User talk:Yoninah/Archive 26

New year, new decade, new page
To make the first tracks in this new-fallen snow ...

... I have another DYK nom I hope you can expedite for an upcoming anniversary: Murder of Artemus Ogletree, written with 5 January in mind. I probably should have let you know yesterday, but then again it was New Year's Eve here when I got it to that point. I don't think it's too late, although if we don't use the picture I can understand. Daniel Case (talk) 04:36, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Daniel Case, I don't enjoy being a Grinch at this season, but if you want to expedite this, I'd like to suggest that you provide another QPQ review, this time a complete one that addresses all of the DYK criteria, not just the three you listed in the review you did submit, which missed some issues that have since been noted. Length, time, and hook citation do not a full DYK review make, and it would really help if you would mention how article and hook(s) match up with all of the criteria in every review you do, including neutrality, copyvio/close paraphrasing, and so on. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:28, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ See Governors Island. Daniel Case (talk) 06:14, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Psalms
Wow, you simplified your page even more than I did ;) - I programmatically started the year with Psalm 103, and 85 still needs work. Happy 2020! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:16, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

To be more precise, Psalm 85 would need expansion today to qualify for DYK or not, and I'll start Psalm 31, also quite short, mentioned in a DYK nom, so not really needing a nom of its own. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll try later today. Yoninah (talk) 13:26, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and we are "long enough" now. Just a question: what is Psalm of communal lament? - I can't see a source, so am reluctant to use it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * all done on Psalm 85. I have no idea what a psalm of communal lament is, and have tagged that page for lack of sourcing. Yoninah (talk) 23:24, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Great what you did! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:27, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I finished Psalm 103. Yoninah (talk) 19:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Great, how about 1 next, if only for completeness? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, but another night. Yoninah (talk) 19:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Moisés Tuʻu Hereveri and Enrique Ika
Hello, can I request that Template:Did you know nominations/Moisés Tuʻu Hereveri and Enrique Ika be promoted on January 8 since it is the anniversary of Enrique Ika's proclamation as king? That is when the review is finalized. KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:40, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure. Just ask your reviewer to move it to the special occasions area when it's finalized. (Or ping me if that doesn't happen.) Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:20, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Happy New Year! Hello Yoninah: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, Clover moss  (talk) 00:47, 3 January 2020 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year snowman}} to people's talk pages with a friendly message.


 * thank you! Happy New Year to you too! Yoninah (talk) 00:54, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to the 2020 WikiCup
Happy New Year, Happy New Decade and Happy New WikiCup! The competition began at the start of January and all article creators, expanders and improvers are welcome to take part. If you are interested in joining, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. Creative editors like yourself seem to enjoy taking part, and many return year after year. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. The judges for the WikiCup are, , and Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:39, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Muriel
It needs Youth in Bondage Yoninah. That was the whole point of the hook. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:32, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * OK. Yoninah (talk) 00:08, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I wonder if it should go at the end? William Verbeck isn't particularly quirky. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:41, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * you're right again. Yoninah (talk) 13:40, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Imagine if I used my powers for evil... Philafrenzy (talk) 13:42, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Prep 6
I try not to show disappointment about DYK pic placement too often, but ... - The photo for Laura Aikin is not only artistically good, but also shows readers who don't know Zimmermann's Die Soldaten (who will be many I assume) a bit what that is, while the Mandarin duck, pretty as it is, just looks like any mandarin duck to me. Can Aikin come later, with image? Even the reviewer noticed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:10, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for mentioning it, and you're right! I was also bothered by the darkness of the other woman's image, so I swapped the hooks between Preps 6 and 1. Yoninah (talk) 23:22, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ... same intro ... - now prep 1: I don't believe that the rather unspecific mushroom caps are a more interesting image than the artist who died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , that orange cast on the person's face is very weird. Yoninah (talk) 12:05, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * sorry, don't know "cast" in this context --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * "Cast: A slight trace of color; a tinge." Plainly: His face is orange. Yoninah (talk) 12:48, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject A Cappella
Hi! I noticed you indicated interest in the a cappella wikiproject on the proposal, I just wanted to tell you it's been created, you can find it here. Thanks! Puddleglum  2.0  01:53, 8 January 2020 (UTC)  Puddleglum  2.0   01:55, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

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Your next DYK promotions
Yoninah, I was hoping that the next time you went to promote hooks, you'd take a look at the November 2 and 5 ones (Hazeltine and Cassington), since both were reviewed by Cwmhiraeth and she can't promote them. Thank you.

I've also just looked at the Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Krönung (Lautenbach) nomination, which was approved at the end of the year, and proposed an ALT3a that omits the rood loft, since I rather suspect Cwmhiraeth has been reluctant to promote ALT3 while the rood loft was in it, given HJHJ's "probable" as to whether it, too, was Gothic—I'd want something more definite than that before I promoted, too. I'm hoping the ALT3a version will do the trick. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:02, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Is this ready?
Hi Yoninah, hope you're well. I have done the remaining changes and also some questions for you at the DYK for Wellacre, if you could reply there when you get the chance, would really appreciate it, thank you :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 01:07, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the reminder. I didn't have a computer for a few days. Yes, the page looks great. I have restored the tick and promoted the hook to Prep 5. Yoninah (talk) 11:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome and ohhhh I see, that's okay and thank you so much :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Francis Dzierozynski
FWIW, the character counter I used put it at 221. ⌚️ (talk) 17:49, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * how could that be? Were you counting in the source information at the end of the hook? Even counting it manually turns up a lower character count. I use Javascript. Best, Yoninah (talk) 18:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

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File:Rabbi Shlomo Chanoch Hakohen Rabinowicz.gif
this is a copy of a roughly 100 year old picture which I have. The original picture is a widely circulated photo which has been in the public domain for a century. This picture cannot be legally copyrighted by anyone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 01greatzeal22 (talk • contribs) 01:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

MP image size
I am sure you meant well but this was too big. The general rule of thumb is 120 for portrait orientation, 140 for squarish, and 160 for landscape orientation. --- C &amp; C  (Coffeeandcrumbs) 13:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for letting me know. I think I'll leave it to you and from now on! Yoninah (talk) 13:23, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I was about to resize the image, but I noticed that we have actual photographs of the model mentioned in the hook. (It appears that the drawing was placed on the nomination page before the specific fact was selected.)  I've switched to one of those images instead.  —David Levy 13:27, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, I agree that's much better. Yoninah (talk) 13:28, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Psalm 85
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! - I expanded Psalm 31. Do you want to nominate? DYK check is not quite at 5 times, but you can argue that it counted in this version before expanding an unbulleted lone entry in Bibliographhy as prose, and the real prose at the time was 1.168 chars. - If that doesn't work, I could still expand further, but not right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

February with Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:32, 28 January 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Thanks
Thanks for pushing me to improve this DYK hook, I think I would have taken the lazy path otherwise. --Muhandes (talk) 16:18, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Shivas Ha'amim
Hi Yoninah. I started to write an article about Shivas Ha'amim it was just a stub but it was suddenly moved to Draft:Seven Nations (Bible). Can you help out? Thanks, IZAK (talk) 00:37, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I dropped a line on the editor's talk page. Yoninah (talk) 00:44, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! IZAK (talk) 00:53, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Ten tests of Abraham
Hi Yoninah. Thanks for your recent help. Could you help create a new article on the Ten tests of Abraham that would be informative. Thanks so much, IZAK (talk) 00:52, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Follow up comment
Hi Yoninah, just to say here without cluttering up the Psalms talk page with personal comments, I did not think you were intending to be condescending, just that that was how your words could be read. Thanks for your gracious response - tone is difficult to communicate in text! Cheers, Melcous (talk) 01:36, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Dev Dley
Yoninah, please stop by this nomination when you get the chance; the nominator has responded to your comments. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:50, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Question
Hallo, I have a question: is it correct that this DYK nomination is void since the article appeared already (as a link) on "in the news" section? Thanks! Alex2006 (talk) 12:46, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * (watching:) no, not correct, replied in the nom --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Dirshu
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Yeinot Bitan
Yoninah, Ynhockey has responded to the issues I raised with this nomination. I was wondering whether you could take another look at it, so that I would still be able to promote it. (Cwmhiraeth can't, so it might otherwise sit a while.) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:03, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Bessie Van Vorst
Yoninah, the nominator has made some text changes that may have dealt with some of the close paraphrasing, but I rather suspect (since you gave two examples) that only the ones you mentioned were dealt with. Also, there's a request for you to suggest other hooks, if the two new ones don't do the trick. Please stop by when you get the chance. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:15, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for John R. Countryman
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

GA nomination of John R. Countryman
Yoninah, I noticed that you manually added this nomination to the WP:GAN page. In future, please don't do that. It didn't hurt anything, but the bot takes care of it, based on the GA nominee template that gets created when you subst the GAN template on the article's talk page. The bot runs every 20 minutes and regenerates the GAN page, so new nominations get listed pretty quickly. As a general rule, nominators and reviewers should never edit the GAN page. In this case, the bot updated the timestamp from what you'd originally done in your edit, since the GA nominee template is what controls the nomination entry on the GAN page. (The review information is based off the top section of the review page.) Probably more than you wanted to know; sorry about that! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:52, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for the reminder. I guess I didn't read the rules through this time. Best, Yoninah (talk) 13:40, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/The Country Without a Post Office
Yoninah, has DTM's edits done the trick here, or are there still more issues? It would be nice to get this one moving again. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:41, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Croydon
The first hook is totally dull IMHO. Wouldn't Alt2 and 3 be better? Philafrenzy (talk) 07:41, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * no problem, I substituted it. I was only going by the reviewer's comment. Yoninah (talk) 12:52, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Bergkirche, Wiesbaden
Yoninah, I was wondering whether you were satisfied with the added sourcing for this article. If so, would you want to promote it, or simply give it the final tick? Thanks for whatever you decide to do. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * (watching:) please don't promote before for 26 Feb Ash Wednesday if ALT1 with the Passion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:24, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ... actually 26 Feb might be a good day ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * OK. But I prefer ALT0 or ALT2. Yoninah (talk) 12:32, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you think enough readers even know Albert Schweitzer? If yes then fine, and any day. I heard Passio there, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Cecylia and Maciej Brogowski
Yoninah, might this be ready to go, or do we have a stand-off here? If it is the latter, maybe we need to call for a second opinion reviewer? I'm not sure what to do here, so I'm sending it back to you. (If there is to be a rename, is it important that this happen prior to a DYK appearance, assuming the article text is the same before and after?) BlueMoonset (talk) 18:12, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * We have a standoff. The nominator refuses to move the page. IMO the page isn't start-class by DYK standards because it reads like an event, not a biography. You could ask for a second opinion, but they'll probably say just run it as is. Yoninah (talk) 19:08, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yoninah, do the recent edits change your mind, or do you think it still remains problematic. It looks like the review is heading toward a reapproval... BlueMoonset (talk) 20:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Nino Tkeshelashvili
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Re: Şırnak Silopi power station
Thanks, I've recently returned to Wikipedia from a long break and was not as diligent as I should have been. Thank you for the taking the time to re-review and for bringing it to my attention. Cheers, -M.Nelson (talk) 21:59, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Virginia Walker
— Wug·a·po·des​ 03:06, 22 February 2020 (UTC) 00:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Adding Dr K detail to prof. Ben-Or
Good idea, thanks for that and the promotion, and all the great work you do in general! Crum375 (talk) 01:15, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Newyorkitis
Yoninah, you called for EEng to propose a better hook for this nomination. Such a proposal was subsequently made. Please stop by to determine whether this has done the trick. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Sefer ve Sefel
--valereee (talk) 00:04, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! I'd like to say the same about you! :) Yoninah (talk) 23:05, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

New message from Cyfraw
The response was made almost 2 days ago. cyrfaw (talk ) 06:24, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, I saw your response, but it sounded to me like you were still working on it. I'll return to it later today. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 10:19, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/React (The Pussycat Dolls song)
Yoninah, a QPQ has been supplied here; can you please check and see whether you consider it adequate; if you do, you indicated that you would pass the nomination. Thanks for taking another look. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

I began Psalm 38. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Grace Kodindo
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Angelina Atyam
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Women
If you are still looking for women this month, I just finished an article on Anca Giurchescu. Surely there is a hook in that she was a European shooting medalist and one of the people who defined the academic discipline of ethnochoreology. If you are too busy, no worries. SusunW (talk) 23:41, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, I'd like to propose this hook, but I need a source for the fact that she was studying dance:
 * ... that while studying dance, Anca Giurchescu joined the Romanian national shooting team and won team and individual medals at the 1955 European Shooting Championship? Source: ??? ; medals chart  Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:02, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

This says they picked her while she was studying at the University of Physical Education.[https://romanialibera.ro/special/reportaje/cum-a-ajuns-o-campioana-la-tir-profesoara-de-manele-222752 "'Am făcut Educaţie Fizică, deşi mama voia să fac Medicină. M-am îndrăgostit de ICEF şi de dansul ritmic." Atunci se căutau trăgătoare, pentru că echipa României de tir avea numai bărbaţi. Au căutat printre studentele la sport'.] ("'I did Physical Education, although my mother wanted me to do Medicine. I fell in love with ICEF and rhythmic dance." Then they were looking for a shooter, because Romania's shooting team had only men. They searched among sports students'.") This confirms she studied dance there. "1949-től ritmikus táncot tanult a Bukaresti Testnevelési Egyetemen". ("From 1949 she studied rhythmic dance at the University of Physical Education in Bucharest".) Does that work? SusunW (talk) 21:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, I did see that (and translated it for myself). Does it make sense she was studying dance for 6 years? Yoninah (talk) 21:57, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * She actually didn't graduate until 1963. She kept getting kicked out of school by the communists and then would be readmitted and kicked out again. She said in one of the pieces that it took her over 10 years to graduate. I also suspect she wasn't just obtaining a bachelor's degree, but I have nothing that says specifically what degree she graduated with. SusunW (talk) 22:05, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, you said something along those lines in the article. So I'll nominate it now. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Kristi Zea
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Watts
You know what I am going to say. Yes it's a very low resolution image but oddly it works really well at thumb and has to be better than an image of windows. The hook is also strong (but not surprising) - 1000 fascist taxi drivers. If not that set, maybe another? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * you know, I'm almost afraid to promote your hooks because I know you'll always want the lead slot :) I think the image is too grainy at thumbnail size. I'm saving up lead slots for your Human Laundry and Jenny. Yoninah (talk) 21:06, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It's only because I spend time thinking about the image. If I add it to the nom its because I think it's worth it. Yes it's grainy but it's still good. It has high contrast and works perfectly with the hook. Hold it over until there is space it you like. Trust me, it works. The others are more than 50% Whispyhistory. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Anna Bērzkalne
--valereee (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Hiraizumi Kiyoshi
Yoninah, the editor you were waiting to hear from here has posted their reply. Just wanted to be sure you saw it. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 01:46, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Eva Lee Kuney
Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 00:01, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK nominations passed by Cwmhiraeth that need promotion to prep
Yoninah, here are a few nominations that were approved over ten days ago, either ticked or created by Cwmhiraeth, so she cannot promote them herself. (I'm making up a similar list for Cwmhiraeth of articles you've passed.) I'm hoping you can take care of them. First date is where it can be found on the Approved page; second date is when the tick was given: I imagine that you simply haven't gotten to them yet, but if there are any issues that make you reluctant to promote any of these, can you please let me know? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:29, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * February 4/February 26: Template:Did you know nominations/Palazzo del Governatore di Borgo
 * February 25/March 7: Template:Did you know nominations/Étienne Carjat promoted
 * February 29/March 7: Template:Did you know nominations/White-throated round-eared bat
 * I just looked over the first nom and left a question on the template. I've been waiting to promote the other two because they are both good for image slots, and slots are opening up slowly. Yoninah (talk) 15:35, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I see you have moved Megan Rosenbloom to an image slot. It's a nice image, but I don't think we should be using the image slot for attractive women of marginal notability whose appearance is not in the least relevant to the hook. Let's use it for important people, or to illustrate encyclopedically interesting topics. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that you usually don't promote contemporary images, but I felt this hook was so good that it should be given more prominence. Yoninah (talk) 17:45, 21 March 2020 (UTC) And it's women's history month! Yoninah (talk) 18:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

2020 coronavirus pandemic in Israel
All is good. Lots to be done, and lots of time in which to do it. Segoldberg (talk) 21:56, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I just realized we were writing in parallel. I agree that the state of emergency does not stand out enough, not sure what makes sense. It raises the philosophical question: what is the purpose of the article right now? If we think readers are coming for correct information, it might be useful to move it up to "Current state of response", and then remove that part when this (hopefully) becomes history. But is that allowed per wiki rules? Also, there should be an edit in transporatation, but I am not sure exactly what was decided. Also, the PA edit should remain. Segoldberg (talk) 19:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Morgenstern der finstern Nacht
Yoninah, I was wondering whether you could respond to Gerda Arendt's response to your query. I'd like to get this nomination moving again, as it's been stuck for a while. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK nom' apparently missing
Hello Yoninah. Since the Cecylia and Maciej Brogowski nom' has been approved it seems to have disappeared. It's not on the nomination list, or in the Approved or Queue lists. Any ideas? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:10, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It's in Prep 6. Yoninah (talk) 19:19, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, next time I do a page search I should spell Brogowski correctly.  :-}    -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:25, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Limonana
Sorry for accidentally deleting your comment on Talk:Limonana -- stupid of me! --Macrakis (talk) 16:43, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Newyorkitis redux
Yoninah, can you please stop by here and take a look at the latest hook proposals? Or, if they need a new reviewer, let me know. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:42, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for I've danced with a man, who's danced with a girl, who's danced with the Prince of Wales
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Another good one! - Thank you for IAR for the women's song cycle! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'm wondering why you didn't make a separate section called "Musical style" rather than have quotes about her musical style scattered all over the article? It would make it easier to develop a better hook incorporating something about her artistry. Yoninah (talk) 21:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't write the article. I only referenced it enough for ITN when she died, and then went for GA. There was a separate section on style and voice, but all copyvio. The GA review is interesting ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Because this is so, I won't go for FA, which would require a complete rewrite which I just don't have time for. So this DYK line is all. Do you remember my DYK about a soprano and a president? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for caring about Jessye Norman for main page, borrowing her smile --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Anca Giurchescu
--valereee (talk) 00:02, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Riyadh International Book Fair
Yoninah, I noticed that you moved this template back from the Approved page to the Nominations page, but as far as I can see the tick at the beginning of the penultimate paragraph is the latest icon, which would mean that it's approved. Indeed, I expect WugBot to move it back to the Approved page at 15:00 UTC, minutes from now.

If there's some other issue with it, please add the appropriate icon to it. There is a special request for April 2 (which would be nice to grant); it should be easy enough to move a hook from Prep 2 to Prep 3 to make room for it. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up: I've just moved the hook, which did go back to the Approved page, to the special occasion section under April 2, so it wouldn't get promoted to some other day—since it's one of our remaining December nominations, I thought there was a risk of this happening tonight. Of course, there's also a risk that it will be promoted from the special occasion section tonight, but at least it would go to the right day, and could be pulled if you have found issues. Take care. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

J. C. "Sonny" Gilbert Wildlife Management Area
Hello, and thanks for the help. Although I checked each link in question in another tab I was trying to get to a point to save so began to be rushed. Someone saw there was close paraphrasing in the flora and fauna section so I hid the sections for later work. Otr500 (talk) 23:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Bríd Mahon
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DYY Billy
Hello Yoninah, I saw your review of my Did You Know nomination on the character Billy. I just wanted to let you know that I replied, and to clarify the sources and statements in ALT2 says that the character helped establish many of the tropes in the slasher film genre, not establishing the genre itself. I added a couple of more alternate hooks as well so there is a bit more clarification.--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, the template was already closed, so why did you post there? If you have a problem with the hook that is currently in Queue 2, please bring it up at WT:DYK. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean by closed?--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:04, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you see the template message at the top: The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page. Yoninah (talk) 18:20, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Interesting. Looks like it passed as far as I could tell. Thanks for the clarifacation.--Paleface Jack (talk) 19:23, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Special occasion
I expanded Christ Crowned with Thorns (Bosch, London) with a view to it running on Good Friday, April 10th. The hook has been approved, so could you please move it to the special holding area. I suppose I could do it myself, but it doesn't seem quite right to do so. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:28, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * done. Yoninah (talk) 10:46, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion needed
Please have a quick glance over the new additions to the article Jammu and Kashmir Public Safety Act, 1978 by User:Ashlesh007. Can those edits stay completely, be removed fully or just summarized etc? DTM (talk) 12:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I maybe should have done this over at the talk page of the article, the discussion can be moved there. DTM (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Kateryna Skarzhynska
I wasn't sure how to ask this on the nomination and didn't want to screw anything up. Her DYK is scheduled to run on Orthodox Easter and I am hoping you can credit Ipigott and GRuban as co-creators. Without their help, especially with the translations and sourcing, I would not have been able to to write it, nor would the GA have been approved. Thanks. SusunW (talk) 16:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * credits added. Yoninah (talk) 17:44, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. SusunW (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 31
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

That was a particularly good one, mentioned on El C's page and made him smile ;) - Can you help me to more on "the melody of the Kol dodi"? A melody for two hymns we sing, one even often, - mentioned with the other here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * sorry, I thought this was a passing comment, not something I had to take action on. Now I wrote about it at ERRORS. I can't read the German. What exactly do you want me to do, and on which page? Yoninah (talk) 11:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Can't says more than I did. The page is linked (look for "here"). It says (in German) "the melody of the Kol Dodi", no more, and I thought that could ring a bell. Never mind if not. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Or did you mean, do something on which page? Let me know here, or add to Seht, er lebt. The other hymn - although more popular in German - has no article, not in German, not in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I got some help, see the article and talk. Could you please add Hebrew to Psalm 117 - only a few verses. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Two mixed comments for which I'm to lazy to open two more threads. In the DYK about the bird songs, sure I know that birds may produce songs, only: in that hook it's not clear at all that it's about birds (as already mentioned in the discussion), could be tribes or whatever that sing. I began working on Psalm 55. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * but hoopoes are birds. Yoninah (talk) 18:43, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * sure, you English-speaking people know that, - sorry I don't, - only from the opera ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Old City of Hebron
Hallo Yoninah

I have a question: I am the reviewer of Old City of Hebron on DYK, but I have the impression that the review is blocked (this is also due to difference of opinion between the author and other users). What can be done in this case? Thanks a lot, Alex2006 (talk) 08:27, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

you said you undid my edit but you didn't
You said you cancled my edit in 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Israel but you just disabled the bold, something I thought was intended. Let me explain: When I edited the page, the text wasn't ordered in lines, it was like this: gfcgfcfg ;  1) hghgffhg ;   2) What I did was to fix that it was crowded in one single line by pressing ENTER which made it in seprated lines. I didn't know how to fix the bold since I'm not ordering text so often, which means you didn't cancle my edit, you just removed the bold. My edit wasn't canclled, you probably taged it like you did in mistake, sorry for the misunderstanding, omer Omer abcd (talk) 21:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, what happened was I used the "undo" function on the edit history, which automatically leaves that "Undid revision by..." message, and changed your semi-colons to asterisks. Semi-colons are meant for sub-subheads, which are printed in bold, while asterisks create non-bold text. Best, Yoninah (talk) 09:26, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Metrics/April 2020
You added Ginger (1935 film) to WikiProject Women in Red/Metrics/April 2020, but I'm afraid the bot that runs that page requires articles to have been created in the calendar month, and removes any that were not (diff). --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:36, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a 5x expansion. Yoninah (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Luis Miguel
In response to a request by, I'm copyediting a very long section of this article for FAC and am edit-conflicting with you. One of us has to step aside. Let me know when you're done; in the meantime, I'm moving on to another request at WP:GOCE/REQ.  Mini  apolis  20:43, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm done. The article needed a copyedit before I promoted it for DYK, so that's what I did. Yoninah (talk) 20:46, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Pinging that it doesn't need another copyedit.  Mini  apolis  21:50, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Your removal of a section
I think that the removal of the section on the exit strategy from the current restrictions imposed in Israel because of the Coronavirus, was a shame. I find that relevant and necessary information. If anything, I think that section should be updated as restrictions ar being lifted. Debresser (talk) 13:59, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It was my understanding that this was a proposal, not actual policy. If you feel it should be replaced, go ahead. IMO that section would be better served as a record of what actually happened. Yoninah (talk) 16:23, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you're right, and I agree with you. Thanks for your reply. Debresser (talk) 20:37, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Ruby Mazur
I would like to know what you were implying by a point being tried to be proven? User:TheSandDoctor and I both merely tried to cover what was in the sources, in a fair and factual manner. We did miss the birthplace data, but as you saw that (and this is a wiki where anyone can improve any article) I'm not sure the contention about it (especially given that we have many biographical articles on this site of notable people that lack birth data). I appreciate you promoting the hook, but I'm just trying to clarify what you meant there so we're on the same page. Thank you, — Coffee  //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 19:19, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean that the article doesn't read like a biography. The lead is a list of his works, and then his feud with Jagger takes up the other half of the page. I'm used to reading biographies that retell a person's life chronologically, like the places he worked, and also his artistic styles (see Las Vegas Sun article). Even if you don't have a lot of detail for each section, squeezing it all into the lead doesn't make for easy reading. Yoninah (talk) 19:25, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I would agree with you that it is by no means a finished product and needs more work on data display/sectioning/expansion. But this isn't a GA nom; DYK is also for fairly unfinished articles that need work but have adequate sourcing and length. It will eventually improve more I'm sure (TSD has a few GAs under his belt already), I just wanted to help add enough data to the article to get it eligible when he showed me it, and it happened the feud with Jagger had a decent amount of notable data that could quickly expand it. If you have the time and are willing, I would not be opposed to you moving around the data more to a degree you like. — Coffee  //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 19:46, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * . OK, thanks. Yoninah (talk) 19:47, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that I have 6 GAs under my belt, including The Rolling Stones, Mick Jagger, and Keith Richards. I definitely plan to expand on this article and its formatting etc. -- The SandDoctor  Talk 17:14, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you. I came back to it yesterday and saw that the layout already looked more readable. Best, Yoninah (talk) 17:33, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail!
Sorry for getting back so late. It got lost in my huge Gmail mailbox. epicgenius (talk) 16:24, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK
Do you mind reviewing my DYK? Thanks the link is here. The4lines (talk) 16:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC)The4lines

DYK for Dorothy Horrell
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DYK for A Wonderful Life (film)
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Natalie Chou
Hi there. For Template:Did you know nominations/Natalie Chou, I was hoping the COVID-19 related hook would have been chosen given the pandemic as well as its impact to Asian Pacific Americans. Barring that, the NBA-related one seemed hooky if people (mis)read it as a women playing on a men's team. Frankly, the last option (currently in Prep 3) seems the most typical. Interested in your thoughts. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 09:09, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, I agree with you in your ordering of hooks by interest. But frankly, we have so many COVID-19 hooks, and the hook seemed to take a lot of thought on the reader's part to connect what she was saying to "Chinese virus", that I decided to pass on it. I was going to run the NBA hook, but that too didn't seem to be telling something in a straightforward way, as when I looked at the article it was talking about some group he ran in an elementary school. Would you like me to return the hook to the noms page so we can work out something better? Yoninah (talk) 10:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I avoided "Chinese virus" in the hook, thinking it's more likely to entice a click (instead of setting off an immediate lighting rod). The NBA hook was intentionally trying to be non-straightforward, but can accept if it doesn't work for you. I guess I included the final one as a "safe backup", which it might end up being. If you can suggest a simple tweak for the COVID, great; otherwise, continue on.  Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 10:47, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll replace with the first hook. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 10:51, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Goat tower
...got over 25K views lol! I added it to the lead-hooks-over-25K, but does it also get added to May? —valereee (talk) 10:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * yes. Way to go! Yoninah (talk) 17:18, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Philadelphia clubs
Hi, you might remember the work we did on the 500 Club and other clubs in Atlantic City. I spotted some gaping holes in our coverage of Philly clubs. I started Dunbar Theatre (Philadelphia) and Earle Theatre. It would be good if was still on board but can you see if you can expand them? I don't know if there are any free images available. There is also the Downbeat (Philadelphia jazz club) and a few others missing! Hope you're well!† Encyclopædius  15:58, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear from you! I just happened to be looking at our Kentucky Avenue club articles from Atlantic City, and was missing the good old days of article creation with you. I'll be happy to take a look at your new articles. Best, Yoninah (talk) 17:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Funny that isn't it! Great minds think alike! Just started John T. Gibson, interesting stuff.† Encyclopædius  17:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

FYI
I am not an admin. But I appreciate the thought.--- C &amp; C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 01:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I thought I saw you doing some edits in the queues. Yoninah (talk) 10:31, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

John Robert Martindale
On this edit, thank you for fixing the quotation marks. My iPad creates “curly” ones, and if I use the insert form provided in special characters I still do not get straight ones. Please note that “focused” is American English, “focussed” is British. Also, please be aware of Oxford spelling, which is still the academic norm in England. Moonraker (talk) 01:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for the update. I understand about "focussed" being British English, but why did you change from "specialised" to "specialized"? I also have a problem with curly quote marks and apostrophes generated by my computer, but I found a way to fix them under File→Options→Proofing→AutoCorrect Options→AutoFormat→AutoFormat As You Type. Best, Yoninah (talk) 03:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Oxford spelling page answers that. Moonraker (talk) 03:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

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Points to China
Hellmut Stern point to China. Why not? That's where they flew to first. Israel is mentioned twice in the hook, and China only once ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * it's a non sequitur. The hook is talking about bringing the opera to Israel. If you're showing him pointing to a map, I would expect him to point to Israel. In the caption in the article, you might want to explain what he's doing. Yoninah (talk) 22:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you think I was serious? - Seriously: We have one and only one image of him? Should I change the hook about his dream of years, for sequitur's sake? We may be at the core of my problems with hook making. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:51, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , it's a very good hook. Don't you have a picture of him singing? Yoninah (talk) 10:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No. (also, why would we picture the principal violinist of the Berlin Philharmonic singing?) We have this one pic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Right. I'm sorry, the image and hook just don't go together for me. I'll bring it up at WT:DYK for consensus. Yoninah (talk) 10:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Back to I wasn't serious. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear, it all worked out in the end! On 's suggestion, I moved it to the image slot in Prep 2 and tweaked the hook and caption. I hope you're happy with this solution; I am. Best, Yoninah (talk) 17:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I began Psalm 144, too lazy to open a new thread. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK Thanks

 * thanks for the nice barnstar. I'm very happy to donate one because I do have quite a few and am doing more all the time. Since it was an act of kindness, you could pass the kindness on to someone else, if you really insist. No need to repay the favour :) Thanks again, Yoninah (talk) 21:21, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Cyrano de Bergerac (Tamberg)
Yoninah, Cwmhiraeth, I was wondering whether one of you could take a look at this and see whether you think there is a problem with the phrasing of this hook. I'm looking at it and not seeing anything, but I'd like someone else to take a look. Ideally, the reviewer should still be the one who approves it if it is okay so you can go ahead and promote it, but it's been sitting for four weeks and I hadn't noticed that it was stalled. Many thanks. And thanks also for donating the QPQs at Graceylipper's multi-article nomination. I did have one ready, but I'll let it go permanently unused in solidarity. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * And, as long as I have you both here (repinging Cwmhiraeth), Template:Did you know nominations/Union Street station (BMT Fourth Avenue Line), a seven-article nomination, was approved a couple of weeks ago. It is also the biggest culprit behind the transclusion problem on the Approved page, not least because there are seven individual DYK checklist templates, each of which needs to be expanded, and each of which has a ton of text (even the comments are counted by the parser). If it can be promoted as soon as feasible—it's approved, and I'm hoping there aren't any issues with it—it would really help things. (For an explanation of why the transclusions aren't all being made, see WP:PEIS.) Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:29, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Charity Anderson
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Telegraph Plateau DYK
Sorry for getting ratty with you for the second time this week. I understand the need for the citation rule. I don't mind it being insisted on if you can't find the citation in the article, or even if you just don't want to spend the time looking. But if you already know the fact is cited, and its hard to see how you could have missed it in this case, asking for another cite is just unnecessary busywork. The citation requirements on Wikipedia are already the most onerous you will find anywhere. Writing articles has become several orders of magnitude more difficult and frustrating than it was when I first started, and its steadily getting worse year after year. I probably never would have started if I ran into the obstacles we have now. We still proudly proclaim Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy and have Ignore all rules as a core policy, but precious few people seem signed up to that nowadays.

I know this DYK rule is a very minor thing, but the totality of citation requirements taken all together seriously impedes the rate of production of quality articles. It is also likely a disincentive for new editors. To add a corollary to IAR, "if not doing something helps improve the encyclopedia, then don't do it". SpinningSpark 00:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments. I think you are ascribing motivations to me that I don't have. It's also a little insulting to suggest that you just don't want to spend the time looking. Of course I look at every paragraph of every article I promote. When I came to promote this article, all I saw was an offline citation in the sentence following the hook fact. Yes, that's perfectly acceptable, but lately has been questioning citations like these and asking for an additional inline cite to be placed after the sentence itself. Normally I would do this myself, but was unsure since it's an offline source. Frankly, I agree with you that a citation the next sentence over should be allowed, and I wonder if you would like to bring this up at WT:DYK so we can clearly spell it out in the rules for hook promotion. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 15:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I certainly dddn't intend my comment as an insult. I was referring to the original purpose of the rule, which was supposed to save reviewer time by not having to look for the relevant cite.  All I meant was that I accept that.  It's not as necessary as it was when all the reviews were done by just a handful of DYK volunteers who had to whizz through them at a rate of knots (that's what QPQ addressed), and its been somewhat duplicated by the more recent requirement to put the cite in the nomination.  I'm not enthusiastic about proposing a rule change, that feels like WP:DEADHORSE territory to me. SpinningSpark 16:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I remember the good old days when there were far fewer checks, just verify the hook fact and pass the thing. One I noticed was in the middle of building a set and quickly started approving hooks that he could promote. There was no such thing as close paraphrasing checks back then, either. Best, Yoninah (talk) 16:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * FWIW I ask when I can't easily find it myself -- I'll generally go to the following citation, and if that citation is available and searchable, I'll find the citation and add it myself at the sentence. If it's not available (offline/in another language/can't find the support with the first or second search I think of) I'll bring it to talk. FWIW, when I write, I put a source to every sentence. Its just easier that way for DYK, GA, and solves HUGE problems for any future moving-around-of-content (which is something every article creator should expect to happen eventually) if every sentence has a source. —valereee (talk) 17:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you're the only admin that does that. Since I try to follow rules, I'm following it, but it really has been accepted for a long time that inline citations can go after the next sentence if both sentences are from the same source. Pinging for her input. Yoninah (talk) 17:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If the hook facts are spread out over two sentences, what I was taught was both should cited, even if from the same source. "By the end of the sentence where the hook fact is found" is what I go by unless it's a multi-sentence quote, which is considered a single unit, and the cite goes at the end of the quote. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:15, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yoninah, the thing is, in order for me to make sure the support is in the next source, I have to go check. If I find it, I add it so no one else has to check. If I don't find it, I feel like I have no choice but to point out that I haven't found the support in the following source. —valereee (talk) 18:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * well, that's what I have been doing for you before I promote hooks. And then I get unpleasant feedback from editors (see above). Are the rules so explicitly stated that I can just refer them to there? Yoninah (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep: Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient. This rule applies even when a citation would not be required for the purposes of the article. Emphasis mine. See rules. —valereee (talk) 19:37, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Right. And I know that. But I just passed on promoting a hook because the inline cite wasn't there, and I'm tired of being the bad guy. No worries, there are almost 200 other approved hooks out there! Yoninah (talk) 19:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I get that. Sometimes it's frustrating when noms come in red hot because we're following the guidelines set by consensus over the past fifteen+ years. I try to just treat them as if they're the first person who has ever had that concern. :D —valereee (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It just happened again. It seems our reviewers don't know about this inline cite thing. Yoninah (talk) 19:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a lot of them don't seem to. :D One of the reasons I bring so many things to talk and ping the reviewer is to possibly educate reviewers on our requirements. It would just be so much easier for everyone all around if reviewers were teaching the noms. —valereee (talk) 19:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm trying to remain calm and smile! Yoninah (talk) 19:49, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Kzin grin so needs an article. —valereee (talk) 19:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

If you're regularly getting it in the neck over this, then you might want to consider that there is something wrong with the system. Most regulars know what the rules are, but that doesn't mean we have to think they are sensible. The idea that we are going to add a cite because there is a rule that says we should is completely the wrong way round. A rule has a purpose. We apply the rule to fulfill a purpose. If the purpose isn't achieved by applying the rule then it is pointless doing it. The idea that every sentence should have an inline cite is not even a rule. It is a situation we have got to through scope creep in people's minds. The actual guideline requires inline cites for only a very limited range of issues, but woe betide anyone who leaves something visibly uncited. It does not even do what you think it does. A cite on every sentence does not actually verify the article, it is just little blue number disease. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 22:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , the reason for the rule that DYK hooks need a citation at the sentence for hook facts is that DYK hooks receive intense scrutiny, and having the hooks cited at the sentence allows readers trying to verify those facts to easily access the hook support. —valereee (talk) 00:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd be very interested to see the evidence for that claim. To the overwhelming majority of readers, the citations are merely uninteresting clutter.  The rule has evolved by reviewers, for reviewers. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 09:36, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your comment prompted my to trawl through the history to find the real reason this requirement was added.
 * The explicit requirement for same sentence was added in this edit in July 2014. The edit summary and previous edit summary make clear that the concern here was punctuation, not verifiability.  This was part of a large revision of the rules, but I see no discussion on the talk page in that period.
 * The explicit statement that the end of the paragraph is not acceptable was added in this edit in 2008 with the edit summary "clearer wording".
 * There was a discussion that led to it here. The reason given was that "[t]he citation needs to be as unambiguous as possible so reviewers can see that the submitter actually knows the rules and has properly cited his hook".
 * It's clear to me that this started off as a sensible requirement, but has morphed into an iron rule through (possibly uninteded) scope creep that is now mindlessly enforced. That really, really isn't what we should be spending our time doing. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 10:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you for digging up those diffs. Based on the last one, it does appear that this rule was enforced for the sake of the reviewers rather than the page writers. That discussion there with and  also points to a situation I encounter often with writers of very scholarly articles: they don't want to cite every sentence, and they balk at doing so "as long as the article is on the main page". Yoninah (talk) 12:14, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Right, this is all part of the secret plan to drive away expert editors. How do you feel about changing the rules so that editors have the choice of adding the source directly after the fact or (as is already currently recommended) adding it to the nomination page?  If that has at least your support then I might drag this DEADHORSE back over to DYK and give it another kicking. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 12:28, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't need to add to the complication surrounding this issue, that would just be instruction creep. And while I sympathize with your exasperation over citing expectations in general, it surely can't be that difficult to add a cite at the end of the sentence where the hook fact is cited. The reason we have this rule is the same as it's always been, which is that before the rule was added, nominators constantly forgot to cite their hooks, leaving reviewers to struggle through goodness knows how many references looking to confirm the hook fact. Speaking personally though, I have never enforced this rule rigidly, provided the cite is easily located. Not having this rule, however, would just lead to nominators failing to cite their hooks at all as happened far too frequently before the rule was added. Gatoclass (talk) 12:58, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with that commonsense approach. I hope that you and others are also fine with me taking to task reviewers who do not show a commonsense approach. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 13:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems that in this case the nearest cite was to an offline source. In those circumstances, I too might want confirmation that the cite in question was to the hook fact, because as I said, sometimes nominators just forget to add the cite.
 * BTW, if you are having issues with citing, I only recently discovered that citation bot can evidently completely fill the reference fields itself if you just pass it the correct url or code (I suspect everybody but me has known this for years, but you never know ...). Gatoclass (talk) 13:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Let's not go down the rabbit hole of citation styles here. That has never been a DYK issue and my objection to citation templates has nothing to do with the ease of creating them.  Did you read the nomination page of the article before you posted the above comment?  If you did, am I to understand that you would still ask for a cite even though the offline source was quoted verbatim.  How does adding an extra cite to the article help that situation?  If you're not prepared to go find the source and read it yourself you will still be in the position of AGFing that it says what the nominator says it says. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 15:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Since we started asking nominators to print the source material on the DYK nomination template, it's been my understanding that this is not enough to "prove" a citation. The cite still must be placed inline in the article. The only people who really look at the nomination template are the reviewer and initial promoter; once it's in the queue or on the main page, no one is going back to the nomination template to check anything. Additionally, many nominators still don't bother to include the source material on their nomination template. Yoninah (talk) 18:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I go back to the nomination template all the time. For instance, if I think something in the hook needs tweaking, I go back to the template to check whether the nom/reviewer/promoter/random passersby had discussed that very thing. If I think the hook is completely problematic, I go back to the template to see if there's another hook that was approved. If I can't find a citation for a hook fact, I go back to the template to see if the hook fact was cited there. If I think I need to ask a question at talk, I go back to the template to see if that question has already been answered. —valereee (talk) 17:23, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Union Street station (BMT Fourth Avenue Line)
Yoninah, Cwmhiraeth, this was the seven-article nomination that was pulled by Nikkimaria for having too much overlap between articles to make up the 1500-character minimum on some of them—Cwmhiraeth was the original promoter, and Yoninah brought the matter to the DYK talk page after it was pulled. The discussion on the template seems to have reached its natural end with a shorter, five-article version of the hook, and Nikkimaria seems to be satisfied, though the tick hasn't been restored yet, perhaps because there is also that new ALT5 hook. ALT5 is the previously approved (and promoted) ALT4 without the final clause, since that's the bit that mentions the two articles that have been disallowed.

Are either of you prepared to promote it as is (it's still on the Nominations page rather than the Approved page), or does it need a new tick? It would be nice to get this back into prep with minimal time on the Approved page, since it causes major transclusion issues there. Many thanks to you all. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/William Tennent III
Yoninah, can you please check this to see whether it's ready to be approved, and if so, approve it? The confusion over sourcing has been addressed, I think—I have been able to find Tennent in the Howe source (MB had linked to the wrong volume), and supplied the missing page numbers. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:37, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK
It is my habit to start each day with time spent on DYK before moving on to other things. As long as other admins are regularly moving prep sets to the queue, I will concentrate on building prep sets, but if the number of queues filled is low, I will do moves instead. If I concentrate on filling certain sets, rather than promoting hooks to an assortment of sets, it will make it easier to avoid moving sets in which I have previously been involved into the queue. I anticipate that we are likely to keep running two sets a day for a long time as a result of people's response to the Covid-19 situation. I will regard it as a failure on my part if the BOT ever reports that the queues are empty! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * that makes sense. Is there anything specific you'd like me to do? Yoninah (talk) 12:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, carry on as you customarily do, because you're doing a good job! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of I Still Dream About You
Hello! Your submission of I Still Dream About You at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Edwardx (talk) 12:36, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Exodus Collective
Hiya, since you recently promoted this particular DYK, I would if you could explain to me how ... that after three nights of riots in Luton in 1995, the Exodus Collective organised a rave and the disturbances stopped? went to ...that three nights of riots at Marsh Farm in Luton in 1995 came to an end when the Exodus Collective organised a nearby rave?. The process seems quite opaque to me, thanks for any answer. Mujinga (talk) 23:45, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi any hook is subject to change by any number of editors who look at it as it makes its way through the prep sets to the queues and even while it's on the main page. After the hooks are promoted to prep sets, we have a resident proofreader,, who I think does a very good job fixing up the language in the hooks. Here is where he tweaked your hook. In future, after your hook is promoted, you should watchlist T:DYKQ, and if you question any wording that's been changed, post a comment at WT:DYK. BTW your hook got 1,200 views in only 12 hours, a very respectable showing. Best, Yoninah (talk) 23:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hiya thanks for the answer, the DYK process does seem rather strange to me to be honest, even from checking T:DYKQ hooks seem to be bumped and so on. I will check Wikipedia talk:Did you know from now on. 1,200 views was my lowest hit so far actually, but of course it's not just about the numbers, cheers Mujinga (talk) 00:08, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

RfC Question
I am drafting an RfC question here. Can you please take a look? -- Guerillero &#124;  Parlez Moi  15:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Second Chance (1950 film)
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Princess Academy: Palace of Stone
Yoninah, the nominator has responded to your review, cutting the plot section as you requested. Can you take a look and see whether they have done so sufficiently to satisfy you? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:02, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for the reminder. I neglected to watchlist the template. Yoninah (talk) 11:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on domestic violence
Yoninah, the nominator says that the close paraphrasing you found in your review has been dealt with. Please return when you get the chance to take the next step in the review. (If you think there might be more close paraphrasing lurking around, we can always ask Nikkimaria to take a look.) Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 20:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Paul F. Heard
Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:02, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

NGC 3393 DYK
The correct is nearest to Earth (but I see you promoted the nomination already). --C messier (talk) 19:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you. I thought it was necessary to write it that way in the lead because of the way the sentence is structured. But it also makes sense the way it's written in the hook. So everything's fine. Best, Yoninah (talk) 19:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Bureau of Immigration Bicutan Detention Center second thoughts
First, you have every right to reject this request, and I won't be offended if you do; but I feel I have to try. I wrote at Template:Did you know nominations/Bureau of Immigration Bicutan Detention Center that "ALT2 is my preferred hook". That's just because I underestimated both the Philippine government's callousness towards detainees, and the COVID-19 pandemic, and I thought that the main hook would become stale by the time it was reviewed. However, as the article is now promoted, I'd like to ask you to please consider using the main hook rather than hook ALT2. It's just as relevant today as when I wrote it. On May 14, they once again reiterated that only two pregnant women had been bailed up to then, as part of a fluff piece in the Manila Bulletin. I know that this is a highly unusual request, but I wrote this article primarily for humanitarian reasons, and as amusing as the jailbreaks are, I feel that the main hook is most relevant. I urge you to consider using it. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 23:27, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for posting. The hook fact about 278% overcrowding doesn't appear in the article. Yoninah (talk) 23:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for considering this! Yes, that's in the original article. You can see that the Bulletin is claiming that it's still over 400 detainees. GMA Online wrote it had 418 detainees on 28 April, out of a capacity of 140. That'd be ≈300% overcrowding. Looks like I did my math wrong, perhaps I thought it had a capacity of 150 for some reason? If we want to be extra fair, we can call it 400; that's 285%. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 23:56, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Per DYK rules, the hook fact has to be in the article. It seems you are conflating two facts: a 285% overcrowding rate on April 22 and two pregnant women receiving bail on April 28. I feel you need to write a tighter hook that is clearly backed up by the sources, and clearly mentioned in the article. Yoninah (talk) 00:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks like this prep set is about to be promoted to the queue, at which point only an administrator can edit it. Meanwhile, I'm about to go offline for a few days. Would you like me to return this hook to the noms page so you can work on it more? Or would you like to continue your discussion at WT:DYK, where other editors could advise and help you? Yoninah (talk) 00:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, why is it a problem to use the Manila Bulletin story which has both facts, to say: ... that months into the Philippines' coronavirus quarantine, the Bureau of Immigration Bicutan Detention Center remained 285% overcrowded, with only two pregnant women having been bailed? . If it still is, how about ALT1? Once it gets promoted to the queue, it's okay, it's too late. I'll accept ALT2. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 00:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you understand that the hook fact has to appear in the article? The article speaks about the two pregnant women with a cite to CNN Philippines, not Manila Bulletin. It's also unclear how you're coming up with the 285% figure. Please edit the article so everything appears there, and then we can discuss the hook. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Thank you very much for putting up with me. I did not remember that criterion, no, I thought that as long as we proved the fact with cites in our DYK nomination, it didn't matter whether or not it's in the article. But you're right, this makes sense; our readers are unlikely to know how to hunt for the DYK nomination to find the source. I've added it. Once again, I'm sorry to have second thoughts like this, and commend you for considering my request. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 01:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no figure of 418 in the source given. Yoninah (talk) 01:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Right, I'm basing it off of 400 now. I rewrote the hook above with xt. To make it simpler, here it is:
 * "... that months into the Philippines' coronavirus quarantine, the Bureau of Immigration Bicutan Detention Center remained 285% overcrowded, with only two pregnant women having been bailed?"
 * I'm trying to go fast to be mindful of your time, and hope that this isn't causing more mistake and wasting even more of your time. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 01:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Too late, it's been promoted. If you're really insistent on switching the hook, you'll need to ask at WT:DYK. Please remember that Wikipedia is timeless; a fact from May 2020 doesn't really belong in the lead. Yoninah (talk) 01:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for trying. I wrote something there, because I feel it's worth a shot. (Even though I just said I'd accept ALT2...I don't understand my own emotions sometimes. I feel like a little kid who just lost a videogame by half a second and wants to throw the controller, haha. (It's not fair!, I say, to no one in particular, even though it's entirely fair.) Thank you also for your comment regarding WP:DATED, I cleaned it up a little. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 01:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of John R. Countryman
The article John R. Countryman you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:John R. Countryman for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Goldsztajn -- Goldsztajn (talk) 21:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

New message from Narutolovehinata5
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:05, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ginger (1935 film)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)