User talk:Yoninah/Archive 23

DYK Van Gogh
Hello Yoninah, I have a DYK coming up. It's the painting of Vincent van Gogh, and I see it's been added to prep area 4. I was wondering if you could add it to another prep area and use the image of the painting? I was looking forward to seeing it on the main page. Thanks. - HappyWaldo (talk) 01:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't put it in an image slot because I think the image is too dark at thumbnail size. But the hook will be seen on the main page. Best, Yoninah (talk) 01:06, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Another expedited DYK review request
I have, after a break of several months, finally done another missing-person case article timed to an anniversary a week from now. Do you think you could review the nomination in time to get the hook in the right queue? Daniel Case (talk) 07:05, 7 September 2018 (UTC) ok
 * And here's my latest one ... the nomination is here. Daniel Case (talk) 07:33, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I read through your article and just have one question before reviewing it: What if these people didn't do it? Then you've got a whole article tracking their court dates and almost nothing about what really happened to Heather Elvis. It almost seems like Wikipedia has targeted the perpetrator and is just waiting for the judge to agree. Yoninah (talk) 23:03, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, they have both been convicted of crimes related to the disappearance, in open trials at which the state's evidence and the defense evidence were reported contemporaneously as well as in this article (reliably sourced), and the prosecutors as well as the Elvis family have expressed the same frustration that despite all this they are no closer to learning what happened than they were five years ago. I think at the moment they're waiting to see how retrying Sidney will play out now that a jury convicted his wife (although I wonder how much more time the courts will give them to do that ... you can't leave a defendant hanging (ahem) after a mistrial forever; that's unconstitutional). Daniel Case (talk) 23:46, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

error
Hi... I think I made an accidental edit on your user page whilst reviewing one of your dyk. Please correct it. My apologies. Only have phone at moment. I’ll complete review tomorrow. Looking good Whispyhistory (talk) 15:07, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

The True Confessions of Charlotte Doyle
Hello, thanks for your edits to this article, but there's no need to fix links to redirects that aren't broken. Graham 87 07:18, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * what are you referring to? Yoninah (talk) 18:51, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_True_Confessions_of_Charlotte_Doyle&diff=859835373&oldid=859835039 This edit of yours]. Graham 87 01:24, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * but Newbery Honor redirects to Newbery Medal. I was trying to avoid a redirect. Yoninah (talk) 11:16, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that's exactly what I was trying to tell you; there's almost never a need to avoid redirects like you did there. Graham 87 13:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Shmuel Dovid Ungar
Dear Yoninah, as I see at the latest side : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmuel_Dovid_Ungar, the date of birth is again correct. Where do you have the right information from? There is another unclearness about the date of dead - on the left side: 21 February, on the right: 9 February. At the Rabbi`s tomb is written that he died 9. Adar 5705, which is according to hebrew date converter - 22. February 1945.

Kol tuv. Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.245.193.10 (talk) 15:29, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 36
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Topol
Hi Yoninah, Thanks for Chaim Topol GA. I think "At an October 1963 awards ceremony" should be 1964 (error in ref 49). The photo of recipients says 1964. This says Ephraim Kishon won the Kinor David Prize in 1964 and Kishon is in the recipients' photo on Topol's article, and Kinor David mentions the award only started in 1964. I've searched but can't find anything to replace ref 49. Regards, JennyOz (talk) 03:44, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks for the note. I also couldn't find a better source, but I used the Walla! one during the GA review. I deleted it now. Yoninah (talk) 01:13, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking Yoninah. Could you simply use this as the ref? JennyOz (talk) 02:27, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * that's great, thanks! Yoninah (talk) 13:53, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Chaim Topol
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Grappenhall Heys Walled Garden
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Working with Lemons
Please could you rescue the Template:Did you know nominations/Working with Lemons which you archived at 23:06, 22 September 2018. Fram pulled it from Queue 4, but left it in limbo and it needs unarchiving. Thanks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:10, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Yoninah (talk) 19:18, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK nominations with multiple articles
I have attempted my first DYK review with multiple articles at Template:Did you know nominations/Dallas B. Phemister. Did I do it correctly? I am also curious if it's possible to have three new articles in a hook? I'm in the process of writing three related articles, and I would like all three to appear together on a certain day in February. Is that feesible? Flibirigit (talk) 16:26, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi you did a great job with the double hook. I checked the 5x expansion, copyvio detector, QPQs, and everything checks out. I formatted the image for you. BTW since the image is fair use, it cannot be used on the main page.
 * We have had hooks with over 50 new articles! (See Did you know/Multiple Article Hook Hall of Fame.) Just try to keep the character count in the hook as low as possible; see Rule C3. Good luck! Yoninah (talk) 17:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the FYI on the photo. Flibirigit (talk) 22:51, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

I have another nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Tommy Lockhart, which is being contested by the reviewer since it has a WP:FAIRUSE image in the article. I'm confused here. In my understanding, a fair use photo cannot be on the main page, but the article can have a fair use photo in it. Could you please clarify. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 23:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Marc Kligman
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

American Bank Note Company Printing Plant
Regarding your rating, could you give me some insight into how you determined the quality rating? I'm surprised it was rated so low. What improvements would you suggest to get a higher rating? -- RoySmith (talk) 12:15, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * you're right, I probably did rate it too low. I'm not an expert on these things; I was just trying to give it some rating, and it looked like a solid C at least. Feel free to update it yourself. I hope you'll go for GA. Best, Yoninah (talk) 14:34, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. But, let me ask your opinion.   I'm not sure if the History section, for example, is useful background, or just fluff.  Likewise, for the amount of detail in the Significant tenants section?  Both of those were significantly longer in my earliest drafts, and got trimmed a lot as the article developed.  I'm wondering if I would do better to trim them even more?  -- RoySmith (talk) 14:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Let me take a look later when I have more time. Yoninah (talk) 14:57, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Special date request
Hi Yoninah, there's a DYK special request hook that's been approved but hasn't been moved to the special occasion area yet ;) Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I know. But I suggested ALT7 and you like ALT6, so I asked Cwmhiraeth to do the promotion. Yoninah (talk) 01:45, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, not that one ;) I was referring to the one for October 21. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:46, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Sorry, I didn't read your post closely; I'm busy watching the Yankees-Red Sox Game. Yoninah (talk) 01:50, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK correction
Please be careful, you literally made this a thousand times worse. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:26, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps even 10,000 times worse... &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:18, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * OMG I don't even know how that happened. I was just trying to eliminate the sea of blue around the name and company. Thanks for catching that! Yoninah (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Get ready for November with Women in Red!
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC) via MassMessaging

First attempt at a multiple article hook for DYK
My first attempted at a multiple article hook for DYK is here: Template:Did you know nominations/Ridder Arena. Could you check to see if I have done things correctly? Thanks! Flibirigit (talk) 01:25, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * yes, everything looks good. I formatted the hook for you. Yoninah (talk) 01:59, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Sophie Getzova
Hi! I am hoping that you can help me with translations and a mystery regarding Getzova, whose article I have just started. From the Hebrew WP entry, I located these sources: and, but as they are photographs and not text, I have no way to read them. I am also thoroughly confused by the information contained on her tombstone, as various date converters indicate that the dates on her marker are off by decades. Can you help? Thank you. SusunW (talk) 16:34, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . The first source looks like a good biography of Getzova, but I don't understand the Hebrew expressions so well. It will take me more time to go through it and pick things out. It says she was born in Minsk, BTW. The second source is not important. In an effort to find more in English, I found this excerpt in a New York Times article:
 * "The Cache That Got Away: Archivists all over the world cooperated with Jehuda Reinharz in his research for the first volume of his biography of Chaim Weizmann. But he was frustrated and disappointed when he was refused access to a cache of letters, perhaps as many as 200, in the cellar of a house in Los Angeles. Weizmann wrote them to Sophia Getzova, the young medical student he left in 1901, after a four-year betrothal, for Vera Khatzman, his future wife. Miss Getsova, herself an important early Zionist, never got over the shock, the author said in a recent interview. 'Her friends took up the cudgels on her behalf. And they and some of their descendants have kept up the enmity toward anything that has to do with Weizmann. I went to see the woman who holds the letters in Los Angeles to persuade her to let me have them. She was adamant. It's a great pity, because we don't know much about the first 20 to 25 years of Weizmann's life. I suspect that besides personal matters they would also have discussed Zionism. Everyone has tried to get those letters, including a former president of Israel.'"
 * Further searches for Sophia Getzova on Google and Google Books only bring up her engagement to Weizmann. Some of Weizmann's (unpublished) letters to Getzova have sold at auction. Here is a short biographical sketch: . Here are interesting notes on p. 227, note 114 and p. 59, note 131.
 * Searching for Sonia Getzowa, I come up with this (see entry #587).
 * Where is she buried? The Hebrew dates on the tombstone correspond to October 8, 1872 – July 11, 1946. Even if her birthdate is inaccurate (lots of people in Russia lied about their age for various reasons), I would trust the tombstone on the death date. Yoninah (talk) 22:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see she's buried at the Mount of Olives. I really never get over there, but if I ever do, I'll look for her grave. Yoninah (talk) 22:13, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Take as much time as you need. Obviously the bits will take a lot of time to sort through. I have 4 different birth places for her as it stands. Am trying to get a copy of a biography in German on her, but who knows if I will be able to find the source. I am actually away from home, it's my 35th anniversary week, so I am on and off sporadically for a few more days. As I said, anything at all you can help with will be great. Thanks for the sources. SusunW (talk) 22:35, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Happy anniversary! Yoninah (talk) 23:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've made quite a bit of progress with this since you last looked at it. The author of her biography in German sent me the chapter on Getzova and Ian was a dear to translate the German. I still haven't figured out how to write about her research, as mostly it is unintelligible to me, but I have asked for help elsewhere. I am wondering if you have had time to translate the Israeli bio and if you could correct the Hebrew dates in Note 1, as obviously the translation machine is giving me incorrect information given your dating vs. the conversion programs. Thanks for any help you can give. SusunW (talk) 21:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi I'm glad to hear you're making progress. I haven't done the Hebrew translation yet and I don't know if I'll do a great job. But I've put it back on my list and will hopefully get to it in the next few days. Yoninah (talk) 21:48, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Elnora M. Gilfoyle
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Isaiah Sonne
Hi Yoninah, following on from Biblioteca della Comunità Israelitica, where you made some contributions and reviewed the DYK I decided to create and article on Isaiah Sonne, who partly catalogued the contents as what I read about him intrigued me. I'm no expert on Jewish biography but, judging from the list of articles you have created, I would say you are. Would you mind having a look at the article and improve it if you can and have time? Turismond (talk) 06:19, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Granby, South Carolina
You were right, Granby had 2500 views and Quaker gun 10k. Thanks again for the help on this one. MB 13:25, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * :) Yoninah (talk) 14:31, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Shmuel Rodensky
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 134
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Society of Authors, Composers and Music Publishers in Israel
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Jean Yancey
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Opener (baseball)
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Rachel Shapira
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Tree of Life – Or L'Simcha
Very well done. Thank you so much. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  17:18, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you! Yoninah (talk) 17:34, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for moving Tree of Life – Or L'Simcha! Can you please move Rodef Shalom Temple > Rodef Shalom Congregation, it's official name. See rodefshalom.org to verify. Previous editors already had it correct in the lead and infobox, but the article title was never corrected. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 17:30, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Dick Megugorac
You are invited to join the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Dick Megugorac. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:15, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Day of the Dead-related hook for DYK?
Hi Yoninah, I know you work on the DYK queues as well as reviewing DYK noms. Betsabeé Romero has been okayed on the DYK nominations page. One of her proposed hooks (with cc2.0 image) would be appropriate for November 2, the last day of the Day of the Dead. I've put it into the suggested dates section, but I thought I would ping you as well, since I don't really know how the process works after the approved check is given. My thanks for all your hard work, Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 03:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

April Fool's DYK
Do you think that ALT0 proposed at Template:Did you know nominations/Lyle Wright is suitable for an April Fool's nomination? Please ping me in response, thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 04:50, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

License to spell
I don't pay enough attention to spelling to notice if it's American or British, & I've used d/m/y since I was about 10, whatever the subject. (BTW, Canadian, but I tend to lean more to U.S. spellings.) I thought the original writer's usage stood, except to fix in-page inconsistency. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  10:05, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, that hasn't been my experience. All my pages about Canadian subject were changed to Canadian spelling, and DYK hooks about British subjects must begin with the prefix "the" ("the doctor", "the sportsman", etc.) Thanks for responding. Yoninah (talk) 17:23, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * IDK if it's a hard guideline, or anything, but I've heard "leave it be" is good practise. I'm not consistent enough with U.S. or Brit to even notice if I'm "switching", so if somebody comes in behind & standardizes, no worries. Just don't think I'm going to be doing it. :D  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura  02:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Adminship (again)
Greetings, Yoninah. I know that I (and other folks) have suggested before that you run for adminship, and I know you've declined, but with due apologies, hear me out, if you will. I'm suggesting this again after this recent discussion. The last time I asked you cited your unwillingness to shift your area of activity: but really, you wouldn't have to. Your work at DYK itself is a strong enough need for the tools; and even if you used the tools infrequently, it would ease the burden on the rest of us. I would be willing to nominate you, and I'm sure there's plenty of others who would be willing as well, many of whom are more qualified than me. Please, consider it. If you're absolutely sure you're not interested, though, I will respect that choice. Vanamonde (talk) 19:20, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you for your show of confidence. I read the page you cited and understand the need for more administrators. But getting involved in deleting spam and blocking vandals, as one editor summed it up, is not my cup of tea and would also take away from the time I do have to work at DYK and write new pages. Being an admin would take me away from being one of the 3 editors that build prep sets to make me one of the 3 or 5 editors that promote prep sets to the queue; that doesn't even balance out. And, as another editor noted on that page, I'm not the kind of person who likes getting yelled at and arguing over everything. But thanks again, Yoninah (talk) 21:04, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, that's sort of my point though; you wouldn't have to get involved in anything except DYK and ERRORS and still be an asset as an admin. There's plenty of specialized admins, and they're quite as necessary to the functioning of the project: indeed I suspect there's more specialized admins than those of us who work across the board. My offer of a nomination stands, if you even change your mind. Vanamonde (talk) 21:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 133
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I liked that one especially! - Next Psalm 102, because someone expanded. We sang Hear My Prayer today, but I will need to find out if it's connected ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Psalm 24 could be the next, I began, now your turn, and I could add if not enough. Should be before Christmas. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll try. I haven't been able to do much content creation lately because my new computer glasses aren't working. Yoninah (talk) 16:38, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Mentor request
Sometime next week, I want to try building a DYK prep set. Would you have time to mentor me through the process? Flibirigit (talk) 17:23, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure! Yoninah (talk) 18:39, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to finish a big essay by Friday. I hope to browse through the instructions this weekend. Flibirigit (talk) 22:05, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I have attempted my first prep set build at Template:Did you know/Preparation area 5. Your feedback is appreciated. Thanks! Flibirigit (talk) 03:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it looks pretty good. Hook selection can be more varied/shuffled, and a quirky hook would enhance the set, but most other boxes are ticked. Keep up the good work! Alex Shih (talk) 09:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on your first prep set! I have a few observations:


 * Try not to promote similar subjects. I moved the second football hook to another prep.
 * Alternate bios and non-bios. I shuffled the set and made room for another bio.
 * Be aware of too many hooks citing years. I tried to shuffle those too.
 * Separate hooks from the same country.
 * Best, Yoninah (talk) 11:07, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestions. I didn't think that soccer football and gridiron football were considered similar subjects, but that's me. Flibirigit (talk) 14:39, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * they're both a type of football. Besides, they're both sports hooks. There are enough approved hooks that you don't need to duplicate hook subjects in the same set. Yoninah (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I have completed my second attempt at building a prep set at Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6. Your feedback, Yoninah and is appreciated. Thanks! Flibirigit (talk) 22:06, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice mix of bios/non-bios! Nice mix of subjects and countries! Just be aware of incorrectly piped links; I usually fix them in the nominated articles as well. Great job! Yoninah (talk) 09:38, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention that each promoted page needs to have some kind of rating on the talk page. You could add ratings, or at least replace question marks in the boxes with ratings like "class=start" and "importance=low", before you promote a page. Also, check "What links here" to make sure the article is not an orphan. If it is, ask the nominator to link it in at least one other Wikipedia page so it won't be tagged as an orphan. It takes me over an hour to build a prep set because many of these minor details weren't taken care of by the nominator or reviewer. Yoninah (talk) 10:04, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sorry,I overlooked talk pages. Flibirigit (talk) 12:13, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Wow! Thank you very much! Yoninah (talk) 23:52, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Please restore my ALT1
Which you've undone here claiming the the template is closed - then a minute later you reopened the template, but did not restore my edit. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:57, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Request for help with a page on Rukhl Schaechter
Dear Yoninah,

I started a page on Rukhl Schaechter, which you can see at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rukhl_Schaechter&oldid=867879009. The new page patroller who reviewed it replaced the page with a redirection to The Forward. This same new page patroller has put in AFD requests on other pages I created--each time, I've been able to explain through the AFD process why I think the page should exist, and none of these pages has been deleted. But I don't know the appropriate way to argue with replacing the page with a redirection!

I remember that when I created a page on Rachel Freier, you vastly improved it, and you've created many pages on Jewish Women in Red. Can you help here?

Many thanks, EAWH (talk) 18:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Here are additional articles on Rukhl Schaechter, which ordinarily I would add to the page myself in order to help show notability: EAWH (talk) 18:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * https://boulderjewishnews.org/2018/how-the-forverts-is-being-transformed-in-the-digital-era/
 * https://barnard.edu/magazine/winter-2017/love-yiddish
 * https://www.thejewniverse.com/2013/how-do-you-say-cooking-show-in-yiddish/
 * I'll be happy to look at the page, but next week. In the meantime, perhaps you could start a draft in your sandbox and we can work on it there. She does look notable. Does she have a page at the Jewish Women's Archive? Yoninah (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I've got a draft up now at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EAWH/sandbox There were several red links to her, but she does not have a page at JWA. EAWH (talk) 15:54, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

A bot suggested that the draft in my sandbox could be submitted to the AfC process, so I tried that and it worked! The page has now been restored to the text I wrote, and I'm not currently looking for further help.

Thank you for the suggestion to put a draft in my sandbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talk • contribs) 11:52, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Binah Magazine
Hi Yoninah, looks like the magazine is published in the US, but just distributed in the UK and Israel - maybe shipped over to these countries, or printed locally. Seems like 'published in the US' would be okay, but do you have further details? I did a quick check on Google but couldn't find anything worthwhile. Thanks, 31.52.166.58 (talk) 17:47, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry - something else: Are you familiar with Jewish culture? If so, you might be able to clarify this statement in the lead - "It debuted in Elul 2006". Not knowing any better, I thought 'Elul', was a place from this description, but it's a time period. Maybe the equivalent Gregorian period should be put in brackets. It seems like this would be August-September, but this would need checking for 2006. 31.52.166.58 (talk) 17:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Talkback
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi. Interesting perspective on the synagogue shooting disambig/AfD. I've been trying to ;figure out how to frame this.  We do have categories that cover these.  interested in your thoughts.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * the only valid page I could think of is one for List of attacks on houses of worship; then that could be subdivided into churches, synagogues, mosques. There are so many kinds of attacks that we shouldn't limit it to shootings. (Personally, I think the nominator is just being influenced by her edits to Talk:Pittsburgh synagogue shooting and Talk:Tree of Life – Or L'Simcha Congregation.) Yoninah (talk) 19:42, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably. Deeply shocking event.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:07, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * While I'm here, would you have a look at Moshe Basson, new article. Would it make a good AfD?E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:40, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll look at it in a little while. Yoninah (talk) 19:42, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I don't think I'll add that part. It was a tough, dark time.  but there are those who regard ruining people's lives as a triumphant achievement.  Why give them the satisfaction?E.M.Gregory (talk) 02:09, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like he's pretty famous in Israel – see his Hebrew Wikipedia page here. But if someone's only collecting English-language sources, most of them are here, so it may be better to redirect this page to Eucalyptus Restaurant. Yoninah (talk) 21:09, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * moved to Eucalyptus Restaurant.  Added images, tweaked, expanded a little and added a Linda Gradstein feature story about the place.  You really should have dinner there sometime.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:05, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * So what now? Are you leaving it to me to fix up your article? I don't have so much time now. Yoninah (talk) 13:43, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I tend to back off from pages where POV-pushers are rude,  aggressive, and WP:NOTHERE; one such has been hounding me and had followed me here, to a story about a cooking eggplant with chicken!   I will take a deep breath get back to work.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Which book?
I'm one of those people that notice non-sequitur's or close relatives thereof:
 * At the time of the book's publication ...

in section Life for author David_Benedictus just leaps out at me and asks "which of all his books are we talking about?" Oh, well, the DYK mentions You're a Big Boy Now, but the preceding paragraphs of _this_ article mention others too. Oh, and the lede mentions Return to the Hundred Acre Wood, which is the more current title...

Does the third paragraph of the author's Life section reference his latest work? Shenme (talk) 00:57, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * sorry, you've lost me. Perhaps you should ping the article creator? Yoninah (talk) 01:09, 13 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Beg pardon, I'd seen your recent edits, and you mentioned re: DYK's, and hoped you'd know more about the subject/article. I'll try to track down someone who knows. (I *really* like DYK's, but often wonder if they get examined closely enough...) Shenme (talk) 01:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Eucalyptus restaurant
Also, not sure 'balance' is really necessary for DYK articles? And further also, as you clearly have a lot of experience with DYK, I may need some hand-holding to turn everything into check marks for you. I'm clearly doing it wrong lol. valereee (talk) 15:45, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * an article can't be one-sided, all good things to say and nothing bad, appearing self-promotional. But if I really can't find something negative, I'll let you know. Your check marks are perfect! When the review is finished, you simply use one of the review icons located above the edit window. Yoninah (talk) 15:49, 13 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi. I have edited the maqluba section for tone.  I have also created  incoming links.  Where I have failed is in finding negative food reviews.  They may exist in Hebrew, but in English, restaurants in Israel are either written up by travel writers (who focus on places tourists will enjoy,) by food writers (who also focus on places where the food is great,)  and then there are articles with titles like "Three Must-Visit Restaurants In Israel," by wirters whose goalis to pick 3 good ones.  I have no objection to balancing the article with negative reviews, but after several days on this topic, I have not seen them.  Is there anything specific that you would suggest that I expand on?E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:47, 14 November 2018 (UTC)


 * It's me again. I have done a better job on the restaurants locations, history, founding date.  I am, however, having increasing doubts about this being a page about a restaurant; the man and the restaurant are so tightly intertwined.  Several profiles of the man, going back to the 1990s.  And a great many articles about his flying off to various cooking contests and food events in Europe and the U.S., him as a pioneer of modern foodie foraging, of upscale locavore in Israel, of creative cooking in Israel (old-timers describe the food scene in Israel as a wasteland pre 1990s.)  I guess I'm really not sure to what extent we do separate articles on notable chefs who spend a lifetime developing a single restaurant.  Perhaps it really is all one, and certainly it doesn't really matter for the purposes of this AfD DYK.  Is there anything else, specific that I should do?E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:54, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If both chef and restaurant are notable, we can do two articles. I'm just sitting down to work on the article too. First please answer: why do you keep calling it an AfD? I thought you wanted to delete it in the beginning. Yoninah (talk) 21:41, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Because I'm tired and doing this with one hand while I'm on deadline in the real world.  A thousand pardons.  I do a lot of AfD, very little DYK, and those were typos.
 * No prob. I actually thought you were trying to say Article For DYK. :) Yoninah (talk) 21:48, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I cannot access footnote 1, "Our man cooks slowly". Could you email me a copy of it? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:20, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. by tomorrow morning at the latest.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm done for now. I think you have enough sources to start a page on Moshe Basson. He won some culinary awards in Italy. I could add Hebrew refs if you want. Then we can propose a double hook. Yoninah (talk) 23:05, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * . I have begun a draft of a Moshe Basson biopage in my sandbox. I don't know how to separate out an article that has been directed to a restaurant article when it's ready to go live, but I am guessing that that you do??  I am also rethinking the horror of the bombings at the beginning of the century, not sure whether to include it in bio or restaurant page.  There are articles that detail his loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars, which makes his financial and professional recovery recovery pretty heroic.  - Our man writes slowly;-)  But I will keep working.  You are a wonderful (patient, tolerant, generous) editor to work with. E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the high praise. It's actually a simple page move, once you learn how to do it, but I will be happy to do it for you. I'll add more material to that article. I think you shouldn't get caught up in the emotional aspects of the intifada, but write "Just the facts, ma'am". It's part of the restaurant's history that he closed and reopened the restaurant. Best, Yoninah (talk) 17:30, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Please send me the link to your sandbox article. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Memory is such a variable thing. My quandary is how to phrase the date of opening of Eucalyptus.  Basson has given a number of interviews in which he variously recalls that date as 1986, 1987, or 1988.  I suspect thay he doesn't thiink it;s very important  whether it was 86, 87 or 88, and hasn't bothered to check.  Some of these interviewws were with well-known journalists, all in reliable publications.  Maybe I'll just say "in the late 1980s." and give a few good sources.  draft is at .E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Is there something more that I can usefully do / find / fix here?E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:39, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Our Man Cooks Slowly
Our man cooks slowly: [Magazine Edition] Glazer, Phyllis. Jerusalem Post; Jerusalem [Jerusalem]10 Mar 2000: 20. If local chef Moshe Basson can beat Morocco in a couscous competition while under time constraints, he can win the Slow Food Award with his eyes closed.

Moshe Basson may be cooking slowly, but he certainly is getting places fast. The Jerusalem chef's nomination for the Slow Food Award in Bologna in October came as a surprise. "It's very exciting," he admits, "because I'm not embarrassed to say that I enjoy compliments, and this is a wonderful compliment. It means that what you're doing not only tastes good, but also succeeds in preserving 'historical food.'"

The award will be presented to five people who have distinguished themselves as "guardians and leaders of taste and promulgators of slow food values."

For the uninitiated, Slow Food is an international movement founded in 1986 in Turin, Italy, as a response to the effect fast food was having on our society and life, eroding our culinary heritage in the guise of efficiency. Today, Slow Food is more active than ever, with 60,000 members in 35 countries, and worldwide respect for its values and initiatives.

Basson's entrance into the Slow Food competition was made possible by Al HaShulhan, an impressively designed Hebrew food magazine published and edited by Jana Gur, who is also a member of the 600- member jury.

Other candidates include men and women who breed livestock, work in kitchens, invent something new, are active in environmental and conservation projects concerning food, and are guardians of food heritage. These are "the unsung heroes" who believe in saving what society ignores or believes to be lost.

To get a sneak preview of our candidate was no simple task.

Basson, chef and proprietor of Eucalyptus restaurant, is not easy to find. It isn't necessarily that he's cooking (since he has a battery of cooks, primarily women, with ethnic backgrounds who range from Syrian, Kurdish and Sabra to Polish).

He's also not necessarily in the dining room, greeting guests and putting the final touches on a makluba (upside- down rice casserole of the Persian persuasion) that he prepares right before your eyes.

If you're lucky, you might catch Basson by cellular phone, since he's most likely to be somewhere in the hills of Jerusalem, combing the fields, clipper in hand, looking for wild plants and herbs that will - just hours later - make their way into your soup, stuffed vegetables, or stew.

Iraqi-born Basson remembers being in love with food from his earliest childhood. "My parents owned a bakery in the Arab village of Beit Safafa," he says, "where we used to produce Iraqi pita, halla, and other breads. Our oven used to serve the Arab women who would come in and drive me crazy with the scents of dishes my father would never let me taste because we kept kosher."

And then there was dessert. "On Arab holidays, they would come to the bakery to bake their incredibly rich sweets," he fondly remembers, "and on Jewish holidays, we would make our own, like halva and zangulla (snake-coiled rounds of dough), and my uncle would deep- fry them in the hot oil and let me dip each one in the syrup."

These same women were the first to teach him about the wild edible plants that grew around the village, while his father taught him how to recognize and use the herbs and vegetables he grew in the yard around their home in Talpiot.

It was in this yard that Basson planted his first eucalyptus tree one Tu Bishvat when he was a child, and it was there that the first Eucalyptus restaurant was built.

His family life also gave him a religious background, which led him to search for food references in the Torah, Mishna, and even the Koran.

It's no wonder then that when he grew up, Basson chose food as a profession, but instead of staying in the kitchen, he prefers the field. Hankering to produce wild herbs commercially, Basson soon surrounded himself with sheep, goats and quails, wild herbs, unusual lettuces, asparagus, and even the first butternut squash ("dalorit") grown in Israel. His knowledge of food and his ingenuity even led to the development of the first Yarden (oyster) mushroom in this country.

The year was 1988 when his brother Ya'acov opened a workers' restaurant in Talpiot, built around the eucalyptus tree, and asked Moshe for culinary advice. Under Basson's guidance, the food began to take on a new perspective and edible wild plants were incorporated into the menu.

The clientele grew from word of mouth. "Some people call me a food archeologist," he says, "because I 'unearthed' old recipes that were dying out with the increasing reliance on fast food."

And like a true food historian, he has great respect for the indigenous populations that inhabited the country over the course of time. He understands that the cuisine of any country originated from those civilizations. He deeply believes that eating those foods in their natural season is the healthiest way to eat, since this is when foods are at their optimum and retain their true nutritional value.

"Although I respect my colleagues in the professional food world, I take my hat off to the women throughout the centuries who were the real designers of native cuisines in whatever country they lived," he says.

"It was the women who learned to turn seasonal foods into the traditional dishes to feed their families. When I want to learn about Ethiopian, Arab, or Persian food, for example, I go to learn from the old women."

Today, when he wants to try out new recipes, he often asks his guests for their opinion. "It's worth a lot more than a discount," he explains, "because to serve a free cup of soup costs virtually nothing, but it tells them that I value their opinion. And I do."

When Basson was informed that the location of Eucalyptus was to be turned into a shopping center (he's still waiting to see it), he decided to close the restaurant and take six months off, traveling and tasting throughout Thailand, Africa, Turkey, and Cyprus.

"I always let my nose be my guide," he admits with a laugh. "I remember one time in Thailand my friends refused to go into some hole- in-the-wall restaurant because they were afraid of getting dysentery. But my nose told me that the food there was safe and delicious. They ended up going to a fancy restaurant and getting dysentery - and I was just fine!"

When he returned, Basson re-opened his restaurant on Rehov Horkenus and remained there for four years before moving to his present location at Kikar Safra.

In the meantime, his special view of food caught on - he has had customers from around the world and articles about his food have appeared in newspapers and magazines like The Washington Post; Travel and Leisure; and Conde Nast.

Basson has also cooked abroad. For Israel's 50th Independence Day, he was invited to the Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C. to give a demonstration class and make dinner for guests. "I decided to use mallow ('hubeza' in Hebrew/Arabic) for one of the dishes," he recalls, "and I naively thought I'd be able to go into the fields around Washington and find it, but I didn't. I must have mallow, I told them, and no one knew what I was talking about, but finally a grower was located in California, and I was presented with kilos of beautiful fresh mallow flown in especially for the dinner."

Another high point in Basson's career occurred last September, when the Israeli cultural attache in Italy invited him to participate in an International Couscous Championship in Sicily. He was intimidated, and suggested that he invite a hotel or restaurant chef with Moroccan or North African roots who specialized in couscous, but the attache refused. "I know you make unusual food," he insisted, "and I want you to do it."

Not that couscous was foreign to Basson. "I used to serve it in Eucalyptus," he told me, "until the restaurant moved to its second location which was right down the street from Darna, the Moroccan restaurant. Then I said to myself, let Darna specialize in couscous. I'm taking it off the menu."

It's no wonder Basson was intimidated. Other contestants at the championship included chefs from Algeria, Tunis, Morocco, and Sicily. Libya cancelled when they heard that an Israeli chef was participating, and the Egyptians just didn't show up.

It wasn't until he got there that Basson and his assistant Sarit were informed that Moshe had to cook couscous for 200 people the day before the championship, as well as design a couscous made with a fish he had never seen for the competition.

The first problem would be solved with the aid of students from a cooking school in Palermo, who were particularly useful as the 200 turned out to be 1,700 people. But what would he do about the second problem?

In a stroke of brilliance, Basson decided to present his couscous as "Manna from the Sky"; he dedicated it to Sicily by using purple and violet eggplants along with a native Sicilian fish.

He removed the inner flesh from the eggplants, cut it into cubes and deep fried the shells till they turned a blueish sea-like color, filling them with chickpeas, garlic, basil, and hot pepper. Next, he added cardamom to the fried cubes and served them on the side, and stuffed the fish with lemon verbena brought from his garden. All this was served with a sauce that included fresh fava beans with basil, cherry tomatoes and a garnish of nigella and pomegranate seeds - and couscous.

In a competition where the rest of the candidates merely made traditional couscous, this "nouvelle couscous" was simply out of this world. It's no wonder then that our man in Sicily won First Prize.(copy pasted article).E.M.Gregory (talk) 03:12, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Liamani Segura
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Template:Did you know nominations/Marcus Macrinius Avitus Catonius Vindex
Hello again. I left you a message on that nomination page, but you haven't responded yet. Please respond so that the review can continue, thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:19, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * sorry, I saw your pings but I was busy elsewhere. If you think ALT3 is properly verified, then go ahead and approve it. Personally, I don't see an inline cite for the dona militara award. Yoninah (talk) 13:42, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * I'm very touched. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 01:06, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Moshe Basson
I see that you have recreated a page on Moshe Basson. That's fine in itself but there's a lot of duplication between this and the article about his restaurant. Please could you set about removing it and using links where appropriate? Deb (talk) 08:19, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. Yoninah (talk) 11:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

TOL fundraising
Yoninah, in the Tree of Life shooting article I recall you were the one who did a great job of creating or copy editing most of the content in the Fundraising section. I just wanted to let you know that the $205,000 that was raised by the Jewish Federation of Greater Pittsburgh (at the time you last edited the content) has now ballooned to $3.65 million! I found out when I came across this story a few days ago in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. I thought you'd be the best person to update the info in the article since you're the one who did such a good job of writing what's currently there. Also, I see that the big GoFundMe campaign reached its $1.2 million goal. Thanks. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 18:17, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Eir Aoi
Hi Yoninah. Is it okay if you give this nomination a review? I requested a special occasion date on her birthday on November 30, so I was hoping it could be reviewed as soon as possible. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ no problem. Best, Yoninah (talk) 00:44, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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First World Congress of Jewish Women, Vienna 1923
Hi Yoninah. In connection with a bio on Anitta Müller-Cohen I have just started, I discovered this congress was held in Vienna in 1923. I see there is no coverage on Wikipedia. It is surprising there are so few records. See ]. Apparently one of the presentations was in Hebrew., ||year=2005 I see there is further information at, but I can't access it. Can you find anything else, maybe in Yiddish or Hebrew. Don't worry if you are too busy. Perhaps can also help.--Ipigott (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * In Hebrew it's called הקונגרס של נשים יהודיות. There's a section on it at he:הקמת הקונגרס של נשים יהודיות; you could plug it into Google Translate. Here are more sources: Jewish Women's Archive, footnote 7, opening speaker Regine Ulmann, history of ICJW. Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:07, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your suggestions. Unlike, I am not at all happy about incorporating Google translations from languages I don't understand. In the end, on the basis of your suggestion on Jewish Women's Archive, I managed to identify some good German-language sources, especially which gives a pretty detailed day-by-day account of the congress. Nearly all the speakers (and their presentations) are identified but unfortunately only by their family names. If anyone can access the actual programme, it might reveal more exactly who they were. Many of them no doubt deserve their own biographies. I must say I was very surprised that nobody had thought of covering this important event until now.--Ipigott (talk) 18:49, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't get the ping yesterday, weird. I have access to the Alexander Street press. Will send to you. Hip deep at present but I'll try to help. SusunW (talk) 19:29, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * let me know if you had trouble with the e-mail. Thx SusunW (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess it's easier for me to use Google Translate for the Hebrew because I can see where it makes mistakes in the Hebrew! But I'm not at all familiar with German, so I'm glad you found those sources. Best, Yoninah (talk) 10:38, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * SusunW has now very kindly sent me the proceedings, 143 pages in English and German with all necessary details. I'll try to pick out the most important developments but it will probably take a few days.--Ipigott (talk) 11:11, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Yoninah, I remember not too long ago, you said you would be happy to support new WiR articles for DYK. It seems to me that this one is already sufficiently well developed to be more widely publicized, especially in the light of the way Jews were treated in Austria and most of the other countries represented at the congress in subsequent years. A possible hook could run "that at the 1923 World Congress of Jewish Women in Vienna, it was resolved that all should assist in supporting the resettlement of Jewish refugees in Palestine." I don't really think a picture would help unless we can find one of the congress itself.--Ipigott (talk) 14:07, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * yes, I thought of nominating it if you didn't. Are you doing any more expansion on it in the next few days? Yoninah (talk) 14:11, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your speedy response. I did intend to keep working on it but would be happy to wait a week or two until the DYK has been approved and posted. I don't want to upset anything. Thanks to, I have already identified a number of participants who deserve their own Wikipedia articles but that should not upset the DYK. Neither should the addition of wikilinks and coverage of the congress in related Wikipedia articles.--Ipigott (talk) 14:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * see nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/First World Congress of Jewish Women. You can continue expanding the article; I would suggest adding subheads for the speakers and topics sections. I might do a little editing there myself :) Yoninah (talk) 21:25, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Uh oh. The source doesn't say anything about Jewish refugees. Should we reword it:
 * ... that the 1923 World Congress of Jewish Women in Vienna unanimously resolved to support the settlement of Jews in Palestine? Yoninah (talk) 21:33, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I changed the wording. Yoninah (talk) 09:58, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's fine. One of the other citations mentions refugees - but that's a minor detail. Please go ahead on that basis. And thanks for all your help.--Ipigott (talk) 10:11, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

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Experienced editors like you need to keep a close eye on the edits of Ash Carol at Pittsburgh synagogue shooting and Tree of Life – Or L'Simcha Congregation. They are doing everything they can to get bris content, as well as non-encyclopedic details and analysis, into the two articles. Also look at some of the sources they've added, in which they include quotes about the alleged bris when they're formatting the citations so that they'll be displayed in the refs section. This editor is obsessed with trying to get as content about the alleged bris into the articles. See the talk pages. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 17:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps a certain editor is obsessed with censoring mention of the reliably sourced bris? I'm not sure why. Ash Carol (talk) 20:05, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I suggest you read what other editors have told you. How many accounts are you or have you edited under? And how many accounts have you used to edit the two articles related to Tree of Life? 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 03:58, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Michael Robinson
Please check out Michael Robinson (rabbi), not my normal topic ;) - I remember Thanksgiving with him speaking to the community in a Catholic Church, and loved it. There's much more detail in Allen Secher about the incidence covered by the NYT. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Psalms
Some queries about editing of Psalms (templates) Its useful to have the Hebrew text of Psalms (although other editors are removing texts like that from pages and saying that they should be in the wiki source project and linked to, from wikipedia) but is it fair to make the page so Hebrew-centric. I added the Greek septuagint text of the Psalm, for example, which is as significant to many Eastern Orthodox, as the Hebrew text is to others. But you then reverted the text back to Hebrew (only) on the page as that fits with a template that is being applied across other Psalm pages. A template which insists on "only" Hebrew is at risk of making a negative value judgement about the beliefs of those in the other communities who consider the Septuagint to be a divinely inspired version of the biblical text and therefore of equal importance and value as the Hebrew. Editors may well disagree with such a view. But should Wikipedia editors be making value judgements about people's beliefs ? Shouldn't Wikipedia be impartially reflecting all the view points (ie not insisting that one language is "better"). On a more general point, the template listing psalms at the foot of the page uses both Hebrew and Greek numbering eg 110(109) to make sure that each Psalm has a unique reference, regardless of whether a reader is coming to the Psalm from a Hebrew or Greek/Latin background. I think that's helpful, as Wikipedia's wider policy is to ensure pages are uniquely referenced. But the Psalm pages themselves are titled with a single number, like "Psalm 110" - so each of the 150 Psalm pages is actually ambiguous between the Hebrew and Septuagint numbering, and the ambiguity has to be sorted out in the first line of the article, which is often a bit messy and confusing for readers. It would help if each Psalm page was uniquely and unambiguously titled - using the numbering system in the reference template at the bottom so that titles and template references were all consistent and unique. Perhaps ? Perferens (talk) 20:56, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you for your post. I am pinging for her input here. If you feel that the Septuagint version is important, perhaps you could make a separate chart or list, as we have for the Hebrew and King James Version texts, rather than combine the texts. Regarding the lead, I personally think it's very clear, stating first the psalm number (from the original Hebrew/KJV) and then stating the Septuagint number. But if you're suggesting something different, this may have to be brought up for consensus at WP:WikiProject Bible or WP:WikiProject Judaism. Yoninah (talk) 21:29, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * (watching, replied before reading Yoninah's answer:) It helps when each page is uniquely titled, that is why the English Wikipedia follows the original counting, giving the different Septuagint number in bold face with an explanation. Throwing two numbers at a reader who may know nothing about the topic seems not helpful to me. The English Wikipedia also gives prominence to the original Hebrew, and English. All other languages are translation, and can be found in several databases. If you want to change that, suggest on an article talk page and try to find consensus. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

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DYK query - Cameron's Seafood Market
Hi, first, thanks for all your great work at DYK! It's much appreciated. A query though, why did you remove "Maryland-based" from the hook? I'm not making a big complaint, I'm just curious. One of the reasons I thought the topic was interesting (and that I worked on it) was because it was a Maryland story. If you don't think it's appropriate, that's fine. I just thought I'd ask though! --Elonka 02:28, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for asking. I felt that the name of the state made the hook too long; we always aim for tight, snappy hooks. Also, Maryland means very little to all our Asian and South American readers. I just felt that the name of the market and the fact that it was selling crab meat was enough. BTW I was really attracted to your original hook wording, but then I found that he's a former NBA player. Oh, well. But I think it still works, and that's why I put it in the "quirky" slot. Best, Yoninah (talk) 02:40, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that makes sense. If I may ask another question though, why add the word "former"? Granted, Gilbert Arenas is a former professional basketball player, but couldn't the case be made that he is still a star? Even in his article, "Arenas is a three-time NBA All-Star". It just sounds a bit odd to me to say that he's a "former" star. --Elonka 01:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I read the article and saw that he's no longer in the NBA, so that's why I added "former". To call him a "three-time NBA All-Star" takes the hook into the realm of promotionalism. We are walking a fine line here between writing about the seafood store and promoting it. Yoninah (talk) 02:13, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't mean to add all that to the hook. Just to remove the word "former" which you added? I just don't think it sounds right, grammatically, to refer to someone as a former star? --Elonka 02:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry it doesn't sound right to you. But I looked at Gilbert Arenas and noted that he hasn't played in the NBA since 2012. The source that verifies the hook fact was printed in 2018. We must be faithful to the sources on the main page. If you're not happy with the hook, I could return it to WP:DYKN and you could suggest another one. Yoninah (talk) 12:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, just for accuracy, the source says he's a former player, not a former star. I think some of the confusion is that there tends to be separation between whether he's referred to as a member of his former team the Wizards, in which case it's always "former player" or "retired player". In terms of the "star" status of the entire Association, the sources refer to him both ways, present and past. For example, "NBA star" present tense, or "Three-time NBA all-star" but others in past tense, "former NBA all-star", or "retired NBA all-star". So I withdraw my objection, my apologies for quibbling! Thanks for your patience in answering my questions, and again, thank you for all your work on the other DYKs! --Elonka 17:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK preps
I'm just seeing if you're finding errors in my nominations and that's why they are being skipped over. I'm guessing it's a very small possibility, but it would help ease my mind if I know. I admit that I'm not the most patient person and the backlog has been aggravating. SL93 (talk) 19:51, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * actually, I'm not selecting hooks based on who nominates them. I'm trying to balance the sets (avoiding too many Holocaust, submarine, interstate highway hooks, etc.). But I'll be happy to take a look now for one of yours! Yoninah (talk) 19:54, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok. That explanation relieves me because I thought I might have been doing something wrong. SL93 (talk) 19:56, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I promoted Clara Lanza. While you submitted a nice image, I didn't put it in the image slot because the hook isn't so lead-hooky. Yoninah (talk) 20:15, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I went ahead and edited the sentence in the article to reflect the hook's wording. SL93 (talk) 20:18, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

8 December
Did you see my wish for a special occasion, a queen's birthday, on DYKTALK? - For the season, we may want to look at Psalm 24, - that one can go to DYK! Sorry for being behind with my part, the queen's music had to come first, and I have another one for GA in mind. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Hina Kino
To be honest, I don't really care. To be honest, I kind of wanted to withdraw the nomination anyway, I just wanted to salvage the work I did in some way and didn't want to see a nomination of mine fail. This was a valuable lesson for me in any case and it will make me more careful in choosing what stuff to nominate. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:54, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Yoninah (talk) 22:59, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK questions
Yoninah, sorry I haven't been saying much lately. I have stepped back from DYK due to a lot of recent criticism of my set building. I may just go back to writing instead. I did notice that Template:Did you know/Queue/4 has two LGBT hooks. Do you know if that's intentional for a special date? Flibirigit (talk) 18:51, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to hear that. We just went to two sets a day (16 hooks), so we're going to need more prep builders. What exactly went wrong?
 * I didn't notice two LGBT hooks in Queue 4, other than the picture book. The Saudi organization is for human rights. Yoninah (talk) 19:08, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I noticed a lot of disagreements over which nominations I promoted. Specifically all of these...


 * Template:Did you know nominations/Heaven for the nobles, Purgatory for the townspeople, Hell for the peasants, and Paradise for the Jews
 * Template:Did you know nominations/Neil Matthews (footballer, born 1967)
 * Template:Did you know nominations/Rue du Tapis-Vert
 * Template:Did you know nominations/Anna Shelton
 * Template:Did you know nominations/Hina Kino
 * Template:Did you know nominations/Wojak
 * I also experienced having a hook pulled from the main page without anyone trying to engage me in a solution or feedback as to why it failed. I think I would rather just move on. Flibirigit (talk) 19:27, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * it looks like you got hit with a lot of flak at one time. Sorry to hear that. Lately I have also been doing more content creation, which gives me more satisfaction. Yoninah (talk) 21:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I definitely agree there. Flibirigit (talk) 00:51, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Completed a second review at Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Brooksbank. Cheers Flibirigit (talk) 01:58, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Tree of Life – Or L'Simcha Congregation
Alex Shih (talk) 00:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Gongsun Shu
Hello, I saw your remark at at Wikipedia talk:Did you know, to answer originally the section was over at Gongsun Shu but Zanhe later moved it over to Chengjia. The state, Chengjia was Gongsun Shu's state and he was its only ruler, as he had ordered their creation he issued these coins, but the coin was originally at "his" article in an earlier version. I hope that this answers your question. --Donald Trung (talk) 14:18, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , hi, I guess I should have pinged you too. The hook fact, that it was Shu's own coin, needs to be written into the Chengjia article to qualify at DYK. Yoninah (talk) 14:19, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, the DYK states that he, as the self-proclaimed Emperor of Chengjia, minted his own coins in defiance to that of the Han Dynasty, the iron cash coins minted by Chengjia in defiance of the copper-alloy (bronze) standard cash coins were all issued under Gongsun Shu, but if you believe that this should be separately mentioned at the Gongsun Shu article either I or could work that in, otherwise it could be re-written in the DYK "that Chengjia under the reign of Gongsun Shu issued their..." To avoid confusion, but Zanhe has access to the better sources so (s)he could best add it if they deem it necessary. --Donald Trung (talk)  14:39, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * it's fine if it's just in the Chengjia article, but it has to be there. Let's wait for 's input. Yoninah (talk) 14:41, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for The Eucalyptus
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Moshe Basson
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

The Heather Elvis hook
Not to say I told you so, because I didn't, but the reason I had submitted those two more "blah" hooks first was because I anticipated exactly this sort of discussion if I used the handcuffing one (which to be fair had occurred to me first). Daniel Case (talk) 02:28, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * you can say I told you so. I knew there was something off about the handcuffed one, but I really wanted this hook to earn some exposure on the main page. As it is now, people will probably click on it just because she's been disappeared for five years. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 12:21, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I do appreciate that you were willing to take that risk (cf. this one, where I had really been hoping for the original hook). Daniel Case (talk) 17:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Robinson (rabbi)
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yonina, Rabbi Saul Berman has a short, far from good article.  He was arrested while marching with King at Selma., He is certainly among the very few Americans who can say that, and who are not only still living, but still publishing scholarly work, teaching in a university, and still an active rabbi. I would contribute, but not take the lead in an effort ot make it good.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:32, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK
I’m thinking of opening a discussion on the DYK talk page about the Lila Gene George DYK. I just find it hard to believe that none of those hooks are acceptable. SL93 (talk) 16:21, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

 * thank you for the nice greetings! Wishing you and yours a happy holiday season! Yoninah (talk) 17:38, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Talkback
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:40, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK Promotions
Apologies for that, these are my first few promotions so I'm on a learning curve. Kosack (talk) 19:21, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries. I thought you'd done this before. Welcome to the promoters circle! Yoninah (talk) 19:22, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I put my first two promotions through a few days ago and they successfully went to the main page with no issues so I was very happy with that! If I make any further mistakes or omissions, please let me know. Always happy to learn and improve. Kosack (talk) 19:26, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Promoting or closing DYK nomination
Hey there! I was wondering about this process for DYK nominations. Is there only a specific list of people who can close and promote these nominations/archive these hooks or anyone can do it? Thanks Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 09:25, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * anyone can do it, as long as they follow the rules. We try to promote older articles first. We alternate biography/non-biography hooks, and also put no more than 4 United States-based hooks in a set. It's very important to verify the hook fact and also make sure that the article follows basic Wikipedia guidelines. Read Did you know/Preparation areas and for technical details, Template talk:Did you know/Approved. Good luck, Yoninah (talk) 21:00, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I just found out that I can’t edit the prep page. :/ and I just found out it works now thanks =D Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 00:53, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 24
Alex Shih (talk) 12:01, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Heather Spears
Alex Shih (talk) 12:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Austral season's greetings

 * wow, looks amazing! Thanks, and season's greetings to you, too! Yoninah (talk) 22:35, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!


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 * thank you, and Merry Christmas to you too! Best, Yoninah (talk) 01:00, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * By the way, you haven't replied to my comments on the Yume Miyamoto DYKN yet ;) Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:28, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I thought we were waiting for you to come up with refs for the age 4 debut. I don't see where you asked me to respond to anything else. I don't like ALT3. Yoninah (talk) 14:12, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Like I mentioned in the DYKN, I'll see if I can cite it to the show itself, since the role is mentioned in her Japanese Wikipedia article and it's listed under that year. I personally didn't like ALT3 either, which is why I suggested ALT4. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:41, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I like ALT4. But we're still waiting for a source, right? Yoninah (talk) 17:37, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!


Hey there! Wishing you a merry christmas! Do make a good wish =D Enjoy your holiday! Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 10:55, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the holiday cheer by adding ~ to your friends' talk pages.


 * Also, is Prep 1 now 30 December? Or has this resumed normal operation? Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 13:59, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you for the nice wishes.
 * The update times chart at T:DYK/Q will start going to a 24-hour schedule on December 26. So Queue 3=December 26, Prep 4=December 27, Prep 5=December 28, Prep 6=December 29, Prep 1=December 30, Prep 2=December 31, Prep 3=January 1. Yoninah (talk) 14:09, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Noted =D Once again, enjoy your day! Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 14:13, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019


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 * thank you, and also wishing you a Merry Christmas and happy new year! Yoninah (talk) 14:13, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

New DYK stuff
Hi. Just fyi. Developing an article in my sandbox that might have a cute enough hook (Israeli wedding gown designer Inbal Dror also creates stage costumes for Beyonce. If you're interested, I'll ask you to take a look and offer suggestions when its further along.  Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:23, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. Yoninah (talk) 18:00, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yoninah, it's here: . If you think it's DYK material, I'm good with that.  But if not I'll just take it live.  I'm sure that it can be expanded and also that she is more than notable enough to have an article, but I am also now fully persuaded that I have neither sufficient knowledge of nor sufficient interest in  women's fashions to continue building this article. I just can't.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:26, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting woman; very successful. I finished my expansion. I thought I would find more interviews in Hebrew-language sources, but the Yediot Ahronoth source at least provided her birth year and other specifics. Would you like to move it to mainspace? Yoninah (talk) 00:53, 27 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Done.  Thank you.E.M.Gregory (talk) 03:27, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Possible hooks:
 * That Inbal Dror, an Israeli designer of high-fashion wedding gowns, got married in blue jeans at a horse ranch?
 * That Beyonce wore an Inbal Dror wedding gown to the 2016 Grammy Awards?E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:54, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Talkback
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:26, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK Sakura-Variationen
Hi Yoninah, I am a bit confused about your comment for DYK Sakura-Variationen"If all the hook facts aren't verified, please do not approve the hook. In this case, however, the "Japanese folk song" is clearly cited in the title of footnote 1" and I am not sure what you would have preferred I say or do in the review. I think we agree that all the hook facts were verified. I was probably jumping at shadows in that "sakura" is Japanese for cherry blossom & so someone could argue that there may be some other Japanese folk song other than "Sakura Sakura" - I am not aware of any, but wanted my thinking to be transparent. I want to make your task easier rather than harder, so if you would prefer I leave that out, I am happy to do so. Thanks for your work on DYK & I hope you have enjoyed some time with family and friends Find bruce (talk) 02:32, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

2019 coming
I'll start 2019 with Psalm 96, for singing a new song, and a new DYK ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Today
Can you help sourcing here, In the news/Candidates? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

As much as I believe that the Hebrew university ref has more to offer, that's only for those who read Hebrew. How about having both, English for the acts covered in the short version? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * what "acts"? Wikipedia has no problem citing foreign sources to verify things; witness your own articles. The Hebrew site provides a full curriculum vitae. I've added more about his prizes from the Hebrew site. Yoninah (talk) 11:53, 30 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Sorry, facts, typing too fast. Great, more prizes from the Hebrew, but why not English for the things anbody can see in English. I use German when there is nothing in English, and when want to source something specifically German, such as a quotation like "des Dichters oberster Mund" which says so much in so few words, - just that English can't follow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Minyan Man
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

 * thank you, just what I need right now! Yoninah (talk) 13:00, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Amos Oz edit
In your edit you substituted a Hebrew-language CV for an English-language one on basis of it being more extensive. As long as the English-language covered the cited fact it should remain the primary cite in the Eng.-lang. encyclopedia I think. If you want the greater range of the Hebrew one represented also in the article and it's not essential to the cite, I suggest it in 'Other references'/'Additional ...; OR (something I might do) add the Hebrew alternative link further down in the cite. I'm not able to execute this edit at the moment so suggest maybe you do it. Thanks. Swliv (talk) 21:47, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have removed the Hebrew webpage per yours and 's request. But now many facts are uncited. The page was a bit of a mess when I first came to it, and I tried to improve the text and the refs, but now I will bow out and leave it to you. Best, Yoninah (talk) 22:53, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I did NOT request to take the Hebrew out, only to have the shorter English ALSO, for those things supported by it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah I think your removal is worse than before; I don't seem to have revert capability either; if possible now I'd just have the English link added to the Hebrew one (with its number of cites) for whatever the English may have. Sorry you're out but thanks for your efforts. Swliv (talk) 02:49, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for First World Congress of Jewish Women
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 31 December 2018 (UTC)