User talk:Yoninah/Archive 1

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Thanks for great edits
I just wanted to thank you for the great edits you did to African American literature. Hope you enjoy Wikipedia. --Alabamaboy 7 July 2005 01:01 (UTC)


 * Good work on Belz! Btw, you don't need to use four tildes in the edit summary. JFW | T@lk  21:45, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Anonymous edits
How long are you editing the page before you hit preview? A long time, or only a few minutes? Jayjg (talk) 21:57, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I reverted that; I put the reason why in the comments. You have to be very careful about changing spellings in an article, as they often are links to other articles, and changing the spelling breaks them. Also, putting "Rabbi" before every mention of a person's name is bad form. The other edits seemed reasonable, but there were so many issues that I couldn't sort it all out. Your problem may be that you are taking to long, and so it logs you out. You should preview every 5 minutes or so to remind Wikipedia that you are still logged in. I hope this helps. Jayjg (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

If I may interject, your problem may stem from the browser you're using. Have you tried Mozilla Firefox? Also clicking the "remember me" box at login may (or may not) have an effect. --Briangotts (talk) 22:12, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry I made you waste your time. Editing section at a time is better anyway, it's safer in terms of losing edits. Jayjg (talk) 22:21, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Belz
From that article it seem like each member didn't give $10,000 "in Israel most local Hasidim do not have much to spare" I don't see anywhere that it says that each member gave that much money. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€  08:35, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Avraham Yeshayahu Karelitz
Wikipedia uses the most common English transliteration, regardless of Jewish tradition. Jayjg (talk) 14:19, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Chassidim
Hi Yoninah, I've noticed your ongoing high-quality work on Chassidus articles. While I'm a Yekke myself I'm quite fascinated with history of Polish Chassidus, to the point that I wrote up Simcha Bunim of Peshischa. There must be plenty of others that could do with a nice brief article with good source material. Any ideas? JFW | T@lk  19:29, 8 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Your neighbour's articles may well be under the Yated's copyright. Could you ask him to clarify? There is always the risk that the Yated articles need extensive editing for style and NPOV before they can be used in Wikipedia. JFW | T@lk  19:19, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Of course it is very difficult to cite everything from sources. Some information is widely available, yet the source is hard to identify. Sometimes a good collative source is better than 100s of individual sources, although I try to attribute major views/interpretations straight to the original source. JFW | T@lk  22:52, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not suggesting you proceed in any specific way. The work of your neighbour sounds very interesting, and if it is adapted sufficienty may not even be a copyright problem. Good luck. JFW | T@lk  23:11, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Welcome
Hi, I have noticed your work and wanted to welcome you. IZAK 09:43, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Me too -- you popped up on my watchlist for the Breslov page which I have worked on, along with other Breslov-related pages. (Yes I'm a Breslover.) Your many additions to the Breslov category are excellent! The Rosh Hashanah kibbutz page is wonderful -- I had that on my to-do list but you beat me to it, and did a better job than I could have re: a lot of history I did not know. I added a couple things and made a few minor edits, but on the whole, it is totally AWESOME! Rooster613 13:29, 29 September 2005 (UTC)Rooster613

Great contributions.
You only just appeared on my watchlist after editing Meir Kahane, but the rest of your contributions, even minor rewordings, are top-knotch. Keep up the good editing. Shem(talk) 08:10, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

African American lit
If you have a second, could you check out a discussion I'm involved in at Talk:African American literature. This German guy has an issue with how African American literature is structured b/c the article describes Black literature while following the history and politics of African Americans. To him, bringing history and politics into a literature article is wrong b/c the article should totally focus on art, form, aesthetics. I've already pointed out that Black lit is tied in with the history and experiences of Black people in this country. I also showed that Literature of the United States, English literature, Tamil literature and so on follows the basic sociological and historical framework that this article uses. However, I don't think any of this is going to convince him. I get the feeling that he would rather discuss Black literature without actually having to mention Black people at all. Any support or comments you can give on this would be appreciated.--Alabamaboy 13:05, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Many many thanks for the comments!--Alabamaboy 18:22, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for the support. I can't believe this is going on. I mean, tons of editors worked on this article, either in writing it, fixing it up, critiquing it for FA status, and so on. I've also agreed with almost all of Albrecht Conz's issues, with the exception of restructing the article. What, are we supposed to give in on everything just to keep him happy? Pain! Severe pain! Anyway, thanks again! --Alabamaboy 01:46, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know if Albrecht Conz will be back, but I assume he will (he tends to take a few days between his comments). But with the defense of the article by you and others, I don't feel like such a voice in the wilderness in defending it. In addition, other editors can see that the consensus view is that the article is fine as is (at least, I hope this is true). Once again, many thanks. I am in your debt. If I can ever be of assistance, please let me know.--Alabamaboy 23:52, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

"Kiryat" vs. "Qiriat"
Well, this is a hard question. Wikipedia policy Suggests using the most common English form, which in this case would probably be "Kiryat" (compare, , ). Hebrew transliteration rules (see ) allow both K and Q for kof, while yod is transliterated as Y (in this case), so both "Kiryat" and "Qiryat" are correct. I think "Qiryat" is used in the official English names, the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics uses "Qiryat" (see ), and so does the Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies (see, although there are a few mistakes there with other names such as Zanz instead of Sanz).

I think there should be a consistent naming convention of Hebrew and Israeli names throughout Wikipedia, so I shall make a suggestion under Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions.--Doron 06:18, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Pale
I added in a source. I pulled it originally from the pogrom article, but your message made me track down the original. I found the info in "Jewish Representation in the Independent Ukrainian Governments of 1917-1920" Henry Abramson, Slavic Review, Vol. 50, No. 3. (Autumn, 1991), pp. 542-550. Good job on the editing by the way. I also wanted to suggest, if you don't know, that a great source of public domain text on Jewish history is the Jewish Encyclopedia of 1906. It is a little ideosyncratic, however, so most inserts need to be edited a lot, but it is useful as a starting place. --Goodoldpolonius2 20:55, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

ISBN numbers
Is there a particular reason you are putting the ISBN numbers after book references? All this does is refer the reader to a list of publishers and booksellers. I doubt many readers are going to actually scroll through that to find Breslov books, which most of those places don't carry anyway. Plus, ISBNs change with new editions. The more usual thing is to put the author, title, publisher, city of publication, date of publication, page numbers. You are listing only the publisher with no city or date.(??) I haven't seen anybody else here using the ISBNs and I personally find them distracting. And a bit commercial-looking, although they do not go to particular businesses. Rooster613 00:24, 3 October 2005 (UTC)Rooster613 (yes, this was me -- forgot to sign my name)
 * Re: ISBNs, if wikis want them there, OK, but maybe we should confine them to lists of refs at the end of articles? They look really weird in the article itself, especially if people don't know what they are (and a lot of readers don't.)  I think we should ALSO put in the other pub info (city, date, etc.) for us oldsters who prefer to use libraries or go straight to publishers' sites  This will be my last post for a while -- Rosh Hashanah is tomorrow eve.  Shanah Tovah! Rooster613 00:24, 3 October 2005 (UTC)Rooster613 (again)

Nice Job
Nice edit on Bagel. Thanks. Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Can I get your vote?
I have been nominated for an adminship and I was wondering if I could get your vote. If you feel inclined, please go to Requests for adminship/Alabamaboy and cast your "yes" or "not in a million years." Many thanks.--Alabamaboy 02:29, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my RfA
I know I've been slow in saying this, but thanks for supporting my request for adminship. It was an honor to be both nominated and approved as an admin. If there is ever any adminish (is that a word :-) things you need help with, please let me know. --Alabamaboy 16:06, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Hebrew naming conventions
At the present time there is a serious discussion taking place, aiming at some consensus that will result in "official" Wikipedia guidelines about how Hebrew should be used and written in Wikipedia articles. Because of your past or ongoing interest in these type of articles with Hebrew words in them, your attention is called to Naming conventions (Hebrew) TO  MAKE  YOUR  VIEWS  KNOWN  AND  TO  ADD  TO  THE  DISCUSSION  BEFORE  THE  "DOORS  ARE  SHUT"  PLEASE  SEE  THE  RELATED  DISCUSSION  PAGE  AT Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Hebrew)  Thank you! IZAK 02:16, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Ma'alot
Hi Yoninah: See the mess about the Ma'alot article Can you correct it? Thanks. IZAK 10:03, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Cities with significant Arab Israeli populations
Hi again Yoninah: Please see the Vote for Deletion (cfd) for Categories for deletion/Log/2005 December 4. Thank you. IZAK 12:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

vote
Hi, there's a vote on at Talk:Mormon views about Mormonism and Judaism. People want to move the article that describes the Mormon views on Judaims to "Mormonism and Judaism". Just thought you should know. Izehar (talk) 00:23, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Rejection of Tanakh
Hi Yoninah: Please see and vote at Categories for deletion/Log/2005 December 12 where it is beeing suggested that the word "Tanakh" is "not neutral", and I am trying to explain to them that it is in keeping with NPOV to convey the way Judaism uses certain terms to describe the Hebrew Bible/Tanakh. Thanks. IZAK 15:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

New vote for pro-Tanakh
Hi Yoninah: Please see Categories for deletion/Speedy for ANOTHER vote to rename the following. Thank you, IZAK 16:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh --> Category:Tanakh
 * Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh events --> Category:Tanakh events
 * Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh people --> Category:Tanakh people
 * Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh places --> Category:Tanakh places
 * Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh prophets --> Category:Tanakh prophets
 * Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh-related stubs --> Category:Tanakh stubs
 * Category:Jewish texts/Ketuvim --> Category:Ketuvim
 * Category:Jewish texts/Nevi'im --> Category:Nevi'im

New vote for Tanakh moved
You can find the NEW vote to rename Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh --> Category:Tanakh etc. now located at Categories for deletion Thanks again. IZAK 17:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Hebrew Alphabet
Saw this message, what do you think of it? IZAK 06:22, 25 December 2005 (UTC):
 * "I have rewritten the articles on all the Hebrew letters here and before I replace the pages, your input would be appreciated. Thanks! Sputnikcccp 16:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)"

User:Fischersc's Old Testament categories
They appear to be duplicates of pre-existing Tanakh categories. They should probably be deleted. Jayjg (talk) 04:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * By the way Yoninah, we already have Category:Torah people and Category:Tanakh people. IZAK 05:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Tanakh / Torah / Old Testament
Hi Yoninah: Please see my discussions with User:Fischersc at User talk:IZAK, your input would be appreciated. Thank you. IZAK 04:22, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Technical hint
Hi Yoninah: Thanks for participating in the discussion about Hebrew Bible etc. I just wanted to give you a small bit of help (it also saves time when others re-edit those pages). For example: When you want to write "Californian" you need not write Californian. Wikipedia technology allows one to write Californian (Californian) (by just adding the "n" at the end) and it will work the same as writing the two long words in full seperated by a "|" sign. Of course this is only in the case where the last letter would be a natural part of the desired next word's spelling (as with the "n" in Californian, or the "i" in Israeli), but when a word's final letter differs from the word you want to write, then you have to write the full words, as in Zionists (Zionists). Hope this helps. Best wishes and Shabbat Shalom. IZAK 05:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Do not be discouraged
Hello Yoninah: Thanks for your questions and do not get discouraged. Often, writing Wikipedia articles is more like a tug of war between contributing editors because any article may be edited by anyone on the face of the Earth with access to the Internet. So carefully choose those articles that are important to you, keep an eye on them on your "my watchlist" section (always check it when you log on), and use your discretion when you have to intervene to save what you deem to be important information. By the way, why have you not included your Email in your "my preferences" section and check where it says "E-mail - Enable e-mail from other users"? It will remain private and restricted information. This way you can receive Email through Wikipedia but your Email address will never be revealed to any user (unless you choose to reply to them from your own private Email account). The system is basically very safe, and from my experience in over three years I have not found it to be abused. Sometimes there are messages that do not have to be published on User pages and they remain private when done by Email. IZAK 09:37, 4 January 2006 (UTC)