User talk:Yoshiah ap/Archive 3

RfC on Alberuni
I've noticed you commenting on Alberini's rhetoric in a number of places. You might be interested in this: Requests_for_comment/Alberuni Jayjg 22:32, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Thank You. --Josiah 22:34, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Minor edits
Josiah, if you make a change that was subject to an edit war yesterday (namely, removing the propaganda category from Hasbara), please don't mark it as minor. Thanks. Gadykozma 15:53, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Sorry bout that.--Josiah 15:59, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Your recent comment on Talk:Jew
You wrote: Oh that's right, it's not as if Jihadist (i.e. Pro-Falistine, we can use names intended to insult all we want and see where they get there) haven't been guilty of the same.--Josiah 02:19, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I hope this is just an effort to bait someone. Yes, probably there are a few (very few) pro-Palestinian POV warriors on Wikipedia, but in a year here I haven't encountered a single editor I'd characterize as a "Jihadist": is there someone you have in mind, or is this just a blanket accusation? -- Jmabel | Talk 02:53, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)


 * It is basically baiting. On certain forums I was on, I had gotten tired of a person who refused to mention the word "Israel" and constintely used the word "Zionist" in a demeaning and negative sense, which of course halted any conversations thanks to percieved personal attacks. In a cynical way I was showing Alberuni the same thing, due to his usage of the word "Zionist" in nearly every edit he makes. I was a bit peeved. I don't claim that it was the best thing to do in the circumstances, and I may have to take a temporary break from wikipedia if his personal attacks don't relent.--Josiah 03:14, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Arabic spelling
Not sure how you'd spell your name, but probably &#1610;&#1608;&#1588;&#1575;&#1610;&#1575;&#1607;&#1608;. - Mustafaa 14:38, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks! The Hebrew is &#1497;&#1488;&#1513;&#1497;&#1492;&#1493; (yud-aleph-shin-yud-heh-vav), if that helps.--Josiah 15:10, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * If you spell it like in the hebrew bible your name is &#1610;&#1608;&#1588;&#1610;&#1575;&#1607;&#1608;.
 * Mustafaa writes Yoshayaho. I write Yoshiyaho. --Neria 22:30, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * How would that be spelled in Arabic?--Josiah 23:55, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Considering Arabic habits of cutting off -hu at the end of loaned Hebrew names, I suggest &#1610;&#1608;&#1588;&#1610;&#1575; Y&#363;&#X161;iyy&#257;. Of course, if you want to keep the -hu, I suggest &#1610;&#1608;&#1588;&#1610;&#1575;&#1607;&#1608; Y&#363;&#X161;iyy&#257;h&#363;. - Gilgamesh 00:29, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I suggest &#1610;&#1615;&#1588;&#1610;&#1607;&#1571;
 * With 5 different spellings now, I am uber-confused.--Josiah 00:42, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh, choose mine. :) My two are easy to choose from, depending on whether you want -hu or not. :) - Gilgamesh 01:20, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Mine is more Yeshayahu with the Aleph/hamzah (required for aleph u'), which is as transliterated as it gets.

Yeah, if that's how it's spelled in Hebrew, Neria's sounds right. Of course, like you say, you could make it &#1610;&#1572;&#1588;&#1610;&#1575;&#1607;&#1608;, but it's not like the hamza's pronounced in Hebrew... However, if the name had entered Arabic at an ancient period (pre- or early-Islamic), it would probably have ended up as &#1610;&#1608;&#1587;&#1610;&#1575;&#1569; (Yûsiyyâ') or even &#1610;&#1587;&#1610;&#1575;&#1569; (Yusiyyâ'), by analogy with cases like &#1573;&#1610;&#1604;&#1610;&#1575;&#1569; and &#1610;&#1587;&#1608;&#1593;. - Mustafaa 09:54, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * It may have, from bible translations, but I don't know about common society. How would Neria's be spelled?--Josiah 14:29, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Same as mine. I just realized they are identical. :D So you can choose with -hu or without.  You can replace the &#X161; with sh, and spell &#257;/&#363; as aa/uu or aa/oo. - Gilgamesh 05:39, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * How is that spelled? I can't read, let alone type, arabic letters. I'm not going to try until i'm out of an ulpan, i've learned the hard way of what trying to learn too many languages at once will do a person.--Josiah 01:02, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Long form: &#1610;&#1608;&#1588;&#1610;&#1575;&#1607;&#1608; Y&#363;&#X161;iyy&#257;h&#363;, Yuushiyyaahuu. Short form: &#1610;&#1608;&#1588;&#1610;&#1575; Y&#363;&#X161;iyy&#257;, Yuushiyyaa.

VfD on Zionist Revisionism
Since you changed the name and content, do you still want to delete it? As it is, people can't find the article any more. Jayjg 18:05, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Alberuni moved it back and reverted the changes.--Josiah 20:44, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't think you've listed it on WP:VfD. Until you do so, the user community can't comment. Jayjg 20:55, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I did it right this time.--Josiah 22:47, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Not yet. --Neria 00:02, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Please look at the bottom of WP:VfD for instructions on how to do so. Jayjg 00:54, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I've fixed it for you; you have to follow the instructions exactly for it to work. Jayjg 02:54, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Josiah 07:09, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi Yoshiah
See Talk:Karaite Judaism --Neria 23:54, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

HistoryBuffEr's RFC against Proteus
You might be interested in this: Requests_for_comment/Proteus. Regards, Jayjg 21:40, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Regarding Proposed Project
Aloha. Regarding your comments of interest in countering bias and promoting accuracy in Near East issues, I think a good way to do this is to collect a list of reputable sources that can be used (and linked) for reference. One way of doing this is posting information on Wikisource. For example, look at how some primary sources have been posted to Wikisource Miscellaneous material. As a start, can you think of any public domain references that we can post here? Thanks for your help. Also, see Religious texts for Jewish Wikisource documents, and Historical documents for Wikisource documents on Israel. I'm sure we can expand these sections to include more citations. --Viriditas 04:15, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The question is, can we all decide on what is a reliable source in this conflict? I think deciding on what can be considered a realiable source in it is pivotal to the issue, regardless of which POV you hold.Josiah 16:17, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * P.S. thanks for the info about the religous texts.--Josiah 16:19, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Nahum commentary
I'd be happy to give it a try; if it's in Arabic, that shouldn't be too hard to figure out. - Mustafaa 09:54, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks: Here is some of the text, minus the vowel markings, from a part dealing with Nahum 1:10 -


 * [...] &#1511;&#1493; &#1489;&#1494;&#1493; &#1499;&#1505;&#1507; &#1492;&#1493; &#1511;&#1500;&#1497;&#1500; &#1488;&#1500; &#1506;&#1491;&#1493; &#1508;&#1511;&#1488;&#1500; &#1502;&#1488; &#1491;&#1488;&#1501; &#1488;&#1492;&#1500; Josiah 16:14, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Arabic language (or should I say Judeo-Arabic language?) Can't make out the first couple of words, but "... silver, it is small in number, so he said "as long as the people..." - Mustafaa 19:47, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Probably Judeo-Arabic. Thanks.--Josiah 20:51, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Delete/Redirect
Yoshiah hi.

Delete or Redirect is not quite the same as Redirect or Delete. In (currently hypothetical) cases there is sufficient votes for either delete or redirect, which one is performed should be done by examining which was most voters' first choice. Even though this does not seem relevant to the current VfD, maybe it will be better to split nonetheless, just to stress that we do care what was peoples' first choice. Gadykozma 10:10, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Ok.--Josiah 17:52, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Private message
Yoshi, I just sent you an email. Please check it. - Gilgamesh 16:52, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Done, but by the time I was checking my email you seemed to have it figured out :D--Josiah 17:53, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Deletion policy
Regarding our brief exchange on VfD policy, you might be interested in this discussion between HistoryBuffEr and Cecropia. Let me know what you think. --Viriditas 04:36, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Josiah 17:28, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

News links
Thanks for the Iman al-Hams news links - that really clarified the issue. - Mustafaa 18:04, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * NP. I would have gotten to the issue of what was really meant, but I was tired. --Josiah 23:39, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dore Gold article
I think Mustafaa has come up with a very reasonable compromise, please let's just work to defend rather than changing it. Jayjg 17:25, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorists
See Categories_for_deletion IZAK 10:09, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Deletion policy
Josiah hi. Please don't edit war with HB on Deletion policy. The page can stay without this text for a while &mdash; this will not affect VfD decisions immidiately anyway, since the text really is only a clarification. After his removal of the text a few others remarked that it required more discussion, so let's use the proper channels. This has its advantages too, actually. Gady 18:33, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dore Gold
Michael Snow has protected Blankfaze's version of the Dore Gold page, while the consensus on the talk page is in opposition to this version. Please see my comments on this issue.--Viriditas 12:56, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration voting
For your information, only members of the arbitration committee are allowed to vote on whether or not to take a case. &rarr;Raul654 21:40, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was unaware of this.--Josiah 21:42, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * If it's accepted for arbitration, then you can comment on the case, and add evidence to the evidence page. Jayjg 02:23, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)