User talk:Yomangani/Archive 9

Why did you get rid of free toast?
Well, why did you get rid of my page? HUH? I wanna get sum answers cos I'm annoyed. Salteds 15:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

List of birds of Nicaragua
Hi, i just want to say thanks for creating the List of birds of Nicaragua. I have been wanting to get around to it to add a subsection of it to Wildlife of Nicaragua but didn't have enough time. So thanks =)
 *  LaNicoya   •TALK•  16:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I sure will, you've been doing a great job with the List of birds! As soon as i finish adding pictures i'll get to it, i didn't know adding pictures would take me more than 1 edit lol.   LaNicoya    •TALK•  01:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Just finished adding the pictures and already nominated the page. =)  LaNicoya    •TALK•  01:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

RE:Mixtec Writing
Your point is taken, but I have another idea. Just because the mixtec article is short, that shouldnt mean Mixtec writing be merged - just that mixtec should be expanded, taking some of the references and information from Mixtec writing that would be appropriate for the Mixtec article. Mixtec writing should have the same rights to its own article as say Maya script (Then again, WP:WAX, but you see my point). That way they can both exist. I would be happy to conduct the expansion, and I',m also happy to further expand Mixtec writing, but I feel that Mixtec writing deserves a right as its own article. (Oh, and I picked up the topic from Wikiproject Mesoamerica, so it was a requested article - someone thought it was needed) What do you think? Thank you for your comments, and I hope for a reply.  &mdash;A • D  Torque 22:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, how does this sound? I'll cut back on the irrelevent information, such as history etc, and add it to Mixtec. Then I'll expand on the actual writing parts of the Mixtec writing article. Does that adress your concerns adequately, or was there something more. If you are okay with this then I will also ask you to be a little patient with the aforementioned expansion of the two articles, because I am on a short wikibreak that will be on effect until May 7th or 8th. However, I should be able to make small edits - probably about 10-15 a day, but alot less than my normal quota. Thanks,  &mdash;A • D  Torque 10:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Birds of Fiji
Damn and blast! I've been working, on and off, for months on my birds of Fiji on my namespace and you go and do it in half the time! Oh well, at least mine is slightly more involved. I guess I'll have to work to merge them now. I'm quite impressed though, haven't you been a busy little bee? Sabine's Sunbird  talk  09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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my RfA
Hi, thank you very much for your kind words in my RfA. They are much appreciated, and I hope I can soon return the favor in some form or another. Please let me know if you have any requests :) Er rab ee 18:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Another furry animal to get to FA
After Platypus and Humpback Whale (well it ain't furry but anyway), there's Elk (Cervus canadensis) for ya...cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 14:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Regards from a hockey goon
Hi there, thanks for all of your great feedback on Fighting in ice hockey. I wish I got that quality of comments on my writing for my real job. :) I believe I have addressed all of your points.  There is only one that I didn't take action on and I wrote my rationale under your comment.  If you feel that I didn't address any of your points, let me know and I will try again.  I'm supposed to be on a wikibreak, but I really want to see this sucker pass. Thanks again --Mus Musculus (talk) 16:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

100th DYK

 * Shucks, and I thought I was doing ok with 16 or so. congrats! :( cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 23:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I'm sure ALoan has at least 300 if you want something to aim for. Yomangani talk 23:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * When I saw your "100" edit summary the other day, I wondered to myself whether I have as many as you, actually. Perhaps I should create a list (my braglist only list articles I have created, not even the ones that I have expanded from a one-liner).


 * My first DYK that I can find easily was Waterloo Vase in July 2005. I think my favourite to date was when I nominated all 5 entries this April, and then shortly afterwards I had written two and nominated another two. For articles I have written, I think my record is three at once at the end of February.  But is not a competition ;)  -- ALoan (Talk) 11:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you must have at least 300 (I'd guess you turn out 2 to 1 against my contributions and have at least a year longer submitting them). Offhand I think only 2 of mine were expanded from one liners: Francis Mitchell and Råbjerg Mile spring to mind, and I think I've once had 2 on the same update. Safety coffin and Desmarest's Hutia both appeared twice on different updates though. Yomangani talk 12:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I doubt I get to 300 - I was much slower in earlier days, and many of my more recent ones are nominations rather than creations or exansions. You have been a bit too modest with your lists of birds, I think - you could have monopolised DYK for a week, let alone FLC, although the "too many articles about X" crowd would have gone potty. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, I have added them up and added a table at the end of my braglist. I make it just over 150 that I have written - 10 to 15 a month since last July - plus another 40 or so that I have nominated (mostly in the few weeks in March and April when I was reviewing the bot suggestions). -- ALoan (Talk) 14:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I may have overestimated slightly, but I would still think you are the most prolific DYKer (unless you know of another challenger?). Why are the bracketed articles discounted and what does † mean? Yomangani talk 15:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The ones in brackets and † and ‡ pairs were DYKd in the same update (so you can see I have quite a few doubles, a few triples, a quadruple and a quintuple).  I haven't intentionally discounted the bracketed ones - they should all be included in the total at the end of each cell of the table. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * (Oh, and you may have spotted that I unearthed one in June - Blue Ant, which I wrote in response to a query on the Reference Desk: the questioner posted some images and asked what they were!). -- ALoan (Talk) 17:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I did see that. You hadn't discounted the bracketed ones, I just had trouble counting as I couldn't see where one ended and another began. The braglist makes some interesting new articles reading it that way: German culture MOBO Awards, Any Questions? Portuguese Inquisition, The Duke of Edinburgh's Award Teddy bears' picnic, Sans Frontieres Twin-to-twin transfusion, House of Representatives Earthquake, Penny lick Blair Babe, Blind Chartered Institute of Journalists, etc., etc. 17:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I should add some separators (· or • or | or, or something). Shrug.

I suspect there are several editors with rather a lot of DYKs too - many from earlier years who are now not so active - User talk:GeeJo/DYK; User:Blnguyen/DYK/User:Blnguyen/Contributions, for example. More recently, User:BigHaz/DYK Collection; User:Howcheng; User:P.K.Niyogi. User:Carabinieri and User:Camptown have been making lots of nominations recently too. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Now I've been forced to count them. Top ten guesstimated DYK contributors as of today by number of articles created, expanded or nominated according to their own lists or notifications (I may have missed people, it was purely on the list you gave above and people I remembered seeing on the noms page):

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 * 1) ALoan - 184
 * 2) Ghirlandajo -180
 * 3) GeeJo - 171
 * 4) Piotrus - 111
 * 5) Yomangani - 100
 * 6) Vaoverland -86
 * 7) Carabinieri - 85
 * 8) Blnguyen - 84
 * 9) KNM -62
 * 10) Camptown - 45
 * Moondyne -42
 * BigHaz -41†
 * Bakasuprman 39
 * P.K.Niyogi - 39
 * Howcheng - 35
 * Brian0918 -33

†Eurovision is tomorrow so expect a jump in BigHaz's figures


 * Yomangani talk 11:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I bet that kept you busy :) Does that include the 8 so far for May on my talk page? I should have thought of Piotrus - there are several editors who have contributed articles related to eastern European topics quite heavily - User:Ghirlandajo for example.  Tracking back from the userbox and the DYK medal, User:Vaoverland claims 86; User:Moondyne claims 42; User:Bakasuprman claims 39. User:KNM has well over 50 and User:Brian0918 has quite a few.


 * I wish you could cut me a bit of slack, given that I have not written any English articles this year. I am the only updater of the DYK section in Russian Wikipedia, however. --Ghirla-трёп- 22:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I think if you just go on articles created or expanded (and not those nominated as well), you come out top by about 30 articles even with no activity this year (I didn't see any nomination credits in your notifications). I think the best idea would be if you come back over here though or ALoan will soon pass you.  Yomangani talk 00:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it is precisely the fact that you have been "away" that makes your achievement all the more remarkable. Please come back! We do miss you very much. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Anyway, Linenfold! -- ALoan (Talk) 00:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That counts everything you had listed yesterday. Yomangani talk 01:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A list honouring say, the X amount of highest DYK contributors/creators etc. would be pretty cool. (Just an idea)  &mdash;A • D  Torque 00:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Spawn Man before he retired had 25 and I have 17. cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 00:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, 45 or more to make the top ten. Yomangani talk 01:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe a list for the top 10 or maybe 20?  &mdash;A • D  Torque 02:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Aww, I didn't make the cool list :(. I've got only 22, and I haven't had a DYK in over three months hehe. I guess I'll get back to work sooner or later. Anyway, keep up the great work Yomangani, and ALoan :-P. Nishkid64 (talk)  00:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, 22s not bad, and I didnt make the list either; Ive only 28 DYKs. 45 is alot... I wonder if I'll ever get there. Oh well, gives me something to aim for.  &mdash;A • D  Torque 06:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I suspect that the 10th place will be more than 45 by then. But this is not really a competition is it ;) Wikipedia is the winner from all of this article creation and expansion.  It is surprising that our coverage is so patchy in so many important areas after such a lot of effort.


 * Top tip for increasing your number of nominations: review the articles identified by the bot at the bottom of the suggestions page - many are excellent, and it is nice to recognise the contributions made by other editors. To increase the number of creations / expansions, I would recommend keeping a Category:Red list of redlinks or stubs to expand; it also helps to review your earlier articles for links that are red or to stubs, and expand them. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course, this is no competition. The list I have recently created documents the 25 highest DYK-ers, but, rather than a competition, I see it as a celebration of some of the hardest working DYK contributors, and a well-deserved recognition of their efforts. (I've left a note on each of the 16 above mentioned DYKers about the list; it is still incomplete as only up to number 17 on the list has been documented)  &mdash;A • D  Torque 11:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Ghirlandajo has suggested that User:Wetman may deserve a place on the list. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Are we counting nominations of other people's articles too? I have a bunch of those that I don't "notify" myself of when I do the updates. If those are included, my count is a bit higher, but I couldn't tell you how many. Even if I went through the archives, I might be able to remember which ones were my noms. :)  howcheng  {chat}


 * Well my thought is that we probably should just count creations.  &mdash;A • D  Torque 21:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I count 40 for for Wetman from the notifications, but I'm not going to update the list here, as I never intended it to be a league table: I was just interested whether ALoan was the most prolific DYKer (to which the answer turns out to be "depends"), and, as ALoan has mentioned several times, it isn't a competition. Personally I'd much rather see someone with 3 good articles which have appeared on DYK rather than 200 trainwrecks, so pure numbers don't mean a lot. Yomangani talk 23:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, discounting my nominations, I would be at around 140. Shrug.  I had not been keeping count until you asked, and now I have another table to update.    I think I may just delete it. -- ALoan (Talk) 00:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, as I've said, you dont have to be interested. Really, it's just for anyone's personal interest, to keep track. I wholeheartedly agree with Yomangani, and I've emboldened my message of a non-competition. I messaged all of you just so, if you felt compelled to, you could update the list when it needs to be, and help make it an accurate recounter. That's all. It's just like the edit count list - just for personal interest, just to sort of keep track and know how the others are doing.  &mdash;A • D  Torque 06:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I find it quite interesting to look at the lists of other peoples contributions, but the ranking seems a bit difficult as there are so many factors: nominations or creations and expansions? creations or expansions? 5x expansions or any expansions? sole contributor or main contributor? etc., etc. Coupled with the fact that many people don't list their nominations, some people list them with their creations, nobody seems to lists creations and expansions separately, occasionally notifications aren't given or admins may not notify themselves, any figures other than wild guesses are hard to arrive at. Basically the people listed above have made a lot of contributions to DYK, but anyone from the list could probably come out as number one if the selection criteria were sliced right (for instance if I remember correctly GeeJo's contributions were overwhelmingly nominations which would probably mean they were either No.1 or not on the list at all). Yomangani talk 11:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Another name came to mind when updating today - User:Circeus -- ALoan (Talk) 15:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

DYK LIST PROBLEM To answer the above, and to make things easier, I think the list should count every DYK notification that a user has documented and can prove. This includes noms, creations, expansions, and I think its also possible to earn one from a hook rewrite. All of these count. Yomanganis right. Its becoming too mixed up. So everything you have documented counts to the list. Of course, if you feel that you want to divide your number into noms and creations, thats possible too. I'm changing the list into a table I think, and inline citations are to be used as refs, to be added to a footnotes section. Does that adress most concerns? In regards to other users making the list - everybody makes the list until we find No.26. As new contesters are found, people will get pushed back until we might have a true list. Many of the people in the top ten may find themselves pushed quite a bit back because of old DYKers. Time will tell. But for now, I'm allowing someone with a minimum of 15 DYKs to be on the list. Any lower than that is just a waste of time, because there is little- no chance they will stay. Thanks, ♣   Anonymous • Dissident  ♠  21:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations User:Yomangani! This is an awesome feat!  I myself had only been tracking my DYKs from articles that I created, at User:Smee/DYK, but in light of the above discussion, I think I shall also add those I expanded from stubs, which so far I think is only one or two.  Smee 06:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC).

Vandalism to your user & talk page
Hi Yomangani, I had to revert some vandalism to the above which included having the page moved and blanked and other various edits. Hopefully I recovered both pages successfully, but I thought I should let you know just in case I missed something! All the best The Rambling Man 16:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Am I being unreasonable?
I have commented here on Guinea Pig FAC - I am keen for others input, either to support if they think I'm nitpicking or to comment/help out etc. cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 23:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Never mind, it's now promoted. cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 00:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Just to Inform you
You and the number of articles you have successfully submitted to DYK has been noted here because you have been discovered as one of the twenty-five highest DYK article contributors. If you feel compelled to continue to update your number of DYKs on this list, and therefore the list itself, then it would be very helpful and help make sure that the list is as up-to-date as possible. If you, indeed, do not wish to be present on this list, then please notify me, the creator. Regards,  &mdash;A • D  Torque 11:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

southeast vs. south-east
Thanks for adding the imperial measurements to Tsuga dumosa. I noticed that you changed all the directions (e.g. southeast) to include a hyphen (e.g. south-east). I just wanted to ask if this is some official Wikipedia policy, because the word southeast is correct and is listed with that spelling in most any dictionary. Thanks! Djlayton4 19:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. I was unsure which was right when I was writing it too, so don't worry. Thanks again, Djlayton4 19:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

'Cause Saturday night's the night I like
-- ALoan (Talk) 09:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, so on Saturday you'll be excited to learn The Parliament Acts are two Acts of poop of the United Hi Shauna! wats up... Yomangani talk 11:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have dug up an excellent new reference from the House of Lords Library. It summarises the academic arguments. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Blood pressure
This edit summary [] was not amusing! Giano 06:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Request help
Hi Yomangani, can I ask your help again to copyedit an article? I know you're so busy now as an admin, but you're a good copyeditor and you have had helped me to furnish Mount Tambora article. Your name crossed my mind again when Indonesia article needs an external copyeditor to pass Tony's concern about its prose during its FAC nomination. Would you please help us as an external copyeditor to check prose, grammar and other writing stuffs? If you can't, then please let me know so I can find another copyeditor, or perhaps you can suggest me one. Thanks in advance. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 16:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I have asked the editor to remove the picture. I found it also awkward. Anyway, thanks a lot for copyediting it. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 08:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Presidency gender issues ;-)
Hi Yomangani

Thanks so much for your work on Indonesia. You really helped it. Please do some more. I hoped you don't mind I fixed one or two bits. That "history of colonialism and rebellion against it" i realise is clumsy, but without 'against it' it missed the point a bit, even if your version read smoother. If you have any other ideas for it, have a go! thanks again. Merbabu 16:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Three Studies for Figures at the Base of a Crucifixion
Hi Yomangani, I nominated the article above for FAC last night, but it has been suggested that it needs a quick going over to sort out some clunky phrasing here and there. I have spent a lot of time ce'ing the page, but at this stage have read and re-read it so many times the words have lost all meaning to me. I note you are one of the few other people to have nominated articles on specific paintings, and your input would be very much appreciated. Thanks. Ceoil 17:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Emsworth
Hi Yomangani. I thought you might have some comments to offer on this thread. I have no idea how I let it get so long. Sorry. Marskell 20:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Ravens and featured articles
Hey I just found out about a whole list of FAs needing stuff done (wow) - bit preoccupied as I've just nominated Common Raven at FAC. If you have time to have a look, holler and lemme know if there's any gross problems which I can fix pronto.cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 03:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Animals
Do you really like animals? Dom58! 13:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Pussycat
Featured article candidates/Cougar. Another to check out. Marskell 13:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Peer review/Anne of Denmark/archive1
I expect you have enough to do without being pestered by me, but I've put Anne of Denmark up for peer review prior to submitting it for FA, and I'd appreciate it if you could give it a look over. (You know how it is, unless one canvasses people to do a peer review, it's unlikely to happen.) Should you respond, please let me know of anything you want reviewing or checking over in return, and I will be on the case. Cheers. qp10qp 16:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your prompt response! Please don't hesitate to ask me when you need a review or whatever (so long as it's on history or literature, I'll enjoy it). I don't watch articles on Wikipedia very closely, so I probably won't notice what you are doing unless you nudge me. Cheers. qp10qp 14:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

List of mammals (eg Zambia)
Nice work on the lists of mammals. A valuable contribution. Just one comment on the formatting. I don't know if the style for these lists is laid down somewhere, or inherited from some master list, but the use of 'rules' (lines) below the headings for Orders doesn't look right. It divides the list into sections and it looks at first glance as if the heading belongs to the section above instead of the one below. This is made worse by the fact that there is more space below the heading than above, rather than the other way around which is the usual convention in typographical design. Then there is the issue of the headings getting out of step with the photos at right. I'm not sure what the solution is, the Wikipedia heading styles and syntax don't lend themsleves very well to this kind of list. Using a table to control layout might be better. Do you know if there is anywhere else where these issues are discussed? Have you thought about alternatives? Regards, Rexparry sydney 03:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried it with the line above, but it looked worse. It is there as a visual hint that a new section has started - I would normally use a second level heading which duplicates this layout (heading above line), but the layout of the TOC demands a forth level heading. These lists are all generated semi-automatically, so using tables is difficult to manage effectively, and I'm not sure it would add much anyway. As to the images getting out of step: they are chosen on a random basis with some calculations to try and work out the appropriate number of images per section. Sometimes it doesn't get it quite right, but if you notice it throwing the formatting out you can remove an image to pull it back in line (or just live with it, personally I don't find it too offputting). Yomangani talk 14:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Bejesus! You are a busy person. Birds and mammals. What about list of reptiles? Amphibians? Fish? Beetles? Butterflies? Dragonflies? Ants? ... -- ALoan (Talk) 08:59, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If I can find an authoritative source that I don't have to copy out of a book by hand I might get round to them too. The mammals were considerably harder than the birds and (sigh) I'm already having to correct them. I was hoping to finish off An Experiment on a Bird in the Air Pump this week too. Ho hum. Yomangani talk 11:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Medal

 * Where the discussion thread all started. Quite impressive.  Thank you for your contributions to the project.  Yours, Smee 03:53, 24 May 2007 (UTC).

Westgate-on-Sea FAC
I think the problems with the article have now been fixed. Epbr123 10:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Oxyrhynchus
Are you going to dig into this soon or should we go ahead and remove it? Marskell 11:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

PREBAP
I've stuck my comments on the PR page, even though it's been archived. Please remind me when it goes to FAC, as I don't always pay attention. Good work. qp10qp 21:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Honi soit
Sorry, you're right, "honi soit" is old French, I wasn't aware of that. Alas, honni soit qui mal y pense. X10 22:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries, an easy mistake to make. Yomangani talk 23:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess most Americans now think that the proper spelling in French is honi, which it isn't. X10 20:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It might be worth adding a footnote to the article pointing out the modern spelling. Yomangani talk 00:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Spring Heeled Jack
Hello there. In Featured article review/Spring Heeled Jack you write Nudge me if it's headed for Remove.

No offense intended to those who have labored over the article, but I first thought it was rough, and said so on that page; and shortly afterward decided that it was quite staggeringly awful, and listed some (but not all) of the reasons on its talk page. You may wish to argue with what I say, to curse me, to have me blocked from editing, or (probably best) to organize an emergency maintenance drive for an article that's nowhere near featurable. I might help a very little (it's not that I want to destroy the article, rather, the reverse); but I don't have much time or access to a library that's good for this kind of thing. All the best with it. Morenoodles 06:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi and thanks for the reply. I was kidding about myself, but not about the article. It looks like something written by thirteen-year-olds. The more I dig into it, the worse it gets. "Featured"? Say it ain't true.


 * I can't deal with this. It's out of my areas of knowledge (and, largely, interest). I believe that there are some intelligent writers on 19th-century (non-) events and on social psychology in Wikipedia; couldn't some of them be persuaded to help out? The paranormal crowd will probably just make it worse. And as it is, the article either should be instantly demoted or makes featuredom a laughing stock. Morenoodles 09:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)