User talk:Yonatan/Archive/Archive-May2007

commons:Image talk:Singapore mrt lrt system map future.png
Noted, but I have no expertise in image editing. =) Ariedartin JECJY Talk 14:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

OTRS
I am not sure about what I am supposed to do after a page is blanked per copyvio, other than fowarding the mail where permission is granted. Should I only wait for the official restoring? or there is another step? Rjgodoy 06:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Just a little something to make your day


has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. --Trampton 23:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 April 30
Theres been a little mix up at Images and media for deletion/2007 April 30. I fixed thebainer's request, you posted, I undid your post, you removed thebainer's post and now there is not a single post! Just thought I'd let ya know rather then propagate more confusion. --Iamunknown 08:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I added back in the original listing. --Iamunknown 08:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Template help
Thank you, very much for the help on the Project Alabama welcome template. I'm in your debt! FYI - it has been renamed. Вasil | talk 13:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Willing to take on a second mop?
Hey, I've noticed you doing good work on Commons as an admin and you're pretty active here as well (not to mention the OTRS stuff). Wondering if you could be tempted to go for the mop here as well... Some of our most backlogged speedy deletion cats are well within your area of expertise... I suspect you've already had a few nom offers so wanted to encourage you to accept them. And if you haven't - I'd be really surprised but very willing to do it. I think a few more admins who are sysops both here and on Commons would be a good idea. WjBscribe 00:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd have been really surprised if I'd got here first. Let me know when you're ready and your nom's written his bit and we can decide then if I should co-nom or just support strongly :-). WjBscribe 00:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Wherebot
Hello. Thanks for your interest :).

The main issue to adapting Wherebot for the Hebrew Wikipedia would be Unicode support. Alnokta and I tried to adapt Wherebot to the Arabic Wikipedia, but we had some problems. I posted what we changed so far. It still looks like the python code needs some adjustment.

Aside from that, you will need to change the lines that have the text "#CONFIG" on them.

Let me know if you need any help with anything. -- Where 02:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Adoption Request
I noticed you had adopted users in the past and also that you are a native Hebrew speaker. I would be interested in being adopted by yourself if you are willing. -- Martian . knight 01:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. -- Martian . knight 01:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Flattered? How so? -- Martian . knight 01:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The Hebrew work piqued my interest originally, and then having a look through your contributions, the diversity of work. I must ask though, if you have any suggestions about what I have done in the past and what I can do in the future. Thanks. -- Martian . knight 01:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I just installed Firefox and am loving the power, with WP:TW and teh like. So I think I will be doing a bit more anti-vadal work. But I was thinking more what fields you could suggest. -- Martian . knight 04:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Have you considered putting your details onto the adopters' board thingamyjig? -- Martian . knight 08:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Australian categories
Please take it to the Australian Project noticeboard - non-one believe me as I have spent the last month or so tagging the australian categories - no-one appears to either have them on their watchlist or ever reads the page summaries - if you dont go to the australian project noticeboard - no one will ever know (apart from maybe me) cheers SatuSuro 04:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC) -

Vandalism
Actually, I wanted to keep the vandalism there as "proof / evidence" to show the Administrator. How do I do so? Thanks. (JosephASpadaro 06:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC))


 * Thanks for your help. (JosephASpadaro 14:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

Haha, yeah I know, thanks for the rv too. -- Martian . knight 06:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Work for me
Thanks for the suggestions, but I still need a fair few more edits (I think) before I am able to use those tools. I might see about AWB and VP eventually, but not sure yet. Most of my editing is done on a tablet that I don't have administrator access to so can't install anything.

Adding references doesn't particularly inspire me, but thanks or the suggestions on categories and disambiguation. I had never really thought about it before.

About the copyright side of things for images, I wouldn't mind hearing about it as you come across them, having extra things to do stops one from losing interest.

This is certainly what I was looking for. Thanks. (Please forgive me if I end up leaving behind myriads of typos, I am trying to improve my typing but it does not seem to be working :S) -- Martian . knight 06:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I was wondering, I have been trying to find a list of redlinks that need fixing, and haven't managed to discover anything yet. If you know about these things, please let me know. -- Martian . knight 08:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Sirius Black
As straighforward as it could possibly be: סיריוס בלק. BTW, you could have simply hit the link to the Hebrew Wikipedia from the Sirius Black article... I don't check Wikipedia every day. --woggly 12:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review of tv personality categories
As far as the actors by series nomination, there was a deletion review already at Deletion review/Log/2007 February 20, and unfortunately despite the fact that those who wanted to delete the categories were fewer than those who wanted to keep them, their deletion was endorsed. Following this, this type of category was added to the guideline Overcategorization. I believe that unless substantial opposition to certain parts of that guideline is generated, any further deletion reviews are unlikely to be successful.

It seems to me that the people who most wanted to get rid of these categories are also the most fond of process and know how to work it to their advantage, and those who most wanted to keep the categories tend be those who aren't really interested in arguing over policies and guidelines. I count myself in the second group :) I would support any deletion review you want to go for, but I fear that there is little chance of success. Tim! 17:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Redlinks
I am not sure if there is any such list, but I was wondering if there was a page that listed all links on pages that do no link to anything. Whether this is because there is no page that exists for the link or the link has not been entered correctly, (ie. Wolverine(comics) instead of Wolverine (comics)). I was just wondering. It has now occured to me though that I could go to the non-existent page and use the "What links here" button. Not sure though. Thanks for the help. -- Martian . knight 23:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, thanks anyway, I have been using Lupin's Anti-Vandal tool for a bit now, it is not too bad, with popups and WP:TW. I just wanted to see if there was anything else to break teh monotony. -- Martian . knight 23:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Image deletion notice
Hello. You recently left a note at User talk:PNG crusade bot saying that Image:Allographs_for_t_and_k.png has been nominated for deletion. However, I don't see it on the Images and media for deletion page. Was its nomination withdrawn? —Remember the dot (talk) 21:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

GFDL-presumed tag?
Well, what's the reason? I was told by another admin to use that tag when it was an image taken by the user or owned. (I see a lot of tagging people using pd-self for that purpose now. --Kolrobie 23:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Aleuritesmoluccana1web.jpg
You have marked this image, that I uploaded in 2004, for deletion. However, when you look at the original website, you can see that the original authors Forest Starr and Kim Starr only ask for "attribution" and that otherwise the photos have no restrictions. Having uploaded many unique photos from their website (part of the website of USGS.gov) to be used in botany articles, I ask you to reconsider the deletion of this image. JoJan 08:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I took the photos from the website of Plants of Hawai, which belongs to the USGS. The author Forest Starr can be reached at fstarr@hawaii.edu. If this photo has to be deleted, hundreds more will have to be deleted as well. Most of these photos are unique and badly needed. JoJan 08:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Mops & stuff
I was just talking to Lar and I see he has started the ball rolling. I am very willing to co-nom if you would like me too, but I think his noms is good and to the point. It might be better if I just add a strong support once you've listed it. No big deal either way- just let me know which way you'd prefer :). Best of luck, WjBscribe 19:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I don't think its very impotant- more a case of personal style. I'm not actually hugely keen on co-noms and would rather just get in an early support, but was leaving it up to you... Best of luck, WjBscribe 20:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Seen it and commented :) ... WjBscribe 21:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:WPF
Nah, not a big deal. I'd just prefer the talk page to contain material directly related to football, not Wikipedia-related goings-on. - Dudesleeper · Talk 02:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wellll, I voted in favour of deleting it here, but it doesn't bother me all that much. It's a little too eye-catching for my liking, but not as bad as those damn flags. - Dudesleeper · Talk 02:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Password change

 * Thanks. Real96 showed me how to do it, so it's all good. ^_^ JuJube 04:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Termite Cathedral DSC03570.jpg‎ and other systems images
Hi, I saw you nominated this image for speedy deleting. The reason why I created this document was that because I'm working with the WikiProject Systems to improve the quality of systems related articles. One of my actions is to stimulate the use of pictures in the about 300 (to 1000) related articles. One way to stimulate this is to draw attention to this pictures by getting them listed in the systems categories.

If this is against Wikipedia policies I would like to know... and off cause stop my intitaitves in this direction (and you can do some more work in the field of systems). So please tell me which official policy I offended? - Mdd 18:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if there's an exact rule that deals with this issue. However, pictures that are on commons are usually not put in Wikipedia categories. You are more than welcome to add them to categories on commons, and then add commonscat to the main category to link it to the commons category (the same template works with articles). By this you'd be achieving the same purpose without mixing articles and commons pictures in the same galleries. Anyway, good luck with your work on WikiProject Systems. Yonatan talk 22:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this respons. I'm already working in Commons to organize the images and categories around systems, and I made cross references here between commons and wikipedia. The thing is (like I said) that I want to promote the use of images in the field of systems. For most of the editors Wikimedia Commons is still far away. If the images are in the categories they use themselves, they maybe get motivated more to use them. Off cause I am going to try to promote the use of images more... but making them visible in Wikipedia seemed to my like a good first step.

I seems to me that there is a sort of conflict here between the Wikpedia administrators that wants to organize everything as efficient as possible and a WikiProject entrepreneur who wants to initiate all kinds of (maybe inefficient) initiatives to improve the situation. Some articles in the field of systems, like systems engineering have been edited for 6.5 years and alterted more then 450 times (talk about inefficiency). But never in that time one image was added in that article.

I want to do as much as I can to keep things efficient, but I think the gap between Wikipedia and WikiCommons is to big this time. I for example, wrote most of the articles about systems theory in Holland, but didn't know there was a category of images to be used. Is there a way we can work this out and both be satisfied? - Mdd 23:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well like I said, adding the corresponding commons category to each Wikipedia category would be the best way to make people aware of the commons category. Maybe a technical solution allowing people to view both the Wikipedia category and the Commons category on the same page would be a good idea? Either way, you bring up a good point that people aren't all that familiar with commons so a way of showing them pics that correspond to the categories, outside of commons might be a good idea. Maybe you can add the pics to the categories and then once they're added to articles delete the local pages that enlist them in the categories or alternately make a list of pics and the categories they correspond to and a bunch of people from WikiProject Systems can go around adding them to articles accordingly (I'd be happy to help with that, I suppose). I think we might like to try getting other people's views on this... Yonatan talk 23:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't quit understand what solution your proposing, but I also don't understand exactly what the problem was/is. I'm working for all the editors and readers in the field of systems, and I want to show them articles and pictures... or picture thumbs. I was under the impression, that it was a good idea to add tumbs to the categories. It is a reminder for editors and a nice extra for all the visitors, who will not go looking in WikiCommons themselves.

Now I'm under the impression that I'm missing the problem. Maybe you where under the impression that I was up to now good... but as I tell you now, I have a vision about it... that the categories become a nicer place with the images for editors and visitors. It only cost one article structure, with one line of text. The image is in other articles allready... But am I missing something here...?? - Mdd 23:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, first of all I wanna make something clear, I am 100% positive of your good intentions. ;) Secondly, I think the long term goal would be to have all the images in commons categories that are linked to from the English categories but I'm not sure if it's just me who sees a problem with adding pictures that are on commons to categories on en. Personally I think the categories here should be reserved for articles while the categories on commons should be for pictures but this is just my view and I'm not sure if it's one that's shared by the community. Also, as I said, it might be a feature that should be requested - having the ability to view a category on commons and it's corresponding category in English as if they were one category on one page. Anyway, I gotta go to sleep now so I'll respond tommorow. Yonatan talk 23:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok good night. A question for tomorrow. An important matter seems to be the mixing of images and articles in categories. My question is if you have a aesthetical problem with this mixing. or are there serious technical problems with people having old computers, who can't look at the categories anymore.

I've been around for almost 3 years now and I have seen people criticize the coming of categories, and the making of new lists since then. Here there were no technical dificulties... It was mostly aesthetics.

I think that the first priority must be the service for the users of wikipedia. Now in the field of systems everything is very abstract and words and articles can only explain part of the story. Just looking at pictures of systems related items can also tell part of the story. I think that presenting images or images thumbs in systems categories is a surplus. It is more then looking at articles in wikipedia and looking at pictures in wikicommons. To use one of our favourite expressions: The whole is more than the sum of the both.

I don't know if you have seen the category:Systems engineering. I uploaded the 80 files here, also giving them a logical name. In the systems theory article there is a list of systems terms, and in this category I also created a sort of lexicon. Only this is pitural lexicon. This works if you give the images a consistent name... but I realize my intentions can also be to good... So I'm open for suggestions. Regards - Mdd 00:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Now one day later, I realize that the condition of the category:Systems engineering and it's articles is still far from perfect. Perfect would be if the articles speak for thereselves and contain a good amount of images. The easiest thing to do is to set some good examples ourselves. And we are working on that. In the mean I would like to create as little chaos as possible. So if there are things I can improve... please let me know, regards - Mdd 19:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The real world
Hi. I'm considering Ribery too, amongst others. I think the whole squad needs improving - many of the fringe players aren't performing as I'd like. Sʟυмgυм • т • c 20:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

The image
Move to WP:PUI instead Why must wikipedians on purposely pick faults in every single image on wikipedia?!?! Besides, even if it is not free, there is no need for a deletion request; the license can always be "changed" if I made a mistake. Withdraw this request and move it to WP:PUI if there is a problem. Because it possibly is public domain as it was taken by an average person and they have not put any restrictions on it. Telcourbanio Care for a talk? 16:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)