06:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks you for helping me with the clarification I needed. MrMacMan 16:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

You have mail
Sent you a email. Stefan 13:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?
Congratulation on this. Someone from a school in Catawba County, North Carolina had blanked your article, but myself and another user have issued warnings to the user about the deliberate vandalism. Your article is back to normal now. Chris 15:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Qpawn deletion
I really must take issue with your decision to delete the article called Qpawn. I understand that there was a certain amount of astroturfing involved, so I won't fall back on the ratio of keeps to deletes, but even when new users were factored out, six people wanted the article deleted, and three of us wanted to keep the article, and were willing to argue spiritedly against deleting it. A 6-3 majority is not a consensus by any means, and I'd remind you that the job of an admin in an Afd is to articulate and to act on the consensus of the discussion, not to make an executive decision. I'd also remind you that the only circumstances that warrant an admin to ignore the opinion of a user are in a case of legal trouble, or bad faith, and that when in doubut, one shouldn't delete. I do hope you'll consider reversing your decision to delete the article and give it (and the disscussion about it) a chance to develop. Many thanks. -- Thesocialistesq/M.Lesocialiste 18:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Problems on the Gävle goat article
There is a user named Danny (see the History) that reverted me on the Gävle goat article. I have no idea why, even though I tried to ask him. Maybe because I found a YouTube link to a video about the Gävle goat, but he also reverted all my edits (which was adding info and references..) I reverted back to the version before he reverted it. Then he reverted THAT version as well!! crazy isen't it.. Please take a look at the mess and se what you think?? Thanks FreddyFred 00:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thx
Things are as good as can be expected, I suppose. I won't be here 100%, but I'm getting antsy without any Wiki work. Marskell 14:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Unmaintainable and Unencyclopedic
Would you mind providing me links for all Wikipedia poilcys and/or guidlines on unmaintainable and unencyclopedic so that I can review them against the List of famous bearded people? Thanks. -- Jreferee 17:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Mallard
Oh. Sigh. Thanks. Xiner 03:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Patrick
Err well I appear to have screwed the article up now...gah I don't entirely like the referencesd but if it was deemed ok for the garter article it can do for this one. I'll go and try to fix my mess now Alci12 11:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Cheers, I'm not sure what went wrong the references were fine and the link went to the references but in the numbered notes list the 35 had no comment attached but was blank - when I tried to add it all the notes for the article vanished. I'm much safer when I stick to simple references and post replies using two hands and not while talking on the phone as my replies don't make any sense. I only saw the article was being nom delisted today I'll have a look for citations that remain :( Alci12 12:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "The present banners represent those of the knights in 1864 to which were added those of the Prince of Wales (1868) and the Duke of Connaught (1869)". Alci12 12:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That was the closest I could find - the dublin castle article teases that it answers the point but stops just short. The banners are very visible  certainly colourful but I can't find a good photo of the stall plates. So close you can just about make them out  Alci12 12:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Success! The stall plates can be seen here (and they are colourful :) Shame the image is under a non-commercial, no-derivatives licence. Also Galloway says the banners were replaced in the 1960's with those of the Knights of the Order in 1922, which contradicts the quote from the cathedral webpage above. I'll try and double check this. Dr pda 13:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well done that's clear wrt to the last set of knights. We could do with a pic to clarify if the front of the stalls or elsewhere hold the plates of previous knights which is the case with other orders. Alci12 13:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Even if we get a pic of that, it doesn't demonstrate that it was traditional to leave them in place (as if it has been redecorated they could have been replaced), so we'll have to reword that section slightly. Nice work though. Yomangani talk 13:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Speedy revert
How *do* you do that so fast ?!?!?! Sandy (Talk) 02:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * nah, this one, I saw it the minute it came up, but you still beat me to it (and got me in an edit conflict)!
 * 02:02, 12 December 2006 Yomangani (Talk | contribs) m (Reverted edits by 66.57.37.184 (talk) to last version by Tapir Terrific)
 * 02:00, 12 December 2006 66.57.37.184 (Talk)
 * Sandy (Talk) 02:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * TS does seem to flush out the vandals :-) Sandy (Talk) 02:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:ELAC
Hi Yomangani, please do not remove ELAC maintenance tags from articles per WP:ELAC-R. This is a new project, supported by the community, we presently only have four articles tagged; see: list. You are welcome to contribute to our project. Presently, ELAC protocol is to use main page tags not talk page tags. We are giving this a test run this month to see how it works. Thanks: --Sadi Carnot 12:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

St Patrick
Thanks for your work in saving the article. I'm afraid that I can't recall the exact source of that particular claim. However, I do know that it is general practice for all the orders of chivalry -- see, for example, this website on the order of the Bath: "The stallplates of past knights can be seen attached to the stalls," and a site on the order of the Garter: "These 'achievements' are taken down on the knight's death and the insignia are returned to the Sovereign. The stallplates remain as a memorial and these now form one of the finest collections of heraldry in the world." -- Emsworth 17:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Combined FA template
Trying to find how all the pieces work, because I wasn't sure if mainpage date is handled by a bot? I found that first, it's added as "to come", and later the "to come" is deleted out. I don't understand who does this work, though. (I'll follow your talk page - sorry I can't be more help in this - don't know much about templates.) Sandy (Talk) 17:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure either - I'm just going to push ahead with it and find out later. Yomangani talk 17:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Regardless of who does the work, it seems set up to take the date in format December 8|2006 Sandy (Talk) 17:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that is a bit silly if there are more than one set of dates. I get a feeling there something wriggly in this can. Yomangani talk 17:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you want me to work on tracking down who does that piece and how? Sandy (Talk) 17:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If you don't mind. I'll be back later. Yomangani talk 17:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think this is a bot - I think some people see when User:Raul654 fills extra days on WP:TFA and adds the template to talk pages, and then other people edit out the "to come" on the day. WP:FA is updated each day automatically, as I understand it. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It should be possible to include this functionality in the template, e.g. if today's date is after the 'main page' date, show this article was featured ...., else show this article will appear on the main page on..... The code would go something like

It will appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on, .}} }} You could you the same logic to choose which image to display as well. I haven't fully tested this, see Parser functions and Magic words for more info. Dr pda 19:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I do all the tagging, and I've been doing it since it began back in September of 2005. It's pretty much the only thing I do other than regular article maintenance and vandal revertion.  I just add the next available date to my watchlist and add the tags to the articles when that date is populated, then check for other dates to see if they have been populated and once i fill all the new ones up i watch the next empty one.  I check my watchlist every day and so I never really miss the additions by more than a few hours, it's nothing special or difficult, and it's not done by a bot.  The reason I add it as December 8, instead of 8 December is because the page that the tag links to is placed as December 8, so linking it backwards produces a red link, and making redirects for each of those pages is too troublesome since there are 365 of them.  I haven't really had any trouble adding the templates to the articles so I'd like to continue doing it if you all don't mind. I also do a bit of maintenance of the empty archives behind it all, for example, I recently created the 2007 archive and did a lot of work on the 2006 archive as well, just helping out Raul654 and such.  I'd like to keep doing it if that's fine with all of you, but if you wanna put a bot to do it, I don't mind, it'd just make me a bit more useless on here, lol. --  SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  23:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that makes me feel better about it, I was just dissapointed because I've been expecting it to happen eventually and it caught up with me today, lol. I really do enjoy doing it, however... it makes me feel important, ha ha! I think a bot already switches the tags over once they reach the mainpage, it used to be done by user:hydnjo, I don't know if they still do, but maybe not, I just know I don't do that part and never have either.  Still, I'd be willing to collaborate on any of this you're trying to think up here... the thing is, what exactly is it you're trying to achieve, I've read this convo and the other one on Sandy's talkpage but I'm still kind of in the dark about it... any feedback?  Thanks! --  SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  23:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, SmthManly! I left a note for hydnjo.  Sandy (Talk) 00:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I just left this on your talkpage Sandy, but I'll reiterate here for the others, I did some research and it seems that a bot controlled by User:Schutz is the one that does the switchover to the templates once the article gets featured, he'd probably be the best to contact about that. -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  00:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks - that's what we needed to know. I'll wait to contact him, as we see how Yomangani's work progresses.  Sandy (Talk) 00:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It's definately a work in progress I see, but itd probably be better if the image was as large as the entire template, and you'd have several different stages of it, like, if the template is just featured and nothing else, then it would look like the current one, but when it gets on the mainpage, it would get a bit larger and a note about it being added to the mainpage would be placed underneath the featured status, so on and so forth, but all done as one uniformed template, you can probably do this by creating several different templates with similar markups and just having users change the markup whenever a change comes along, then, a new template will show that looks very similar to the other one. -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  00:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Look great, but i still think it should only have one large image, and the main thing should be the fact it's featured or demoted, the rest of that stuff should be small notations below it, right now it kinda just looks like 3 or 4 templates all merged into one large one, instead of just one template. -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  01:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

In case you need this later (to remember): SmthManly adds, Schutz BOT updates. Sandy (Talk) 00:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Campus 14
Hello, I recently emailed you about deletion of the article about Campus 14, Campus_14. Please, have a look at the following articles: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/public-affairs/press-releases/press-up.phtml?menu=pressuparchive&sub=211 http://nottingham.openguides.org/?Campus_14 http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/articles/2005/09/29/fresher_blog_laura_flynn_feature.shtml Search the contents for "Campus 14". Best regards, Mateusz —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Patek (talk • contribs) 21:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

Mainpage date on FAs
I've been asked on my talk by Sandy to provide some background about this. I can and will respond to this request as soon as possible, There is some history to it all that will require some archive searching, no big deal but I just wanted to let you know that I received the request and that its on my to do list. --hydnjo talk 09:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Watson and the Shark
Splendid stuff! Jasper33 17:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Groan. There goes my weekend .... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jasper33 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Tada! As if I haven't got anything better to do on a Friday night...   Need to sort out link and external links still, but I thought I'd disgorge it as it stands so you can poke holes in it!  Cheers Jasper33 23:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, I agree. I think I'll hack it back tomorrow when I'm a bit fresher ...  Pics would be fab if you've got the time (all still beyond me - not sure I'm ever going to get my head around copyright, so I steer well clear).  I need to add some of my sources too, most of which are only very slightly paraphrased.  I know it reads very clunkily, but it's a start Jasper33 00:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow - you're quick. Thanks for those - makes it look reet lush. Jasper33 00:24, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for putting Brook Watson up for DYK - just discovered it up there when I put my megaherbs page up. V. kind of you! Jasper33 18:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

George Beaumont's favourite painting
Good idea, uploading this to illustrate George Beaumont. However, I'm a little worried about this notice from the source website: – it states categorically that the reproduction is copyrighted by the National Gallery. Does the Corel v. Bridgeman overrule that because Wikipedia's servers are in the US? I'd just like to be clear on that point, because there are a few other pictures I'd like to upload from that site. The NG having copyright over reproductions of centuries-old paintings sounds like a licence to print money to me... [talk to the] H AM 17:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

DYK -> Boyd, Oregon inaccurate
Poor sentence construction composed late at night seems to have led to a misreading now memorialized on the Main Page. It is not the grain elevator that is still operating in Boyd, but the wheat fields. I am just heading out the door, but will edit the offending sentence upon my return in a few hours. Meanwhile, can we kill or revise the corresponding item in the DYK column? I am terribly sorry for the misunderstanding. It is entirely my fault, and as a former teacher of English, I should be quite ashamed! -- "J-M" Mea culpa, &c. Jgilhousen 01:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for bailing me out on this one. Believe me when I say that I shall exercise far greater care to avoid similar ambiguity in future. -- "J-M" Jgilhousen 02:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

DYK -> Peter Gadsden
Hi, thanks for adding it. Greetings Phoe  talk 15:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion: Anal Stretching
Please help me understand why the article Anal Stretching was deleted. The reason you cited was that it was a how to article (which in my opinion is arguable to begin with), but, even if it was a how to article, then clearly it should just be edited and amended to not be a how-to article and still be referenced and included in wikipedia? I fully realise the mature nature of the article/concept, but it is nonetheless a factual concept that not many people are aware of, it has purposes including medical, novel, and sexual. Please expound upon your motives. Rfwoolf 09:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Anal stretching on deletion review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Anal stretching. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Rfwoolf 11:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Society in Hoysala Empire - DYK
Thanks.Dineshkannambadi 02:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Shark Fin Soup
Yes, not sure what to do, looked through his edits and all are political, POV and/or controversial and I disagree with all I have seen, I read through 1 or 2 of 'his' articles without checking what was his edits and picked them out as should be reverted. Also he writes like someone wanting to push his view, not the way an encyclopedia should be written, and I do not want to fix his text, because then it looks as if I agree with them :-(. Stefan 13:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Twitches 2: Back to Coventry
Back on Oct 31, you closed an AfD for Twitches 2: Back to Coventry, someone has once again remade the article with the exact same info (including the AfD tag), could you please delete it again? --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

3RR from WP:DYK
You wrote: and I'm probably going to be 3RR blocked in a minute (lapse of concentration. If you don't want to get blocked, there is a simple remedy: self-revert - if you do this, 3RR block is not applied, as it is accepted people err and can fix their own mistakes.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * For the first offence you should get just a warning (consider yourself warned here :D), so don't worry - just try not to do this again.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Your article, canine hydrotherapy, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 22:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Alexander Macklin, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 22:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Your DYK nomination for Lithium Iron Phosphate Battery was successful
Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 14:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
Happy Christmas-Happy hollydays to you  Must TC  14:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Your article, While Shepherds Watched Their Flocks, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! (I have a nom in the staging area so will be hoping someone else does an update at some point but have been cranking along... :) ++Lar: t/c 23:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

DYK
I was watching Lar's edits because I was going to ask him how he did the credits, and I happened to see the note he left on your talk page. I went to Next Update, and I saw Bakasuprman already added a DYK with a picture, so Lar's was left out. Also, see my edit summary at T:DYKT: "2 moved to Next Update. Next time, Lar. :-p". I saw you removed it afterwards, thinking that someone hadn't updated Next Update, and I was going to message you, but I thought you would understand what happened. Ehh...whatever, we'll get Lar in later today.  Nish kid 64  00:44, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  21:04, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!!  Nish kid 64  01:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Platypusary
Thanks for enlightening me about the above-referenced concept. I had always been under the mistaken impression that Hugh Hefner lived in a platypusary. --Hokeman 03:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Northern Irish people on deletion review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Northern Irish people. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Mal 13:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

DYK!
Thank you for your contributions!!  Nish kid 64  00:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

more aminal articles.....
Hi, If you're thinking of working on any more animal or plant articles have you seen Kelly Martin's paypal reward for animal and plant articles in her december archive? Kangaroo is the Aussie collaboration for the fortnight but I think it has a rather long way to go. I have also nominated Diplodocus for FA - and would appreciate any feedback. cheers Cas Liber 09:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Caps on animal names
Hey, there, know you're busy, but hope you'll find time for a quick answer here - you told me something once about capitalization on animals and species (during Thylacine) that went right over my head - can you look at the caps here? Featured article candidates/Snow Leopard Thanks, and Feliz Año !! Sandy (Talk) 19:30, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Anal stretching on deletion review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Anal stretching. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Oldak Quill 17:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)